| IVOD_ID |
162023 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162023 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:05:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:15:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f244dfaeda9ae00338dd126c33bcaff1fd1a3426710e0a50eedadd9719833d2fe3a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:34 - 11:15:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算解凍案。） |
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好 謝謝主席 本席有請龔秘書長好 請秘書長 |
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前面有兩位委員有提到去年內政委員會的會議本席想要在這裡特別說明秘書長你覺得會議狀態不明或怎麼樣我想那一天是誰杯葛執政黨的委員杯葛整個的議事程序 |
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然後搞不清楚的也是執政黨的行政院秘書長所以我們在這裡很遺憾執政黨又要背個會議然後又不來備詢但是今天本席的質詢內容沒有這個我只是在一開始我先針對這個來講首先今天我們想跟秘書長來就教 |
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現在當然大家都對於我們這個一般性補助款2501億呢對各直轄市政府或縣市政府的這個補助款首先本席請教你這2501億在去年審查114年總預算的時候它有被立法院刪減嗎有沒有任何一個立委提議刪減這個 有沒有 |
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並沒有沒有 對原因是什麼本席跟大家說因為我們行政院應該這應該是主計總署提出來的114年度中央政府總預算編列一法律義務支出明細表 |
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所以呢 各位 這個2,501億 對地方政府的一般性補助款他是不能刪減的 立法院都不能刪減 行政院也不能任意刪減那什麼情況下可以刪減 這個有辦法 有規定 |
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那個秘書長我想您應該知道中央政府給予地方政府的一般性補助款金額不得少於修正實施前一年度的預算編列數那得三減補助款的情形是採正面表列 |
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也就是第四條違反限制規定第五條執行效能執行情形開源節流的績效以及第六條拒絕提供補助經費之用還有第十二條有依法得徵收之裁員而不徵收等都是具體明確的地方政府有違施的情形 |
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行政院才可以來不予補助或是刪減補助款所以這個目前我們看到立法院依法行政立法院不能刪減的我們沒有一個委員刪減但是行政院卻把應該要通案刪減的636億 |
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只用在全部就應該要在各部會分攤這636億通案刪減是要在行政院各部會去分攤的但是行政院的決定就是只針對地方政府報復民眾懲罰民眾本席在這邊要請教秘書長這個決策是誰決定的誰決定的 |
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奧委員中央政府對於地方政府的支持是一定的否則我們不會不用編了兩千五百億請不要浪費我時間我時間已經沒了請問這個把這個法定的支出不得刪減除了它有違規的情況但是現在行政院卻把這六百三十六億要在各部會分攤的全部用在這 |
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只分攤在地方政府的這個一般性補助款本席想請教這到底是誰的決策其他的中央政府已經被刪減了一千四百多億而且是在大院的這個我想請教我請教您的就是是誰決定把這六百三十六億就用在這個兩千五百零一億的一般性補助款是誰決定是卓榮泰院長還是賴清德總統 |
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是誰決定的他會提出可能的一些救濟的方法所以是主計總署之前對立法院在去年告訴我們這個是法定義務之初絕對不能刪減所以你說是主計總署 |
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主計長 主計長建議的嗎好 沒關係我現在確定是誰決定的主計總署也是提議吧主計總署跟我們講不能刪結果跟行政院來提議要刪減 |
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哇我們的政府可以這樣子違法亂紀違規沒有如果沒有那個636億的這個空白刪除的話就不會發生這樣的情況636億這一塊他本來過去也都有通案刪減 |
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就是要行政院來立法院大家一起協調或是行政院你應該各部會刪減你不做你全部加諸在民眾然後呢影響我們人民的通案刪減是939億我們行政院也沒有發表所以現在是 |
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主計總署跟行政院提案 那誰最後決策嘛誰最後拍板定案的嘛 卓院長嗎不敢講 卓院長所以主計總署 這個主計長很有問題對立法院不能刪的 行政院來刪而且違反自己訂出來的規定那所以現在這個一般性補助款 |
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2501億呢就要轉嫁到地方影響了我們學童的交通老人家的生活我們托育的照顧我們長照的照顧公共的醫療消防建設文化活動等等等所以全部都加租到地方那本席最後要再詢問我們秘書長今年通過的總預算是不是歷史新高 |
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歷史由始以來最高的嘛對結果通過的預算歷史新高再告訴我們至愛難行ok至愛難行的部分你當初的因為這個各部會他的這個溝通我們沒辦法管到那麼細但是我們希望未來很多東西你要加強溝通很多沒有溝通啊好那 |
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接著最後本席要說我們這個 |
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整個的通案刪減636億如果在中央各部會來分攤的話大概佔我們中央政府總預算2%左右就2%那就像一個大水庫你大水庫理論你這樣子分攤可是結果我們的行政院竟然就是轉嫁到地方轉嫁到地方結果造成地方20幾%的一個衝擊 |
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所以我們不希望我們的政府治理 中央執政不要情緒失控 人有情緒失控所以會有錯誤的言行但是不要因為這個我們合理的刪減希望不要浮邊爛邊嘛還有很多績效不好的我們稍微遵截經費 結果不高興 結果 |
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這個中央政府整個情緒失控拿民眾開刀拿民眾當肉票這種報復行為不行最後最後本席請教這個有沒有可能收回陳敏的可能 |
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因為現在按照刪讀的決議這個636億是一定要刪我們提出的互議也沒有通過636億你們各部會去分攤嘛各部會有很多的經費去分攤各部會已經被刪除掉了1400多億了你參考一下去年的預算 |
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對不對今天你比去年還多出兩千億所以你參考一下去年的預算如果其他的部分可以刪減的部分在大院在審議的過程幾千個提案就會被刪掉所以反正現在整個社會要了解這個是行政院一意孤行的結果 |
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一意孤行然後專門拿民眾開刀拿民眾當肉票這一塊其實我想這個社會自由公論好 謝謝 |