| IVOD_ID |
162007 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/162007 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:35:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:49:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f2400bd0af47fcb69771b5ee1b3bf308d2e87f2bf784d93fc30b39433cafc38c7155ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:42 - 11:49:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
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謝謝主席 我們請部長陳部長 |
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部長我想在討論這個農民退休儲金條例之前我想我們還是要review一下就是說其實從蔡英文總統她一直大力推動的各項保障農民的政策其實從我們就是三保一金我們的健康保險還有農業保險還有植栽保險還有農民退休儲金三保一金 |
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這是我們從過去農委會然後到農業部陳其仲主委一直到陳巨基部長我們在努力的所以我覺得今天如果我們常在說哇我們要來修正農民退休處境好像民進黨沒在做事錯了 |
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我們這個三保一經我們努力很久我覺得我們應該把這個前提跟大家說也因為有我們當時候的1比1的補助所以才有今天大家在討論覆蓋率的問題要1比1.5所以我認為說我們都要把前提講清楚否則農民會忘記 |
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會忘記所以其實我們這一次覆蓋率我們在討論覆蓋率覆蓋率不足不到五成所以大家認為說這應該是這個對比補貼的問題如果有更多的誘因可以讓我們的政府補貼升到1.5倍民眾的誘因會更高我們農民的誘因會更高所以才有這樣的一個討論的依據 |
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所以我認為說其實我們努力那麼久從三保一經過去根本不可能過去根本不可能啦我們的健康保險然後再來農業保險然後再植栽保險過去我們的農民看到勞工他有植栽我們農民在大陸會卡 |
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然後送醫都沒有辦法有所謂的植栽可是現在可以了然後還有我們有一些農作物現在只要保險在我們的這個農損的部分有相對應這個過去也沒有然後還有我們農民的健康保險所以其實我們一直在說的 |
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我們希望農民更好因為農民很辛苦看天吃飯 |
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我都不希望說農民為了我們這個土地做這些事情但是永遠被遺忘的一群可是在蔡英文政府上任之後一直到現在賴清德總統我相信我們沒有忘記這個區塊我們也一直在做只是我們的速度好像跟不上他們的期待那這個就問題來了 |
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我們要怎麼做才能讓他們能夠符合他們的需求好 我們現在來談農民退休儲金 |
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1對1跟1對1比51.5這樣的部分就是說我們的政府補貼是1.5還是1相對補貼這個我們到底增加多少錢現在是15.5億增加15.5億就增加15.5億那15.5億我們預計可以增加多少覆蓋率 |
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沒有 我們15.5億是現在已經在提繳的因為現在已經在提繳的 我們要對等增加嘛對 好 那現在15.5億 那如果我們增加到1.5倍 |
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那增加多少可能再增加8億左右增加8億那預計增加8億會有多少增加的覆蓋率我們應該這麼講從老保65歲以下而且是合格的人如果都保的話是22.3萬人 |
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那現在是將近10萬9萬多9萬2千多人是15億嘛所以如果22萬都保的時候那增加的就是大概將近35億左右所以 |
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你認為如果說全部都保進來是要增加35億是用我們1.5這樣的一個對等要增加35億那你認為我們提高了1.5有可能全部都進來嗎應該不會不會那預計可以增加多少我們在退休除菁我們有階段性目標我們希望說 |
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這在117、118年能夠達到60%到65%那如果說現在1.5%如果說是成案的話我們希望預期是至少可以到70%到80%所以你們不反對嗎我們從來沒有反對說這樣的方式不好 |
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對那現在有什麼爭議我們現在考慮的你們都不認為是不對的你們都不認為說這個部分不好而且是確實可以提高覆蓋率我想我們怎麼樣怎麼樣的提高政策的導入政策的誘因委員提的版本是1比1.5這是一個方式那我們也有另外想到一個方式就是總而不變之下我們的負擔多一點如果100 100都講100 |
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然後以後他繳80我們繳120好那你提的政策增加多少預算那個大概6億6億跟8億會差很多嗎那哪一個效率會更多現在的15.5億大概差一半 |
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那另外我們希望說不一定是二選一啦可能是可以合在一起部長好啦你們行政院農業部你們有方案那請問你們有提出嗎還在討論還在檢討 |
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我們已經跟院長室那邊約時間了我們會先跟院長做專案報告如果方向確定的時候我們就會立即提出我們的版本那這個版本完了以後會經過包括因為這需要額外的經費嘛還要主計總處還要其他的單位去表示意見所以你們的版本大概是增加5億 |
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不是 我們的版本有幾個一個就是委員的版本也許可以跟我們的版本做某個程度的融合啦那這個融合可能要經過行政院這邊初步的支持我們才能夠精算下去 |
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所以你認為這是可以有調和版的對不對行政院有調和版那有一個調和版也可以增加我們的覆蓋率我們117年118年到達了60%到65%這樣的標準是不是調和版也是可以而且經費不用有那麼多的壓力是這樣嗎 |
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是 因為以15.5億來講齁其實比起其他的重大建設 它的金額並不大啦齁 但是你講到重點了真的 部長你講到重點了今天 如果我們今天一億兩億在這邊論農民心在糖血啦是 他說齁 你一個大型建設 幾百億都在做啊啊你對我農民 你是一億兩億 讓我在那裡斤斤計較 |
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這個其實是一個痛所以如果今天 |
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我們站在執政的角度 我覺得我們就把它很清楚的講出來我們要到達117年 118年的60%到65%的覆蓋率我們要提出什麼樣的政策 大聲講出來不是真的問題是農民可以有信心嗎 農民有要加入我們這個農民退休儲金嗎我們有辦法達到讓他們安心嗎 |
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是這個目標不是一億兩億三億四億這樣的問題而是要有一個完整的制度讓他們安心這才是最重要今天有很多是因為不安心否則為什麼農民退休儲金是比以前更好 |
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以前沒有撥補啊以前沒有啊那是在蔡英文總統的時候我們提了這個農民退休儲金的制度有了撥補好那應該大家會一窩蜂想要進來可是為什麼還是覆蓋率沒有到達 |
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過五成的部分 我們就要去想原因沒安心了所以當你要再提出版本 要做調和版你一定要有一個原則安心好 那現在這個版本什麼時候要提出 |
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我想我們應該在順利的話應該在這個禮拜可以跟行政院做報告這個禮拜會跟行政院做報告然後報告以後如果說我們的想法是被支持的時候還是說需要調整我們可能也會立刻的去做調整然後再重新抱怨 |
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所以我們的目標就是下個會期會送進來下個會期就是農民退休儲金制度的修正版我們也希望說連老農津貼的修正牌付的東西也一併送進來因為他不能單獨看這兩個要一起來看這個就是我要問你第二個問題今天這個牌付的部分 |
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之前部長一直把他綁在八大福利津貼 |
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這個是不是我把我們我們提出我們的版本是那現在我要問你的是現在你說的我們要一併討論我們現在可以排除跟他們脫鉤嗎對我們可以嗎我們我以農業部來講我們希望脫鉤當然當然我們希望脫鉤嘛但是我現在問你有沒有辦法脫鉤沒有那那不是要行政院要決定啊 |
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因為不是我能決定我的希望說所以那你要你在這個禮拜跟行政院長談的時候你要一併談啊因為這兩個本來都是農民最重要的這是我們一向的立場就是說因為農民有他的特殊的產業所以我們希望說能夠適度的脫鉤啊但是 |
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那你要一併談啊所以在這個老農今天你之前一直說你都支持你都支持可是因為他永遠把我們綁在八大社福津貼嘛好那既然現在要談我們農民退休儲金制度這本來就要一起談啊老農今天本來就要一起談啊在我們的排富的部分嘛那你要跟院長說這兩個要一起讓農民安心 |
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這農民安心才能真正達到我們調和板的一個處理的機制好不好部長 你在這一次就是在整個排富條款一定要把那個整個拉高否則這個已經完全讓老農沒有辦法去認同我們政府說現在還有爸爸親親在在就有爸爸了 大家也把你排除掉是不是 部長好不好 |
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可不可以啦我立場表達得非常清楚我們希望能夠幹流助理就是這個禮拜嘛 你就說是我們我們壓力的嘛 我們逼你的嘛沒錯 那你要去跟院長報告啊你在這個禮拜的報告是兩個一起提出來報告並行因為這是我們老農非常重要的一個依據我們農民非常重要的依據所以兩個一起跟行政院長報告你說這是 |
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我們的委員在經濟委員會要求的然後跟院長報告看怎麼處理我們一定要一次而且那個差太多了所以拜託有而且喔如果由你來做發動不一定因為我們腦農今天的解掉 |
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排富的解掉 會帶動八大福利 其他的七大福利基金 今天也解掉了這樣直接做工程 你知道嗎 部長這個禮拜喔 兩個一起報告結果怎麼樣 我們隨時要知道看到底是你們的問題 還是院長的問題嘛這樣我們就知道 要去找誰說啊要不然我們現在也不知道原因在哪裡 |
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那我們每次提案就說 喔 還一下 要討論 要討論可是我們回去對農民來講 都沒辦法交代再拜託部長 這個禮拜就是我們的農民退休儲金制度我們的調和板 要怎麼讓我們的覆蓋率可以達到117年 118年我們的60%到65%然後我們的老農津貼 我們的排付條款一定要解掉 |
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不能在這500萬一定要解掉要以現在的比例甚至每年都要做檢討我們的整個物調太快了嘛這個物調太快了 農民沒有辦法接受啦所以這個再拜託我們的部長 謝謝好 謝謝 |