| IVOD_ID |
16193 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16193 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-23T08:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-23T14:16:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:44:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685910ea1e62573b11e6c0396a52a6677966059d4d42a7fce210516c7afb9d59e955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、法務部、內政部、財政部、教育部列席就「有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:16 - 14:16:00 |
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出席委員陳委員金輝等15人、列席委員鄭委員天才等27人、列席官員勞動部部長何佩珊等相關人員、主席黃兆吉委員秀芳。10月16日報告事項,宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定,邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況並備質詢。 |
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1795.402 |
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1813.079 |
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本日會議由勞動部部長報告後委員陳昭芝等26人提出質詢均經勞動部部長及各相關主管等即席答覆委員麥玉珍及邱若驊所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報決定一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料者 |
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1814.52 |
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1823.466 |
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請相關機關於二周內以書面答覆、委員令要求期限者從其鎖定。10月17日,邀請勞動部部長就如何提升移工問題諮詢與申訴處理效能並重視與建立移工的社會支持系統進行專題報告．並備質詢。邀請勞動部部長、行政院人事、行政總副就如何有效提升國內薪資水準 |
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1838.215 |
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1842.137 |
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落實保障政府機關單位內勞工之權益進行專題報告．並備質詢本日會議專題報告綜合詢答由勞動部部長報告後委員王玉明等18人提出質詢軍經勞動部部長及行政院人事行政總處副人事長李秉舟及各相關主管等及其答覆 |
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1858.163 |
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1876.946 |
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委員蘇清泉、邱振鈞及楊瓊英所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報決定一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料者請相關其關於二中內書面答覆委員令要求期限者從其鎖定通過臨時提案一項宣讀完畢請問委員會上次議事錄有無錯誤或遺落之處 |
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1887.13 |
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1900.07 |
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沒有 那我們就確定那本日會議議程為 邀請衛生福利部部長、法務部、內政部、財政部、教育部列席就有關新興煙 |
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1903.915 |
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1924.583 |
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煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為進行專題報告那今天的這個題目很廣泛所以會有很多人來花圓我們現在介紹在場委員林業群委員一定都先叫你王振旭委員好 |
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1928.71 |
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1956.011 |
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介紹在場的官員衛生福利部 邱太遠部長保護服務師 張秀嫣社會救助及社工師 蘇昭儒師長心理健康師 鄭淑欣師長 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1959.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1986.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
史耀署署長莊生宏社家署副署長張美美國建署副署長賈淑麗華為部檢察師郭永發市長警政署警政監吳東文 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1991.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1999.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
警政使黃志祖施怡仙副組長財政部關稅署陳世豐副組長國庫署專門委員林理珍 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2017.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2043.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
教育部學生事務及特殊教育師吳林輝師長國民及血淺教育署詹雅惠副組長綜合規劃師呂宏林專門委員司法院刑事廳吳元耀法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2047.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2053.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我們接續請衛生福利部部長、邱部長報告時間5到7分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2078.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2102.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
主席、各位委員、女士、先生今天大案第11屆第2次第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會召開第5次全體委員會議本部陳邀列席報告深感榮幸之就有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為提出專案報告,敬請各位委員不吝會議指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2105.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2129.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
背景說明,毒品對於健康危害影響生計,面對用毒品危害生命,衛生福利部持續配合法務部、教育部等相關部會、跨部會合作,包括在相關課程融入及加強宣導,更是強化藥品醫療及與專業廚藝服務資源的部件,提供更為便利的求助資源。而新興煙品 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2131.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2160.156 |
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新興煙毒品防制一、我們配合法務部新興毒品類管策略、策進作為一、毒品細衣、毒品危害防治條例分市級管理由法務部主管、設有毒品審議委員會審議毒品的分級及品項本部食品藥物管理署為協助法務部加強新興濫用物質類管提供物質之料理 |
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2161.239 |
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2182.095 |
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獨立資料包括其成癮性、難用性及對社會危害性等性質說明、相關實證、數據及國外分級類管情況等資料供毒品審議委員會委員評估。二、管制藥品則依管制藥品管理條例分4級管理由本部主管,所有管制藥品審議委員會審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2184.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2212.316 |
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審理管制藥品是分級及品項對具醫療如目前已核有的藥品、許可證的藥品用途之新興濫用物質本部列管為管制藥品、法務部列管為毒品。三、令《煙災防治法》於1、612年3月22日修正施行包括全面禁止包括電子連載內的各類各式烈煙品 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2213.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2222.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
雙方與地方透過加強查處電子煙等烈煙品並予以狀化將可避免電子煙彈成為毒品載機 |
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2223.921 |
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2252.079 |
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2.持續兒少保護,依兒少全法規定,任何人不得貫賣、交付或供應毒品、非法使用管制藥品或其他有害身心健康之物質與兒少為者處新台幣6萬元以上、30萬元以下的罰款。2.本部配合內政部落實暑期青春專案,督導各直轄市、縣市、政府加強透過多元管道加強先導。 |
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2253.34 |
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2280.663 |
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三、跨部會的合作防止煙毒,而來由電子煙成為毒品載具情況,為防止電子煙含有毒品。與煙害防治法修法前以跨部會動員,若查獲之電子煙含毒品,依法務部主管之毒品危害防治條例查處,且各部會合作防止電子煙的分工,包括邊界攔檢、攝影水廠、流通機廠、 |
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2283.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2287.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
監控、管制、先導、傳播或藉制輔導等。2. |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2287.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2295.76 |
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毒品防制系為跨部會合作、中央地方協力、查緝、煙彈促請縣市衛生單位與煙災防治法加強先導及稽查,自112年。 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2301.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2313.266 |
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3月22日至113年9月30日,針對電子連擊指定N品的實體及網路稽查合計50萬一家建設,其中包括實體對面稽查約47萬家建設,網路稽查3萬5 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2324.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2339.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
五一五加堅持,開立處方書記一二七四件財法金額到達新台幣七千多萬另以警政等單位合作及 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2342.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2358.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
受研追查並配合教育單位制毒品防治加強效應的管理提供成癮者成癮疫療補助降低就醫障礙為誰數使用新興毒品成癮者戒癮本部已指定要癮 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2359.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2372.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
介視機構156家並辦理藥癮治療費用補治方案降低就醫屏障令各地受有毒品危害防治中心提供施用毒品者衛教諮詢及資源連結協助護規 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2378.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2390.212 |
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強化虐童防治作為,近三年,兒少保護通報案件成長近三成。本部會因應兒少保護案件日益增加,強化兒少三級預防。 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2397.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2423.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
租居院報告當然加強一一三保護專線推動暴力零容忍刺激醫療就是布置社福中心及社工人力等等第三級醫療就建立智慧化的兒少派案輔導模型並加強個案保護及家庭的一個廚藝特別針對黃室有困難形容不明的疑似我們會透過網路合作來降低風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2425.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2448.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
提升廚藝的效能,而為緩緩托嬰中心及家托育人類內童,規範地方政府設立民眾申請時應慎核有無消極資格,進行事前把關。針對違反《兒少法》第49條也要落實退場機制並提高罰款額度等等。本部將更新 |
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2450.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2477.479 |
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強化推動兒少保護三級預防、克正研擬兒童及少年福利與權益保障法修正法案及兒童托育服務法草案、參佐聯合國兒童權利公約之精神以周延對兒童及少年的保護、完善托育品質保障兒少健康權益應應行政院五打七安政策本部將加速 |
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2478.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2493.116 |
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管制藥品審議類管流程、配合法務部的反毒需求、維護國人身心健康本部曾答應各委員支持教育監督在此敬注這層,並期各位委員繼續予以支持以上,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2504.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2518.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入刊登公報現在補介紹陳昭之委員現在開始巡檔做以下宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2519.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2545.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
本會委員請答時間6加2分鐘列席委員4分鐘10點30分截止花園登記委員如有書面質詢請於上會前提出欲取不受理我們暫定10點30分左右休息10分鐘沿著上11點30分左右處理臨時提案11點截止收案我們中午不休息全部 |
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2547.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2572.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
都訓導完畢再休息現在請登記第一位委員陳昭芝委員質詢謝謝主席有請委員長部長請部長早早部長早部長我昨天在做總執行的時候你有覺得我在歧視同志或單身女性嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2574.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2603.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
昨天我們才見面你有覺得嗎為什麼我要這樣問部長因為我昨天總質詢之後有位民進黨的立委就是上次在那邊念法條看不懂的那位立委他說我歧視這個同志跟單身女那我要藉機會還原一下這個真相因為有一些部份的執政黨立委他一直說黛玉沒有共識問題很多所以要脫鉤但是我強調的是黛玉已經經過兩次公民會議三次的國家民調但10場以上的公聽會還有很多國家的研究計畫都是一面倒的支持 |
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2603.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2607.079 |
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這個要待運要解禁那以這樣的結果他還是社會沒有共識嗎有社會問題嗎或是所謂的這個還需要脫鉤嗎那新興的議題反而新的議題因為我推動了二三十年那新的議題包括單身這個還有同志的部分他是個新的議題事實上沒有經歷過像公民會議啦不建署的民調或很多場的公民會議等等 |
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2626.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2635.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
的確社會有一群聲音他們會指這樣出生的孩子會不會得到最佳利益原則但是我要強調陳昭志要強調的是我主張平權我甚至單身還有同志男男同志我都包含在我的版本裡面我要強調我的法案是最完整的法案我強調每一個人都有這樣的有需求就要給他得到滿足所以我希望不要再因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2650.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2673.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
這樣子把指控我是這個歧視單身或是同志然後認為待遇要透過然後說沒有共識部長謝謝你法務部長今年這個6月我就收到一個那個一位高一孩子高一的媽媽的陳情他的孩子吸食了這個伊托米治他去報案他去石牌位派出所報案那報案的時候因為那個派出所說無法可 |
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2673.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2687.635 |
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無法可辦沒有受理那當時我馬上追這個案子所以這個瞭解派出所他不受理的情形然後也追著食藥署要趕快去做這件事那當時食藥署的確就像今天我們看到的這個一般的這樣的程序來看就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2690.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2707.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
實要是當時說他們已經剛剛完成這個把依託名字列為列為所謂的管制藥品管制藥品然後告訴我說要等60天公告之後才能正式就是生效那我問他那有沒有說到法務部呢因為我也擔任過管制藥品管理委員 |
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2708.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2713.244 |
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我也擔任過大概20幾年後來他們說有即刻是送到那個法務部法務部有個讀審會讀品藥物審查委員會那他們也要開會但是也要再等60天這個就是現在的一般的這個正常程序那我覺得當我聽到這個媽媽這個可能媽媽她居然去為了孩子去報案她因為她的孩子有對方的名字有跟聯絡電話所以她去報案那我覺得對我來說我每天都在催這個案子 |
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2735.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2764.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
只要少一天加速一天公告生效有法可辦那麼這個壞人就可以少一天去做壞去危害別人這是非常清楚的但是問題就是去年9月就發生了這樣的事情那這邊資料都有新北的刑大那後來發現整個是全國流竄大爆發那根據第一線查緝警方說其實去年就非常的嚴重我相信法務部應該掌握有這個資料那我想了解的是 |
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2765.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2792.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
為什麼要經過這麼漫長的程序這個煙屍藏屍煙彈他的精神症狀他是一個他會精神恍惚然後渾身發抖等等那後來我們看到了也很多的悲劇包括他的毒架讓警員致死但是有可能警員是被知道因為他的身份特別可是可能有一般人受害我們還不知道可能受害的這個黑數是更多的話那我現在想要質詢的就是說那可不可以請那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2794.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2794.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
開放萊豬預告只要7天 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2810.882 |
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你要給一個萊豬開放民眾死安逆慮的你給他等待七天喪屍煙彈為什麼這個管制要公告兩個月才生效剛剛我也提到這個這個成本我非常熟悉我是藥學背景這個依托彌子他本身是有醫療用途在開刀手術房他是作為麻醉劑所以他在醫院是有用途的所以醫院當時只列為第3級的管制第4級的管教我可以接受因為他有醫療用途可是當他不是正當的用途跑出去的時候 |
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那這個目前是列為第三集第三集是不是恰到等一下我們要來討論那請部長先回答我為什麼開放萊豬預告七天為什麼喪失煙彈管制要拖兩個月才公告開放 |
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巴委員我非常感佩你關心這個議題,這個就是平常我們在醫療上用的很不錯的藥我聽說我的關鍵是怎麼一個七天、一個案兩次我意思是說這是一個很不好的事情,就是說拿來給我們用影響到一個醫藥的真實用那我請教部長,管治藥品管理會多久開一次會?那我跟委員報告 |
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那因為我們有這裡這個的確是在委員的期待以及說社會的期待所以我們已經把它從兩個月變成14天 |
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公告日期改了是不是?公告日期改了是不是?馬雙署長在點頭是不是?那我要想到這個管政品管理會你有這麼重大的事情發生你不能說一年召開三次、四次會議啊你要開緊急的臨時會議啊這個每延長一天你就害死多少小孩害死多少家庭了 |
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法務部司長、國司長請問毒品、毒藥審議委員會多久開一次委員好,我們都審會是每3個月開一次必要的時候可以再加開 |
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有嗎?那這次有為了這個而加開會議嗎?跟委員報告,我們在3月份就已經提出一通名詞的一個動議,由法醫研究所提出議警那議警完了之後,因為我們審議是由外部委員專家來審議,他必須具有成癮性,還有這個社會危害性等你已經講到審查的標準,我大概了解審查標準 |
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這個案子拖了多久?3月份之後在6月13號我們就開了這個審查會議把伊托米子類管為三級毒品那因為伊托米子如果類管為三級毒品之後可能其他毒品會有代替的效應所以又把香類鹽物、美托米子跟薏餅、帕桶同時類為三級毒品 |
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市長,我要講為什麼要公告兩個月?毒品要公告兩個月嗎?已經危害這麼大,全國大串流,要等兩個月嗎?公告生效兩個月嗎?報委員,我們沒有公告兩個月,我們毒品會通過...你6月13號通過,然後你8月19號才...對,因為要報行政院公告,我們法制作業做完之後要報行政院公告,行政院是在8月份公告生效 |
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3008.008 |
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市長跟部長,你們認為這個東西遇到緊急狀況,是不是應該要稍微有彈性,不要那麼僵化?市長,我們的確有彈性,不管是開會或者是預告期,的確是有彈性 |
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3016.028 |
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3030.897 |
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管制藥品那邊是列為第4級,你這邊列為第3級,但是有第一線的警戒,因為這個有提出來,劉世芳部長也有這樣談,他們希望列為2級圖品,我想了解當時你們的思考是怎麼樣?法刑度完全都不一樣,處罰威嚇力完全不一樣。跟委員報告,這個議題,因為這是獨審會委員審議通過的,那因為這一個可能對社會危害性有蠻嚴重的影響,所以 |
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本部部長在要求我們,我在這個禮拜一我們就發函要準備來檢討是不是要把它升級 |
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3076.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
禮拜一這個禮拜一就發好我正想問你說你們是一旦公告已經公告了嗎是不是有必要是要滾動式的去趕快檢討看國內情形嗎你犯難的情形危害的情形然後你要修改級數然後你你這個這個刑法法則也都要不刑度也都不一樣是所以市長是有在做是不是有有禮拜一就發函了是 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3078.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3095.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
請市長繼續留在台上請問部長或市長有沒有看過美國很有名的兩部劇一個叫絕命毒師跟絕命律師主角分別是一位制毒的毒販跟一門專門幫毒販辯護的律師臺灣這個民主法治國家即便是罪犯我們也要給他基本的權利但請法務部看一下這個廣告大大的廣告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3113.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
販賣毒品吸毒被抓怎麼辦?成功無罪緩刑上百件勝訴這是廣告欸另外一個廣告販賣一二級毒品有解立即徵詢立即諮詢這個是在鼓勵販毒吸毒嗎?市長請市長先回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3119.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3141.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
這個也可能涉及到這一個鼓勵犯罪的行為我相信包括我們警察同仁在也會網路巡邏你覺得這個可以嗎?這個廣告可以嗎?為什麼沒有發現呢?這個我們網路巡邏應該也會加以助理網路巡邏失敗嘛!這個整個大大叫人家趕快來吸毒啊而且你一旦販毒吸毒都沒罪我可以幫你脫罪啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3142.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3152.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
廣告可以廣告成這樣嗎?律師法第40條明文規定不能以誇大不實不正當方法去推展業務法務部能處理嗎?這件事能處理嗎?能迅快處理嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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還是無法可管?當然這個有如果是律師做廣告這還涉及到律師的倫理規範問題我們這個沒有法條就有倫理規範是一件事法條已經講說不能以誇大不許不正當的方法推展請各位公道嘛這個你可以這樣講你販毒了我可以幫你解擺脫我可以幫你除罪啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3197.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
有解啊這個廣告大大大在我們台灣的廣場上這個市長法務部多加油吧部長你知道我考最後部長部長你知道醫療哪些東西可以廣告不能廣告嗎醫療可不可以廣告醫療行為可不可以廣告醫療不能廣告藥品呢藥品哪些藥品不能廣告藥品分幾集您知道嘛 |
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3203.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3205.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
那是可以的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3233.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3234.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
謝謝主席,我們是不是有請部長? |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3262.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3276.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
委員長部長早部長你知不知道你們現在整個煙品的裁罰率非常的低如果以現在113年1到9月你們稽查了23萬件2612件僅開罰了539件等於是1萬件才裁罰23件 |
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3285.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3298.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
為什麼整個裁罰率這麼低?你們到底是怎麼在執行的?這就是執行不力啊!那這樣子大家怎麼會擔心怎麼會害怕呢?你們那個嚴重的落差到底出現在哪裡? |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3299.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3306.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我想我們查了三四萬件,那23萬件,23萬件,那那個...我要問的就是你裁罰率為什麼這麼低?那有一定的法規確認以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
特別請我們柏建署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3358.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
跟委員報告在電子煙上面如果是廣告跟販賣是65件那如果是稀食呢稀食是電子煙加加熱煙是137這麼少你這個比例非常非常的低我要指出來的就是現在按照中華民國的法令稀食電子煙就是違法它跟稀食煙瓶是不一樣的 |
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3359.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3377.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
禁止吸食電子煙更何況是販賣製造輸入通通都是不允許的所以你對於這種吸食電子煙的開罰這個董事基金會就講了為什麼吸食不能立刻開罰公然在公共場所吸食電子煙為什麼不能開罰 |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3396.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
你還要經過程序還要行為人陳述我們的交通法規你一違規照相一拍就立刻開法有陳述的嗎沒有這個就是強力執法那請問你對於電子煙你為什麼不採取這樣的動作他基本上是違法他跟一般你現在傳統的煙品是不一樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3415.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
那為什麼還需要陳述因為在整個煙害防治法的這整個論文裡面它就是有這個約詢而且要確定但是電子煙是你禁止的你把它跟合法傳統的煙品你那個整個裁法的模式一模一樣難怪你們效率這麼差我要求你們要立刻改善它是違法行為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3441.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
一般稀釋的是有分場所有合法場所跟不合法它是可稀釋但是電子煙你們明文規定它就是禁止稀釋不是嗎是禁止的東西違法事項就是應該立刻開罰我覺得這個部分就是你們現在一個很大的漏洞我要求你們要立刻修正立刻採取你的採訪模式第二個你們對於網路上面電子煙 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3467.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
這種非法的廣告這麼的猖狂你看我們截取下來的畫面它可以公告說它的銷售已經達到65萬件嚇死人啊這麼龐大的一個銷售量它可以公然列在網路上面就這樣子銷售而我們通過的《煙害防治法》裡面對於這種廣告行為你知道處多少嗎40萬以上 |
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3471.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3471.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
廣告行為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3506.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
是輸入才是一千萬以上?製造跟輸入都是一千萬嗎?那廣告裁罰多少?有裁罰嗎?有你們有在稽查嗎?你們現在稽查了幾件?跟委員報告在網路稽查的部分我們大概有三萬多件次的那目前 61件 |
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3509.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3528.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
又是這麼懸殊的比例,為什麼?因為這個網路稽查裁法也是有陳述行政的一些程序我真的要求你們要通盤的去檢討你今天特別針對電子煙的這個部分,它是危害最大的今天為什麼連法務部都來?電子煙已經變成是我們毒品的一個載具了 |
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3529.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3554.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
所以它非同小可它跟你傳統煙品的管制你應該就要有另外一套嘛結果你們的裁法模式就是上次修法罰那麼重製造輸入都是1000到5000萬結果你們在執行下來的成果都很差罰的都很少你們整個執行下來現在total的金額才罰了7000多萬所有煙品那電子煙這個部分去修那麼重罰有什麼用你們根本 |
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3554.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3562.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
沒有落實嘛所以我要求網路平台這一塊它危害其實非常的巨大你們剛剛3萬件才罰了61件這個也是不符合比例這個為什麼還有陳述的問題呢這個就是依照法令你電子煙是違法你一看燈也是違法就是立刻開法為什麼還有陳述的問題我覺得這一方面這個請衛福部真的要徹底的檢討另外一個我要我請這個法務部也上來法務部檢察司郭司長 |
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3585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3586.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
有關於現在的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3615.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
電子煙的問題它已經衍生到就是它是毒品適用的載具所以在源頭的茶器特別是製造跟輸入這方面的打擊犯罪其實非常的重要但是你們現在是分開的對不對有涉及到毒品的才有法務部如果純粹電子煙的都是衛福部這樣子的分工是對的嗎當它已經新型態已經混合在一起了你們不是應該要一起共同打擊犯罪嗎 |
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3616.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3637.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
跟委員報告因為電子煙它是一個載體所以那個煙彈如果是毒品的話就會涉及到毒品防治條例的刑責如果沒有的話它其實是行政裁法行政裁法就不在我知道但是實務上現在蠻多其實就是混在一起你懂我意思嗎就是它 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3638.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3663.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
現在電子煙其實很多都變成是毒品適用的載具了所以如果你們兩個單位還要分得這麼的清楚我只能說以衛福部的力道他要去查緝這一種偷偷已經涉及犯罪的電子煙的廠商其實他們力有未待到目前為止你們看衛福部他的製造方面電子煙的部分製造你們掛的數據是零件你們查到的是零件 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
3665.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3674.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
最新的是那個桃園他有查獲2000萬的這個電子鹽市值超過2000萬電子鹽你們在製造工廠你們自己的業績是掛零 |
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3675.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3700.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
那這樣的一個查緝力道你認為我們對於打擊這樣的一個非法的電子煙會有成效嗎?已經實施一年多了我們抓不到製造但是在網路上面幾十萬幾十萬在賣也那麼多人在抽這個在整體的打擊效應上面不是大打折扣嗎?你們就是兩個單位太會分了嘛分太開了嘛這個部分這個我請法務部回去研議喔對於這一種新興的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3703.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3722.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
你們在打擊犯罪你們應該要加進來要不然我覺得法都是定假的我們現在的煙這個去年修正通過的你如果電子煙的製造輸入違反是一千到五千萬的罰款我就問兩個單位到目前為止有罰過任何一家嗎?你們當時新聞稿寫得很好聽哇我們修法就是重法最高就是五千萬講得好像雷利風行 |
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3732.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
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法到目前為止你們總額也才到7千那麼多件也才到7千萬那我相信這個製造跟輸入的應該沒有一家被重罰過5千萬的金額是不是是不是到目前為止沒有一家目前新北跟台北都正在程序中在這個所謂的製造的這個裁罰中所以到目前也只有兩件嗎 |
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還有台中三件目前才查到三件嘛但是市面上這麼的氾濫這個法務部這個司長你說一句話法務部該表態了吧我說這件事情光靠衛生單位其實是沒有辦法的犯罪你們比較有辦法那這當中你不要說電子煙是電子煙這當中很多就是混合這個犯罪的手法就在裡面了啦 |
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你們要不要加入這個共同打擊的行列這個本來就在我們這個查緝平台上面包括衛福部都有在這個平台上面那你們製造現在總共才找到三件真的是太少了啦這個我希望法務部你們回去就是要好好的研究最後我要講我們現在官方的宣導趕不上煙傷的洗腦 |
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我們的速度真的都太慢了你可以看到無論是法務部或者是其他單位你們在網路上面青少年專區的資訊都到111年或112年那你看這一些煙商他怎麼在網路上面去廣告他怎麼洗腦他都說煙彈它是一種更安全更健康的替代吸煙方式 |
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西煙就是有害人體健康有更安全跟更健康的嗎那像這一種你們如果你們自己的宣導不利真的是煙傷跑得比你們快啦就是不就是花大量的廣告在平台你又不管制他所有的訊息都去洗腦我們的年輕人 |
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那這個我們的防治其實效果就會非常的差所以這個部長在打擊電子煙的這一件事情還有就是防止毒品這件事情你真的要硬起來要跟法務部合力而且你們在裁法的部分現在裁法率過低的問題我要求你們一個月之後要交出檢討報告要怎麼改善好不好 |
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謝謝主席,有請部長 |
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委員長部長早剛才大家前面都在講毒品那我這邊也不例外就是想把兩個主題結合起來毒品跟額虐這個課題所以今天想來跟部長討論如何進行我們藥酒飲的家庭支持服務來避免額虐不斷的發生那首先根據衛福部的2019年到2022年的一個5年的統計觀察我們可以看到我們一些額虐的樣態裡邊 |
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那酒飲的人數近5年事實上是平盤可是沒有下降那藥飲事實上人數反而是5年內增長了2.5倍 |
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那這個統計當然是附選題他有施虐者有可能還有缺乏親自照養的知識甚至互相情緒的特質或親密關係的失調跟經濟因素並不單一可是有沒有去注意到因為過去我在民間在處理惡虐的時候很常就是因為藥酒飲而引發的惡虐事件那再看這些 |
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指出藥酒飲的這些物質使用為什麼會增加而虐的可能性2023年美國的國家家庭暴力跟創傷跟心理健康中心也指出說這個第一個可能會影響到我們肆虐者的行為因為酒精跟毒品會影響到人的判斷力就像剛剛前面兩個委員質詢的也是你看內湖的那個造成三死兩傷一樣的就是說 |
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在家裡是不是如果有這樣的藥酒飲的話可能會增加衝動跟易怒的暴怒的行為然後呢會讓孩子有更大的風險還有破壞家庭關係因為這種物質使用會讓他對孩子的目不關心然後甚至會出現家庭暴力那就增加孩子被虐的一個風險還有因為藥蠻貴的所以呢這個毒蠻貴的話就會增加大量金錢的使用然後就會導致家庭經濟的困難 |
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有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為 |
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那從剛剛前面的那個美國的藥酒營對額內的影響當中我們也知道這個指標列是應該的那可是我去問一線社工他們最大的困難是這樣列進來了是退家沒有問題問題是他要怎麼處理因為這些都是非自願性的家長那他們大部分都是沒有病史感 |
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對阿他被列為吹家那接下來呢這沒有錯這個事實上是2018年的報告者可是直至今日還是如出一轍的也就是說根本要請他們進到醫院進到行為中心去接受治療這社工界面對到的困難 |
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今天委託民間單位或者是地方政府自己做,做了又如何呢?因為做了,他還是沒有辦法解決我即便一個月去訪一次,知道崔家有這樣的狀況可是重點是沒有辦法解決這個問題所以社工為什麼留不住?因為當他的案家很多問題是沒辦法解決的時候當然是留不住人啊 |
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所以就要來問一下現在的確我們的藥酒飲的家庭的服務可以看到有新建師我們的設救師有各式各種的藥酒飲的個案的服務計畫可是現況是什麼這些計畫都是被動的今天如果他不上門又沒有任何法律強制 |
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想問部長你這前端的預防到底是什麼那這兩個單位都是我們衛福部轄下的管理單位如果要等到個案自己上來做我們的介制的話那個案不願意來這就是普遍社工遇到最大困難我們到底要怎麼做部長 |
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謝謝委員這麼詳盡的把我們整個相關的議題做這麼清楚的分析那也指出了前端的重要性那前端就是在整個在心理健康的一個推展我想這個對整個在藥酒飲方面會有很大的幫助所以在這個部分政府也提出了很多的方案在努力我想 |
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所以這個就是要配合也要跟縣市衛生局合作 |
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社工的系統不是有問題才去好像救火員他應該是一個巡查員可是你崔家就已經把他們列為指標說一定要他就是你要關懷對象問題是我們要解決他問題預防說他會不會有惡虐當初為列為這樣的指標之一也是怕他有惡虐的可能性結果他不進去治療的話接受那個戒指的話你根本就是沒有辦法他不接受治療他不去接受 |
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對社工的提供服務,我想他就是一個提供服務 |
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我們的確是沒有辦法有這個強制力但如果是提供服務應該是它的進變性跟可及性是要被考慮所以難怪我們的藥酒營還是有額內的問題所以你們自己去看這個就是你們的服務所以我剛剛前面提到說從檢察署的數據來看到每一年大概私用土餅的大概7萬多人可是興建師申請藥酒營 |
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主席 |
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怎麼樣去做被保護那酒飲一樣的也就是為了協助酒飲的那個陳癮的治療衛福部有補助法定裁定這個加報加害人相關的酒飲治療費用這確定已經有加報的可是衛福部回答我們辦公室也說那個藥酒飲不是全民健保給付的項目所以沒有辦法透過資料來掌握數據 |
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常常我都覺得你要有數據才能夠去解決問題可是我們自己大概沒有什麼數據所以我們就找到臺灣成癮學會的統計推估臺灣有80人有酒癮的問題可是衛福部大概看這近三年的數據我們的酒癮服務人數雖然有逐年增加可是也只有3000多的家暴加害人我前面問是說你列為這個指標催加可是如果他真的後來動手了看起來似乎 |
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新興煙毒品防治作為 |
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也可能他還是處在家庭維繫方案的一個處遇模式的時候那他也不想啊因為他不想那個戒酒戒毒的時候他不覺得自己有問題的時候你怎麼去 |
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往往因為都是不開案服務所以想問是說那我們的孩子怎麼被照顧到被保護到如果在家庭維繫他就是列為兒保那他又不願意去接受戒酒飲這樣子的處理計畫那就直接申請社工直接申請依職權申請保護令有法院去命他做戒酒飲的治療 |
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這個我想問市長很清楚有這樣做嗎否則不會社工一直他們現在很辛苦的地方是案子在手上做不了事情而且我們的維繫方案坦白講跟國外的不太一樣人家是一個月內幾乎都在案加我們是上次久久才看一次 |
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2023年國會委員就邀請學者在我們的研討會當中分析這幾個國家都有去應對的預防性的 |
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的政策在執行．既然國務院做出來．他不是讓你們訴諸高閣．而是應該要有更積極的作為．那接下來想問的是 |
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到底是需求有減少嗎還是問題變好了可是我們沒有看問題變好了可是怎麼是逐年減劣而且2025年對直轄縣市政府各縣市的補助就不見了那藥酒飲家庭的後續追蹤的預算又是一個逐年減劣想問前面我都擔心做不好了社工也一直覺得他沒有辦法在你那邊拿到服務的時候結果現在竟然預算是減劣 |
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市長,我剛剛講,如果按 |
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你們有沒有主動讓它進到你們體系然後你們就是因為沒有人來然後就檢列可是它問題是還是存在的 |
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所以對於藥酒飲家庭的支持服務我主張家庭有錢在藥酒飲個案的話請追蹤列管主動關懷還有對有藥酒飲且已經對孩子不當對待的請你們訂立相關的法令或者是要用什麼方法來讓他強制就醫所以請衛福部在研擬討論後回覆辦公室一個禮拜可以嗎 |
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報告委員我想我們兒權法裡面會把剛剛你提的這部分加進去可是你兒權法到現在都還是完全沒有辦法也沒有任何修正啊結合民間的社工室然後由主責的政府的社工室一起大家建構一個網絡不要兒童的虐待兒童沒被保護到社工又出眾然後讓現場的崩盤一個禮拜可以嗎可以一個禮拜我們提出這個規劃謝謝 |
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好 謝謝林委員 謝謝部長接下來我們請陳秦威委員質詢謝謝 我請衛福部部長部長請委員長 |
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我們看一下剛剛已經有非常多委員提到了毒品已經奪走我們許多員警或者是無辜的生命包括在路上行走的路人那最重要的關鍵就是說現在新興毒品它很複雜電子煙是你要管的但是毒品又是別人要管的那電子煙只是一個載具 |
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好 這個會報呢是我們卓院長上任以後也是您上任以後第一個很大規模的這個毒品防制會報喔不管是院長、副院長、秘書長還有兩位這個政務委員全部都到齊了可是你看那一天我們的缺席率是六成這麼多人找代理那再來司法院的廳長是直接NO SHOW欸好 那我想問一下 |
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您有多重視這個議題啊因為你那天也沒有出現但是那天的會議你們通過了未來四年第三期即將投入150億的新世代反毒政策行動綱領剛在六月核定喔你們通過了這麼一大筆錢結果有六成的人缺席所以你們的橫向串聯怎麼可能會做得好呢 |
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好,我想毒品防治匯報這個是持續的,已經35次了那它的很多的計畫應該是持續性一直在討論才會有當天的一個計畫的核定那我想這個都是一直持續在做的那我們大概都也是由本部也是由主責的主責實驗室的製造你下次會到了啦 |
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市長 |
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委員好跟委員報告這個二級毒品我們在禮拜一已經發函徵詢各機關在收集資料因為我們6月份才通過依托米子為三級毒品那短短幾個月要把它提升為二級毒品當然這個我們要收集資料完了之後我們預計在下個月底或者12月初會開毒品審議委會來檢討 |
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好 那我們看一下這個圖片因為第一線的員警有跟我反應他們在做盤查的時候發現有些人開車很奇怪所以高度懷疑他是依託就吸了這個喪屍煙彈結果抓到的人也承認 |
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可是如果你們有這個衛福部部長不知道知不知道他們在查緝比如說安非他命他員警的檢驗會馬上變色這個從透明的變成接近紅色可是你看這個查衣脫米紙你看得出來他陰性跟陽性很難分如果你是在晚上又更難分因此那天呢這個員警只好放他走了因為他最後驗出來可能看起來像是陰性 |
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什麼時候呢我們這個檢驗設備才能夠一致性可以完善可以讓第一線的人員有擁有好的武器我想這個毒品如果有這樣的一個擔心我想我們應該在毒品審議委員會裡面才提出來 |
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請莊署長看看有沒有如何改善 |
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報告委員,因為我們在鹽檢組其實可以是做這個的檢驗,那我們也有檢驗的方法。但是因為我們那個檢驗沒有辦法在On-site做這個,它這個是一個Kit,馬上當場看。那我們通常在送回鹽檢組做的那個東西都會比較時間會延後,包括它從它的樣品,但是那個方法我們是有。 |
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所以這個方法您要不要跟內政部一起討論一下他們怎麼樣可以做好一個有效率的對因為我想因為這個是他的現場警員他去抓著看的時候他是用一個快篩機那在食藥署事上我們是做的我們都會送回嚴監處有實驗室的方法去做 |
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他現在沒有辦法把他帶回去他沒有辦法用你的那個方法對 那我們這個可能再跟內政部、刑事警察局都可以在時間時間 |
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內政部刑事警察局也可以做跟我們完全一樣的檢驗我知道委員現在是說如果怎麼去開發快篩劑比較有效的我們會跟他們一起討論這個你知道嗎跟其他的毒品比起來它第一線的快篩非常的模糊 |
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我想這個相當重要,我們已經去研發,去跟廠商看看能不能更清楚,因為常常抓到的時候天色是比較暗的,你這也要讓他們很清楚那我也可能會請你們一個月內提供報告給我,到時候要怎麼幫第一線的這些執勤的人員改善他們的配備嘛,不然他們怎麼抓? |
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好,如果改善這個KID的一個鑑別度好,下一個部長其實等一下你如果沒有遇到你上來的時候你也繼續在社群媒體上找找看現在啊,喪屍煙彈網路上還是隨隨便便都有一大堆可以買得到這個剛剛也很多委員問到了啦 |
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從我們之前討論這個兒少私密片等等外流你已經講了其實主席我們今天好像也需要找數位部來感覺你們對於不管是毒品、電子煙、加熱煙等等還有等一下我要討論的你們對於這件事情都束手無策 |
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你是不是至少也發個函給這些搜尋網站請他們配合把這些都關閉掉報告委員這個跟社群網站的部分國民健康署是定期跟這個業者來召開會議那大概是每一季會開一次會議而且我們建立一個綠色通道就彼此在這個keywords上面或是一些關鍵圖片上面做一些彼此的交換 |
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國建署也在這個過程中多次的拜訪幾家比較嚴肅的業者或者是幾家有進步的業者把進步業者的經驗提供給還是持續有在刊登的這些業者所以這件事情是我們很加強力道在跟社群業者來溝通的 |
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因為您今天給的報告就是說你們從112年3月開始加強查緝但是如果部長我跟你一起來做一個網路直播啊我們可以跟一般的人民說你這個衛福部今年1到9月只裁罰了539件平均一天不到兩件你看看下面的留言會怎麼告訴你 |
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剛也已經其他委員講過了你跟電子煙應該要比喪屍煙彈更多然後呢喪屍煙彈查到的違法是你們的兩倍如果行政院我們辦一個這個成果發表會的話衛福部這樣子是很難看的 |
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對,所以那個部長這邊也有指導我們在這個查緝的力道上面要再更加強但是因為我們跟這個法務部不一樣的是淹害防治它有一定的行政程序但我們已經知道要加快這個數字這個可能等一下有很多委員問也會在一個月內針對我們這個 |
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提出檢討報告 |
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這個網站已經被媒體披露了他這個網站已經一年多了如果你想要買安眠藥現在如果你買安眠藥可能醫師會管制他覺得你已經吃太多了不會再開了他只好找非法網站 |
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查出來一開始是衛福部告訴大家說上網買賣問題大再下來是像官方網站他直接把這個stillnose.com的網址都已經註冊下來而且已經一年多了這個問題你們應該也都知道吧所以要怎麼解決 |
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跟委員報告這個事情我們對這個Stenos這個藥品我想最初的時候是由這個網站它去做它其實不是原廠公司的 |
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對,因為他是國外嘛,又回到跟之前一樣的問題啦,兒少性剝削一樣的問題啦。 |
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報告委員後來我們有跟那個Google也有跟那個Microsoft去談這件事情那因為主要的原因是這些網站是在國外而且因為這兩家公平台都是在外面都是在國外那我們現在跟他的管道是這樣如果我們有查到的 |
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我必須說您還蠻幸運的因為這個媒體披露他們把它買回來嘛結果分析了以後是褪黑技術如果是別的東西危害的毒品那真的就完蛋了這個我們現在還在跟台灣自己的網站我們現在只要有查到我們就會馬上請他下架 |
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這邊也告訴你們除了這個史蒂諾斯他這個網站已經成立了一年多你們到現在還沒辦法把它關閉其他各種安眠藥網路上也都買得到還有包括比如說這個社會新聞常看到FM2阿等等的這些可能你們這個神醫會議一定要務必要好好的討論一下好嗎是 |
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最後一個問題希望很快把它帶過但是非常的重要今年已經有兩位小學生一個小五一個小六自殺身亡這個是你們112年自殺防治中心的成果報告你看紅線是15到24歲 |
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這個藍線是14歲以下這兩個曲線是爆炸性的成長通報的速度也是異常的快部長這部分你有掌握到嗎這個我們有瞭解到這種現象 |
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好這邊再給你看另外一個圖比較遺憾的是你看到他通報日就是死亡日0到14歲是73.7%15到19歲是63.8%對比我們下面這些25到35歲之間的人 |
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很難很難在通報前就被我們發現而且做介入好最後給你一個實質的建議這是賴清德競選總統的時候他曾經提出來的他說他希望可以年輕族群心理支持方案向下延伸到小學因為這個方案是你們部裡面滿意度極高的方案他希望可以往下延伸或者是甚至擴大等等的這個名團你知道是誰嗎 |
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民團就是林月琴委員,剛剛的林月琴委員,所以你覺得這方面你有沒有辦法嚴你提出方案? |
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報告委員我們原來是15到30現在已經延伸到45那這個部分就由衛福部來主責那這個在健康台灣裡面也列為非常重要的一點那我們也會以教育部來推展SEL的一個小學就開始有一個更好的心理素質那有關於小學這個部分是教育部在主責我們會跟他來合作 |
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來看看怎麼加強這個部分好 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝陳委員 謝謝部長那接下來我們請邱政軍委員質詢 |
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主席我們有請衛福部邱部長部長請還有法務部我們的郭司長還有刑事局警政監司長部長好委員長最近發生多起稀食依託民脂的事情我想大家都看到很多的新聞 |
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那毒價的重大死亡、車禍、凸顯濫用的問題越來越嚴重那高檢署今天也發布毒情的警示凸顯本席在4月15的時候在這裡要求我們衛福部這個部長、薛部長將麻醉藥品、依托米子、獵味、管制藥品及毒品是非常重要的 |
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因為這件事情在去年9月的時候就查獲有不肖的人士在販賣依托米子那一直到我4月15來提到5月9號我們才說要送成這個管制藥品委員會一直到6月13號我們才送成通過然後到8月15行政院才公告這個列為三級毒品這個過程將近一年的時間 |
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我想這就是我們民進黨政府面對新興毒品的這個態度嗎我想請問部長這是我們政府面對毒品的這個新興毒品的態度嗎 |
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我想政府一直都很重視到不管是藥品的管制或者是毒品的我們一定要等到就是說毒價撞死這個員警才會引起這個社會嘩然的時候才覺得這個很重要如果你們多一點警覺就可以早一點介入這個問題 |
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毒品防治基金一年編列了6億8千多萬元你們對新興毒品這個狀況我覺得掌握的還速度真的非常的慢110年到113年我們政府投入了每年投入150億經費在新世代反毒策略未來4年還要投入150億結果我看到結果跟打詐一樣越打越毒 |
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新興毒品又叫做新興影響精神物質是近年蓬勃發展的一個濫用的統稱販毒的人會找到藉口還沒被管制的藥還沒被定義的毒可能就是下一個變種出來的毒部長你認為呢?你覺得對嗎?你覺得我的看法對不對? |
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我同意那個委員的一個因為販毒集團把伊多米子比喻為平體版的海洛因意思就是說有海洛因的效果但是沒有海洛因的罪也比較便宜8月5日列為三級毒品以後你們認為這個狀況會減少嗎? |
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我相信我們不管是在衛福部在從因為我覺得對販毒的人來說有利可圖他就會繼續做而且他們知道被抓之後法官也不會信任 |
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因為我們列入三級毒品對吃藥的奶來說它只要持有5公克以下最多就罰5萬元要5公克以上才有刑責那依照警方破獲的計算這個計算方式1.3公斤的伊多米子原料可以製成15000個煙彈 |
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這個問題要不要解答? |
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跟委員報告就是有關於伊托米子要不要升級的部分升級到二級的一個部分那本部部長已經交代我們在禮拜一就已經發函給各機關在收集資料預計準備審理是不是要把它對啦這個就跟K他命一樣啦這個就是你看到前面的K他命就一樣你一直把它列在三級毒品他沒有辦法沒有到二級毒品他就不會減少而且你們知道嗎我們 |
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三四級毒品我們目前使用就是破獲最高的年齡層都是在青少年身上對不對我這個數據沒有錯吧沒有錯 |
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對,所以呢,我們的年輕人是我們國家未來的動糧支柱,也是每一個家庭的重心。我覺得政府應該要在這個地方更加把勁,更能把這個問題盡快來解決。我不曉得我們在列為二級毒品、一級毒品,或者是三級毒品,你們的標準在哪裡? |
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根委員報告這個標準就是包括有是不是有成癮性、有氾濫性、對社會危害性這個三個要件由毒品審議委員那你們會不會覺得太慢因為我們三個月開一次如果有必要我們就會加開這個會議我覺得我們的程序太冗長你知道嗎因為毒品毒品的東西這種新興毒品它只要換個名稱它就可以上來我們怎麼追 |
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一定要等到社會案件發生的時候,我們才來檢討,是不是一切都太慢?根委員報告,我們有兩個預警的機制,一個預警的機制就是跨國比較,一個預警的機制是在我們臺高檢有一個預警的平台,只要我發現衛內館的先進演講所以你們各跨部會,你們都會有做橫向的聯繫?有橫向聯繫,是是怎麼聯繫? |
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因為我們臺高檢署有一個緝毒小組緝毒督導小組這個他就有固定的開會在各地檢署有一個執行緝毒執行小組每季開支會這個包括社政、衛政以及這個教育部 |
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可以給我嗎? |
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根委員報告可不可以給我們一個月時間,因為可以他...你們昨天的那個獨審會的會議紀錄,那個叫投票紀錄我要的是每一個獨審會審查委員的一個意見,他們的意見是什麼?根委員報告,那個審查意見涉及到每個獨...那個委員的一個意見發表,跟他專業的陳述,所以 |
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在整個會議記錄可能比較不方便提供給你不需要寫他的名字我只要知道原因 |
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可以嗎?原因可以吧?我們回去整理之後盡可能的...因為我現在發現,現在伊多米子它幾乎都是跟我們的電子煙綁在一起對不對?那電子煙變成它的一個載具,這沒錯吧?那以後你查緝怎麼查緝? |
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你K他命他在吸食K煙的時候是會有味道而且旁邊的人都會知道那你這個東西是沒有味道你到時候查緝怎麼辦這不像酒駕你吹一下他就可以有數據啊你未來要怎麼處理根本報告一通名指有沒有味道我不是前線的第一線查緝認為都不清楚我不曉得警政署這邊有關於 |
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有嗎?警政署報告有關警政署在查緝伊托米子部分我們分有兩大策略第一個是我們從源頭那我們看這個伊托米子現在看起來我們國內是沒有製造的查緝紀錄所以我們看到我們刑事局有查獲的案件網站上都有教學這個是源頭第二個是需求面 |
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那需求面的話我們會對於吸食跟教育的場所我們會加強傾收跟查緝那在網路上現在最廣泛的是在網路上去做教育那這個部分我們警政署都列入重點的一個查緝所以我們在今年的10月份1號到14號有做一個主題是系統性的以及全國性的查緝也查緝了很多場那我們的那個保治大隊也查獲了很多那個電子煙彈以上報告 |
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對啦 去年我看到我們各縣市查到50萬件那僅開罰1247件承擔數是非常的低啦而公然吸食電子煙我也很少看到說有取締的因為它可能隱藏在這裡面我們根本沒有發現因為教育部我們對校園這個校園毒品防制一直提不出有效的一個改善對策現在衣托米子又來了 |
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那電子煙又變成一個載具的時候,煙商卻邀請我們的學生在校園下尋找下線,賺取零用錢。這些都是校園這個防治的這個防毒的一個破口。我想請問教育部,你在這邊這個部分,你們除了檢討村會專案之外,針對最新的依托米子及電子煙入侵校園的校園學生成為下線的這個新的防治措施是什麼? |
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跟委員報告我們最重要是要幫助我們的教職員工理解認識電子煙跟這個他的煙彈的這個辨識以及看得出來嗎 |
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如果他有如果拿出來可能會有學生檢舉那是檢舉嗎?你這樣看到他你知道他是有意含依託名詞嗎?那怎麼分辨?那個他需要送檢驗才能知道對啊所以所以你們你們這個我覺得這個速度都太慢了政府應該拿出一套有效的方法讓第一線的執行的執行的員警再加上我們學校的這些教職員他能夠很容易的去分辨這種東西那其實很好分辨啊為什麼因為現在你煙電子煙就是違法 |
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是對不對你就直接處理啦是要等到什麼時候呢是對不對先處理再說啊可以直接提報這個衛生黨部長好啦教育部要加油啦好不好我希望你們動作積極一點是謝謝那我也希望說我們我們 |
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這些新興的毒品的分級分類一定要落實而且速度要加快不然的話我講真的新的毒品影響的就是青少年它對國家的危害是真的是非常的大我請法務部還有我們警政署還有我們衛福部這邊一起大家一起努力好不好好謝謝謝謝邱委員還有部長來請邱委員來代理主席 |
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那我這裡先告 王振旭委員發言完畢 後我們休息10分鐘接下來邀請我們廖偉祥委員謝謝主席 有請我們部長 |
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委員好部長你好今天討論這個議題是非常嚴重的一個議題那自我們《煙害防治法》112年的3月22日開始公告實施全面禁止電子煙至今也超過一年半 |
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但是我們可以在大街小巷其實可以看到很多民眾或者是各個地方甚至校園都可以看到這個吸食電子煙的狀況而且電子煙的載具跟它那個煙油是可以輕易購買取得那我想執法不力是最大的一個原因之一 |
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衛福部資料顯示,從今年9月中央及地方衛生局依《煙害防治法》裁罰639件電子煙違規案件,平均一天不到2件,今年2月至4月甚至只有4件 |
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那7月7到9月的暑假大概是294件那反觀我們全國的警方7月到9月同一期間查獲喪屍煙油違法案件是681件為衛福部的2.3倍我想要請問部長這樣的數字是不是反映衛福部對於非法新興煙品的怠惰跟失職因為這個數據差太多因為我們衛福部是用安海黃之華來 |
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這部分你們有什麼辦法可以加強執法的部分因為這個數字真的差太多光喪失煙油在警察的這個同一期間7到9月2個月就是690幾件 |
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對 跟委員報告其實我們除了實際開立處分書之外我們的這個查緝的力道就是包括稽查的這個案件書也到高達23萬件次當然就如部長所說的查緝如果違法的話他必須依照煙害防治法的行政程序來完成好 我跟你說啦這個在國建署的調查反正國中生還有跟高中職生的電子煙使用率 |
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分別是從2018年的1.9%與3.4%到2021年上升到3.9%跟8.8%的2021年到現在2024年我想最新的數據只會多不會少所以代表這個執法的結果論來看就是有問題就是有問題這不然怎麼可能比例越來越高呢這個電子煙的使用比例這麼高 |
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我希望你們可以思考一下到底應該要怎麼樣把這件事情讓它的這個比率不要再持續的升高甚至要下降再來電子煙最可怕的危害是裡面不知道加了什麼東西嘛對不對我想你們也很頭痛但裡面到底加了什麼東西那刑事局的統計警方今年1月至8月查獲的電子煙油案是1415件那送檢吶吶含這個大麻的部分大概是53%喵喵卡西桶是28% |
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上司菸油依托米子6.1%我想剛剛很多人問了所以這6.1%剛剛在短短的7到9月就抓了這麼多代表有非常多的黑素在外面亂竄還有安非他命0.6%那混分部分混合兩種以上毒品 |
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也就是說電子煙的載具實際上就是載具它已經成為了吸食毒品的工具那結合將近10%的高中生電子煙的吸食率毒品進入校園的情況是非常非常的嚴重我想要請問一下因為我看到很多大家都在講電子煙可能在講那煙油煙彈我想問一下載具的部分有哪一個單位管理載具的部分是衛福部管嗎 |
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採聚是衛福部管嗎?燕子煙是我們管理採聚,它下面的採聚,所以你們整個這樣管起來都是屬於你們?對,燕子煙是我們管理都是屬於你們管理嗎?但是如果採聚裡面含有其他的物質,比如說毒品的話,就會依毒品防治條例來做管理好,所以基本上採聚是你們管理,是包含那個煙油也都是你們管嗎?就是整支對不對?都是你們管?燕子煙是我們管 |
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電子煙是包含載具加上煙油還是你是分開來是合在一起合在一起那如果拆開來都算是你的嘛對不對就是不管是載具或是跟委員報告如果這個煙彈本身是含有其他物質那就有其他的法律來協同管沒關係但我只是想要說那誰要負責去把這件事情管控好就是說不會有這麼多非法的電子煙的載具 |
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因為現在情況是這樣加熱煙是加強管制但是不禁止那電子煙是完全禁止對不對但現在問題就是兩者外型也很相似嘛你可以看一下現在甚至有這種那你要怎麼算這種就是一方面是加熱煙後面可以抽電子煙那這個你有辦法你怎麼管理目前為止是全禁包括加熱煙跟電子煙都是全禁加熱煙就是不是加強管制 |
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現在還沒有任何一個品牌通過所以現在目前市面上加熱力更電所以照理說你全部看到全部都應該要禁止嘛對不對可是現在的比例就是很糟糕啊對不對所以我想問說那未來未來如果這兩個混在一起你要怎麼去把它分辨出來我們會再瞭解清楚瞭解清楚它混在一起使用的一個狀態 |
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所以你們現在有掌握這個狀態嗎?我們目前知道是有混用但是因為它都是全面禁止兩種煙品都是全面禁止的所以我們是全面查緝的這部長但是現在情況不是將加熱煙視為你們想要視為是3C然後衛福部沒有什麼想要管理嗎?你們把加熱煙變成視為3C產品 |
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委員其實加熱煙是因為它的煙草柱本身是煙草所以我們納入《煙害防治法》來管轄那按照我們的法裡面的部分它必須經過我們健康風險評估後才能夠上市所以截至目前為止沒有任何一家 我想要問那之前有你們有在說你們覺得加熱煙載具視為3C這件事情 |
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加熱煙的載具是經濟部管轄我們管轄上面的那個煙草柱對那你現在就是會變成是你模糊不清你剛剛說加熱煙這些也算是那你現在加熱煙載具又算是經濟部管轄 |
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我們會跟經濟部管轄加熱菸的載具所以我的問題就點出這個嘛就是到底你剛一下子說這個管那個管然後不同部好像變成是到底是誰誰要負這個權責所以導致你現在很難你剛自己又露出來又說這個是經濟部你剛又說全部是你管 |
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這是有電子煙跟加熱煙兩種所以我要提醒部長就是現在網路就是很氾濫你可以否認嗎?現在氾濫這件事情你可以否認嗎?不能嘛,對不對?到處都是買得到啊所以你看這PTT上面喔甚至有什麼電子的品牌叫做自己叫Canty啊Vape電子煙專門店啊煙導賞啊到處買得到甚至透過便利商店還可以在這個交貨付款啊 |
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所以我想要問你們這個部分包含剛剛這個模糊不清的這個權責你們到底可不可以統一要統一的去處理這件事情因為你現在連你自己的報告上面我覺得很可笑是這樣子啊你的今天這份報告你們說中央與地方透過加強茶氣、電子煙等類煙品予以重罰將可避免電子煙彈電子煙彈這個成為毒品載具你寫出這句話 |
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結論是這樣嗎?對不對?所以你現在這樣笑我不懂你的笑是什麼意思啊就是你寫出來是你們說你們現在加強然後透過中央地方可以避免可是結果就不是這樣啊 |
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所以這部分我真的是希望部長請加油你們可不可以給本席或是給委員會一個報告就是說究竟你們這個權責應該怎麼分因為你現在講出來都是空話你並沒有結論並不是這樣結果並不是這樣現在就是事實上在校園裡面就是非常多的這種電子煙品 2021年8.8%現在多少% |
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這個是很誇張的事情我想這個必須要我們一起努力跨部會來努力所以你不能說只有跨部會努力這個部分到底誰要到時候你們要整合起來剛剛報告這個部分是我們站在煙害防治法方面我們會中央地方要合作應該是可以減少這樣的一個電子M的使用那當然這個剛剛也有提到校園或者是 |
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所以我意思是這個東西到底推來推去就會有問題啊所以你到底怎麼跨部會整合真的是可以有一個強而有力的執法這個是重要的事情我們必須要保護我們尤其是兒少的一個健康我想這是國人非常擔心的事情這個一定我們絕對不會推卸任何責任一定是全力來跟各部會全力來努力 |
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請教部長現在各種醫事機構在經營上是不是比較困難?因為本席從9月底到現在不斷接獲醫藥相關的團體陳情這個電費調漲的事宜那我其實上次也跟你問過跟你請託過製藥產業跟藥局的電價是不是可以予以動長或見面? |
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那我今天要再針對這些所有的醫事機構包含這個諮商所、物療所跟驗光所也就是行業類別是869的各類的醫事機構跟你請託我當初也拜託你去跟經濟部行政院反映棟長店家 |
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部長我想政府現在正在推動這個健康台灣的政策要有健康台灣就要有完整的醫療的照護體系那各個醫事機構無論是醫院或是藥局或是社區等等都是這個都在社區的第一線我想他們就是健康台灣的根基不是嗎 |
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那現在醫療機構大部分受限於健保給付所以就是各類的醫事服務的健保給付如果沒有增加物價通膨、電費高漲的情況之下部長你覺得這樣子健康台灣的根基這個各類的各類的這種醫療機構、醫師機構會不會有所影響會不會也有可能影響到人民就醫的這個的品質或成本 |
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報告委員謝謝您為議院跟藥局的爭取那這個部分都已經是動長了我知道這是過去發生的事情所以我剛剛說這件事情各個其他的醫師類別我們 |
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都會非常尊重而且來希望我們也希望他把他們對但是其實過去你們一直掛16萬然後我們會轉給經濟部但是絕對沒有說因為您寫的說衛福部沒找到經濟部公司因為經濟部長是啊我那天就問他經濟部長我就問他說欸那個我們的衛福部長到底有沒有來找你他支支吾吾不敢講啊 |
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因為那天我去問他喔,他跟我說你沒有找他嘛 |
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後續的部分我們已經轉給經濟部就是說後續那個您剛剛講的其他的議事相關的我們已經把那個陳千涵也要給經濟部那經濟部會去請審議方面說真的我是覺得除了這個轉涵之外你想我想您還可以再多做一些努力畢竟你是衛福部長你可以真的瞭解這些狀況請你也可以多努力一點不是只是我轉過去而已你又不是總機對不對 |
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我會跟那個行業講說明說大概他可以這樣怎麼樣去論述會比較對所以我希望你不要成為一個總機部長好不好你不要轉過去就好這些人一直不斷的在承受這些狀況我們會給他專列的指導好謝謝部長好謝謝好謝謝廖偉強委員接下來我們請蘇清泉委員 |
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什麼叫做一二級毒品是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
6917.515 |
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6938.521 |
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什麼叫三四級毒品?說不說得清楚?那一二級毒品它抓的力道跟三四級毒品抓的力道有沒有不一樣?跟委員報告這個一二三四級毒品的一個分類就是依照剛剛跟委員報告的依照它的成癮性氾濫性 |
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那個以及對社會危害性這三大要件來做判斷然後經過這個我們法務部跟衛生部成立的毒品審議委員會的委員審議通過把它列為哪一個級、哪一個等級的毒品所以我們在說的海洛因、鴉片這都是一二級毒品嗎?那是第一級毒品那我們 |
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三、四級毒品它的取締的力道就比較不要嗎因為三、四級毒品的話適用都是在行政法裡面那如果持有部分是要達到一定的量才會刑訴處罰所以這個伊多米子就是Adrominate |
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7011.108 |
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這個是這個是我跟我們麻醉科請教我昨天還特別跟他請教齁他那個就是要麻醉的induction的藥而已嘛跟Propofol差不多嘛那他們認為Propofol比這個還好用欸那怎麼這個東西是怎麼來的現在醫院都不再用這種藥了吧不再用這種藥阿台灣還有在生產嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7017.276 |
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7035.43 |
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報告委員現在在全臺灣的使用量大概一萬支一年一萬支對而且都是輸入的當然它是因為是自費所以這個藥本自費的嘛健保不幾戶對健保沒有幾戶婆婆婆有幾戶吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7037.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7059.331 |
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因為這個報告委員因為這個在以前在這個案子發生之前其實這個藥是沒有列管的他不是管制藥品所以你現在這樣四級變三級我覺得那個根本沒什麼意義啊這個藥從哪裡來是國外進來的嗎幾百公斤多少這是外地來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7062.138 |
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7069.44 |
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警政署那是委託?警政署這麼多單位在灌,灌到未來什麼都沒在灌嗎?多頭馬車嘛,這個根本是不搞啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7078.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7096.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
報告委員 這個我們現在在食藥署的收視上他的原料我們是管他在藥品上那他如果沒有拿到藥品許可證他沒有許可進來的他一律都是當作毒品所以是用燒出一百還是枉過一百也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7098.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7099.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
所以都是走私漁船什麼丟包進來的? |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7121.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7141.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
我們東港外海每天都很忙碌我都不曉得要丟什麼那個通常三班那組每天都在載我都不知道在載什麼所以這個藥是要用IV打混到食物裡面有效嗎 署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
7149.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7165.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
報告委員 據我們了解伊兔米子加災菸油最早是在中國大陸他們開始有在使用他們才會有這個東西我們當時知道的情形其實我們有 署理有去查過這個要在112年以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
7168.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7168.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7189.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7189.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
這個沒辦法回答捏齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7209.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7232.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這個unlabel不是在醫藥上正常的使用那這個跟K他們、安威他們就用那個冷氣口然後給他用煙燻的讓小孩子進去到網咖就很爽很嗨是一樣的意思嘛所以小孩子一天到晚泡網咖就是他用在出風口冷氣出風口一整塊用噴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7234.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7240.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
那這個藥是不是將來網咖也會這樣出現?這個都要注意捏我們在哈爾法針對這個藥理 藥理作用法務部、警政署都要注意這個那你如果抓到 那現在這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7258.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7275.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
伊東米子你是用驗尿還是抽血?剛剛在講那個Pest不準什麼光線啊什麼是用Gmask做還是用快篩?快篩是用尿液還是尿液嗎?用什麼單位?你也不知道?第一線那個KID是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7284.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7295.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
你們是用尿液還是用尿液?尿液尿液尿液喔?所以就叫一通就解尿然後就直接用快篩這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7297.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7321.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
報告委員那我們警方是一個執法單位所以他要有合法我們在比如說我們從他的這一個違價的行為當中攔下來合法攔查之後有看到他有毒品那我們就進入刑事訴訟的這個程序可以合法的逮捕我們才會進行後續的尿液或是甚至申請鑑定許可的血液這是一個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7321.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7329.899 |
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所以你那個KIT是驗胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺胺 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7349.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7349.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
已經有採過這一些快篩試劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7355.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7379.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
所以是警政署採購快篩試劑快篩試劑進來的核准是食藥署?這樣嗎?沒有?報告委員因為它不是醫療器材所以不是有我們核准要抓到即使有比得很痛苦顏色會有光線的問題然後出來是有positive又怎麼樣?行政罰款? |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
7381.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7387.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
所以你把它列成3、4級毒品根本是毫無意義啊對於打壓這個保定 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7391.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7410.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
那個已經在研議了對,跟委員報告如果是製造、運輸、販賣是5年以上有期徒刑剛剛委員提到的施用目前是行政處分而已啦對啊,那行政處分根本沒有賀止作用啊跟那個委員報告我們已經在準備研議是不是要把它升級 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7412.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7429.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
那升到一二級是有困難嗎?如果升到一二級那還得了那所有的什麼什麼一些什麼命的全部都打入那你們不是忙死了嗎?根本報告這個要經過毒品審議委員會的審議所以很難?不是很難要資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7431.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7458.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
讓這個委員審理完了之後看能不能贊成要不要把他升級所以部長伊東米子本來沒在這三四級都不是現在把他拉到第四現在把他提升到第三對不對還沒有第三還沒有過第四第四是六月過了那那個毒品這邊是第三這樣你們怎麼好那這樣有沒有效果所以要加快腳步啊然後這個 |
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7460.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7489.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
緊接著跟虐童什麼都有相關他就說他疏疏的、吃汁的、就氣笑、怕孩子、孩子怕怕死現在氣到法官、法官、我們有法官我們那個、那個市委員、刑事廳的法官有法官就像這樣說他意識混亂所以怕死孩子,這樣不是死刑虐死的也沒事每一件都匯除死刑每一件都撤銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7491.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7496.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那這樣是一連串的惡性循環你們怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7505.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7527.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
跟委員報告,法院這邊其實如同我們今天所說的書面報告在108到12年已經判決關於販賣毒品有罪次數高達88,830罪次所以其實已經有在做依法審判、依法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7529.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7530.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
關於個案我們是尊重個案法官的審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7558.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7572.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
那這個最後啦齁你禁止加味煙然後呢抽煙人口轉如加味毒品不定這樣會不會啊你的煙煎也沒有啊煙水也減少這樣要怎麼鋪你的長照 |
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7578.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7581.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
世界衛生組織有特別呼籲各國的政策制定者應該禁止在煙品中添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7598.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7625.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
會引誘會增加這個吸入的添加物包括這個風味的添加物等等所以我們在新的氧化防治法中就把這個添加物的這個禁用添加物把它列入我的母法那至於要禁用的這個是用風味歐盟跟美國確實是用風味可是加拿大跟巴西他們的立法中是用副表表列的方式因為副表表列 |
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7625.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7653.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那你們27種都不能加你們是怎麼我們大概是參考因為我們開了5次的國際會議來瞭解各國的執行方式所以大概是參考加拿大的做法他是正面表列是哪一些不能添加未來因為這個有正面表列我們在依法管理跟採取上面會比較有依據那當然這件事情還在預告結束之後有13000多則我們正在收納意見所以你這個是怎麼去盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7655.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7677.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
你說我正面表列27項都不能加,結果呢?他加了,阿你又怎麼樣?你有辦法做differential嗎?就是現在就是要再跟加拿大合作這個部分,來看看怎麼樣做這個檢驗跟檢驗我是怕轉入加惠毒品要死啊,你煙煙如果蓋不住,煙水如果蓋不住就一年三八月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
7678.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7705.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
阿所以 長照基金就沒了這個是牽扯的所以這理由一定要加強啦好不好謝謝大家啦 大家都起來聽聽都阿婆阿婆人家在負主責啊應該是你要法務部或者是你衛福部來做牽頭大家處一個任務編處這樣才有辦法不然各行其事有在報部會的努力聯席的努力謝謝好 謝委 謝謝召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
7706.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7726.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
好,謝謝蘇清泉委員接下來我們請王振旭委員好,非常感謝主席我們也請邱部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
7733.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7737.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
法制國家有一定的流程要去檢討、要去討論、要去面對很多很多的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
7749.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7760.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
依照我們今天的主題似乎必須要再加把勁同時所有的主管機關也必須要有所應應例如說可能要做一個什麼快速打擊部隊之類的針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
7764.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7766.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
主委院長政府宣誓要積極打擊毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
7793.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
7810.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
要落實這個無毒家園的願請所以在4年裡面預計要編列150億來持續推動第三期的這個新世代的緩毒策略來讓這個新興毒品的氾濫可以得到有效的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
7810.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
那其中有一個重要的部分就是要做一些尿液的檢測檢查那剛剛有很多委員都說你了解說你夜間突然抓到一個疑似犯的時候你怎麼去判斷他是不是真的使用到了這個的確是有他執行上必須要在精進的地方那到今年7月為止已經有2.8件以上的這些檢查檢驗已經超過 |
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主席 |
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除了量以外這個值要怎麼做才會方便又能夠達到實際上的成效那這部分不知道部長目前有沒有什麼樣的因應作為我想衛福部站在專業的立場針對各種藥物的一個藥性它的影響各方面都會提供專業的一個 |
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建議給相關的一個部會包括法務部、內政部、證書等等的大家共同有一個依據來分析來想辦法來實踐我們一個新世代的一個環圖的一個計畫那自己說這個量的夠不夠是不是法務部方面有沒有要那個再來說明一下 |
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王委員的意思是 |
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我們第三期的工作重點我們可以看到在持續全國尿液的廣篩檢驗量能第二期是14萬件第三期的目標值是21.5萬件最右下角的地方法務部的長官也有提到這其實是由法務部購入的你們在編的時候有沒有針對於再過來的變化有哪一些的預期性的因應 |
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跟委員報告,法務部主責的部分是緝毒的策略,查緝的緝毒策略那有關於煙毒的部分,煙毒的部分不是本部的主責的部分,煙毒的部分應該是 |
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您剛問的事實上他在尿液檢驗方面事實上這個尿液驗毒的其實不是衛福部的職 |
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主席 |
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苗葉認證的機構可以執行它的檢查其中15家科它可以執行新興毒品你的尿液檢查當然科檢查項目有44項其中擁有36項是屬於新興毒品 |
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那這20家的檢驗的結果那因為是食藥署認證的所以我們有規定他們在檢驗後的結果會給一定要報到食藥署那食藥署會把統計資料就是到底有多少的量會公告在食藥署的網站那因為這個是民間的實驗室所以他的大概的量大概是有 |
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是因為靠檢證署委託去檢驗他們的所以到底他的量能會需要多少這個食藥署手上現在是沒有資料所以除了食藥署負責後面的這些處理以外那相關單位應該是要由誰來進行這方面的盤查呢 |
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這不知道什麼人可以說明一下我想剛剛食藥史有報告齁我們是認證齁我們去那個辦理濫用藥物的一個飲料液檢查實驗室的認證齁那他的一個統計的資料也都由食藥史來官網來公布各界來參考齁那個應該這個部分是至於那個檢驗 |
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機構這個部分是由內政部的警政署來委託檢驗標案來處理的所以是不是請部長這邊再根據這個區域我們來瞭解一下那邊的一個量的一個那一塊看會不會有一個初步的報告沒問題沒問題我們都是跨部會一起在努力的再來就是這個這個案件是什麼應該是我們會請警政署去盤整跟提出來好 |
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再過來剛剛有提到很多加速新興毒品認定期程嘛因為我們知道說這個去年9月這個一坨米紙就已經造成很大的衝擊跟困擾那目前我們知道就是每三個月定期檢討這真的是實際上太不符合現在的需要那什麼時候會進行或召開臨時會議或者是根據這個毒品危害防治條例過來因應 |
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除了說臨時開會以外那還有沒有其他的一些因應措施什麼情形下會臨時開會跟委員報告我們那個定期是每3個月開一次會那如果有必要的時候就會召開那我們9月份才剛開完獨省會獨省會即使已經有 |
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有關於這個在國內還沒有出現但是在聯合國的這個毒品以及犯罪防治辦公室裡面有列了一項我們就把它列為二級毒品另外也列了兩個先驅顏料作為四級的這個先驅的毒品那剛委員提到的就是說伊東米子的部分我們已經在禮拜一級已經發案在收集資料 |
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我們預計在下個月收集完了之後預計在下個月的月底或者12月初就會召開這個毒品審議委員會來給這個毒品審議委員的委員來做一個參考是不是要把那個伊通鼻子把它升級到二級毒品以上報告 |
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好 謝謝希望能夠越確快越好那另外就是說這個毒品的部分是由毒品危害防治條例來制定那事實上行政院也會根據這個刑法第185之3公告毒品的項目這兩項到底有連結嗎 |
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會不會說我這邊這個毒品原來防治條例公布的內容跟這個行政院針對刑法1853公告的毒品項目有那些不一致造成在執法上的一些困境跟委員報告有關於這個毒價的185條之3的第三項就是尿液跟血液所含的毒品有一定的預值就會構成185條之3的第三項的罪者的話 |
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其實前提就是要衛福部的食藥署要公告那一個毒品的欲值 |
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一直達到那個意旨就會直接過成這個罪名那在12月去年的12月其實這個衛部已經公告了我記得是38項的這個毒品意旨的一個公告那有關伊東米子的部分我們已經也拜託這個食藥署這一部分能夠盡快的把這個檢驗的意旨把它訂出來 |
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我們就可以升級之後就可以用這個即便沒升級啦就是一直公告了之後就可以試用185-3的這個第三款的規定來加以處罰在還沒有一直沒公告之前我們可以用第四款的一個規定但是要證明他有私用毒品 |
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最後跟部長討論 |
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媽媽的子女造成了困難或困擾因為剛剛我稍微有提到這些使用毒品的家長當他尤其是媽媽小孩子出生的時候造成的這些影響因為臺灣少子化這麼嚴重老家的毒癮媽媽 |
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有剩下這個小朋友來的話,我想這個困境就會更高因為依據我們現在所知道的這個死亡率,如果是父母有一方使用鴉片的話,成癮是2.3倍的死亡率那如果媽媽本身是鴉片要劣的,成癮者是3.9倍這是要作謝的地方那針對這個毒癮媽媽未來在做相關的這些產檢檢查,或者是所需要的這些相關的服務部分 |
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這邊也期待部長能夠多關心也讓全臺灣如果有因為這個毒品越來越造成民眾影響的過程當中如何能夠同時去保護下一代這個要麻煩博定委員會責成毒防中心來強化懷孕要引護你特殊需求的照顧還有他的家庭的需求的評估 |
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好,謝謝王委員、謝謝部長,休息10分鐘 |
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這有電嗎?兩個 |
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好,那我們繼續開會。我們接續請劉建國委員質詢。好,謝謝主席。有請部長。國健署應該可以一起上來吧。 |
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98年我們通過這個煙害防治法的修正以後最主要還是要治理青少年的煙害防治那這幾年我們確實也看到這個青少年的使用傳統煙品的比例有所降低 |
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但是根據國健署的統計我們未滿18歲的青少年使用新興煙品的比例正在逐年上升部長可以看這個資料其實110年那初估有7.9萬的未成年青少年正在使用電子煙資料顯示108年使用電子煙佔高中生的約5.6%但是到了110年卻暴增到8.8% |
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這下一張圖表應該就顯示出來齁然後因為我們以前是每年都公布啦到108的時候就變成兩年公布一次所以我明明看到109108是5.6那114年就變成到這個8.8%齁這個數據應該部長可以看得清楚嘛那我這個新的煙害防治法的上路是在去年 |
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到現在我們全面已經來禁止這個電子煙了及電子煙有的製造還有輸入、販賣、供應等等等這段時間那青少年使用電子煙的比例是上升還是下降?部長知道嗎? |
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可不可以請健康署看看有沒有做調查 |
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報告委員112年我們有針對這個國高中生使用的這個部分有做調查那現在正在做全數的一個處理應該很快的時間就會公佈這個112年使用狀況 |
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所以簡單說就是112年到現在為止都還沒有正確的數據可以給部長可以給委員會可以給社會大眾做參考初步的數據因為還在最後的校準那就我之前看到在上個禮拜我們看到的數據應該還沒有經過校準所以我比較保守的說那目前看起來的增加的趨勢沒有我們想像中的那麼快速 |
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沒有我們想像中我們是指你跟我還是你跟部長不是因為跟我原報告其實電子煙這個問題確實很嚴重我舉例來講在澳洲你就講得很嚴重了為什麼你還講說沒有我們想像中我們是指我們是指誰 |
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抱歉委員因為在澳洲現在已經113塊到年底了嘛對不對那你為什麼112年而且你們是兩年嘛對108年之後你就改為兩年來公告一次嘛公布一次嘛因為跟國人吸煙調查是用間隔年來做是啊是啊間隔年沒有錯啊但是為什麼到現在112年年底 |
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的資料沒辦法顯示出來因為主要是我們這個的調查是跟美國CDC合作所以在三四月的時候美國CDC在那個整個加權上面有一些調整所以我們在配合這個調整的權數希望更準確的數字可以提供各界做參考三四月配合到現在 |
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你的30月是112年30月還是112年?今年今年30月那到現在已經也所以我們即將要公告這個好,你的即將公告是什麼時候?大約應該可以在11月公告11月公告好,謝謝接下來部長你看這兩則新聞這景荒坡最大的電子煙工廠查購90萬的這個煙彈那市值破億那另外一個是高雄小黃司機大汪浪警檢來驗電子煙油結果結果驗出三級毒品 |
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就是這個一粒棉FM2的這個三級的毒品成分結果它瞬間下不出來它是原本是很有自信的喔它不以為它是抽到什麼結果一驗出來就變成這個樣子所以我是講說 |
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如果連這樣這樣單純的去抽這個電子煙不曉得煙有什麼成分然後連這樣一個司機都不會以為他抽到這個毒品結果卻抽到了所以這個事情我是覺得非常嚴重 |
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所以是不是衛生部、教育部甚至今天警政署的相關的官員有到嗎?然後在針對這個電子煙在校園的流竄有沒有什麼更積極的作為?有嗎?我們麻煩教育部來 |
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各位委員在校園的部分我們是結合校園的健康促進計畫加強教職員工對於這個電子煙以及加熱煙的這個外型的辨識以及造成的危害的認識那透過學生就是透過平常教職員工對於學生的接觸瞭解觀察學生是不是有使用或者攜帶相關物品的狀況如果有的話會進行檢查以及通報這個衛生局開罰 |
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那你們這邊有沒有針對就是高中生以下的就教育部這邊自己去做跟教育部有配合去做調查這個比例有多高有沒有在主點上升 |
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跟委員報告因為這個部分是因為近期內才列為這個管制以及這個毒品的部分是沒有錯沒有錯這段期間在香港通報的部分確實有大概有一些件數不過就是只有短期間內所以很難看到趨勢從去年到現在嘛對不對所以很短時間很難去看到這個趨勢也是這樣嘛是所以你們預計啦就是說就當當就從去年這個煙災防治法修正之後就應該開始就有一個 |
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這個建制的一個作為應該是怎麼講從去年、今年甚至到明年是不是你們會向國健署這樣兩年公告一次會嗎跟委員報告我們對於那個通報的部分因為都透過校安通報的部分每年都會有通報的數據跟統計好 謝謝我為什麼要講這件事情那個你是警務署的教育部對不起 對不起 教育部 |
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今天大家有很多委員都談到這個喪屍煙彈那從底的部分我就不再贅述我只是簡單強調一下我請問這個喪屍煙彈我們可以去立即做判斷是我有吸食 |
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最快的方式就是這個快篩試劑嘛對不對對不對檢控署看起來是這樣子是用快篩試劑最快部長替這個檢控署打呼也很好了齁 |
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10月15號的時候新北市議會有特別針對當時新北市警局有提出來說這個快餐4劑目前為止他們是採購了1360劑但實際上他們需求將近高達8000劑 |
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那我寫下結束詞這部長你可能就很難答覆了他的8000劑到位了嗎包委員根據我們毒氣中心我是警政署刑事局的毒氣中心主任根據我們的瞭解新北市他們現在又採購了8000的已經到位了到位了好那全國的需求 |
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六都啦,就六都來講新北市就已經在10月15號當時是沒有辦法到位,那你現在跟我討論是到位了那全國針對這種快篩試劑,因為它可以直接代表你警政署代表國家要向這個上次菸蛋的做宣戰嘛的一個最好的一個武器嘛,對不對?好,那全國需要這樣的一個快篩試劑的量,你們到位了嗎? |
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現在根據我們的統計全國已經買了快一萬劑了那這縣市各縣市快一萬劑新北市就佔了八千劑喔八千劑不包含新北的八千劑不包含新北八千劑不包含對嘛啊一個新北市六都就叫八千劑了那你現在準備一萬劑那顯然全台連其他五都都不夠啦 |
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報告委員這個各縣市他們會依照他們的實際的需求量去做一些採購那目前是採1萬劑那陸續會這個滾動的檢討來採購你這個滾動檢討來採購你大致上可以檢討到什麼時候有一個定案 |
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你是滾動檢討我清楚啦但是你這樣檢討我是不好意思跟你講你這樣檢討是很奇怪的一件事情因為新北市就要到八千那你現在檢診所才備用一萬那你到底知道什麼樣的檢討室檢討室的檢討我有點聽不太清楚我就講嘛就一個新北市就要八千了嘛你其他你這一萬也來不及供應這五都啊況且還有17個縣市啊 |
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報告委員,我們會請他們再加強,然後我們也會去盤點的需求量。一個先行列好不好,這事情要快速啦。一個先行列,你把這個到底要供給多少的快篩試劑,我們來打擊這個上市煙彈的積極作為,提供給本委員參考好不好。可以,謝謝。好,謝謝。這最後我就要問部長了。部長,桃園部立院,他表示這個先行的毒品沒有藥物可以直接戒除腥炎。 |
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我們不立院啦齁不立院對對對所以民眾有時候要求助卻無門所以他在10月起每週二下午開設這個成癮治療門診提供地檢署轉介 |
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關起住戒癮治療服務也陪伴有益戒癮的民眾來探究這個成癮的根源所以我覺得桃園不利醫院來率先做這事情非常好那是不是全國的不利醫院都可以一併來做這樣的實施來設置所有開設這個相關的專診可以嗎 |
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如果有這個需要我們會去努力好那我就請部長這邊是不是折承一下讓他們來做一個檢討嘛既然台灣部立院都已經開了嘛是的對不對那其他部列是不是一併來來做這樣的一個門診的設立好不好好謝謝好謝謝主席好謝謝林委員謝謝部長那接續我們請羅廷偉委員發言林淑芬委員發言後我們處理臨時提案只有兩件齁 |
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好 主席有請部長還有法務部檢察司司長好 邱部長上台以後其他會不會有相關幕僚就不需要上台了齁 |
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希望部長在這邊我們又要來跟你做探討那部長有些問題我想跟你請問我希望不要獲得不知道的答案請問藥品組陳姓紀師聯同他約用人員的年資一起算請問他是何時來食藥署上班的陳薇仁的女兒陳姓紀師 |
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| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
一百年 |
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一百零四年吧請問他哪一年調去氣科組的?呃﹖是不是容許﹖好﹖食藥署莊署長﹖說明﹖陸長進委員早﹖跟委員報告那個陳姓的這個藥品組的事他在一百零四年七月禁用為約用人員那後來在一百零四年七月七月的﹖氣科組哪一年? |
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藥品組哪一年?請回答在112年他是公務人員高考三級分發到藥品組第三科我知道我是說他在哪一年到藥品組六科又到七科然後又到藥品組三科重點就在於112年高考三級分發藥品組三科的時候去年9月19放榜國家考試都要統一分發請問可以分到原單位的機率有多大? |
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告訴全國公務人員你原本在這一刻工作你是願用人員結果你統一分發你考上了恭喜你結果你還竟然可以分配到原單位這機率有多低全部公務人員都知道是林建良組長直接去要人的吧去年9月19號考上馬上分配到原單位那有這麼好康欸 |
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我從基層里長做起議員到立委我都知道這中間有多困難了你們會不知道邱部長請問一下你認識前制藥公會陳薇仁理事長嗎?時任立委的時候他有沒有拜會過你?有還是沒有?直接回答我完全沒有印象沒有印象完全沒有印象所以你不敢否認說不認識太多人拜會過你了所以你不太確定是不是在開會啦或者是相關的 |
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一照衛福部的回文二等輕的案子他只要不辦這個陳姓技師就繼續留在發藥證這個單位這樣子的說法所有的人都沒辦法接受陳薇仁是前製藥工會的理事長他的人脈很廣請問他的女兒下班後要叫叔叔伯伯阿姨的這些廠商他的案子辦不辦爸爸交代的案子辦不辦你回答大家 |
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只要不處理二等親,爸爸交代其他人的案子辦不辦?包委員是這樣子,他是112年,我們的衛福部是這樣子你先回答我,他爸爸二等親以外的案子他爸爸交代他要不要辦?那我有機會講一下 |
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部裡面的話就是說各司署我們只處理各司署的檢任的人士大概會到部裡面所以我們都尊重各司署在用人擔任所以這我要再帶到第二個問題這根本不是二等卿的問題因為二等卿如森達以及業界公認跟森達很好的一個廠商叫緯存也不必勞動誠信祭司來出面因為都會由藥品組林組長親令親為直接要求承辦人員訴見趕快辦 |
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有沒有這一回事你知不知道你整個食藥署被我翻掉了你整個食藥署裡面的資料都在我身上你知不知道但是我要跟大家講現在我們面對的問題就是誠信祭司正在你的底下正在這個單位工作而你不處理回函告訴我只要不處理二等輕就沒關係繼續待在原單位 |
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報告委員,我們一定依規定處理,我們好好的調查,如果不符合規定,我們馬上要處理。前任三科的林科長,是不是時常抗拒林健良組長無形的壓力,並而被三科調到一科,是不是有此事,請襯鋒單位調查再說明。依照公務員的案例,像這種狀況,應該主管機關都要暫時調離現職,以方便調查釐清事項。請問到現在為止,主管調離了嗎? |
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我們馬上從食藥局調查馬上處理那再跟委員報告 |
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法務部委員 |
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你知不知道新北清水所長、劉所長的公祭剛結束? |
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全國痛心全國都希望能夠好好的打擊毒價依托彌子的問題已經日漸上升而法務部我們應該要好好重視這個問題可以嗎?可以 發委我們已經開始在作業程序起動我們希望看到他升級我們希望看到嚴懲我們希望看到社會能夠更加安定安定的力量就需要整個法務部帶頭做起可以嗎?可以 謝謝謝謝 |
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主席、各位大家午安,是請我們邱部長 |
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委員好部長最近一次的行政院的毒品防治會報你剛才也承認說你沒有出席嗎那天是這個次長代理出席了那最近一次是6月17號那下一次你會出席嗎 |
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10179.3 |
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那我們今天講說當天6月的那一次報告主責機關是食藥署那我們再問一下署長署長你對於毒品鑑驗的業務應該已經熟悉上手了吧你知道你是毒品鑑驗的業務主責機關嗎你知道嗎 |
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你自己不知道喔?我要看旁邊喔?你知不知道你是負責建驗的主責機關?蛤?蛤?你現在要看旁邊?建驗的業務不是你負責的嗎?不是喔? |
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蛤?你不知道?不清楚?無法回答?報告委員,那個是我們在新世代反毒的那個綱領下面的那我問你到底是不是主責,責成就是你要去負責? |
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你知道6月17號你們的行政院毒品防治會報的主要報告機關是由食藥署署長當時的吳秀梅負責主題是驗毒策略驗毒的主責就是他就是你你不知道 |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
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天吶天吶難怪會2266署長你從上任到現在你在9月初還安排了專訪談來談去都是談5月的缺藥都認為修法以後可以改善缺藥議題然後提到食安的議題就是說這是我自己的弱項我相信我的同仁檢驗強度沒有問題然後關於食安事件你的同仁 |
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包括保齡查釋事件是人家醫院通報醫院機敏的然後關於蘇丹統事件地方政府通報到中央來也是無動於衷的當初所以你認為交給你自己是弱項交給你同仁你同仁是這個樣子那數要數最大的問題就是抓不到鬼然後預算經費卻花最多花很多在食安預警上面但沒有預警的功能失去預警的功能 |
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然後發生實案事件的時候,你們往往都是慢半拍的所以在這個專訪裡面,你還說希望藉由食藥署豐富的資源,你要去幫台灣的藥品開發廠商學藉利用這些資源打世界盃,顯然你最要緊的是你的藥品、藥商、藥廠 |
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但我們看到你這一篇專訪上任兩個月以後還只能談發生過的事情根本沒有談到未來願景也沒有談到制度上的調整你在7月1號上任的時候你在臉書上說你要扛起責任你要扛起責任帶領食藥署大破大立聚焦在制度的建立不要讓食藥署的危機逃過新的鬼然後得過且過 |
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沒有檢討和建立因應制度,面對下一次危機依然束手無策,讓人民無法問責。你言之鑿鑿在這裡,可是我們自將期許你希望你好好的用心在你食藥署的業務上 |
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而今天做這個新興毒品的這個防治的這個問題那看起來你好像還是搞不太清楚那我們更希望你喔你們署內瀰漫了一股風氣喔你們署內的同仁那些組長的四位素三的組長沒有改革沒有換人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
組長你回答啊 |
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10454.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
報告委員這個我要部長你知道他們院內他們署內的同仁士氣都是這樣子低落而且這樣子解讀的你知道嗎你有責任喔保證我覺得也肯定莊署長沒有我不需要你肯定現在你來跟我保證他1月不會退休他會扛起責任他言之鑿鑿的你可以保證嗎他有提到他願意為國家奉獻到最後一天 |
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阿賴之中耍行耍行奉獻到最後一天也真是慘勒我覺得他在部內所有的同仁都認爲他很快就掌握了狀況所有同仁都認爲他要等退休我告訴你我今天的重點不在那裏我問一下新興毒品好了啦來啦 |
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我現在問你新興毒品你不要再在那裡幫他查紙抹粉啦我頭一次看到這個部長在幫署長查紙抹粉通常都是署長幫部長查紙抹粉的我現在不談這個啦談新興毒品啦大家都知道尤其是行政院毒品防治會報裡面高檢署張斗輝檢察長他有報告啊 |
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這個根據法醫研究所的統計去年Alpha PIHP跟目前的毒品包括大麻一堆明脂都混合在香煙當中使用然後呢法務部檢察司的司長 |
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你也有提到嘛所以臺高檢署去年11月在緝毒督導小組匯報成立毒品先驅原料預警平臺由各查緝機關查緝過程發現新興可能作為毒品先驅原料的物質看到不是毒品本身而已喔而是毒品先驅原料的物質提到該平臺中進行預警 |
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有效列管依托民脂、美托民脂、易丙、帕脂等毒品的先驅原料都是用來做什麼的?是什麼東西的原料? |
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我不是在問你這個 我說它是作為什麼使用的 這個本來是做什麼的原料 |
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有些是工業顏料,也有的是醫療的那醫療就跟食藥署有關吼吳秀美在行政院會報裡面就有講啦講啦欸我沒有帶圖啦吼沒關係你知道來署長你知道什麼東西的列管是你的責任署內的責任嗎 |
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製毒原料假冒原料要進口,或者是藥品的原料進口?跟你有關吧?那問你合成卡系統?合成卡系統? |
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跟你有沒有相關?你們食藥署濫用藥物檢驗通報系統統計卡西銅類毒品名列新興毒品檢驗種類的前茅高檢署也發布新聞稿97年到113年2月我國共檢出193種的新興毒品其中59種為合成卡西銅類而這個裡面的喵喵你知道嗎?署長你點頭知道你喵喵是什麼? |
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他是108年以後占新興毒品檢出件數的第一名而且在108年到112年跟新興毒品相關的死亡案件平均年齡幾歲你知道嗎? |
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30歲然後其中檢出了新興毒品成分排序喵喵從110年開始起他就是第一名吃多吃到死的喵喵是第一名另外值得關注的是Alpha-BiHP成為第三級毒品也是合成卡系統 |
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然後都是煙草 俗稱彩虹煙啦彩虹煙用什麼名義偷渡進口 你知道嗎?進口啦 不要講偷渡啦 合法進來都用什麼名義進來 你知道嗎?原料 很多 卡西銅類他們用茶葉 茶葉申報入境是不是跟你有相關?茶葉 煙草茶葉 好 |
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我們現在講說這種東西伊子彌陀大家知道是麻醉劑短暫麻醉劑短暫麻醉劑如果不是偷渡走私的話那是不是也是跟你們管理有關從上游的管理原料跟你是不是都有關 |
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報告委員那個伊托米子事實上他是一個很老的那個我現在問你是不是你管的啦假裝成藥物的原料然後進口然後去濫用流向不明去做毒是不是跟你有關報告委員我們現在在邊境有篩檢藥物的原料藥 |
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現在有篩檢到跟現在大量做成毒品混在毒品當中是兩件事我在問你的是不是你邊境管理跟你有關有那除非你告訴我走私的居多合法進口的居少你有辦法證明這樣子嗎報言那個所以我是要告訴你新興毒品的問題跟你除了這個 |
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沿途的鑑識、鑑驗以外你從上游你就有很多責任更不要講到下游還有國建署的責任沒錯,都是你管的你管很多,不是只有法務部要理你而已 |
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昨天的聯合報也披露警方從7月到9月同一期間7、8、9、3個月查獲了喪屍煙彈違法案件681件是衛福部的2.3倍啊衛福部的啊 |
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數字我們要看衛福部對非法新興煙品的怠惰和失職這個在昨天的國教行動聯盟人家也講了刑事局統計警方從今年1到8月查獲電子煙彈、煙油一共1415件送驗含大麻案件佔了52.6含喵喵的有27.9上司煙彈是依托彌子的有6.1 |
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主動去查 |
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你們查獲 |
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總計兩年 從去年3月22號到今年9月30號我這裡看到資料 來 電子菸茶器50萬件僅處罰1247件今年前9月地方跟中央衛生局裁罰了639件那這個平均一天不到兩件甚至2月只有4件7到9月的暑假有294件所以這個人家認為說這個連 |
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連這個法務部：連警方查的都比你們多啊當然我知道不好查啊但你們有沒有重點有沒有在查啊有跟委員報告我們跟地方這邊會跟縣市衛生局這邊來共同溝通怎麼加強這個查緝的力道跟採儲的加速你們查緝的量跟查貨的查到不法的量跟警方的落差怎麼這麼大 |
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你們怎麼查?30萬件你們查?50萬件怎麼查?我們這個查緝的狀況你們怎麼查?47萬件是實體的是直接實體查緝的你有辦法查到47萬件怎麼查的?47萬次對啦47萬次你資料送來我有懷疑你一個行政部門中央地方加起來有辦法去查47萬件嗎? |
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就是說這個 |
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新興煙毒品的查緝工作說明你們在擬定的落差裡面有什麼困難?擬定的這個策略跟執行面的落差你們到底遇到什麼困難? |
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報言這個好我先講一下先要說明的是毒品其實不是我們衛福部我知道啦毒品不是啦我當然知道但是呢我在問你們部長啊你可以叫你部長回答 |
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等下就跟署長相關的我想政府部門是...保證我看你不要說你也說不出來我直接跟你說啦我直接講2023年的台灣藥物濫用學會他有一本刊物叫藥物濫用防治其中一篇講到新興毒品混合包茶氣困境的研究 |
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他深度的訪談了6位第一線的查緝人員以及6位新興毒品混合包施用販運的親身體驗而且邀請了新興毒品混合包相關查緝鑒驗、藥理等5位專家辦理了焦點團體訪談以瞭解新興毒品混合包 |
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查緝困境的整體情境脈絡、瞭解第一線查緝人員跟新興毒品混合包的困境和挑戰,然後提出了具體建議人家是這樣子,然後才能夠供我們做政策改善及訂定的參考請問一下來事要署署長有跟你們相關的嗎?有跟你們相關的嗎?人家訂出來在那裡你們看了嗎? |
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報告委員我沒有看到那有沒有其他人看到沒有好我連這方面都動於衝來我直接跟你報告好了人家做出來檢驗能量檢驗能量是不是跟你有關食藥署那個剛剛那個毒品的檢驗不是我們我們是對認證實驗室是由我來檢驗方法是不是你們檢驗方法檢驗方法是不是你們要檢驗標準是不是你們 |
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委員是因為剛剛對嘛你沒有鑑驗方法你沒有標準程序訂定他們怎麼去做鑑驗啊所以你是最上流的你鑑驗能力上也會造成查緝的困境因為 |
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新鮮毒品混合包的特色第一個為了逃避法規經常會變化混合包成分的化學式造成檢驗單位在檢驗上未必能夠有效檢出而且檢驗機器的新舊檢驗標準品的取得與否檢驗標準品是誰要負責取得是誰要負責給 |
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連檢驗標準品的取得與否都影響毒品成分檢驗的結果,檢驗的能量能否即使趕上新興毒品變化的速度,攸關整體新興毒品混合包茶器跟主角毒品的犯罪成效。現在來了,成分變化迅速,相關你的法令、你的檢驗方法、你的標準,你定得出來敢得上這種變化嗎?你可以嗎? |
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報告委員我們現在大概已知的標準品現在食藥署通通都有準備而且應該青菜公共欸人家這一個這一個藥物濫用學會的指出了你們成分變化迅速相關法令管制不足三個月召開一次毒品水液委員會然後查緝到了疑似的新興毒品但法令尚未規範這些毒品的物質所以 |
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連在法律上都沒有辦法定罪而且受驗與檢驗能量及法令你的檢驗標準它變化成分就會不一樣所以呢這個法規啊化學是一直不斷的變化連起訴都沒有辦法也沒有辦法說它是一個劣管毒品 |
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然後呢我們檢驗的儀器檢驗出來也沒有用啊所以你對新興毒品的辨識、知能及工具不足然後出塞的柿子啊這個有很多的限制很多偽陽性、偽陰性那你的拉曼光譜儀也無法滿足也不夠當然這個拉曼光譜儀各單位要自行去配置 |
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但是呢新興毒品因為有混合包變化迅速所以沒有辦法讓第一線的查緝人員有效提升軟硬體實力辨識能力不足第二個你們連查緝人員的專業辨識能力也不足然後這個要透過系統化的培訓要更專業然後第三個經費 |
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那建驗標準品的缺乏是人家公認的新興毒品的多樣性變異性使得建驗標準品難以取得再來新興毒品的資料庫的建置困境 |
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先驅化合物跟源頭製造原料的鑑定經驗不足會導致無法辨識原料跟先驅物所以在這個圖影響資料庫當中的資料的完整性鑑定新興毒品的成分需要標準品的參考還有質譜技術的運用而你在這個裡面 |
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對於這個原物料上游的管控,都是你們有關,並不是沒有 |
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謝謝委員的指教我想我們一定這樣結束很簡單的時間到雖然是這樣時間到但是你說這樣你都很簡單做補充跟做輸出太簡單了啦你這樣子都太簡單了啦你的輸出要注意啦什麼都搞不清楚了我們會提升我們的力量來打擊不法你這個是口號是自理的不嗎口號是自理嗎 |
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總共有2案很快請一併先讀 |
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第一案請衛福部在一週內提交家長適用毒品與發生而虐食相關統計數據及防制作為之書面報告給立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提案人委員蘇清泉、陳昭芝、王育敏第二案衛福部預告煙品禁止使用添加物草案社會各界認為讓漏洞更大 |
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原請國建署在一週內將本次預告的決策理由選擇這27項添加物的依據是什麼以及政策影響評估有哪些層面提交書面報告給立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提案人委員蘇清泉、陳昭芝、陳金輝宣讀完畢請問第一案新政單位有無意見委員有好 |
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第二案有沒有意見?沒有意見,遵照辦理好,那臨時提案全部處理完畢接下來我們請羅志強委員質詢 |
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主席有請衛福部、法務部檢察司、內政部警政署請部長及各位單位出席我想先問法務部目前政府在政策方向是不是還是希望用輔導還起訴來取代陸服刑 |
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那我看到各單位一直說臺灣使用毒品的人數是下降的那你覺得這個資料是正確的嗎?根委員報告我們本部就是在推行緩起訴處分的戒嚴治療的措施以及多元除疫方案這是我們對適用毒品者把它當成病人的一個處理模式那有關於適用毒品者的人數下降的部分 |
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高檢署的統計數字是這樣的是這樣那我跟你講齁我看衛福部的資料今年度上半年學生藥物濫用的比例在三級毒品的部分比去年增加了11個百分點那以我們的司長您的經驗齁這個在毒品 |
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的這個所謂的成癮的過程當中,很多人就從三級毒品開始嘛,是不是?根文報告,有關於這個青少年的部分不在我們法務部,就是少年的部分不在我們法務部,所以這個數據的統計,統計。那我就請衛福部來說啦,好不好?部長。毒品的 |
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為什麼是在增加三級毒品?你們衛福部的統計啊?對啊,衛福部的統計啊?沒關係,在教育部 |
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衛福部的資料然後我們的那個檢查師不懂然後我們教育部總要輪到教育部懂了來根據委員報告在113年度截至目前為止的部分相較於去年同期確實略有增加哦叫略有增加增加11個百分點叫略有增加三級毒品齁其實往往變成一種毒品的入門也是青少年藥物濫用比例最高的分類嘛對不對 |
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所以此這個部分真的三個單位不要像剛剛示範的樣子你不懂我不懂你啦 |
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因為這個業務跟三個單位都有關吧沒錯吧所以三個單位應該要一起想辦法去解決這個問題不然我們校園毒品的那個問題越來越嚴重幾乎是已經社會共識了另外我們看到說警政署提供的資料第三級毒品使用人數從109人到今年9月都是呈現累積增加的增長的趨勢今年看起來會突破萬件 |
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那實際上也跟剛剛我們在講說你說我們法務部說根據你們資料看起來好像毒品的人數在下降那當然我覺得不是說今天破獲抓到的人數多好那這個部分當然我也說警方也是很辛苦可是我們的毒品越來越氾濫這個幾乎是我們現在大家共同憂心的事情我希望不要用一些美化的說法跟美化數字在掩蓋問題 |
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因為發現問題才能夠解決問題嘛那接下來我想請教一下我一直在尤其在依托米子的這個新興毒品的問題上我已經有好幾次在追蹤了但是我想要請教一下為什麼花了一年才能夠把依托米子列為三級毒品 |
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那現在在研議要做二級毒品了嘛 對不對還是跟委員報告因為我們3月份就提出告警然後由這個法院研究所提臨時動議在6月份就通過為三級毒品那我們在禮拜一已經啟動是不是把它升級為二級毒品的一個那需要多久時間 |
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委員報告 |
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這個時間我們可以更...我要跟...我要跟...我要跟我們司長講你們在跟時間賽跑你知道嗎?現在依托米子出的問題越來越多你總知道吧?而且很嚴重阿對你甚至比...有時候比一般你們在管制二級毒品的問題還嚴重欸是 |
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感謝您,謝謝 |
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謝謝羅志祥委員、謝謝部長接續我們請楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝主席、楊瓊英發言再邀請部長部長請 |
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部長我們繼續來討論新興毒品的案件那我想每一個委員大家都非常的關心我希望接下來的詢答可以聽到你有些什麼方案那電子煙呢這個載具的部分也成為是毒品吸食的這個工具 |
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在這樣的一個情況之下我們也看到一個數字讓我們很緊張也就是相關的毒價事故是它是接連的發生所以從1月份到9月份中央跟地方衛生局依照《煙害防治法》它採訪了639件違規的電子煙的案件那麼其中7月到9月就有294件 |
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那相較於我們在看刑事的部分 刑事局的這個統計數字7月份跟9月份他所查獲到的喪屍煙彈的這個部分違規的就有681件所以換句話說我們所查到的跟刑事局所查到的差距2.3倍 |
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2.3倍那這個凸顯為什麼刑事局他所查獲的是你的2.3倍我真的不願意說你怠惰或者是失職但是我希望你能夠拿出方案因為我們政府在推整個新世代的反毒策略的行動綱領裡頭他除了科技企圖 |
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新興毒品檢驗之外還有相當大的資源貫注在成癮治療的部分還有社區復歸的部分這也表示 |
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政府的確看到目前社會這個問題是非常的嚴峻所以才會投資這樣龐大的一個資源所以我們看到新興毒品的普及以及你們的管控根本沒有辦法管控危害到整個公共的這個安全所以我要請教部長什麼原因讓你們無法有效的去遏止這些致命產品的一個 |
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一個擴散請教部長 |
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好 謝謝委員那我想毒品的防制及跨部會的合作還有地方中央的一個協力像在毒我們如果以衛生部來講當然就是用煙害防治法在中央跟地方衛生部可是本席已經告訴你你煙害防治法你到目前為止你的數量你光光查緝到的就是低於人家已經高於你的兩倍多那怎麼辦呢因為我們查的量的量其實是23萬 |
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部長你這麼回答本席可以給你一個註解也就是政府在整個橫向的一個聯繫根本沒有聯繫各做各的各推一把號所以難怪我們到目前為止公共安全還是得不到安全 |
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對當然當然如果說結論結果不是很理想我們一定要改善好部長你就這個改善所以我說我聽了一個早上我聽不到你們的方案我聽不到方案我給你註解橫向的聯繫沒有辦法聯繫那麼我們的結果論是人民是不安的而且他數量是在增加的你有什麼方案你有什麼方案你可以答覆我嗎你有什麼方案可以去精進 |
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跟委員報告我是國民健康署我想在整個跨部會橫向連結上面在溯源跟警政署合作歐國委員一個報告我們其實跟警政這邊在去年到今年我們大概有1130次的一起聯訪你請停止你的發言請部長部長我給你功課 |
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你們現在從早上到現在所答覆的都是目前你怎麼做本期已經告訴你答案越來越嚴重 |
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父母不安心阿公阿嬤不安心校園也不安心這怎麼辦如果你們的答詢還是一樣這我現在做什麼我已經告訴你本期告訴你結果論我給你功課好不好你去橫向聯繫你去找出精進方案好不好你多久時間可以告訴我一個方案一個月 |
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好一個月你們去精進怎麼樣查緝怎麼樣防止好不好讓大家能夠安心毒品的問題讓社會非常的不安一個月內請拿出方向那繼續本期要跟你討論的也就是我們發生了高雄醫大膚色綜合醫院因為檢驗毒品的誤判在這樣的情況我們就好好去討論你整個的過程到底是哪裡出了問題 |
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衛生福利部長 |
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毒品危害防治條例的每3個月公告調整每3個月公告調整那麼增減毒品的分級品項機制雖然你可以提升你整個檢驗品質但是部長你這條流程是怎麼如此嗎部長部長是你很注意在看我的資料毒品的整個流程要怎麼樣去判定要多久時間請問 |
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要多久時間?毒品的判定,毒品有很多種。毒品的判定你講不出來,我跟你講啦!所以難怪你要做功課,去找出精進方案。本期告訴你,公文文件審查21天,書面審查56日,實地評鑑約要6個月。 |
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缺失改善報告及書面扶貧45天一個半月45天完成後提交審議小組審議請教部長新興毒品它是千變萬化訊息萬變快速變化如果依照目前本席告訴你你們現在所做的流程你應對的來嗎你應對的來嗎請教部長 |
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我想我們會去檢討現在目前的流程是否足夠應付現在的需求如果不夠當然是要全力加速所以本席具體建議你誠意的提出說出你們必須要滾動式的去檢討煙毒流程及管理的機制那麼同時空窗期的風險你們要怎麼樣管控 |
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剛剛本席所念的那些流程你絕對應變不了現在的新興毒品的一個迅速發展對不對你頻頻說是你趕快去檢討好不好這個讓我們很憂心政府如果沒有機制我們該當要怎麼辦人民只有受苦 |
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政府非常重視這個議題會全力以赴我們一個月好了 |
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院讀流程管理機制空窗期一個月內將你的精準方案提交出來好不好讓社會大眾去了解才不會那麼恐怖好不好那接下來最後一個議題虐童的事件 |
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大家非常的關心我們108年到112年我們的兒童受虐的人口從11113人增加到12646人換句話說每週每一個禮拜部長一禮拜都有兩個孩子來受虐這是心痛啊 |
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不可以這樣嘛,不可以如此嘛,對不對?是不是啊?所以說虐的類型又以身心的虐待這個是終身有的是沒有辦法去抹掉耶,這太可憐了所以在這樣子包括不當的這個管教因此目前我們在兒童保護體系裡面面臨的這麼多的挑戰包括我們社工人員 |
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12369.185 |
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的人員該當負荷這麼大,要怎麼樣去解決?所以請教部長,你認為臺灣兒少保護的現況有沒有惡化的趨勢? |
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我們是一直在提強化的計畫有強化的計畫也就是你看到的問題是惡化嘛對不對你要勇於去面對問題你才有辦法去解決面對之嘛通報案件成長近三成啊所以我們好恐怖喔通報案件近三成所以本席直接切入我們的目前的現況是惡化的對不對 |
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我再給你一個數字每一位受虐孩童幸存的孩子他的終身照護成本大概是這個636萬對不對21萬美金 |
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在這個是全世界所統計出來所以你也拼命說是你也是專家你已經看到這個問題你要怎麼辦要怎麼辦面對虐兒的議題我們的社會成本或許比這個636萬還要多還要多我們不忍心三成的一個增長 |
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好,我們為了強調強化我們兒少保護的三級預防我們現在引以兒童兒少的一個潛力法的一個修正 |
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| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
還有兒童托育服務方草案這個部分我相信我們參佐聯合國的一個權益的公約一定可以更加的作權什麼時候送出來?什麼時候?這麼心痛的事情什麼時候可以送出來?我們會把時程跟儘快跟現在有沒有KPI的指標出來?你已經面對到你已經告訴我三成我告訴你二話你們什麼時候可以送出來? |
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你告訴我時長好不好我們這個如果以法案的話很難過如果以法案的話我們會盡量因為修法會更加周全你什麼時候可以送出來你沒有送出來我們怎麼審我們這個會期會送行政院因為這個的確是要好好的再找專家來這個會期才要送 |
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拜託你加速好不好拜託你加速好不好你已經看到三成的增加一直在惡化加速時間好嗎加速時間好不好趕快加速把進行方案給本席好不好多久可以給本席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
接續我們請賴世保、賴委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
委員好幾位長官好請問現在校園的毒品 |
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| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
12631.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
就今年的同期跟去年同期比較是略微增加 |
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| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
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比較嚴重啦你還可以看喔一到九月份幾位長官聽好喔一到九月份我們的這裡面有一個喪屍煙彈就叫做電子煙啊這個燈燈的或者是加熱煙的成長58.2倍 |
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他裏面就是大麻糍一坨糜子這個是很嚴重的事情部長你怎麼愛我三級毒品這個你知道嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
12691.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
一坨米吃 |
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| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
12724.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
今天這兩天的媒體揭露的我們來看 |
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請問請問來邱部長你補電話你比較大你知不知道旁邊啊7-11啦便利商店隨時都可以買到那個電子煙啊加熱煙隨時可以買到你知道嗎你知道嗎 |
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你都不知道勒便利商店可以買到誰是可以買到啦那現在是違法啊現在是違法請問加熱煙跟電子煙合法嗎合法嗎你講到現在是在目前為法嗎到現在是違法電子煙是違法加熱煙是要申請但是到現在為止你們一家都沒有准嘛對不對目前還沒有通過所以加熱煙跟電子煙問題是你到旁邊去我們有7-11你去買看看我等一下也看得笑了你去拿回去 |
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到處可見啊!到處可見!這個事情誰管?沒有人管你! |
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對 其實這個青少年使用電子煙在實體店面的這個買的部分我們是嚴加查緝的但是我們確實在這個網路平台上面是我們下一個重的網路啊 網路啊 到處可見你Google一下都告訴你什麼不要人家輸 對不對 |
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我現在給你回顧一下啦請問 來來來 邱部長現在大麻有沒有批評犯案有沒有 大麻 馬尼灣有沒有看起來是有上升的趨勢 有啦我告訴你 你可以看喔主要 老實講最大的元兇就是大法官釋憲790號釋憲他釋憲之後 你可以看喔 這裡圖表釋憲之後 |
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這個串聲了使用毒品電子煙的人數也增加二級毒品受觀察熱切的也增加尿液、檢驗、大麻成長都暴增了老實講我們就看歷年來對大麻要放寬的事件 |
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我們做個review2016年當時的立委叫顧立雄就是這個國防部長顧立雄他就提出來啊接近要把這個毒品處罪化你知道嗎2016年結果2017年蔡英文總統提名4個會的委員兩位提出毒品處罪法2019年另外一個立委主張大麻合法化 |
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2020年就是我剛剛提到的大法官釋憲790號釋憲以後大麻勤捷輕微者減刑二分之一結果原來五年本來說2.5年就好了結果法務部一下子把它修法變成一年了那2020年今年民進黨美國的官選團安排大麻上院的一個參會的行程很清楚的看得到民進黨是 |
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這個黨是往大馬合法化的角度一直在走這個部長你有沒有接到這個知識啊 |
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沒有 我沒有接到任何質詢法務部有沒有法務部跟委員報告大馬不可能合法化大馬是我們強力查緝的這個毒品法務部絕對反對大馬合法化對不對反對 堅決反對你們為什麼當初沒有五年的大法官只是說前一半就好了你們建成一年為什麼你知道嗎為什麼因為那個時候我還沒有在法務部你不在法務部 |
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這法務部就太體貼了就看到這個趨勢了看到這個趨勢幾位長官特別是邱部長你貴為部長你要為我們下一代著想剛才你們的同仁講到 |
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報告委員實體商店是絕對不可能買得到的其實就是您剛提到的網路平台 |
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一堆啊!一堆啊! |
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為什麼可以讓他進來沒有 自由貿易港區的是不能進來對不對那裡面能不能放麻煩 |
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海洛因可不可以放自由貿易港區?關於自由貿易港區設計條例就是不可以放違禁品的對不對?那你都已經違法了為什麼可以放那裡?如果你的說法說啊這個是轉運而已那毒品可以放那裡啊海洛因就放那裡啊為什麼不可以?這個講法不能夠成立啊那我炮彈可不可以轉運放那裡?也不行啊自由貿易港區的事情我們正在跟財政部這邊共同來協調財政部財政部那個那個署長啊署長啊 |
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來 產生部講一下你對於自由貿易港區的電子煙、加熱煙怎麼處理 |
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跟委員報告齁,財政部這邊自由貿易港區一設置自由貿易港區設置管理條例齁,但是15條裡面有這樣一個規定15條規定很清楚嘛,違禁品不可以啊那現在這個違禁品的定義有沒有包括剛剛講的這個誰來定義請問你,誰來定義那這個部分是自由貿易港區的主管機關他們說是你們,你們說是委務部不是我們定義的嘛來,那個部長啊,今天你關最大,可不可以在這裡承諾嗯 |
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一個月裡面,把它整合一下,自由貿易港區一堆電子煙、加熱煙的裡面,把它處理可以嗎?那這個部分海關跟那個衛福部,跟那個交通部,我知道啦,我現在就請邱部長啦,你給我們承諾一下可以嗎? |
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一個月裡面把這事情解決掉你協調各部位把它解決然後對話公佈可以嗎對對對你就來當主事者因為你是衛福部管健康的嘛 |
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這個主管機關還是在交通部跟財政部交通部沒有管這個啦我都去問過了財政部在財政部交通部沒有啦財政部也不管這個健康分析就是衛福部啦今天部長在這裡部長承諾把一個月裡面你協調財政部、交通部一起我們一定會去協調一個月一個月內一定協調好一個月內把協調做好再跟我們報告好不好這個我們報告謝謝謝謝賴委員謝謝部長、市長 |
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繼續我們請圖前級委員質詢好 謝謝主席那麻煩請我們邱部長還有我們警政監我們警政署的吳警政監還有我們教育部的吳司長好 在這請 |
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委員好好那我先請教一下我們警政署這兩年我們警政署針對大麻種植茶器的工作好像在這幾年好像有很大的斬獲對不對包委員因為大麻是二級毒品所以我們警政署的毒氣中心會對於我們所有的毒品的流行的趨勢包括今天我們關注的伊托米子 |
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大麻在種植販售的數量也越來越大而且甚至有 |
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規模化的跡象那而且在上個禮拜新竹是不是也有破獲市值高達20億的大麻製毒工廠 |
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是 保委員那這個也是我們毒氣中心去整合因為在新竹地檢署的指揮之下在我們刑事局的正義大隊還有新竹縣市警察局有分別查獲了這個大麻的種植那我們把它統合溯源它是後面是共同的一個金主所以我們在高檢署的統合之下在我們刑事局發布新聞 |
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那當然能夠查獲這個市值20億這大麻製毒工廠也是一個肯定但是相對我們從一些數據來看單單112年查緝大麻的總種根植株數就是110年的9.7倍那今年113年1到6月份這個同期幾乎是去年同期成長近一倍對不對 |
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這個我剛剛跟委員報告過因為在新世代反毒策略的當中這一個氣毒合作組是高檢署主責然後我們警政署有六大部門警政署是其中一個部門所以我們非常重視大麻的這個查緝包括源頭的管理所以這個數字會在往上然後到達一個程度之後就會成為平原期對 |
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重點那是因為我們觀察這數據我們看到這大麻茶季的總數量逐年提升而且這成長的幅度是越來越高但是你看我們檢方偵檢偵查出來大麻失用的人數跟這個成長這大麻茶季的總數量這個不成比例所以我們是不是認為在大麻失用人口上其實還有很大的黑數 |
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發言委員 這個部分這個高檢署也統合了我們警政署其實我們有發動的兩批有動三動五跟動夠動兩的這一個大麻適用者黑素的一個挖掘我們也分別都查獲了幾百人因為大麻是三級土品所以我們在申請對於吸食者的這一個是二級土品所以我們在對於大麻的這一個說隨便的申請 |
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法定人數不足 |
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這麼多年居然只有13個我覺得這跟我們社會的觀感落差甚大那這一部分警政署有沒有針對這一部分做過調查 |
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法務委員我剛剛有跟委員報告過我們除了源頭的這個查緝還有吸食者的挖掘那我們還有做一個溯源的動作只要這兩個都有的話我們都會往上溯源溯源到銷源的話我們就依照既定的流程來偵辦 |
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好剛剛有好幾個委員有提過其實這個大麻我們據我們統計為什麼它會導向學生的群體我們來討論一下第一我們覺得它的取得太容易尤其現在毒販常常利用這個社群媒體在販售那學生接觸網路又多甚至可以經由超商通路就可以運輸這部分對不對是不是都有查獲這部分 |
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這個就是我們那個辦案的暗源之一啊對啊所以這個我們來講就是取得太容易還有這個吸食大麻簡單化現在喔很多年輕族群都用這個電子煙年輕人愛這個電子煙然後他這個吸食大麻非常的簡單也造成取締不容易再來學生喔 |
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當然心智尚未成熟而且外在的誘惑跟壓力導致這個學生我們感覺這個學生吸食這個人口數直線上升而且泰國目前大麻的合法化再加上現在常常媒體在報導很多的公眾人物吸食常常登上這個新聞版面也變成很多年輕人在網路等等看到以後反而造成這個模仿的效益 |
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而且在大麻好像在他們學生族群中已經變成他們一般的娛樂性因為他們常常會說這個成癮性很低副作用很低所以很多學生的族群在聚會據我們了解常常都會用電子煙吸食這個大麻那針對這部分不知道你們有沒有掌握 |
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那部長部長因為這個應該你們衛福部針對這個煙害防治法的部分部長應該針對這部分是不是有個說明一下好 |
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跟委員報告,剛才委員提醒的就是電子煙的煙彈成為一些相關有毒物質、化學物質的載具這件事我們目前是跟地方積極的來做一個加強它的查緝希望可以盡早的對電子煙產生更多的嚇阻我們希望警政署跟教育部這部分真的要加強配合因為這個 |
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其實大家都知道這又很大的黑數 茶器的數量那麼大茶貨的 私用的人口這麼少 這根本就不成比例表示這私用人口又很大的黑數 根本都沒有茶器沒有掌握所以針對公眾人物吸食大麻 這個怕產生這個模仿效益我們覺得 吸用這個二級毒品應該不得緩刑 還有針對14歲到18歲 |
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財閥金額得減輕資我覺得應該也是要修改不得減資喔我覺得還是要加重刑罰才有這個嚇阻的效用那針對這部分我們相當會可不可以研議一下啊是的 |
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希望部長針對這個人數一直上升這個真的要來重視一下還有我們針對二級毒品大麻之外現在因為電子煙流行用大麻煙草變成大麻煙彈還有現在依托米子也跟電子煙結合變成喪屍煙彈那這一部分我們近來取締的成果到底怎麼樣為什麼現在感覺這社會上對這喪屍煙彈大家都非常的恐慌 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
那這部分取締的成果怎麼樣?那個警政監這邊可以說明一下嗎?報告委員我們有鑒於這個一坨米子、一餅帕子還有每坨米子這個部分的流行所以我們在今年的暑假的青春專案其實我們就有加強各縣市的這個取締那配合高檢署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
這部分剛好有講到你看我們1到9月份衛福部跟地方衛生局針對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13749.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
加熱煙、電子煙、柴房的件數其實只有639件但是這639件在7到9月就幾乎佔了一半表示這個暑假就是學生的旺季所以我們一直擔心就是學生這個稀食的數量非常的龐大但是我們衛福部跟地方衛生局這個查緝真的要檢討 |
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13750.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13773.823 |
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你看我們單單警察在7到9月份查這上市煙彈的案件數就可以打600多件所以我覺得是不是我們衛福部在這一部分查氣的部分真的要大大的來加強跟委員報告剛才部長已經有指示我們在這個電子煙查氣的部分在一個月內要做出相關的精進說明再向委員這邊再報告 |
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好,我們今天會提出的真的是非常的擔心我們現在這個學生族群這使用大麻的人口數直線攀升因為這個對他們來講真的取得太容易他用這個電子煙加熱煙就可以結合這個喪屍煙彈這喪屍煙彈現在造成社會很嚴重的問題而且我們很多的警察人員也因為這些問題而喪屍了性命所以這一部分我希望我們衛福部、教育部 |
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謝謝主席 |
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我們請這個衛福部的邱部長然後法務部檢察師的郭司長先請這兩位這個部長好委員好這個部長我剛剛聽到這個賴世保委員講說這個民進黨要往這個大麻合法化的方向去走 |
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我送他八個字胡說八道危言聳聽你身為民進黨籍的這一個部會首長遇到這種事情隨便亂講的馬上要澄清啊馬上要駁斥啊什麼叫民進黨要往大麻合法化方向去走亂講我現在來討論這一個電子煙的問題電子煙 |
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這個按照這個媒體的報導去年3月這個煙毒防治法這個通過之後去年3月到今年的9月稽查了50萬件開罰了1247件懲案率0.0025% |
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全國警方7-9月同一期間查獲喪屍煙彈違法案件681件是衛福部的2.3倍剛剛委員也都有在問為什麼落差會這麼大為什麼成案率這麼低 |
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各位委員報告我是國民健康署其實在這個電子煙的這個執行是依煙害防治法來做執行所以它的行政程序跟行政的調查部分跟警政署的這個毒品防治條例是有不一樣的所以說你開罰這麼低 |
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是法律有問題還是執行有問題其實這個是因為要進行行政的一些誠心跟約詢所以是程序上是比較長那我再問你這我剛剛都聽到了50萬件次裡面網路的這個查竊案件說3萬多件次是不是比例太低 |
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我剛才聽到說未來的你們的目標在於這個網路上面的查緝那為什麼網路上面的查緝會這麼的低我先問你你們現在裁罰的話網路上的裁罰是裁罰買家跟賣家而已嗎有沒有處罰平台有有處罰平台嗎有處罰平台的案例有多少61件61件那處罰多少錢40萬開始40萬開始對所以61件每一件都40萬開始嗎是 |
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這個可不可以用這個煙案防治法來做處罰那為什麼才41件你知不知道在網路上買電子煙非常非常的容易我只要在網路上面我只要Google電子煙網購一大堆資訊都出來了還跟你推薦說有哪一些平台是你可以去買的 |
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你們有沒有看過委員我們很清楚這個狀況都很清楚那為什麼這個情況會這麼的氾濫所以我們跟平台業者是很密集的在開會那我也跟委員報告我們甚至跟他們建立了個綠色通道大家互拋一些keywords跟相關的訊息確實我們需要按照這一個國建署的這個資料去年底去年的大概9月到12月 |
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這個有違法的這個這個拍這個網路上賣電子業的這個主要的平臺齁集中在Facebook、IG還有露天平臺這3個平臺去年底3個案3個月的案件比例高達9成對它也是我們開罰最多的才41件啊才61件啊但是這個有相當多的約尋的程序這個這個我不太相信說什麼約尋的程序你去查了幾件 |
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譬如說你查了200件那最後這個比如說約尋的這個陳案41件61件那我可以接受那你們總共約尋了幾件?查了幾件?在網路上查緝就是3萬多件3萬多件但是因為我們要從行政的採取上面我們要約尋賣家還有所以按照這個煙害防治法第30條就可以來做處罰了嗎?對按照它有刊登 |
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的部分就進行網路業者的裁法現在按照這個打造專法這個只要是這個境外的這個網路平臺最遲要在這個今年的10月31號要以書面指定法律代表登記就是說每一個平臺你們都找得到人他都有法律的代表過去常常講說是境外查不到沒辦法罰 |
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可不可以從11月1號開始全面對違規的廣告平台要去開罰我們已經開始在積極的開罰案件太少了啊我們會加強這不成比例嘛好委員我們會加強這三萬多件而已啊是網路比較難查還是實體比較難查我們兩個雙頭都並進那為什麼落差會這麼大 |
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因為這個網路的稽查的這個frequency我們是由中央這邊一直不斷的在稽查那地方呢47件的實體稽查是由地方進行實體稽查所以我們有分工合作我真的有分工啦對那是我是跟你講就是說電子煙在網路上買很方便現在買賣電子煙有沒有違法有當然違法那為什麼我們查這個在網路上找這個電子煙到處都買得到 |
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就表示他的處罰不夠重嘛好,我們會加強,一定會加強,因為我們也看到這個問題的嚴重性我再問一下部長,最高檢察署在今年的7月有發了一個新聞稿這個問一下,現在含尼古丁成分、電子煙的製造、輸入、販賣、轉讓等行為,現在有沒有顯示責任? |
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含電子煙成分含尼古丁成分的電子煙製造輸入販賣轉讓等行為有沒有負刑事責任?這不是很簡單的問題嗎?因為自從煙害 |
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這個原來防治法修正通過之後有關於電子煙的部分全部都是行政划環那就產生一個法律問題也就是說它修正前如果已經移送到地檢署的案子在還沒有修正前它其實是用要釋法的行者來處理 |
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那去年3月之後呢?3月之後就產生一個法律上的爭議那有關衛福部曾經發一個文給我們就是說這個要認為應該要適用這個煙毒品防治法行政划款來處理但是只有行政法嘛對 |
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我們把這個法律議案交給最高檢署來做研議研議到最後的一個結果因為包括實務上的運作法案的判決都發生了起義最後最高檢署達成一個共識就是 |
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那可是我按照這個最高檢察署的新聞稿那你們認為說這個要不要負刑事責任 |
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跟委員報告因為這個主責機關是這個衛福部好那我來問衛福部來邱部長含泥骨錠成分電子煙的製造輸入販賣轉賣等行為是否要負刑事責任是否要修要事法要要事法你知道嗎你的態度是怎麼樣我的態度當然就是要人家管你人家管你那要不要修要事法 |
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要不要修藥事法?還是就是按照這個現在就只有行政法而已?我們的態度怎麼樣?報告委員齁那個因為在這個那個冤害防治法過了以後它事實上已經是不屬於藥事法處理的範圍我當然知道啊所以最高檢察署才會有這個信用稿出來嘛因為在實務上有的起訴有的不起訴有的還起訴嘛目中一示啊那現在主管機關是衛福部嘛所以我問衛福部的態度 |
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就說要不要現在是行政法那要不要修改要事法變成刑法嘛刑法的處罰要不要要不要往這個方向去走這立場態度啊政策啊我問一下部長 |
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我想人家管理是必要的啦那看用什麼方式也要合乎它一個適用的法令啦現在的法令是用煙害防治法那煙害防治法就目前是...煙害防治法就是行政法院那現在叫高檢署它的問題就在於說每個法院判出來不一樣啊那所以咧所以你們總是有個方向嘛 |
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行政法是比較能夠快速跟簡易的去面對這個問題所以為什麼我們現在態度還是用行政法來所以不打算用修改要事法就對了 |
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我想我們都可以來研議啦,看怎麼樣能夠管理好,然後快速那目前就是有法已經有你們知不知道中央檢察署這個新聞稿?知道嗎?7月份的知不知道?阿對阿現在兩個都會過去了,到底衛福部態度是怎麼樣?沒有態度那難怪這個這麼氾濫阿 |
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好 那個主席要不要私底下再跟我們留言然後回覆一下因為已經超過5分鐘了我看其他人都講很久阿有講很久阿我當然是要謹慎處理我都知道那個態度跟方向阿嚴加管理我知道有效管理這個是絕對堅持的原則那在至於說這對我來講齁 這個不是我要的答案 |
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請你們來我辦公室做個說明跟報告好不好?你們的方向是怎麼樣?想在這邊那我也沒有個答案再問下去今天有點不好意思但是這個問題很嚴重實務上也出現了問題 |
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有的結束有的不結束有的還結束所以最高檢察所才會發這個新聞稿而且大家都開過會啦阿兩個月都兩個月之後過去了一樣一樣大概沒有個方向阿這個問題是很嚴重我希望大家一起來做處理好不好好好謝謝我們李委員好接下來請我們洪孟凱委員 |
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本席從11點55分到剛剛坐在現場,我聽了每一個委員的發言,我也聽了你的一個答詢。 |
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說實在話這一些問題都在之前我們就已經詢問過甚至我記得第10屆擔任立法委員的時候你也有關心過但到此時此刻目前為止啊如同很多委員講的我剛上來之前Google打電子煙三個字不要說販賣平台啊他直接架設網站他直接告訴你衛教 |
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他直接跟你講說有什麼樣的口味部長你可以想像嗎Google電子煙三個字有他的官方平台網站做的美輪美化點進去之後我都沒有辦法想像原來我現在不秀照片不秀圖片為什麼因為我不想幫他廣告但是我要告訴你的是他居然有 |
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薄荷口味、可樂口味、粉紅檸檬口味、荔枝甘露口味、多肉葡萄口味你可以想像嗎?他告訴你官方福利3000元免運費他告訴你350塊優惠券立刻點、700塊優惠券立刻點這電子煙耶 |
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這違法的當然違法啊但是為什麼會那麼容易那麼簡單Google我搜尋電子煙三個字我還不用任何的困難度沒有任何的審查就可以找到那剛剛署長 |
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一直在講三萬多次我有看到這個新聞啊我那時候看到新聞說五十幾萬次然後就只有一千兩百多次的開罰我還想說是不是有人斷章取義啊怎麼可能就不是啊你今天衛福部的報告寫在裡面啊那換言之是什麼換言之是過去我們委員在立法院質詢告訴你衛福部 |
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衝耳不聞當耳邊風還是一樣在網路上可以查得到啊還是一樣在網路上可以買得到啊也無怪乎剛剛賴斯堡委員他剛剛講比較快啦他的意思不是說7-11有在賣他的意思是說當你下訂了之後他直接運到7-11你可以直接在那邊網購領貨但這告訴我們什麼 |
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這告訴我們過去這幾年完全沒有賀祖利公權力好像在放假衛福部好像在放假難道衛福部沒有半個人會用Google嗎難道我們的稽查小組我們的地方衛生局沒有半個人會Google我還不用你用什麼樣聰明的關鍵字我不是要你打品牌耶就打電子煙三個字就可以搜尋得到了結果你可以放任它持續在這邊運作 |
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部長 是你知不知道這個狀況我不曉得這麼嚴重那要不要現在給你30秒你手機拿來Google一下我相信大家委員查這個要不要Google一下一定是這樣子那如果說到此時此刻我們的衛福部長、中央主管機關還說我不知道那麼嚴重那你覺得我們今天召委 |
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給新興毒品防治專題報告衛福部真的有在重視嗎你都不知道電子煙有那麼嚴重那為什麼我們會強調電子煙因為太多的研究顯示電子煙它有可能就是毒品的入門嘛 |
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他可能是載具他可能是吸引青少年以往傳統香煙他比較不碰但是電子煙炫麗有LED有不同的口味他容易去嘗試嘗試之後有可能裡面再加入毒品或者是他可能再進一步一步一步二步之後他就會吸毒了所以我們才要防制於未來而且此時此刻到目前為止加熱煙、電子煙都沒有辦法在市面上販售但是我們居然容許這樣子 |
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不榮喜啊當然不榮喜啊不是部長我講了半天我們其實我們有沒有找速發部來問一下說Google在上面有這官方網站我今天已經不是討論什麼社群媒體平台我要滑到才看得到不是餒我今天不是討論說網購上面我要搜尋什麼關鍵字有一年半前兩年前 |
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相關我們就已經質詢過那個時候也是我記得我有要求過我就說拍賣網站上面你不能有那些關鍵字查得到所以拍賣網站上沒有了兩年前我肯定但是怎麼在兩年後Google上面直接打他不是拍賣網站他直接下這官方網站然後上面有一堆衛教圖片做得美美的口味告訴你很多價錢甚至我查了我剛看了他裡面價錢都有 |
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14916.497 |
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五百多塊到兩千塊部長找衛福部找相關部會一起來研議怎麼樣如果說我們衛福部都可以依照上個會期我們在討論的性私密影像防護有一些關鍵字什麼那個什麼私房 |
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你看我真的是因為我沒有辦法想像那麼離譜你知道嗎我更沒有辦法想像說你不知道那麼離譜所以如果說我們都可以在短時間內就讓那些給遮蔽的話 |
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14953.752 |
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我們的健康署已經盡全力尤其在網路上我看不到不好意思部長部長如果說你這要講盡全力我真的看不到我知道我們同盟很辛苦但是如果說到此時此刻Google都那麼簡單找到的話我真的看不到盡全力因為我不相信我們的署我們的部沒有半個人會用Google |
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我不相信我們的署、我們的部在今天收集相關的專案報告的時候沒有想過說我來查看看現在可以買到嗎?哎呦,怎麼會在陽中?結果部長不知道,然後下面的人大家都不知道我不是不知道,我是說陽中姓的就對了對啊,那陽中你不知道啊因為我們非常積極在已經在處理查緝,而且跟網路的媒體的 |
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一直開會一直開會在努力了如果說你要講一直開會我真的看不到你的努力但是我要求我也麻煩我也拜託我也認為 |
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14990.632 |
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真的這個事情不要再讓我們再一次再講了因為如果說還有那麼方便可以讓民眾就是查得到違禁品購買到違禁品並且能夠這樣子如此大剌剌的廣告的話那是狠狠的打我們民進黨政府的幾巴掌我覺得絕對不允許謝謝好我們一定會更加強力道請放心好謝謝黃門凱委員謝謝部長那接下來我們請林國成委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我請邱部長、健康署署長、警政署代表警政署來委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
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15064.722 |
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邱部長我剛剛我們立法院同事一直朝著這些這個電子煙這個問題確確實實新興行業 |
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15070.433 |
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15089.651 |
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確實在這個電子煙的方面所以因為這樣我們主席特別排這個議程也就是去凸顯這個新興行業的問題當然要解決那我也知道邱部長日理萬機說實在的你是管政策 |
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那這個主管機關就是國建署所以署長你要替部長分憂解勞既然這個問題這麼嚴重那你要提出解決之道啊不是讓我們立法委員來逼部長當然部長要負全部政治責任但是問題出來署長一定要去做一些研究應應對策因為 |
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15146.682 |
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煙害黃志華的主管機關是你當然部長要該瓜承受可是你做得好部長就不會被K嘛我看邱部長很認真嘛你知道嗎所以署長我們今天就來探我說實在的煙毒不分家這個嚴重性所以電子煙就會成為真正的破口 |
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所以我只有建議部長你要督促你把蘇耀石跟那個找來到底尼古丁是行政法或者到底幾種的這些毒品它是屬於第幾級你們要把它分得很清楚 |
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如果你肯定那就行政法如果是毒品是安慰他命那當然就是一定是違反這些毒品管制的辦法所以為什麼會說電子煙是跟毒品有關因為新興行業電子煙它可以藏了很多毒品所以根據啊刑事警察局他們的1月份到8月份的統計 |
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15200.494 |
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1415件這當中喔有52.6%是常有毒品那這代表什麼就代表這個問題是非常嚴重的所以為什麼我要請警政署代表上來當然有毒品警政署要去處理 |
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那行政法當然是國建署要去處理那這個部分怎麼解決呢當然一定要一定要什麼統合所有的所有的有關規定所以請部長在行政院裡面成立一個重整的小組新興行業一定要有新的方法去對待他我覺得這個非常重要就像前幾天啊 |
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15261.725 |
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10月18號阿在我們台北市東府15歲的少年阿就是因為電子煙然後夾帶毒品喝了抽了以後車子一撞下去欸很可憐欸32傷欸阿這個是什麼 |
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15290.705 |
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始作俑則就是這個電子煙的毒品作祟嘛所以這個部分是要非常非常重要的所以我還是真的要滿期待部長你管政策當然說怪你做不好這個對你也不公平啊但是你管政策你要責成你的健康局你要跨部會的聯絡警政署 |
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還有食藥署這是你可以統合把它歸納起來新興行業自然就會消滅而因為我們政府現在啊忽略到一個問題新興行業不是只有詐騙欸 |
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15335.88 |
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詐騙當然是重點但是這些電子煙也是破口欸不能因為就是那個防止詐騙全部的精神都做這裡可是這裡這個電子煙的新興行業確確實實是要危害的所以我要建議部長做統合工作盡快把它做成一個規定讓行政院做一個跨部會的結合 |
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15336.48 |
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15360.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
到底是誰要來指責當然行政法是我們那個國建署當然違反毒品的是刑事警察局他們要去做那如果統籌一個SOP我想那打擊犯罪還有兼顧那個淹害黃志華這樣把他併那個併起來我相信這個問題是會解決的 |
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15362.287 |
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15383.017 |
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部長,你同意我的說法嗎?好,謝謝委員,我非常同意。第一個,我先補充一下,就是很感謝昭偉排這個題目,我們是非常,衛福部跟相關的單位是非常重視這個主題,而且認為它是非常嚴重的。我剛剛只是說覺得網路上,這是超過我 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15408.482 |
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一起的那種嚴重不是說這個問題不嚴重這要講清楚就我很感謝排這個主題那行政院也已經有這樣的一個反毒的一個計畫那我們會看整個SOP是不是需要再做我們一定擔負起責任來做檢討讓他更有效率更快速以讓大家前面來安心 |
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15409.162 |
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15419.17 |
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是啊 那個數位部你把它可以跨部會把它往樓下啦這樣的話對 這樣的話這個問題才會解決啦不要只有打炸打炸可是這個毒品在這裡是要戒屍防焚的情況之下非常嚴重的所以這個事情還有國建署還有那個警察那個那個警政署一定要負起這些責任不能殘害這些我們的下一代這是非常殘忍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15438.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15439.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
謝謝主席,我們有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
15467.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
15469.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
還有保護社公司司長,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15481.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15484.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15502.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15518.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
就是這個所謂的五寶媽的這個網紅結果呢這個小孩卻全身被虐待全身都是傷我想請教一下部長因為我們今天的主題就是來防治這個兒虐嘛是我們對這件事情我們之後有我們現在有什麼測定的作為嗎在這個事件之後我們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
15525.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15544.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
我們第一個當然就強化歐少保護的三級的預防保護從初級方面我們加強113保護的專線的宣導我想聽部長回答好像並不是那麼清楚我想因為我時間有限這些策定作為請你再提供書面的 |
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15544.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15559.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
報告給我那我就直接再來講這個重點我認為我們這個兩歲的生命不能夠就這樣子隕落其中有一個很重要的題目我們的缺漏就是有關於委託監護這件事情不能夠所託非人 |
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15560.953 |
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15585.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
這個案子就如同我剛剛講的這個生父在今年的2月29日前往了戶政事務所正式的把這個男童的監護權委託了這個無保媽但這個無保媽其實並不是一個適合照顧孩子的人最後導致這個孩子虐死那所以重點其實在於這個委託監護事實上我們現在常見的申請委託監護可能是隔代教養單親家庭或者是單身的或是同志或是其他特殊狀況的 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15586.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15610.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
的家庭他們沒有辦法照顧孩子所以他就會把孩子的監護權改定為他人而這件事情就是這樣發生的因為我們現在辦理委託監護非常簡單只要依據民法1092條他只要因為特定事蹟事項他就可以書面來委託他人行使監護的職務而辦理的方式只要代理身分證授權書 |
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15612.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15628.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
還有未成年的子女的戶口名簿他就可以去任何一個戶政事務所來去做辦理那所以呢我們現在呢這個流程就是這樣子迅速的就辦妥了你覺得他有沒有就是有一些問題要來去處理呢 |
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15630.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15655.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
市長跟委員說明的確這樣子看起來在這一塊是過去我們比較沒有跟民政單位做勾結的部分對那我想就是說針對因為我們現在內政部護政事務調到的資料是112年未成年人的監護登記就有3263人每一年的數字都差不多所以這裡面到底托付的對象是不是適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15656.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15682.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
我們無法得知啦所以我想要要求兩件事情就是第一個請你們跟內政部來一起分析這3263人的監護登記狀況大約是什麼樣子的狀況是改為非親屬來照顧呢還是是由親屬來照顧我希望我們這一塊要非常的明確再來因為委託監護事實上就是照顧這個小孩我們對於基養家庭其實是有一套標準的 |
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15683.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15704.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
那我們是不是可以比照這個標準來評估當他脫為非親屬的時候我們來評估他是不是適合照顧小孩的人這部分是不是也可以來研擬做個評估現行兒權法裡頭對於委託給不適任人員是違法的這有相關規定那至於說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15705.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15718.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
我知道但是問題是我們現在就是這種狀況就是有發生嘛大家事實上也非常清楚嘛我們可能朋友的朋友我們覺得這個保姆很好他也可能或是可能只是長輩而已他也不是保姆我們就會委託給他嘛那我覺得這個是現在這個問題是他委託了這個監護喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
15723.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15723.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
請委員給一些時間,三個月可以嗎?兩個月好不好? |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
15747.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15747.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
訪視記錄要確實遵守訪視期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
15770.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15796.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
也就是說在我們的訪視規定裡面本來就有講啊就是未滿6個月的開案前6個未滿6歲的個案開案的前6個月應該要訪視兩次嘛但是這一次呢其實沒有遵守相關的規範第二個是當我們發現兒童有不明傷口的時候要啟動一個通報的機制但是這一次也沒有通報所以以至於我們錯失了搶救凱開的時間點第三個是我們的外聘督導不能都是同一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
15797.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15813.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
應該要透過不同的專家學者來協助督導社工執行業務的狀況所以這些缺失我們沒有積極的跟社工單位或是相關的團體來討論要怎麼樣避免再次發生的這樣子不幸的事件我們有做相關的討論了嗎 |
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15816.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15843.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
各位委員報告我們在凱凱案之後我們對於這個收出養案件的這個評估已經做過一些相關的討論對這些流程上面有第一個是當然是我們要求這個收出養單位他其實必須要是有外聘督導不能夠是自己裡面的人那第二個是對於這個如果放在這個保母家的話我們現在只要收出養孩子的安置都必須是要由縣市政府來做評估 |
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15843.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
15843.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
韓國瑜議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
15859.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
15859.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那確實執行的狀況呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
15876.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15878.502 |
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現實執行是最關鍵的地方確實掌握才能避免這些憾事發生 |
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15914.106 |
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今天我們剛好討論的題目都跟保母有關可是我們都是在重大事件之後甚至是孩子傷亡之後我們才去廢除他的保母登記證但是我們其實都有設置居家托育中心而且中心其實都有訪視員會到保母家來進行訪視輔導我們應該要怎麼樣來透過訪視及早找出不適任的保母避免這一件事情再次發生所以我想說就是說 |
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我們其實這一套這個防治機制呢 輔導管理方法其實已經是24年了啦 2000年到現在已經24年我們依據兒少法25、26條以及26條之一的相關規定其實都有去輔導但是退場的部分是沒有落實的我們是不是可以需要多少的時間來把這件事情來落實呢是不是可以在0到2歲托育法規的草案推出之前我們來把這件事情處理好 |
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跟委員報告大概是第一個當然是在法律上面我們也希望再加強就是托育專法裡面我會增加強度那在還沒有法定過之前我們其實針對於如果是保姆照顧全日托跟夜間托育的還有一些比較特殊狀況比如說發展遲緩的這樣子的 |
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主席 |
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好,因為我想這個不預警的方式其實坦白說過去雖然是不是說我也是不預警可是事實上有時候都是可以猜得到也都是有所以我覺得我們再來詳細的討論到底確實要如何來執行這件事情好不好然後最後一題啦,抱歉再給我一點時間很快就是請法務部部長、司長可以請回我們請法務部一下 |
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16023.245 |
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我想針對這個毒價的問題來跟法務部做一個討論就是說在12月8號三讀了其實我們是有一些關於毒價的處罰但是立法之後我想最近新聞真的非常多這兩個禮拜就有三則的新聞在講說造成毒價造成的危害像是我們9月17號 |
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16024.526 |
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16035.746 |
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新竹獨駕造成祖孫一死一重傷9月底又是獨駕新北土城分局所清水派出所的所長在這過程中不幸殉職 |
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16037.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
16061.344 |
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10月12日,獨駕肇事,通緝犯撞死高雄的90多歲阿嬤10月13日,新北的男獨駕還嗆騎士竟然到刑警踢到鐵板被逮。但我想要知道為什麼獨駕這麼難處理,因為其實取締相對來說是困難的而且吸毒性屬於一個隱匿性行為,很多時候都是在車禍之後我們才發現他是獨駕 |
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而且呢就是毒價裡面的這個喪屍毒品呢是屬於麻醉的依託名指都是用電子煙來提供給這個電子煙族群所以雖然衛福部在9月已經列為三級毒品但是剛剛大家都已經講了嘛其實都已經賣翻了 |
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大家就以為這只是個電子煙可是不知不覺卻成為了毒販還邊開車邊吸毒造成了我們非常大的一個公共危險那我們其實就統計分析了一下毒價的再販率是大概是44%比我們的酒駕再販率還高可是我們毒價移送公共危險罪卻不到10%為什麼這麼困難 |
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16101.95 |
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跟委員報告,我們這個刑法第185條之3的毒價的規定在去年修正之後有關你這個毒價的這個適用毒品達到一定預值就會過成185條之3的第3款 |
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的規定所以我們在去年那個食藥署有公布了我記得30幾項的預指所以只要尿液檢出來有超過那個預指就會構成185條之3的第3款的處罰規定但是如果他沒有達到那個預指就會跳到185條之3第4款 |
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但這個時候我們要證明它不能安全駕駛對 我覺得這就是問題齁因為我們必須要去證明它能不能安全駕駛那這就會陷入就是說我們必須要去調查發生車禍的一個因果關係是什麼嘛 對不對就會在這時候就變成是這個樣子我想吸毒就是違法啦齁因為我時間有限了齁 |
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16165.14 |
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16188.552 |
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我就快快講一下就是說我們是不是可以針對我們法規周全的問題來研商研商來考慮說毒價造成的事故其實常常比酒價的惡性更重大這是嚴重的侵害了社會治安的公共危險的行為所以為了保護我們的國人保護我們的警員我們是不是可以討論只要使用毒品駕車就可以以公共危險罪來論罪呢我們是不是可以來研議討論一下這件事情 |
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跟委員報告185條之3修正過後我剛剛跟委員報告只要達到那個預指尿液檢出來對可是你剛剛還有說不只要是我們還要討論是不是能夠安全駕駛對安全駕駛那部分是沒有達到那個預指的情況之下 |
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16208.452 |
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16229.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
對我知道對我知道所以我的意思是說因為我們現在的公共危險所以起訴率其實是非常低嘛是對啊所以可是有大量的可能都在於這個要論證是不是屬於安全的駕駛能不能安全駕駛這件事情根本包括因為這個183的第三管修正沒過多少可能沒多久可能這個新的案子的一個計算統計計算還沒出來所以這個我們會加強的來拜託民進黨官針對這一邊這個問題來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
16237.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
16239.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
王小林委員王小林委員王小林委員不在繼續請陳培宇委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
16266.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
16269.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
謝謝主席,有請衛福部部長還有教育部,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
16275.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
16303.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
委員好部長跟學特斯司長好同影片幫我按下一張謝謝部長我一直在跟你討論關於校園兒少不當對待的事情不應該成為兒少法的裁罰黑數不知道部長上任至今我來質詢過非常多次不知道部長有沒有掌握目前的進度我當時的說在衛福部的內部分案的做法會導致很多兒少加害者繼續在兒少法 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
16304.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
16328.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
是你們自己兒少跑的框架裡面繼續被隱形、被吃案教育部也給我們相關的回文說目前只剩下少數縣市的補證資料從提案到今天已經半年過去目前的裁罰公告進度如何可不可以請兩位做個回應好,是的,是不是好,沒關係,看起來沒有掌握那我來告訴你部長、司長請繼續聽,來下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
16331.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
16340.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
目前我們手上有幾個新聞光是這個查得到的新聞還不含沒有報出來的新聞在兒少法財閥專區依然一片空白 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
16342.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
16366.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
為什麼會這樣?你們的說法告訴我說因為他要走司法流程他沒有司法流程走完他就沒有辦法被公告所以到他相關的判決完成前只要當事人這個加害者當事人他被解除羈押他就繼續在民間大搖大擺他可以開課他可以開班他可以用各式各樣的名義在民間收小孩進來上他的課 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
16368.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
16368.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
鄧委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
16385.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
16413.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
其實行政法跟這個刑事法是兩個病例我當然知道可是我一再來這裡所以你們要告訴我怎麼辦嗎如果我今天要幫我的小孩去報名一個外面的課程可是衛福部這個兒少財法專區卻告訴我說家長們不用擔心你到我們的網站上來可以查一查陳佩玉是不是加害曾經有加害的案例陳佩玉是不是...但是因為陳佩玉的案件還沒有走完那你們難道沒有做法可以做嗎如果按照你的說法我跟妳分享下一個案例來下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
16414.945 |
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16439.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
凱凱案大家很心痛而且全台灣都在矚目於是呢12月凱凱過世2024年3月新聞揭露很快的癥結起訴可是我要說要不是因為凱凱案有這麼高的關注度他的偵查起訴也不會這麼快於是你們財閥公告就很快有相關的案例可以讓我們去理解難道我們每一個孩子都要像凱凱一樣那麼慘加害人的名字才可以快速被看見嗎 |
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16444.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
16446.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
臺灣的家長對於我們政府沒有信心因為有非常非常多的案子 |
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16473.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
16493.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
一而再、一而再、再而三的就發生這個事情8月臺中6歲童遭虐捏脖子壓制者手全身傷施暴者是園長9月性侵竹北3個男童陽光國立大學生10月新竹3歲小孩昏厥送醫竟然是健身教練虐到睾丸發黑這些都是友善新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
16493.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
16494.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
16509.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16534.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
自從這個委員關心特別是家外的不當對待希望能夠還有校外的不當對待這些事情對就是校外就是他們的關係不是主要照顧者這類的那我們現在都以岸管制那所以我們3個月都會定期去跟縣市做一些勾結核對3個月喔我們在自己跟縣市政府3個月會做定期的聯繫會議來做 |
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16536.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
16536.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
16566.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
16592.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
三個月這裡面的人如果再度做了什麼樣的壞事我們如何確保孩子的安全我覺得我們真的很難跟家長交代我們真的很難跟這些受害的小孩交代假設三個月你們真的也開成了會開成了會之後最後的決議一樣告訴我因為司法判決還沒有走完尚未定念所以他不能上兒少法財法專區被公告姓名那不就是回到原點了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
16593.534 |
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16594.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
行政調查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
16612.145 |
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16614.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
目前我們的行政規定原則上是4個月啦最長就是原則上就是說能夠超過的話就4個月因為這個4個月是按照這個性侵 |
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16638.741 |
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16652.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
信騷的這個相關法規規定的最長4個月所以難道好那所以你的意思是告訴我說如果在相關法規我們表定4個月那難道我們要回來談修法嗎那就又回到之前我已經問過兒少全法修法進途到底是什麼 |
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16653.749 |
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16653.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
委員會主席 |
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16669.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
16687.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
沒有通報到衛福部這邊來的你們兩個系統沒有勾結那在我們不斷的不斷的跟你們開會溝通並且我們用力的監督我們現在看到教育部在幼教法的部分跟兒少法的部分目前放在一起可是我們點進去看那個系統一、兩個系統長得完全不一樣介面長得完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
16689.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
16708.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
很難用啦齁但是我知道你們我看你們有誠意了你們知道把那個兒少法的部分跟幼教法加在一起讓家長可以快速查詢這個部分我要先快速給予肯定可是我相信整個系統整個平台都可以更加的好用然後讓家長一鍵查詢可是還是要回到兒少事件調查跟裁罰公告我認為應該要在一個月內告訴大家你們可以更積極的怎麼往下做而不是只有在告訴我們四個月法規範是四個月或者是三個月會開一次會議大家來 |
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16719.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
16722.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
應該是說縣市都在調查中那如果他還沒有公告就表示他在進行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
16743.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
16760.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
我想委員提的這個很重要,如果按照實証不計級,我想我們來演繹看看有更快速的保護我們兒少的一定要第一時間就能夠保護,一定要用各種方法我們來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
16761.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
16787.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
好 那我要再一次說我並不是說台北市做得好其實台北市那個案子要不是鬧得很大其實它也不會走這麼快我們實話實說所以我只是要告訴部長也告訴司長您齁我們目前遇到的困境就是這樣假設所有立委辦公室都會收到跟兒少的陳情最大的破口可能就是我剛剛講的那件事情不管你們是因為3個月才開一次會還是相關的法規範說4個月才要再開一次會所有這些中間的空洞 |
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16788.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
16796.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
會讓這些犯法的大人一而再再而三繼續在民間流竄我要再次強調這些事情所以他可以不要進補習班 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
16798.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
16824.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
因為補習班他有相關的法規範要去查詢他自己光是在網路上在任何的報名平台他就可以開班授課他取名叫烘魚老師叫什麼大頭魚老師然後過去他所有的東西都不會被查到然後他繼續招生授課然後繼續殘害我們的小孩我們真的不知道什麼時候會再一個悲傷的個案產生所以我要真的積極我一而再再而三每次來衛環委員會都在講這個題目要拜託 |
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16825.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
16829.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
好 我們也會再繼續追蹤 謝謝主席 謝謝謝謝陳委員 謝謝部長、市長接續我們請陳育晴委員質詢對不起 郭育晴累了齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
16849.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
16855.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
謝謝主席有請部長還有教育部司長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
16861.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
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好 部長好 司長好那我想這個我今天不會佔用太多的時間我剛剛看其實大家都很辛苦然後每個人都有超時是不是好 那我主要是想要讓兩位大家都知道這個臺灣的醫護荒的一個問題那當然其實可以歸納以下的一些狀況然後包含是人力的資源那個不足然後再來就是工作環境 |
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所以其實人力的不足、工作的環境還有待遇加急的部分那我們知道其實在這個9月30號這個人事行政總處徵取了各個機關部會的一個會議9月30號我們已經有達成一點共識了 |
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我今天比較想要了解、知道的是這個表24當中 |
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其實就剛剛其實非常謝謝那個培育委員有特別提到的凱凱案啦凱凱案我之前上一個會期到這個會期我大概質詢了八次了吧八次了那主要是因為在還沒有更改歷史之前其實他的其中一個主管機關也是我們的教育部嘛所以我質詢了很多次同樣的這個部分我要再來問一下下了這個表24當中包含 |
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公立醫療院所的各式的醫事人員另外呢也有包含公立學校但為什麼我要特別把公立學校的這個部分要圈起來再加一個問號是我們校護的部分很多人沒有都沒有特別注意到校護但是我想要請教一下部長部長你知道現在校園喔光是自傷自殺 |
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這5年當中那個比例人數增加幾倍 您知道這個數據嗎 |
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每關係回答五到十倍已經暴增了五到十倍前幾年是七倍現在是五到十倍也就是說校戶的工作繁重他們其實在面臨一個人要負責大概一千個一千個學校的人員不管是自殺自傷被霸凌傷害受傷 |
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其實校護人員大家認為他們的工作好像沒有醫護人員這麼的忙錯了我們看到很多的第一線在學校服務的校護人員他們面臨的身心上的壓力碰到孩子們從樓上掉下來之後他們的緊急的處理他們是第一線但往往因為人力的配置這也是另外一個問題我們回到教育部的質詢的時候我們再來好好討論但我現在想要知道的就是 |
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醫事人員的加擠我們已經送行政院在爭取當中 |
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我先報告一下因為我也擔任過臺灣大學 |
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教育部說法 |
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因為教育部其實10月15號你們有說我們可能還要再彙整一下問一下這個地方比方說這個有一個公文這是給這個雲林縣我們還要彙整這個地方的部分可是就我剛剛講的時間去9月30號到10月17號這中間這中間其實我們是有很多時間可以跟衛福部來溝通這一塊的那消護人員的這個加緊的部分要如何納入 |
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委員報告因為校戶是依照學校衛生法來所設置的所以是屬於教育部主管的範圍不過過去在待遇的這個部分公立學校的校戶都是比照公立醫療院所的這個醫事人員所以我想 |
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我們白話一點來講,就是說地方政府 |
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也要徵詢他們有沒有這個預算跟財源好那如果會診之後發現地方政府說我沒有錢請問教育部這個部分我們可以補上嗎這個部分我們會回去跟部長報告看看部裡頭怎麼樣的方式來協助地方政府所以現在我們得到了一個初步的答案是校戶的部分他們的家籍的部分我們要跟地方政府先 |
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應該說過去公立學校的校戶都跟公立醫療院所意識的待遇是一樣的那將來方向應該也是朝這個方向去做那所以我想這個調整的時候應該做整體的思考啦那我想收集地方的意見應該將來也是呈報給行政院做整體的一個考慮 |
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好 因為他既然都在表24當中其實就不應該被讀漏嘛因為他也是在這個表24的所有的醫護人員的這個範圍之內嘛那這個部分我們最快什麼時候可以知道 |
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10月底之後我們陸陸續續可能也要給校戶們他們有一些期待啊畢竟他們的工作量是非常非常的重啊但是在這個人力的配置的部分我們可能回教育部我們再來質詢所以這部分我們初步得到了教育部這邊10月底之前會彙整整個所有地方政府的 |
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謝謝國務委員 |
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謝謝部長、市長鄭振全委員鄭振全委員鄭振全委員不在接下來我們請徐滬葵委員質詢謝謝主席有請我們邱部長部長請 |
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委員好,保定辛苦部長,我想部長來自醫界也很關心整個這個我們這個全國的一個醫療環境那在這邊本席也要針對我們屏東的這個醫療環境跟我們所有的這個醫護人員的一個權益保定請命,請他保定來道上 |
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有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為 |
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部長我想這邊有幾個問題要請部長幫忙第一就是我們現在小琉球的一年的遊客量超過一百萬人次那其中很多年輕人都在喘水、在生水那以往有發生所謂的潛水負病的一個狀況 |
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那有時候必須等到我們的救護船或是海巡的船要上過台灣本島來做處理有時候怕延誤了那個時效那針對這個部分能不能在小琉球在地有一個高壓氧的一個設備的一個處理 |
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報告委員,這個公家養應該是要在醫療機構,那小琉球可能招委最清楚,大概有哪些你們都很清楚,可能要有適當的醫療機構來 |
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來安排這當然是有一定的困難度所以才需要在這邊提這個問題阿米是不是針對這個部分怎麼樣來做一個配套措施我想我們在做醫療的人就是只要人民有需求我們就會 |
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只是說高家揚基本上他的設備是必須要有專門的地方後面當然要有醫療的一個後備當然更重要要有專業的人才 |
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我們可以來研議看看好不好第一個針對我們這個屏東榮總的一個問題我想我們屏東榮總界風光開幕那當然我們的整個屏東這個周邊的這個所謂的醫療的一個需求也大家都很期待 |
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本席上任之後我們也積極跟人事行政總署有爭取了一個醫事的一個緣額那今年9月份我們 |
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人事總署有核電的新增加一個月額但是現在平融面臨的問題就是趕快高薪請不到醫護人力這部分衛福部能不能給予適當的協助平東融總如果以平東融總他是退伍會的體系我們醫師是當然有責任來看怎麼樣的一個讓醫療資源充實來督促或者跟 |
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退伍會來商量我認為這個社會在做事情就是這樣不用分彼此要做的大家來做這個大概沒有問題我覺得說如果 |
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平東農種這個問題我其實也早有所聞,我想我們再去了解他的需求,然後再跟退伍總是這個裡面設備這麼先進,大家都期待有一個最好的醫療服務,卻沒有我們的醫護人員說不到位,這有點說不過去當然他今天高雄可能有在合作 |
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有聽到嗎?但是我也有感受到處理啊?可以啊,一定到處理啊。鳳長年,我知道前陣子有看恆春旅遊醫院跟玻璃屏東醫院嗎?是。那在這邊當然兩個醫院還是有一些的問題存在啦。當然恆春旅遊醫院去年小英中通衝箭起火的時候 |
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有代言說要增加一個新導管這些設備但是目前為止都還沒有到位那昨天市長我有跟你們問這個問題那尤其我們未來我們有可能我們的恆春旅遊醫院要合作到台東這邊尤其大陸這邊是有可能要到我們的恆春旅遊醫院那這個部分我們的恆春旅遊醫院的 |
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人力也是明顯的不足,然後尤其我們現在一個健保電子的問題,也有出現一個很大的瓶頸,這個部長是不是要來代表說?我想因為我們現在急性的醫療大樓已經是古年的漏層了,那相關的醫療設備我們就要來補充,包括核死共振,那現在電腦斷層這個部分,還有特別是單側的心腦管的檢查儀這個部分, |
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總共大概補助了一億我們也用醫中計畫來補助一些專科的醫師我們也希望他原來50床能夠擴展到99床來成為那個地區更大的照顧力量至於新導管方面我們會大概會後來加強希望他能夠成為中度的急救醫院 |
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特別是另外在公共衛生的護士方面也會跟他加強那特別是感謝屏東縣政府協助醫護、宿舍這樣子我們整體來增加他的戰力部長,現在你說的這些東西都是我們計畫中的事情 |
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但是本市現在要問的是,因為鄉親都會問說,這要叫做到底當時可以實現,當時可以給他們,不用因為要做一個青樓館,還要往後送,這部門大家都很歡樂,因為畢竟這個是救命的一個醫療的服務。 |
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設備是比較簡單,有時候人力,而且人力要值,就像澎湖醫院有一個醫生過了幾十年,才24年所以部長在這裡不是要特別拜託你,你就有那個設備,你就沒有那個人力,人力要怎麼改革才是問題嘛你可以承諾明年中或明年底可以完成,這也是要有一個答案啊醫師師父有什麼意見嗎?好,退伍會嗎?醫護會? |
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我最喜歡的那個我講我們這個跟衣服會那邊來把人力來充實我們希望我現在也不敢跟你保證哪一天但是我想我們用最快的速度來補充心臟的那個因為這個醫師的調度有時候是不是那麼容易但是 |
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既然這個地方有這麼多、這麼、這麼的需求我想我們一定克服萬難用最快的速度來找到新臟科的醫療我也是要跟你提醒我們鄉村半島不是只有那個居住人口幾十萬人像一年有好幾百萬的旅遊人士在那裡對這馬上會發生這種馬上會出現的事情是啊是啊所以你一定要加快時程一定一定尤其你的 |
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市務委員很尊實、很讚 |
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接著我們請楊耀委員質詢謝謝主席主席我先請一下法務部郭市長法務部郭市長委員好市長好市長我們就是 |
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最近有多起毒價的事件大概都是駕駛在西石添加了伊多米子的電子煙就是我們一般講的喪屍煙彈伊多米子它本身就是一個比較短效性的靜脈麻醉藥物所構成那它會導致 |
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昏迷意識不清然後呢他又做成煙彈很多抽煙的人呢其實是很喜歡在車上抽煙的根據我的田野調查很多抽煙的人其實是喜歡在車上抽煙那可是那他的毒性再搭配他的行為 |
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然後又是一個根據社會觀察很常結合的行為稀釋上次煙彈跟駕車一起那就會造成很大的公眾的風險我不知道為什麼 |
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這個是列第三級毒品那三四級毒品其實它是沒有刑責的對不對市長跟委員報告要列為哪一個等級的毒品是要經過我們法務部跟衛福部成立的毒品審議委員會來審議那 |
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內委何種級的這個毒品他大概有三個要件一個就是成癮性、一個濫用性、一個對社會的危害性這三個特性來做評估啊啊所以這個一支啊那個抱歉因為現在也有點混亂 |
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一頭米子是在6月份把它列為三級毒品然後8月份你的行政院公告開始生效那市長我這樣子講就是你剛才講的三個標準一個是濫用性 |
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一個是成癮性那這兩個這兩個上次煙彈好像都還蠻還蠻符合的第三個就更更符合因為我剛剛講了就是他他他可以搭配的的搭配 |
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搭配一般生活在交通工具上就可以邊做邊吸食所以這個是不是在下一次因為我覺得這個不把它加重罰則的話以後不幸的事件會持續發生 |
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跟委員報告就是伊東米子是不是要升級到二級毒品這件事情本部部長已經交代了只是然後我們禮拜一就是這個禮拜一已經發文給各機關在徵詢收集意見收集完了之後我們預計在11月的下旬或12月初將會召開毒品審議委員會把這些資料再提供給獨省委員會的委員來審酌 |
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是不是要把它升級為二級毒品來管制當然必須要經過審查委員會不過還是希望部裡面這邊有遇到因為開會的時間是你們可以決定的所以必須要盡速的因應社會現象的產生提出解決的方案好不好謝謝市長請回 |
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國建署今天副署長來阿副署長國建署阿你們署長怎麼沒有來跟委員報告一下吳署長因為去韓國開一個加拿大公共衛生的學校他有論文我們台灣的一些成果的發表吳署長你請坐我問吳署長就好 |
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18090.285 |
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有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為 |
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18114.463 |
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18130.496 |
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西石紫煙的比例是已經獲得控制可是呢西石電子煙的使用率是在增加的為什麼 |
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跟委員報告確實有這樣的趨勢在國中生使用電子煙的比率目前最新的資料是到了3.9%那麼高中職使用電子煙的比率也相較108年上升現在已經到了這個8.8%所以推估大概已經到8萬了啦7.9萬人 對不對我是問營運啊 |
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18160.733 |
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18164.655 |
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所以就是用這個來推論的話就表示以後加熱式煙品出來以後你們在防制面 |
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必須要先有對策因為它是酷炫的目前我們對加熱煙這件事情在審查的過程中也是在對後市場管理有非常大的要求因為我們假如說從現在的數據就可以看出以後將會發生什麼事情現在就必須要先做好準備還有就是查獲的件數我這邊的資料 |
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就是西石電子煙查獲的案件數也太少對兩年累計到目前真正使用者被我們查獲開罰的是404件404可能有一些查獲沒有開罰正在行政程序中 |
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臨時想到一個問題請教一下部長 |
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委員好部長好部長剛剛徐副魁委員在講恆春醫院的醫師人力是就我的觀察因為醫中資源計畫大概實施這麼久那我也一直搞不清楚為什麼我們的醫學中心無限量的增加 |
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18318.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
然後呢醫中資源離島偏鄉要一個醫生這麼困難部長你懂我的意思嗎所以我不知道為什麼他們要升格那麼容易僅今年一年就升格了三家然後要他們 |
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18320.29 |
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18329.761 |
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健保幾戶給了增加額然後各項的優惡的條件拿走了然後應該要負擔的責任部裡面這邊在處理的時候這麼困難這個我不知道到底問題在哪裡 |
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這應該是醫事人員本身的選擇的不是那這是醫學中心必須要去解決的事情要不然因為我假如沒有記錯醫中資源離島偏鄉是納為評鑑的項目 |
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那他每一次每一次原本是醫學中心的沒有降級然後不是醫學中心的也升級了那就表示你們在評鑑的時候對於這個項目醫學中心是沒有遇到你們的挑戰的那你們不挑戰他到底是包庇他 |
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18415.377 |
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還是他真的做得很好他只要做得很好就不用徐副委員在這邊為了一個醫生不只恆春啊澎湖金門馬祖離島偏鄉要一個醫學中心的人力資源都很困難啊 |
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18421.531 |
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18448.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
我認為所有的醫學中心其實都有派員到偏鄉不是就是說我們20家的時候的時候也遇到資源人力的短缺問題23家也遇到以你們目前在增加的數量搞不好到明年30家了也還是會遇到 |
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18452.243 |
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對,所以不管醫學中心有幾家,我們也給他任務可是如果醫師很難派的話那他在評鑑就不應該過啊不是不應該過,他就可能會失分啦當然如果能夠,因為 |
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18475.462 |
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醫院評鑑這個都是除非有那種必要條件你一定要做到一定要做到博定現在被我追拍人喔給你壓迫啦你去給你加一點壓力給醫學中心啦 |
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18489.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
18506.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
不能拿走那麼多的健保資源然後不負擔他應該要負有的責任這個是一個方式偏鄉加強其實我們政府也有偏鄉加強的計畫我現在不討論其他的計畫因為你兩個計畫也沒有辦法填補我們現在就單從 |
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18520.143 |
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18526.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
為什麼臺灣的醫療機關評鑑會造成一直有人升級然後應該要處理的問題一直沒有辦法處理這個我們有在檢討其實醫學中心的資源不甘不願 |
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18550.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
18551.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
瞭解瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
18563.359 |
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18583.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
我再講一次,就是說,這一些問題還沒有解決之前,你們不要再有醫學中心升級了。如果這樣生,生在水晶瓶,生到瓶瓦欠,瓶瓦欠瓶瓦欠,瓶瓦欠瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶瓶 |
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醫中資源人力的計畫實施大概10年了嘛納入評鑑也10年了嘛啊一直沒有辦法解決啊拍不出來拍不出來就降級啊拍不出來我們來督促好謝謝部長好謝謝 |
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18612.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
18617.462 |
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謝謝楊委員、謝謝部長接下來我們請葉元之委員質詢主席好,馬上請衛福部部長 |
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18637.355 |
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18666.033 |
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委員好昨天我在總質詢的時候跟你就教就是我們現在急診室等病房時間越來越長的問題那其實現在的醫療的問題其實不只是這樣那最近有一個抗藥性的病菌他現在是全球的十大健康威脅他也會造成住院天數增加而且醫療的費用增加那如果沒有效控制的話這個醫療界他們預估在2050年會可能會讓全台有3.3萬的人死亡會佔每年總死亡人數的兩成 |
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那我都不知道你有掌握到這個狀況嗎?不是掌握,我了解到這種趨勢了解趨勢,那接下來跟你討論一下我們要怎麼樣去防避這件事情當然,我們都會想辦法來現在主要是有六大抗藥性的細菌現在有一些趨勢的表格我們也從醫學期刊裡面有找到 |
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18689.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
有關新興煙毒品防制及強化虐童防治作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
18708.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
18732.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
那這個病菌現在已經造成醫院的一些負擔了比如說因為他如果要隔離的話必須要有負壓隔離病房但是負壓隔離病房根本不夠醫護也不夠所以有的時候被發現有感染的就是在原來病床加一個簾子實際上他並沒有辦法達到任何的隔絕的作用他就會造成院內感染那我特別把這個CRKP特別跟部長來討論你有聽過這個 |
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18735.129 |
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18737.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
現在衛福部有沒有掌握這個細菌它的人數感染人數有嗎? |
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18760.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
18781.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
沒有對不對我跟你講我有跟CDC調資料啦這是CDC給的資料CRKP在112年的時候呢感染人數是1961那死亡率我們如果是死亡人數如果是抓一半的話大概也將近1000個人死亡113年已經到目前為止感染人數已經830億人但是部長這個是精確的數字嗎欸部長 |
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18786.072 |
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18811.514 |
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我們現在質詢欸我再看你這個資料你不要跟旁邊那個聊天我對你這個資料這CDC給的啊你會給我假資料嗎是那因為齁我跟委員報告齁因為我們因為這個問題所以我現在在看的資料就是衛福部也提其實也提出了國家級防疫不是我現在問你人數啦不要在那邊答被所問好不好人數人數如果是習慣屬題的應該是沒有錯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
部長我跟你講好不好就是不是這個數字為什麼你知道嗎?不是這個數字因為現在在你們的疾管署建置的這個系統裡面他是採非...採自願式方式通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
18827.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
18855.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
他自願就通報啦不自願就不通報啦所以有一大堆黑數啦所以我剛剛給你看的數字根本沒辦法反應全貌是但我現在不懂的就是剛剛你也承認說這個致死率很高而且情況越來越嚴重可是我們卻對醫院如果發現這樣的器具我們不去管理他我們才自願性通報到底我們衛福部對於相關的處置你的態度跟立場到底是什麼啊我們當然一定要全那為什麼是自願式通報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
18886.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
你知道這個問題非常嚴重因為我有個朋友今年年初的時候在其中一家醫院北部的他說他發現在呼吸治療病房裡面很多人抬出去都是因為感染的類似的細菌所以我完全都不瞭解這個情形因為機關室的專家都是當今對那我現在問部長您是部長您更是專家為什麼這次採取志願式的方式來通報為什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
基本上這個應該都是要自動就會通報所以不能只有自驗啦應該是所以你覺得不可以是不是那這個機關署歸你管嗎應該要全部通報那機關署是不是歸你管我們馬上來了解一下這樣的不是欸部長怎麼感覺好像我沒跟你講這個你還不了解狀況你是衛福部長欸 |
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| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
因為我們尊重那個業館他已經這個你去了解一下好不好你可不可以去了解一下然後再來就是還有另外你們現在剛你要講就是這個計畫嘛全民健保抗維生物質際管理計畫嘛你要講這個嘛編了2.25億元嘛對不對每次支付不是這個計畫不是要管理及感染的品質提升 |
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18965.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
我們的簽名其實叫做國家級防疫一體抗生素抗藥性反抗生素這2億那個經過明年2億對嘛那一樣嘛一樣東西嘛對啊每一次一個病人每次支付1000點按照現在健保點子還要打折啦然後還要扣東扣西的最後實際上用在病人身上人沒多少了啦所以我們國家呢光是補助一個0日供給就補助1.13億元啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
18980.956 |
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大概就是整個計畫的二分之一所以你投入的經費非常少嘛投入的經費非常少代表說你對這更不重視我很快再講另外一個問題感染科醫師現在也不夠啊現在根據 |
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根據一些醫療的報導研究臺灣至少需要1113位感染科醫師可是現在臺灣整個職業登記只有771位而且今年只有20位報考而且報考的醫生人數是逐年下降所以你現在感染科醫師也有造成很大的缺口最後王必勝曾在之前還就任的時候他說感染科要列為不定專科但目前列為不定專科了嗎?部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
19027.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
目前列為不定專科嗎?肝癌科?肝癌科現在還沒...還沒嗎?我在跟部長講話為什麼都一直有人來聊天啊?那你這樣就拖延我執行時間啊我剛剛一直被按鈴欸 |
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19047.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
感染科不是固定的專科固定的就是像內科、外科所以不是嘛那問題是之前王必勝講的嘛次專科所以現在是次專科嘛對嘛所以你承諾說之前衛福部承諾要變成固定專科表示重視感染科現在仍然是次專科所以我現在是把問題跟你講這細菌很嚴重 |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
然後你們也沒有做要求他們一定要通報感染科醫師也不足編的預算也不夠那你有沒有決心要解決這個問題如果不解決的話急診室等病房越等越久醫療的費用會越來越增加那你現在感覺部長是不瞭解啦所以兩位台灣醫師上來而提面命嘛是不是可以給我一份報告詳細的不給我好不好沒問題沒問題謝謝謝謝葉委員謝謝部長還有副署長 |
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19092.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
高金素梅委員、高金素梅委員、高金素梅委員不在陳廷輝委員、陳廷輝委員、陳廷輝委員不在接下來我們請黃秀芳委員質詢謝謝主席我們請法務部跟內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
19102.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
19124.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
法務部司長、國司長、內政部警政監委員好司長好司長我今天就是我們委員會討論這個新興毒品我想請教就是說其實在一般的大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
19126.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
19142.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
這個住宅區大樓大樓大樓有很多的民眾他們也會反應就是說因為大樓他可能是那個通風的關係管線的關係所以有時候這個上下樓或者是其他地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
19143.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
19168.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
有住戶在抽煙或者甚至有可能是吸毒的那個煙味是透過那個大樓的那個管線都可以聞得到那曾經有民眾他們是透過報案就直接報案可是報案的話其實警察他只能就報案的人他可能去了解可是他不知道這個味道是從哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
19169.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
19183.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
那像這樣子的話我們這個民眾要怎麼自我保護嗎總是我不能每天都聞到這樣的味道啊也許我們聞到就他認為說這個就是一個毒品的那個味道 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
19185.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
19200.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
請警察來警察也不可能每戶去敲門然後去也許這個住戶知道說是哪一家可是如果你沒有搜索票的話你怎麼進到那個人家那個家裡面去那我請司長遇到這樣的問題怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
19201.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
19226.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
各位報告這是偵查實務個案首先第一個當然他這個一定流程我聞到這味道感覺是怪怪的好像也是毒品那是不是毒品他可能也不知道像我自己也沒聞過我也搞不清楚那是不是毒品那這個時候如果覺得是毒品的話可能有人在吸毒他可能就直接跟派出所報案那派出所警員就會來訪查那因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
19227.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
19250.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
他可能現在因為通風管線的關係這個可能這是一個查證的一個過程所以管委會的部份社區管委會的部份可能也要發揮一點功能那就我們偵查人員來講的話我大概你報案之後我大概開始收集證據那如果要請到所有票這一點我一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
19250.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
19253.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
現在目前確實有這樣的一個狀況發生那住在這個大樓裡面的民眾其實有 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
19275.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
19302.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
他們也大約知道是哪一戶那也許某一天這個人可能被警察可能帶到那個派出所去然後詢問之後也許他有吸毒吸毒完之後後來沒多久他又被交保就是後面可能就又被交保然後又回到社區裡面我覺得這個狀況是不停的在發生只是我們想要知道就是說如果民眾發生這樣的遇到這樣的狀況確實是不堪其擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
19305.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
19317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
這是確實在我們生活當中存在發生的事情當然我們第一時間一定是跟這個派出所報案就是說民眾遇到這樣的狀況要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
19320.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
19333.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
避免再有這樣的事情發生在就是說這個這個可能吸毒的這個人又回到社區之後也許他知道誰報案的他可能就對那個人就是言語威脅我覺得這個這個真實的狀況確實在我們生活當中出現對那這個是我們希望說這個法務部跟內政部確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
19344.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
19344.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
19364.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
19385.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
根據我們新世代反毒策略我們目前為止我們警政署其實是一個友善通報網但是友善通報網是包含各個社區所以各個社區假如有反應的話我們警察會立即第一時間來做處理那假如是臨時的租戶的話我們就會把他趕出去假如是固定的住戶的話那依照那個大廈管理條例的話就來這邊來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
19388.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
19408.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
好,那接下來我也請教我們這兩個部會,就是說我們現在目前的這個,其實我在地方我都會一直聽到就是說我們現在目前的這個毒品防治的這個法好像就是很鬆,就很鬆的,如果你持有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
19410.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
19433.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
持有這個三級或第四級的這個毒品這個處罰的門檻降為這個純值敬重5公克以上那如果說你是這個持有的話其實這個罪行還不是很大那現在新興毒品有的他是把毒放在這個咖啡包裡面那咖啡包裡面的這個含毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
19434.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
19458.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
他不可能一次就放了5公克他可能就是持有好多包嘛所以為什麼說我們現在那個毒品的這個咖啡包會進到校園其實就很容易取得啊確實是很容易取得那像這樣子的話我們有沒有可能再去檢視一下目前的這個我們毒品危害防治條例的這個罰則的部分有沒有可能再去做一個修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
19459.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
19473.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
各位報告有關於這個毒咖啡包這一個部分就是他向來都是列我們高檢署統合六大系統查緝毒品的一個最主要的軸心的一個重點工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
19474.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
19501.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
那有關於委員剛垂詢的這個刑度以及這個純子敬重其實我們已經降過幾次了有關於這個持有要處罰的這個部分純子敬重已經我記得就修毒品危害防治條例已經修了兩次還幾次我忘記了有足以的把這個持有的這個重量來降低入刑化是 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
19503.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
19519.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
所以有沒有可能就是說如果針對你我剛剛講的那個咖啡包啊它裡面也許才含量可能是0.2、0.4公克嘛那也許它要拿了十幾包才有這個禁止、禁重是那個5公克啊對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
19520.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
19537.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
那他如果說拿了十幾包他可以給十幾個人使用欸那像這樣子的話如果如果他是持有然後又拿給別人用我覺得這個應該我覺得應該要去討論一下這個刑責是不是或者是罰則是不是要加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
19537.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
19559.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
跟委員報告他其實拿了這麼多包可能我們在證據上會朝著販賣的一個來辦理販賣的話你三級還是四級他最近本行這五年以上有期徒刑這個就是重的刑度了那個就是我們在查緝面有關於證據收集我們會盡可能的有如果有販賣製造我們嚴厲的來查緝他 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
19563.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
19564.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
新興煙毒品造成治安 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
19582.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
19603.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
的所有人身的這個安全造成一個危害那我想請教就是說目前這個新興毒品可能以年輕就是年輕化那我們也看到這幾年就因為吸食新興毒品然後死亡的這個案件也逐年在增加所以我想請教就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
19605.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
19629.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
類似這樣的狀況就是我們這個新興毒品我們講的有很多種那其中一種是那個彩虹煙彩虹煙其實年輕人尤其是學生校園學生因為這個是很容易取得而且它的這個製作簡單然後其實它也不貴重點它也不貴所以我們要怎麼去防範那 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
19631.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
19650.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
尤其是年輕人這些新興毒品看到全部幾乎都是年輕人在使用那我不知道說你們這兩個部會未來要怎麼就是說第一個我覺得說罰則重是不是剛剛楊委員也有特別提到那是不是列為現在目前還列為這個第三第三級嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
19652.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
19675.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
跟委員報告因為新興毒品種類非常多那大部分大概是卡西同類那卡西同類三級嘛那有關於這個像校園裡面兒少私用毒品的那一塊即使如果是私用一二級毒品的話那會歸到那個少年法庭那邊去阿如果是私用三四級毒品這個行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
19676.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
19678.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
警政署稍微回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
19698.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
19712.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
保安委員,那假如我們校園有查獲到毒品的話,我們會去溯源,那包括各種新興的毒品我們都會溯源,有溯源到校園的部分的話,我們就會結合教育部以及相關單位來聯合查處。 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
19715.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
19731.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
最後我是真的要確實就是說我們的社會當中我剛剛講的那個大樓確實真的真實的存在那再來就是新興毒品真的現在年輕人就是要取得這種新興毒品確實是非常容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
19731.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
19756.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
而且製作簡單,其實價格也不貴。所以我覺得說,不論是警政署或法務部,針對這一部分,第一個,源頭,販賣源頭,我覺得這個真的非常的重要。就是說一旦知道有人在吸食,我覺得應該要去溯源,到底是誰在賣,誰在販賣,我覺得這個是非常的重要。另外就是說,販賣的話,這個行者是不是又要再加重? |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
19756.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
19757.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
謝謝黃委員鍾嘉斌委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
19785.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
19787.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
繼續我們請陳穎委員質詢好,謝謝主席,麻煩請邱部長委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
19812.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
19838.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
欸部長好我本來是要問那個先問那個喪失煙彈的問題齁啊但是因為我發現我們之前千呼萬喚的蔣署長今天終於出現了所以呢那我不禁想說我今天應該要先來關心一下我們加熱煙的進度齁那好那我這個煙彈的質詢稿我先放放旁邊一下等一下這一題問完再問下一題好那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
19840.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
19869.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
就是煙害防治法的部分在去年1月已經修法完成那我們決議要納管加熱煙但是就是說從去年1月我們修法完成現在到現在10月底了已經快兩年的時間了那這個衛福部國健署到今天仍未通過任何一家加熱煙的健康風險評估的這個審查的通過都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
19870.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
19889.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
本席這段時間也明查暗訪當然這件事媒體也是知道的國電署指控廠商沒有補充要求的資料因此無法完成審查國電署甚至還給部長不完整也不精確的資訊企圖誤導部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
19900.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
19901.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
就是說這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
19902.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
19923.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
其實這樣子就是說導致到現在就沒有辦法完成審查那我們看一下這個新聞國建署署長對外表示國建署目前一個月至少開2到3次健康風險評估的相關審查會議那也就是說國建署迄今應該至少開應該要有開了30場的這個審查會議來處理廠商補送的這些補充資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
19932.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
19949.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
那部長如果廠商如果沒有補充資料那國建署為什麼要每個月還要開會審查就是二到三次這不是一個很矛盾的事情嗎那到底這這麼多這麼久的會到底要開什麼難不成是在開趴嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
19952.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
19973.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
所以簡單來講本席認為就是說我覺得國建署裡面應該有人在欺負部長您剛上任然後沒有把部長放在眼裡所以採用這些這樣子不清不楚的資訊來誤導部長所以我要問截至目前為止部長你們到底開了幾場的審查會議37場 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
19982.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
20002.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
37場,好那賈組長我要問一下喔37場的審查會議能不能公開你能不能公開就是公開所有這個相關廠商被要求補充的資料還有這個他們的這個內容及回覆的狀況你能不能把這些都一併的公開說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
20005.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
20027.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
我們只能說他們送件的次數可以說明然後還有大家的共同的問題我們也可以做羅列根說所以其他的不行我們環評現在環評都有公開而且還直播那我們立法院審預算也公開也直播公開透明因為你如果不公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
20028.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
20028.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
我們會終結式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
20046.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
20074.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
所以就是不行答案就是不行嗎部長你覺得這個審查會議為什麼不能公開只能按照假署長講的部分說明總結說明這樣子而已這個有這麼難嗎在我們本來的辦法裡面就在審查的過程中因為還在審查過程所以沒有辦法對外完整的公開那 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
20074.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
20101.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
當然審查結束之後呢這些資料一定都是可以供大家來那你們什麼時候要審查結束勒因為我在上個會期6月5號我就已經已經曾經就是執行過部長嘛那你當天部長回答是說加熱菸健康風險評估審查最終期限會在10月啊那今天已經10月下旬了所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
20102.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
20114.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
國監事署會不會還有其他的理由拒不開放?跟委員稍微先說明我問部長啊,你是部長嗎?你已經變成假署長了,你還要做什麼?抱歉抱歉抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
20116.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
20143.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
報告委員因為其實我們我也一直在瞭解也一直催促進度這個是大家所關注的說實在的我想國健署壓力也非常大所以也一定是加快速度現在問題如果是現在關鍵看起來就是審查會要求的提供的資料他沒有補過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
20145.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
20160.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
欸我知道啊 你看我剛剛講的都對嘛你得到的資訊是這樣啊沒有補過來啊啊但是你們會卻一直開啊因為開的是什麼會叫做審查他們資料補過來的會議那很奇怪嘛 37場37場 |
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沒關係假署長你繼續給部長資訊你繼續教他怎麼回答反正這個部長都叫不動你全部都要聽你的我來看一下啦 |
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20178.567 |
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20206.586 |
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我先問一下國建署你們有沒有針對20歲以下的年輕人做過調查就是加熱煙是否對他們有吸引力或危害的研究有沒有做過這樣的調查我們是針對各個年齡層有做吸煙率的調查跟使用煙品的一個狀態的調查你可不可以大聲一點我們的調查是針對各個年齡層的吸煙的盛行的情形跟他們使用的這個狀況 |
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20208.579 |
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20229.701 |
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這是我們的國人健康調查跟青少年煙害的一個調查所以你們沒有沒有做我剛剛講的就是針對這個20歲這加熱煙針對20歲以下其實我們要委員我要澄清我們要求這個廠商提具這個位碼因為不是因為之前其實 |
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20231.202 |
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20252.404 |
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我這樣問是因為你們早就知道就是依據這樣的研究結論有提出修法嘛那你們就是知道有你剛剛就說有做了什麼了解那這樣子你們才提出修法說有提高這個禁止抽煙的年齡從18歲到20歲嘛 |
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20254.691 |
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20269.179 |
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這也是國際趨勢對阿你們就已經知道提出了嘛所以你們就是刁難廠商阿讓每家廠商都做一次這樣子的研究阿因為很好玩是說有這個新聞 |
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20276.607 |
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吳釗鈞說,煙商提出很多資料都不完整,實際樣態很多,無法切確描述,但至少有一間業者出現過答非所問的情況,比如 |
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20290.825 |
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20304.34 |
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該署曾要求業者提供產品是否對未滿20歲者有吸引力或危害的研究資料,業者卻已不會販售於20歲以下的消費者,故不會有資料回應。 |
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20308.298 |
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20315.044 |
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這樣的邏輯有什麼不對?還說人家答非所問?這不是太強人所難了?這個要求20歲以下的一些監測資料是按照美國他們的PMTA的結構那美國也是用這樣的方式要求他的廠商那現在在這個全世界各國就是美國跟我們國家有做這個所謂的健康風險的評估 |
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20333.48 |
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20354.583 |
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常常跟美國開會來互相來溝通這些事情所以你們不能拿美國的風險評估來做參考你們就必須要在國內的業者要再重新每一家重新都做一樣的剛剛你們提出的這些要求我們其實是同意廠商可以用他在境外就是國外的一些研究來告訴我們 |
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20355.143 |
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20383.799 |
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因為你都不公開你們的這個這幾場會議到底是怎麼一回事嗎所以我們也聽到無所謂我們現在只能全部的資訊我也不知道是部長說了算還是賈署長你說了算我現在我還要聽你怎麼講嗎啊因為你們就是不公開透明啊啊等到你們說全部都審查結束請問如果是這樣按照期程部長10月底就是審查結束的日子是嗎 |
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20385.357 |
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20385.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
總結公開 |
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20410.937 |
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20417.828 |
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內容的話我們盡量在規定的範圍裡面要呈現比如說是哪一家我們提了他的資料他缺了什麼資料我想這個都要講清楚 |
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20424.93 |
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20451.513 |
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對,然後我也不要講太久因為等一下那個召委要站起來我就不好意思因為上次質詢的時候本席有提到這個煙害防治法的修法已經通過了那跟日本其他國家一樣我們限制使用的地方那徵收相關的煙捐跟稅金那現在國建署他拒不開放那現在造成很多問題就是放任民眾違法使用然後你們又不取締相關的官員 |
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20452.974 |
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20472.76 |
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這個就是賭職嘛,難辭其咎啊那當初6月5號我有特別講為了維護我們國家法治依法行政的精神部長你有答應說要了解進行相關的查處那請問部長你這段時間查到了什麼?處分了什麼?是不是可以告訴大家完成處分了嗎? |
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20476.769 |
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20490.329 |
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我們在煙害防治法以後當然就在以煙害防治法我們也查了像今年也查了23萬我說堵值的部分 |
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20493.291 |
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20517.807 |
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看起來是沒有嘛就拖啊因為10月底又弄不出來我們跟委員報告我們真的壓力很大我也把這件事情當成非常重要的事情在催促那所以你要盤點到底是卡在人還是卡在哪裡如果有什麼障礙物你是部長你就清除障礙物這就是你的任務嗎 |
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20519.108 |
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20537.338 |
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那如果不適應的人在那邊你一直擺著那你這個部長也會被拖累幹不久啊不是這樣子嗎所以你自己好好想一想嘛那但本席今天強烈要求你所有的審查會議你就是要公開透明我不接受假署長講的什麼什麼總結什麼挑選針對一點什麼我們還是看得沒什麼啦所以你國建署技術 |
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20544.702 |
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20559.773 |
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技術性讓加熱煙無法進口我們除了每年這個百億的相關稅收收不到那你等於是變相在圖利這些走私販造成我們稅收大失險那引起我們整個社會的恐慌還有民怨所以這個社會上 |
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20560.313 |
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20588.776 |
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明明有這個非常明顯的需求但造成現金卻走私很猖獗那有人用這個假冒合上的方式有人用代購日貨的方式來走私還有更多的國際遊客因為帶加熱煙進口被沒收被罰款這個也嚴重影響到我們台灣整個國際形象跟觀光所以國建署你一件事情你這件事辦不好你惹出這麼多的問題這些不是賭職嗎所以署長部長你不用好好的查辦嗎 |
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20591.195 |
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20616.646 |
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阿你們一直在查說人家走私多少你不如把卡在中間這些很奇奇怪怪的人跟事情你把它弄清楚把它鏟除乾淨你就順了好不好那我希望說趕快這個被技術性卡關的問題部長能夠盡快處理好這些亂象然後癌症費用缺口的31億元還有100億的這個癌症心藥基金可以利用這些沒有收到的稅捐趕快補齊 |
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20618.467 |
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20644.527 |
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這個就是今天本期主要的訴求公開透明這件事情我們還是要希望你們一個禮拜內把這個事情部長辦公室那邊可以好好跟我們報告這個事情謝謝好謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝部長何新淳委員何新淳委員何新淳委員不在張家俊委員張家俊委員張家俊委員不在 |
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20649.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
20675.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
本日會議詢答全部結束大家辛苦了委員如現於所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報現在做以下決定報告局詢答完畢委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料者請相關機關於兩週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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20676.872 |
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20679.433 |
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本日會議到此結束,現在上會。謝謝大家。 |