IVOD_ID |
161945 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161945 |
日期 |
2025-05-28 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-15 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
15 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-28T09:20:49+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-28T09:31:43+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:10:54 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/75aba70f567c6f2473df619869c153731b5ee1b3bf308d2ed7c4f69b4c130d77bd02ad7df8a93d275ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
委員發言時間 |
09:20:49 - 09:31:43 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議(事由:審查:
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)) |
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下陳部長陳部長委員長 |
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部長早部長我想這個農民退休儲金的這個條例從我們在立法院審查到現在開始辦實施應該差不多五年的時間我們110年1月以後大概將近四年到現在差不多五年的時間那在這五年裡頭其實每一個委員一直不斷的在跟農業部提出就是投保的人數比例 |
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如何增加那剛剛我想剛剛部長您的報告裡頭其實有非常清楚這個我大概把你們過去送過來的這個比例其實我們一直在講青農20到29歲的投保比例提交率是很低的那不管是在青農或者是其他的年齡階層 |
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依照你們現在送上來我剛剛看到的一份資料大概也都是在三成多不到四成嘛您剛講誘因不足所以現在有委員提出來要把這個提撥的比例把它用1比本來我們是1比1嘛相對提撥那委員提出來是要1比1.5您覺得這樣的誘因 |
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足夠嗎這個誘因是農民要的嗎還是說就你們現在應該有去統整或者是說有去做過做過一些填調有做過一些調查到底農民為什麼不願意去參加除菌制度 |
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理由是什麼那你要做一些什麼東西是讓他會願意去參加的你們有沒有做過這樣的調查有的非常謝謝委員那我在這邊也跟委員說明就是現在委員的版本就是從原來的1比1提高到1比1.5那提高了以後相對的他的天花板是打開的就是他總而會增加那他 |
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這個法案如果通過的話是針對已經投保的人他有退休金有更好的金額的保障可是對於還沒有參加投保的還沒有參加農民退休儲金的人他其實剛才也說了他們本身第一個就是他們的儲蓄能力第二個就是他們的意願的部分 |
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那因為退休儲券是65歲以後才能領特別是針對這些年輕人他可能是30年後以後才能領所以在這個年輕人的時代裡面他們的工作的收入不是那麼穩定的時候事實上就算你天花板拉得再高他們還是不願意就是還在觀望這個其實我們也透過很多專程會了解所以農民希望的是是不是能夠減少他的負擔 |
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就是他提繳的時候的一個負擔如果說我們原來舉個例子100塊對100塊的時候那總而是200塊不變的情況之下是不是能夠讓他們少繳一點那牽涉到這樣的一個少繳的時候其實也是一個方法這是第一個所以你剛剛講的比如說我們過去是1比1嘛是100對100那如果我現在如果依照您剛剛的談話如果這個想法變成說未來 |
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農民繳80你們繳120他總數還是200你覺得這個會增加農民的誘因嗎或者是說其實部長您看一下我這邊大概也有提了一個不同的意見的看法比如說 |
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我用階梯式的去增加我的撥補他繳了5年的跟繳了10年的我鼓勵他你繳越久我的撥補比例增加比例其實是越大 |
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這是兩個不太一樣的概念啦但是其實也是提供它精神是一樣的精神是一樣的提供它有一些不同的參考基準嘛您講的是說農民可以不要出那麼多錢我一樣的是兩百塊但是我現在農民只需要繳八十塊你們改成一百二那我提的這個想法是說你只要連續五年或者是連續十年我的撥補比例是在增加的政府的撥補比例是在增加的那我覺得就是說 |
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我們一直在講青農的投保比例過低其實我最近有發現到一個問題就是說青農在他20歲的這個階段他的人生還有很多不同的變化不同的思考所以很多的青農他甚至會想說他是不是要一輩子從農他現在就去繳這個農保 |
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農保的退休儲金很多時候他可能五年三年以後他不想做了所以造成他不願意去加入這個退休儲金制度 |
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會不會有這樣的狀態那面對這樣的狀態的時候你們又應該提出什麼樣的相應對策來鼓勵或者是來提高年輕人從農的意願跟提高他們參加農民退休儲金制度的意願我想謝謝委員剛才委員所提到的這些誘因其實跟我們的考慮的想法是一致的就是委員有提到是每隔一段時間去提高政府的撥補那我剛才也講了就是說 |
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100塊對100塊是不變的但是農民的提繳的金額是可以因為你實際從農的時間拉長了以後你的提繳金額是變少但是保障不變保障不變那這個部分其實我們可以再去做一個詳細的設計跟規劃那第二個部分您剛才也說了我們從現在的投保來講 |
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參加來講年輕族群就是大概30歲以下的到35歲這些相對的參加農民退休時間的比例是比較低的那也誠如您說的就是他們的不確定性從農的不確定性還在那邊就是做了解跟決定 |
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對思考所以其實我們主力的大概35歲到45歲這段時間其實我們如果能夠減輕他的負擔的話是會有一些誘因的這個我們在歷次的青龍座談會他們也提到用比較好的一個減少他們的負擔的情況之下讓他們願意來參加這樣的一個保險其實部長我在想就是說 |
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1比1.5這個所謂的相對用1.5倍去提高是不是真的能夠增加他們去投保的誘因這個的確是需要各方面的考量跟各方面的做過各式各樣的調查我們姑且這樣認為就是說我現在把你從1比1的相對提撥率提高到1比1.5 |
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同等來講 勞保制度勞保的提撥是不是也要做一些調整否則這一個國家的制度就會大亂但是對於農民因為他的收入本來就比較少而且是不固定的如何增加他願意持續從農增加他在年老的時候有一筆所謂的退休金 |
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那這個誘因要怎麼增加要怎麼鼓勵現在我們要鼓勵年輕人或者是中壯年回到農村裡頭去參與農事的耕作我覺得這個有很多的設計有很多的制度配套其實是需要更前瞻更全方位的去看這個我想也有賴這個農業部可能要多做一些田野調查我覺得你們應該是要下鄉去讓跟更多的農民座談不只是青農 |
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中壯年他有的可能是他過去在工會在參加勞保後來他回到農村現在我們農村很多這種五十幾歲六十歲的中壯年直接投入農業的工作那在保險制度上面其實也沒有辦法符合他們的需求 |
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我覺得這一塊也是未來農業部在做相關的保險制度改革的時候一個很重要的依據那部長因為我時間剩下一點點我想要簡短的再問一下老農津貼的這個排富門檻已經14年沒有調了 |
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大家都一直在講那我在上一屆其實也有提過相關的修法我不知道農業部現在的態度是怎麼樣就是你們對於這件事情有沒有一個想法你認為該不該調整那如果該調整的話農業部的規劃是怎麼樣我跟委員報告就是 |
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那個農農軍隊的排布條款以農業部的立場來講我們是支持這些排布條款做適度的修正因為包括我們的房屋的價值的所還有土地的價值房屋的價值等等隨著時間的一個調整 |
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所以我們在我們的方案附案裡面其實我們有針對排富條款本身的所得的部分從50萬可以適度的提高然後至於說財產的部分從500萬也可以適度的提高所以這些東西都已經在你們的修正規劃裡面那什麼時候會送到行政院或者什麼時候會跟行政院來做討論我想我們已經有安排行政院的做專案報告 |
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那做專案報告我剛才說的農業部的立場是支持這樣的一個調整那包括CPI4年的時候怎麼樣去做一個階段性的調整這個都有一個完整的配套方案那有待於就是行政院做最後的決定部長有沒有可能我們在下個會期的時候可以有一些你們行政院的版本農業部的版本可以送到院裡面來做討論甚至跟委員的案子來併案做討論那如果可以的話我覺得老農今天排付條款這個已經14年沒有調整 |
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其實它是一個非常迫切需要改變的一個法案是 我們期待會這樣子啦因為行政院現在一直希望說八大政府的一個條例來同步考量但我們也希望說因為農業是比較特殊的是不是可以單獨先行啦這個我想我們會努力的去跟行政院做這樣的調查那我就給你一點壓力啦 |
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否則我覺得這個我們長期因為執政黨的委員齁都是溫良恭儉讓齁我還是要給您一點壓力啦我期待下個會期那個農業部的版本就能夠送到院裡面來跟我們的版本定案來討論我們希望能夠在今年年底以前把老農津貼排布的這件事情把它做一個修訂完成讓他做一些調整好嗎好這是我想也是我們的目標好謝謝好謝謝 |