| IVOD_ID |
162025 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162025 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:24:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:33:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f244b7c6460d8989d71d126c33bcaff1fd1a3426710e0a50eed11da5eb25df386f15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:24:41 - 11:33:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案。） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請秘書長好,請秘書長方委員好秘書長好,我今天早上在隔壁的交通委員會問問CC的代理主有一個問題,他沒辦法回答他說他不是他的全責範圍因為去年,周鴻泰說11月19號,你看一下 |
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他說我們希望在12月以後通傳會能夠有新的名單出來那去年年底是沒有提出來了今年4月說希望月底以前能夠提出來還是沒有提出來5月2號說人選已經確定可能下週公布名單今天已經5月幾號了所以現在行政院新的主委名單什麼時候要送來 |
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包委員我想我可以跟院長轉達就是說所以除了他以外也沒有人可以回答這個問題嗎?是不是?對啊,卓榮泰剛好總諮詢的時候答應大家事業底要送來總諮詢結束以後人不用來立法院講話不算話 |
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一個行政院院長可以講話不算話到這種程度喔立法委員也問不到他NCC代理主委很無奈秘書長也很無奈大家都很無奈整個國家沒有人拿卓榮泰有辦法所以你今天的立場就是回去轉達給卓榮泰 |
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好 希望今天左榮泰看是不是責成行政院發一個新聞稿講話不算話一而再再而三跳票跳票成這個樣子也問不到他本人大家都拿他沒辦法現在左榮泰是覺得自己是太上皇是不是愛怎麼幹就怎麼幹第二個問題 |
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之前行政院送來立法院審議的NCC主委加委員總共四個人嘛主委因為NCC組織法的修正已經不合格了剩下的三個人行政院也要撤回名單嗎我問過議事處了 到目前為止沒有撤回但是我現在有點看不懂總統他說他要提出一個新的名單出來 |
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聽起來好像不是只有主委但舊的名單也還沒有撤回去所以現在行政院送到本院來請求本院審議的那份名單除了主委已經喪失法定資格以外另外三位行政院現在的立場是什麼希望立法院處理希望的話我就請交通委員會排案了 |
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不希望的話什麼時候會名單要撤回去還是你也不知道對我實際狀況我是不知道但是據我了解應該會更替 |
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那如果要更替的話行政院負責任一點好不好先把這個名單撤回去嘛我會轉到該撤不撤放在立法院裡面如果連行政院秘書長都搞不清楚狀況的話那全中華民國沒有幾個人搞得清楚狀況只有一個人搞得清楚狀況就是一而再再而三跳票的卓榮燙 |
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今天委員啊大家關心的另外一個事情啊喔對我再插一句話行政院委員要撤回動作要快意思表示要清楚否則的話我要請交通委員會開始排案了直接公聽會排下去三位沒有撤回名單的請來立法院這三位有沒有跟行政院院長表達詞意還是你也不知道這個我不知道你也不知道 |
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好來 下一個事情就看你知不知道了今天非常多委員關心的事情我們在通山對象是中央各機關及其所屬地方補助款一毛都沒有刪地方補助款按照你們行政院自己發函給立法院的這是法定義務支出 |
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卓文泰是什么时候决定他要去删地方补助款的这个你知不知道他什么时候决定的这个是主计总署他们想了各种各种的方法以后所以是主计总署的主计长建议的是吗什么时候提出这个建议主计总署送上来的没有错什么时候送上来的我具体的讲啦今天这么多委员 |
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提出質詢卓榮泰違法濫權之處已經非常清楚了接下來要進行責任追究的部分那既然是要進行責任追究的部分誰做這個決策誰要負責嘛主席總署什麼時候提這個主意給行政院的 |
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這個你也不知道嗎那我要回去查一下你要回去查一下書面回覆可以嗎可以好 第一個主席總署什麼時候上文給行政院 |
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建議這樣子做請行政院書面回覆而且連主計總署上的文一併提供可以嗎我來瞭解一下可以提供嗎要問一下主計總署我再瞭解一下這應該不是什麼國家機密吧第二個主計總署上來了以後左榮泰什麼時候決定要對地方的一般補助款這個法定義務支出動手的什麼時候做的決定 |
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我剛剛提到這個我沒有了解 我要回去了解OK 沒關係啦 今天行政院秘書長來我問了幾個都是行政院執掌相關的事項啦那顯然連秘書長對於行政院院長做了很多決策相關的時間點也沒有辦法充分的了解 這沒關係會後提供就好了 |
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最後一個問題本院如果通過決議要求你們更正這個違法的狀況把該給地方政府的一般補助款補足行政院會不會遵守立法院的決議還是行政院打算我就是要硬幹到底你立法院做什麼決議我行政院也沒有要鳥你們如果立法院做這個決議行政院會不會遵守 |
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我們現在的做法就是遵照立法院總預算的三讀的決議在辦理錯你現在的做法完全不是按照立法院總預算三讀的決議來辦理你去對一下啦113年中央政府總預算案通過的通案的決議跟114年通案的決議你就會清楚看得出來嘛 |
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113年通案的決議還有刪給地方政府的補助114年的決議一個字都沒提到而且明確的就講中央各機關及其所屬行政院 |
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行政院要繼續凹那個是行政院的事情我現在只問一個簡單的問題本院如果做出了決議要求你們把違法苛扣還給地方政府的一般補助款補足行政院會不會遵守還是你也不知道要回去請示著龍派我沒有辦法表示說這個還沒有發生的事情還沒有辦法表示我只講一個基本的原則 |
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如果台灣還是憲政民主的國家如果台灣還是憲政民主的國家當國會做了這樣的決議的時候請行政院請行政院尊重國會的決議改正你們過去的錯誤也拜託秘書長把今天在這邊聽到各個委員質詢強烈的意見帶回去給卓榮泰可以嗎 |
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好 謝謝 |
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黃委員國昌：（11時24分）謝謝主席，麻煩有請秘書長。 |
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主席：請秘書長。 |
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龔秘書長明鑫：黃委員好。 |
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黃委員國昌：秘書長好。我今天早上在隔壁的交通委員會問NCC的代理主委一個問題，他沒辦法回答，他說不是他的權責範圍，因為去年卓榮泰說，你看一下簡報，11月19日他說希望在12月以後通傳會能夠有新的名單出來，去年年底是沒有提出來啦！今年4月說希望月底以前能夠提出來，還是沒有提出來。5月2日說人選已經確定，可能在下週公布名單，今天已經5月幾日了？所以現在行政院新的主委名單什麼時候要送來？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，我想我可以跟院長轉達…… |
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黃委員國昌：表達。 |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對，就是說立法院有這樣的關心啦！ |
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黃委員國昌：所以除了他以外，也沒有人可以回答這個問題嘛！是不是？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對，因為名單…… |
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黃委員國昌：對啊！卓榮泰剛好在總質詢的時候答應大家4月底要送來，總質詢結束以後，人不用來立法院，講話不算話，一個行政院院長可以講話不算話到這種程度哦？立法委員也問不到他，NCC代理主委很無奈、秘書長也很無奈、大家都很無奈，整個國家沒有人拿卓榮泰有辦法！所以你今天的立場就是回去轉達給卓榮泰？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，希望今天卓榮泰看是不是責成行政院發一個新聞稿，講話不算話啊！一而再、再而三跳票啊！跳票成這個樣子，也問不到他本人，大家都拿他沒辦法，現在卓榮泰覺得自己是太上皇是不是？愛怎麼幹就怎麼幹！ |
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第二個問題，之前行政院送來立法院審議的NCC主委加委員總共4個人嘛！主委因為NCC組織法的修正已經不合格了，剩下的3個人，行政院有要撤回名單嗎？我問過議事處了，到目前為止沒有撤回，但是我現在有點看不懂，卓榮泰說他要提出一個新的名單，聽起來好像不是只有主委，但舊的名單也還沒有撤回去，所以現在行政院送到本院來，請求本院審議的那一份名單，除了主委已經喪失法定資格以外，對於另外3位，行政院現在的立場是什麼？希不希望立法院處理？希望的話，我就請交通委員會排案了，不希望的話，什麼時候名單要撤回去？還是你也不知道？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對，實際狀況我是不知道，但是據我瞭解，應該會更替。 |
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黃委員國昌：如果要更替的話，行政院負責任一點好不好？先把這份名單撤回去嘛！ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：好，我會轉達。 |
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黃委員國昌：該撤不撤，放在立法院裡面，如果連行政院秘書長都搞不清楚狀況的話，那全中華民國沒有幾個人搞得清楚狀況，只有一個人搞得清楚狀況，就是一而再、再而三跳票的卓榮泰。 |
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今天大家關心的另外一件事情，對了，我再插一句話，行政院如果要撤回，動作要快，意思表示要清楚，否則的話，我要請交通委員會開始排案了，直接公聽會排下去，3位沒有撤回名單的請來立法院，這3位有沒有向行政院院長表達辭意？還是你也不知道？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：這個我不知道。 |
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黃委員國昌：你也不知道。 |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，下一件事情就看你知不知道了，今天非常多委員關心的事情，我們在通刪，對象是中央各機關及其所屬，地方補助款一毛都沒有刪，地方補助款按照你們行政院自己發函給立法院的，這是法定義務支出耶！卓榮泰是什麼時候決定他要去刪地方補助款的？這個你知不知道？他什麼時候決定的？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：沒有，這個是主計總處他們想了各種各種的方法以後…… |
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黃委員國昌：所以是主計總處主計長建議的，是嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對。 |
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黃委員國昌：什麼時候提出這個建議？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：主計總處送上來的，沒有錯。 |
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黃委員國昌：什麼時候送上來的？我具體地講啦！今天這麼多委員提出質詢，卓榮泰違法濫權之處已經非常清楚了，接下來要進行責任追究的部分，既然是要進行責任追究的部分，誰作這個決策誰要負責嘛！主計總處什麼時候提這個主意給行政院的？這個你也不知道嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：我要回去查一下。 |
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黃委員國昌：你要回去查一下，書面回復可以嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：可以。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，第一個，主計總處什麼時候上文給行政院建議這樣子做，請行政院書面回復，而且連主計總處上的文一併提供，可以嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：好，我來瞭解一下。 |
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黃委員國昌：可以提供嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：要問一下主計總處，我再瞭解一下。 |
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黃委員國昌：這應該不是什麼國家機密吧？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：對。 |
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黃委員國昌：第二個，主計總處上文了以後，卓榮泰什麼時候決定要對地方的一般補助款，這個法定義務支出動手的？什麼時候作的決定？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：我剛剛提到了，這個我沒有瞭解，我要回去瞭解。 |
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黃委員國昌：OK，沒關係啦！今天行政院秘書長來，我問了幾個都是行政院執掌相關的事項，顯然連秘書長對於行政院院長作的很多決策，相關的時間點也沒有辦法充分地瞭解，這沒有關係，會後提供就好了。 |
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最後一個問題，本院如果通過決議，要求你們更正這個違法的狀況，把該給地方政府的一般補助款補足，行政院會不會遵守立法院的決議？還是行政院打算就是要硬幹到底，立法院作什麼決議，行政院也沒有要鳥你們？如果立法院作了這個決議，行政院會不會遵守？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，我們現在的作法就是遵照立法院總預算三讀的決議在辦理。 |
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黃委員國昌：錯！你現在的作法完全不是按照立法院總預算三讀的決議來辦理，你去對一下113年中央政府總預算案通案的決議跟114年通案的決議，你就會清楚看得出來嘛！113年通案的決議還有刪給地方政府的補助，114年的決議一個字都沒提到，而且明確地就講中央各機關及其所屬，行政院要繼續拗，那個是行政院的事情。我現在只問一個簡單的問題，本院如果作出了決議，要求你們把違法剋扣還給地方政府的一般補助款補足，行政院會不會遵守？還是你也不知道，要回去請示卓榮泰？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：我沒有辦法表示，這是還沒有發生的事情。 |
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黃委員國昌：還沒有辦法表示哦？我只講一個基本的原則，如果臺灣還是憲政民主的國家，當國會作了這樣的決議的時候，請行政院尊重國會的決議，改正你們過去的錯誤，也拜託秘書長把今天在這邊聽到各個委員質詢的強烈意見帶回去給卓榮泰，可以嗎？ |
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龔秘書長明鑫：好，可以。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：請翁曉玲委員。 |
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140 |
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委員會-11-3-15-22 |
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張宏陸 |
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麥玉珍 |
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李柏毅 |
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高金素梅 |
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黃捷 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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王美惠 |
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張智倫 |
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丁學忠 |
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許宇甄 |
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吳琪銘 |
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牛煦庭 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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黃國昌 |
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翁曉玲 |
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張啓楷 |
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張雅琳 |
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王鴻薇 |
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91 |
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2025-05-28 |
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1145401 |
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1145401_00004 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案 |
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1145401_00003 |