| IVOD_ID |
161993 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161993 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T11:08:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T11:18:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f246432d4160565eeb0e795f59f7b69f6ae87f2bf784d93fc30444a855be115db145ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:27 - 11:18:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算決議有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案64案(含報告事項51案及討論事項13案)。
二、審查
（一）行政院函請審議「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（二）委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（三）委員何欣純等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（四）委員王育敏等24人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（五）委員邱若華等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（六）委員黃捷等21人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（七）委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（八）委員李坤城等22人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（九）委員陳培瑜等19人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十）委員郭昱晴等21人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十一）委員陳素月等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十二）委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十三）委員王美惠等19人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十四）委員林淑芬等25人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十五）委員王正旭等18人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
（十六）委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案。
三、
（一）繼續審查委員王育敏等18人擬具「病人自主權利法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）繼續審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「病人自主權利法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）繼續審查委員邱志偉等19人擬具「病人自主權利法第八條、第九條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「病人自主權利法第九條條文修正草案」案。
（五）審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「病人自主權利法增訂第十六條之一條文草案」案。
【第一案及第二案，綜合詢答】
【二、第（一）、（六）及（七）案，如經復議則不予審查；第（八）至（十六）案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【三、（四）及（五）案，如經復議，則不予審查】
【5月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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接下來請邱政軍委員來做選擇來請各位回座主席好我們請邱部長來請部長部長好我想請問部長社會福利 |
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我們包含兒少福利、婦女福利、老人福利、身心障礙福利、保護福利、社會救助、社會保險政府每年在重視社會福利,說要把資源留給需要的人,要建立完善的長照制度不能讓最需要的人被落下,對吧?那如果這些社會福利錢不夠的時候,你覺得要先哪一個? |
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我想每一個面向都需要,我們會當然都要顧及,每一個都是重要的,剛剛委員提的都是重要的我這樣講,這是衛福部主要推動的政策,那在執行面向是不是要靠地方政府來執行,然後相互合作? |
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我想中央跟地方相互合作當然是很重要的事情對啦 那今年我們衛福部在預算刪減後大概增加了300億那行政院整體預算刪完之後還增加了729億但是現在依法原本應該給地方的一般性補助款這個2502億其中的636億被行政院放回自己的金庫裡面 |
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那也就是說行政院手上多了1365億元相較之下苗栗縣一年的預算大概是270億元左右行政院這次違法刪減地方的一般性補助款達27%這等於直接讓苗栗的整體預算少了28.1億元 |
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那這麼大的刪減那衝擊地方政府的執行我想也包含了長照老人福利及公共衛生等基層服務的能力這不僅是苗栗的問題我想全台灣都會發生那我當然知道這是行政院這邊來刪減的那但是這個部分也牽扯到我們衛福部的一些業務那部長你有什麼看法好我想 |
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委員應該也可以了解到我們這些年來,在行政部門跟立法部門的一起共同的努力之下對於我們的弱勢,剛剛有提到的一些老人、心臟等等的各方面 |
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都做了最大的 尤其像小孩我們現在也很理 怎麼樣做更好對 這些都是基本做的 都是很要做的事情中央這樣刪減 地方沒辦法做怎麼辦有些地方他是直接用電付 他們自己有錢他不夠的就去借錢嘛因為財政是 國家是一體的嘛那這邊如果 |
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在某些法律之下分的比較多可能未來他就要擔任比較多的工作我想這個部分政府會考量考量到整個就是橫平性拿多少資源就做多少事但是總是大家是一家人意思是說錢不夠的話其他的就是可以不要做就對了 |
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那個 |
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還是要那個 該做的還是要做那財源 我們過去的財源不管你是在這根本是一般的補償款嘛這根本是找計畫的啊 不會比較多到地方不管是法律的改變讓那個財源有轉移到地方 那地方當然就要現在就是沒有錢啊 現在沒有轉移過來嘛 現在就是錢不夠啊 |
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像這些都會影響到部長您認為你的業務裡面有沒有其他部分會受到影響影響的話怎麼處理錢又不夠像苗栗縣沒有錢他必須連舉債都不行這部分要停還是衛福部派人來執行 |
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那個因為我們原來就有中央要該做的跟地方該做的那原來在預算方面就有一定的分配那後來預算的一個分配一般性補助款是地方來做中央委託地方做嘛對不對那因為你現在錢不給他了他沒辦法執行啊 |
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那個是也不能取債啊你要怎麼樣停下來全部停下來非常感謝委員的那個關心啦我想這個就成如剛剛部長說這方地方我們都是一體嘛都是為人民來做事嘛但我現在必須要澄清一點就是說並我想這個主要應該是緩發啦而且另外一個很重要的重點就是說我們現在目前一般補助款雖然現在目前就這樣處理可是地方到地方現在目前還是可以根據施政的這個優先順序來做來做這個相關的一個調整問題就是錢不夠啊怎麼優先啊 |
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後面怎麼做你說緩發他怎麼緩發 |
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還是你要借我這個地方政府都有自己本身的優先順序跟權責我想這個自己本身都可以來做調配那你衛福部的立場你覺得哪個要先做哪個先不做這個我們尊重地方地方自己本身相關的一個處置所以你是說你剛剛講的那些項目都可以減就對了你衛福部支持做不發就對了 |
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不是,報告委員,我剛剛已經說了,這個整個一般補助款,這個現在基本上就是...來,先...公務員報告,那目前在衛福部的主管的社會福利的預算的部分,那有關在給到地方...我覺得沒那麼多時間,你也不要解釋啦你也不要解釋,我結論一下啦,就是說我請衛福部啦,因為我們剛剛講的這些都非常重要啦 |
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像這一般性補助款如果受到影響的這個縣市我希望衛福部您應該要拿出您專業的意見跟我們行政院這邊來幫地方來反映不要讓這些事情沒有辦法去執行我想這是我今天要問的重點我們這個事情就到這邊部長可以嗎 |
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因為我們現在 你要體恤一下我們地方執行的困難啦當然當然 過去政府一直就是非常重視希望部長把這個聲音帶到行政院這樣可以嗎我想過去政府就一直很重視我們尤其是偏鄉或者比較弱縣市比較經費比較有限的一個社會福利我相信政府這些年來的努力大家都看得到啦那如果是政府的 |
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預算被核三或相當凍結那當然就是可能會做一些調配但是我想政府對於各縣市的一個社會福利的努力一定會希望部長能夠了解我們民間疾苦有這個部分跟行政院反映一下因為有些東西真的是不能停好不好是我們一起來努力好謝謝一起來努力那部長先請回一下您休息一下那我請這個各自會的代表各自有來嗎 |
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來部長請回今天不是有來嗎?有,來林組長個人資料保護委員會籌備處林組長 |
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你好我請問一下我們教育部這個葉秉成次長他不是法定可接觸個資者的身份那確認取得性平安的個資並公開在社群裡面那媒體上評論這個事件你們個資這個保護人員會掌握的嗎這個部分我們新聞上有看到所以你只是看新聞那現在你們的態度是什麼 |
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我們立場的話基本上個資法保護的是所有台灣民眾的個人資料這個算不算嘛他為什麼可以拿到這個個資呢他的資料來源的話那當然是要看那個看當事人他取得的方式啦這是不是一起涉及公務機關內部未經授權流用敏感資料的個資保護的一個重大案件應該算吧 |
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522.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
550.638 |
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基本上資料的收集的話都會有所謂的合法室友那教育部有沒有主動通訪你們這部分我們可能要回去再瞭解一下所以你們什麼都不知道對不對那各支會有沒有主動啟動調查這我們回去再瞭解一下因為這個基本上公務機關收集資料的話這是你們的業務嗎還是你們這個事情說只是酬庸的部門什麼事都不用做 |
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552.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
559.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
沒有 這個我們會去了解這個案子已經出現那麼多天了耶你們怎麼到現在都沒有反應呢就當作沒有人講就算了 就當作看不見然後自然飄過如果是個人他洩漏資料的部分的話這個有相關的一些可能會有相關的法律有規定相關的法律証明那我在這邊要求啦 你們要主動調查而且公開結果好不好 |
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581.172 |
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604.164 |
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可以嗎這我們了解了解是什麼意思這我們會回去再去處理主動處理嘛對不對那該送法辦還是要法辦啊對不對你們報告要提出來好不好因為時間的問題我不想浪費太多時間可以嗎好謝謝委員好謝謝 |