| IVOD_ID |
161975 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161975 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T10:04:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T10:16:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f248ecbbbfb4b931a53b893ac8d10b5d33db291a8f6a096732cb70c920121590e455ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:54 - 10:16:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：處理114年度中央政府總預算有關教育部主管預算解凍案33案。） |
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好 謝謝代理主席有請教育部鄭英耀部長好 有請部長委員好部長請問您對國家忠誠嗎您有申請持用中國大陸居住證嗎跟委員報告我應該沒有 |
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應該沒有再問一次 部長 請問您對國家忠誠嗎您有申領持用中國大陸居住證嗎我對國家一定是忠誠 毋庸置疑但是您應該沒有申領持用中國大陸居住證不太確定是嗎我再問一次 部長 請問您對國家忠誠嗎您有申領持用中國大陸居住證嗎沒有 |
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我再問一次 部長 請問您對國家忠誠嗎?您有申領持用中國大陸居住證嗎?謝謝委員 我對國家絕對是忠誠的我也沒有這一個在中國的任何的一個居住跟這一個身份證再問一次 部長 請問您對國家忠誠嗎?您有申領持用中國大陸居住證嗎? |
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跟委員報告我知道委員大概認為我們第一部長請您回答您是不是忠誠有沒有申領持用我的立場已經跟委員報告過我絕對是忠誠無庸置疑再問一次部長請問您對國家忠誠嗎您有申領持用中國大陸居住證嗎 |
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我對國家是忠誠的 也沒有申請居住證好 再問一次 部長 請問您對國家忠誠嗎您有申領持用中國大陸居住證嗎跟委員報告 我對國家絕對是忠誠的 也沒有申請中國居留證部長 經過七次的詢問 |
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請問您對國家的忠誠度有沒有變高?有變高嗎?同樣的問題問七次您感覺如何?公文報告教育部沒有調查七次 |
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沒有調查什麼就是說對我們第一線上的這些國立的這個學校這個主管或者這個相關人員老師的一個調查我們只是把這個陸委會的這個資訊轉發給這個第一線上各縣市政府所以轉發就不是調查 |
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在這個短話裡面我們當然中央有政策希望在整個讓老師們能夠有一個清楚的去重新再審視他到底有沒有這樣的一個部長您這樣的回答我真的不禁要問您是不是對陸委會忠誠沒有我想我們是你對陸委會忠誠嗎我對國家工程陸委會是為了 |
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陸委會是中央的一個部會所有幾多跨部會的政策的合作當然我們依法行政部長您剛剛幾次的問答裡面有很多次的答案其實都不一樣啦我想我們可能還要問第八次第九次嗎為了清查軍公教是不是持有中國大陸身份證戶籍或相關證件中央各部會頻繁發文據了解有學校收到七份來自不同機關的公文 |
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甚至有基層教師簽了七次竊結書啊拒絕書啊本席光是台在台上詢問您同樣的問題老實說啊都有一點覺得對您不太尊重 |
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台下的眾人也感到荒謬可笑大家甚至笑出聲的是您第一次都還搞不清楚您到底有沒有中國大陸居住證面對各個部會的疲勞轟炸所有的基層教師有非常多人疲於奔命他們笑得出來嗎 |
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消費部口口聲聲要說行政減量結果呢 現在完全不尊重專業變成施政提款機變成對其他部會忠誠 事實上 部長你剛剛有說你有轉文啊 這些同仁不需要回覆嗎不是說要去填寫嗎 |
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陸委會 我們透過陸委會的這個轉文只有兩次第一次就是這個全面調查那第二次只是在提醒我們的這些第一線上的老師你是不是已經填答了 填答就不需要再不需要再回覆我給你時間啦 我剛剛沒有請你發言啦但是喔 我要問你啦 |
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現在老師們收到這麼多次的詢問老師的權益老師的時間是不是教育部應該關心的當然是嘛那他們收到了七次拒絕書跟教育部有沒有關啊你說裡面只有兩次跟我有關您這樣態度對嗎跟委員報告我們當然感受有沒有關係這七次跟你們有沒有關係嘛你回答我有沒有關係跟他解釋我都聽過了如果這一個 |
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是跨部會裡面造成第一線上老師的工作的負擔行政的干擾我想我們會來了解當然有關嘛所以部長請看 |
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這個螢幕裡的公文你覺得熟悉嗎?這就是你們函轉行政人事總署轉至陸委會的公文內容要求 我真的不知道部長你有沒有看過啊要求公務員 各機關公務員不論平假日赴中國大陸 均應於赴陸前 |
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請問部長我們要依法行政公立各級學校教育人員當中有哪些具有公務員的身份依規定要在賦入前提出申請您知不知道 |
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賦入前要上這個登錄平台去登錄哪些人要啊哪些人要您知道嗎我目前來講這裡是全部公務員均需喔平日假日喔不分任何理由喔全部要許可誰誰需要公務員報告就是因為 |
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現在兩岸是處於比較緊張的一個狀態對不起 部長我們要依法行政你要就依法法令是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣現在不是你覺得緊張你覺得不一樣就可以做這是你們轉文的陸委會的資訊請您看清楚第三點如果沒有兼任行政職務者無需依照許可辦法做申請或報准 |
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你這份全部一竿子打盡什麼意思跟委員報告這個陸委會這個函子是希望說我們在我們在復錄的時候能夠依照規定來申請你這就違反他自己的規定嘛你們怎麼沒有保護好教師啊回到學校他的一個拆請規定那剛剛委員剛剛也有說明就是老師在兼任行政職的部分是有公務員服務法的一個適用我在這裡講的第三點是沒有的 |
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老師是不是要去大陸地區這個部分要回到學校的一個採請規定我們只針對於這裡白紙黑字寫了內監行政職務者不需要嗎現在是怎麼樣我們兩岸關係很緊張閱讀中文都有問題了嗎所以我們在公文上面並沒有針對於所以現在是你現在直接講就是回歸學校各自學校辦理 |
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我必須告訴各位我們現在這樣的做法已經逾越陸委會自己的台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例所規範的範圍有侵害人民隱私權甚至違反憲法保障人民居住及遷徙自由的可能請問部長啊 |
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你們自己知不知道你們在做這件事啊這件事情你們剛剛說拆形系統登錄其實有很多公立學校在實際執行上面是有困難的因為有分有兼行政職沒有兼行政職我請問教育部有沒有向陸委會反映 |
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各位報告這個部分還是我剛剛有強調就是說在學校端在學校端他針對出國包括附入這個部分是回到學校他自行的一個規範那我們只針對就是你兼行政職的部分才有 |
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才有這個服務法的適用請問你這份公文哪裡有分兼行政職沒有兼行政職所以我們在上面並沒有去去寫的寫名所以回到猜情讓我問是不是有老師沒有行政職也收到你們有沒有瞭解啊 |
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我剛剛問了教師是不是教育部要管的範圍學校是不是教育部要關心的範圍你們現在轉一個文就不關你們的事了嗎好沒有關係部長現在在旁邊思考這個問題 |
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陸委會我要幫他們講話啦陸委會可能不知道學校行政上的實務困難啦人事行政總署可能也不清楚教育部會不知道嗎還在裝傻還在裝睡剛剛真的時間是沒有暫停的喔畫面也沒有停格喔我們的教育部長是完全停滯的喔 |
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事實上這樣真的會扼殺我們的教育人員的權益追究起來看起來根本就是行政怠惰實際上甚至會讓特定的人會覺得這是一種思想清洗的活動嗎我們教育部變成思想教育部了嗎 |
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我想我再問一次部長沒有兼任行政職的教育人員他們沒有向主管機關或服務機關申請許可或報准賦入的義務教育部憑什麼法條以差型系統為由要求沒有兼行任職的教育人員要一體試用啊他們都收到通知啦他們到底要還是不要如果學校自己要求 |
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衛軍行政職的人也要填表也要同意你們同意這個做法嗎依據第三第三條裡面它是這一個 |
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兼行政的當然一定要報準但沒有兼行政的就是依學校相關的一個規定來做這一個處理所以老師說那現在教育部的態度到底是什麼我想這一個部分我們會再跟陸委會主動來協調 |
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好啦 謝謝教育部 以上要求教育部要幫我們做到本席要求教育部就上述我們今天所詢問的事項你們真的應該要發函 向陸委會表達校方實務上的困難能不能一個月內將辦理情形書面提供給本席 |
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好 謝謝不好意思 我爭取一點點時間這個AI是大事啦但是我想要問一下我們現在台灣的AI人才的培訓跟人才的培育這麼厚一本的書面解凍報告對AI人才培育的回覆只有在319頁181個字 |
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部長你認為這樣子足夠嗎你覺得這樣我們能夠培育足夠的嗎我直接給你看數字從110年到112年AI陸續成長我們的人才竟然是減少我們是怎麼樣我們這跟全世界平行時空嗎我們不是AI內閣嗎如果今年又再減少我們怎麼辦 |
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現在全世界都有AI缺乏人才的問題啊美國啊1月份專門做了AI Talent Report人工智慧的人才報告他們說供不應求啊他們非常努力他們用三種方式增加第一個增加本地訓練第二個增加在國外受訓的減少本地生的流出第三個增加基地措施 |
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我現在要問部長 近期川普有這個國際生禁令全球都在搶人啊 中港澳各地大學開綠色通道日本文部科學省直接表示 他們要收這些學生我們今天早上又收到消息 |
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學生簽證的面談可能會受到影響結果部長您剛剛在我們委員質詢的時候你說我們有雙簾學位 歡迎各個學校去洽談這不是應該用專案嗎這不是應該用教育部的高度嗎我們看到日本文部科學省我們看到中港澳在搶人部長有沒有做法 |
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跟委員報告其實我們在第一個時間我相信還有幾多國家剛才委員所提到的我為什麼在高等教育那邊200億裡面有一半以上我就是當時看到川普在對Columbia的一些經費上的一些可能會縮減的時候我們已經就想到說能不能 |
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讓這些人才 所以我要跟委員報告的是我想我們這個部分 我們態度是積極的那當然許多 因為在這個場域 我也盡量讓委員能夠給我們一些意見兩個問題 有沒有發新聞稿 日本就直接發新聞稿啊第二 有沒有專案 人家有沒有綠色通道 有沒有做我們現在事實上是有 還沒嘛 |
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就是還沒嘛 是不是還沒跟委員報告其實在第一時間針對這些外國學生要來台就讀的意願我們有跟我們的大學已經傳達相關的訊息那學校也表達他們願意來招收這些外國學生好 謝謝這個高度要做出來同時我們也有學生是不是有權益受到影響我們賴清德總統說拖中入北啊 |
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結果現在北部給你入啊那哈佛的學生可能進不去可能還有更多的學生權益受到影響啊老實說我一直都覺得我們要廣結善緣部長你回應一下我們有沒有學生受到影響接下來怎麼處理 |
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剛才跟委員報告我們初步上以哈佛來講是有52位學生包含已經申請甚至繳了這個住宿都已經找好這個接下來今天早上的新聞有沒有收到啊教育部同仁有給你吧是 |
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這個學生圈還不只哈佛啊 是這個影響範圍是不是會擴大 是所以我跟委員報告我們就是說我們也跟AIT在溝通協調這一方面我們要去照顧到我們台灣的這個留學生的權益部長 少花一點時間做政治思想的這些清洗我想我們各部會都非常負責教育部有更多更重要任才培育的事情要做 |
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這個思想控制我想委員這樣講對我是不公平的我沒有這樣說 我說少做一些多做一點對的事情我從來不做政治的一個思想的一個控制我沒有說你控制喔我只很清楚來自一個教育專業我服從教育基本法怎麼樣在人才培育讓我們的新世代年輕人對國家有多一份的一個喜愛好 我最後爭取幾秒鐘 |
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部長你知不知道速發部在做專案報告推估AI人才需求你知不知道這份報告 |
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你不是說你要推展這個人才嗎 你要依法啊也感謝委員 委員本身也是這一個專業 對不對那我們一上來的時候因為這一個AI人才產業確實需求恐極所以為什麼我們開始有一個大的一個來自於線上的一個AI課程的一個課程的規劃我想這一個方向目標都是一樣部長 我要告訴你的是你們現在正在被AI內閣的所有其他部位孤立的可能喔 |
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國科會經濟部都有相關的計畫跟你們有關的人才攻擊完全沒有問過你們跟AI人才培育有關的東西涉及之部會空白啊為什麼呢 |
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因為大家看到你們的都是這些國防妻子啊禁止婦入交流啊是不是連其他部會都在誤會你們的工作啦老實說這樣真的不好所以我希望部長我們希望跟各個部會更增強聯繫跟學校增強聯繫要幫老師跟學校來維護權益這是教育部以及教育部部長您的工作我最後提醒我們的學生版AI手冊 |
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從我去年2月1號上任以來到現在 沒看到 |
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什麼時候推出這是我最後一個問題謝謝委員的關心那這個AI手冊的一個部分學生版對是我們在年底會有出版出來然後昨天已經開完專家對於這整個手冊架構的一個諮詢會所以我們會盡快在年底把出版處理出來好謝謝委員謝謝希望教育部可以硬起來真的好好的來做好教育還有教育部長分內應該做的事我們大家一起來努力謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 我們謝謝各位人的發言 |