| IVOD_ID |
161895 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161895 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-26T09:16:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-26T09:32:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/120d1ede7233a40aec43762381ea7afb6c7274cb7632216e664b71adb5aad231d4ef907c701a5e415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:29 - 09:32:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部次長、內政部次長、教育部、衛生福利部、勞動部、內政部警政署就「跟蹤騷擾防制法施行三週年後，其制度成效、實務偵查、審判困境與未來修法展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於司法院預算凍結項目共10案。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請司法院的副秘書長還有法務部的次長請王副秘還有黃次長委員早安兩位好上個會期針對有關於法院在處理強制處分的事情我提議做了兩個凍結案 |
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今天司法院所提出來的報告讓我覺得非常的困惑司法院本院所提出來的報告針對有關於科技監控的部分你們在報告裡面寫說112年10月4號跟112年10月24號召開了經濟防逃措施聯繫會議 |
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我們之所以提凍結案是希望司法院針對現在有關於科技監控所出現的重大問題到底要怎麼改善來提出你們的報告結果2025年提出來的報告講你們2023年做了什麼事情副秘書長你覺得這樣子的報告及格嗎 |
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不是啊你們送來立法院的報告你要針對問題回答解決問題你2025年送來的報告說你2023年做了什麼你會不會覺得太離譜啊這樣的報告及格嗎來請副秘書長你覺得你對這樣的報告滿意嗎 |
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其實在今年以來那個司法院還有做的那個非常多的那個措施那這個報告確實沒有很周延的呈現沒有沒有先停一下你如果說今年以來司法院做了很多措施的話那我就會期待反映在這個報告裡你覺得有反映在這個報告裡嗎這個報告送來之前你有看過嗎你真的有看過嗎可以讓刑事廳長那個回答來請刑事廳長 |
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委員好 跟委員報告一下我們是把之前我們所做過的相關的一些措施一併如列在我們的書面報告裡面那事實上在114年我們開了四次的所謂的參訪活動讓北部各地方法院你覺得這四次的參訪活動有解決問題嗎 |
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那我們還有繼續在做 那我們希望說讓法官人對科技監控的相關的措施我接下來帶你們看啊 人民關心的是什麼問題啊為什麼我當初會用這個案由來凍結預算就希望你們司法院能夠正式問題解決問題啊而不是提這種報告出來你們司法院本院的報告啊 講2023年做了什麼事情我看了覺得很扯 |
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結果高等法院的報告給一頁這個報告副秘書長有看過嗎你覺得滿意嗎還是你覺得反正司法院送來的報告這些立法委員也都不會看隨便寫一寫有文字在上面交差了事就可以了是這樣嗎是這樣嗎 |
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這個高等法院的報告您看過嗎?有看過您滿意嗎?您覺得滿意嗎?有回答問題嗎?您覺得勒?不是啊,我們現在這樣大家在看直播好像現在在定格 |
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我只是請你給我一個答案你也可以代表司法院的立場說我們看過了沒有問題很滿意或者是我們看過了我們也覺得不滿意因為高院是不是請那個高院長來回覆因為高院這一部分他們那個預算是他們那個那個組織機關是那個高院我先帶下帶你們看為什麼我覺得你們的解凍報告沒有回答問題沒有解答人民心中的疑惑來 |
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第一個問題從之前我追鍾文智追到徐少東大家有一個共通的問題是說這一個人這兩個人之前都逃亡過被通緝過結果呢沒有羈押就算了那個是最嚴重限制人身自由的強制處分結果連電子監控都不用 |
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我問法務部的官員法務部說這個審判中啊是法官要處理的那當然檢察官在審判程序當中有沒有依職權促請法官為助役這我會要求法務部但問題是當發生這樣子的事情了以後連續執行了兩個案子你們完全沒有辦法回答 |
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在這個報告裡面一個字都沒有提大家不懂之前已經跑過了被通緝了現在抓回來抓回來接受審判在審判程序進行當中連電子監控都不用然後人都跑了會讓人民開始懷疑啊這些有權有勢的人是怎麼亂搞都沒有關係嗎?司法院覺得這件事情需要檢討嗎? |
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來 請司法院跟那個委員報告因為這個部分所有的處分因為都是屬於法官個案他們的審酌司法行政真的不變智慧司法行政能夠做的就是我們一直在不斷的在各種的或者是透過通行或者是透過行政會議就是跟法官宣達提高他們對這個部分的敏感度 |
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我這樣說好了啦在法治國家當中我們當然尊重司法獨立但司法不是置外於社會司法的公眾監督非常的重要一而再再而三發生這樣子的案子人民覺得很困惑結果最近來又多一個新的這個議員又跑了 |
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他前面也是一樣喔他前面也是一樣 他曾經跑過結果連電子監控都不用後來出現大家的批評啊 是什麼這個我之前我全部都有掉啦法官在做強制處分的時候前案紀錄表應該都在卷宗內吧 |
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前案發生了什麼事情法官應該都會知道吧是那為什麼是沒有看嗎還是看了覺得沒有關係之前雖然跑過這次不會跑來看一下地方人士說所有的人都知道要跑只有司法單位不知道你看連莊瑞雄都笑出來了所有的人都知道要跑了只有法官不知道我看召委應該也知道他要跑了啦 |
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沒有 你笑成這個樣子啊你也是屏東出來的啊在地是怎麼做 你莊瑞雄應該很壞啦全世界的人都知道他要走啊 只有法官不知道這種有權有勢的人一而再再而三發生這種事情這個是人民對於司法的信任為什麼會低落嘛這也是為什麼我會提出這個預算凍結案希望你們回去檢討 |
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在作業程序上面是不是出了什麼問題我們的法官需要什麼樣的協助為什麼他們所做的強制處分跟最後的結果會落差這麼大跟人民的認知會落差這麼大這是為什麼我們當初要提出預算凍結案的理由讓你們有機會去重新的審視 |
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希望你們好好的看一看到底發生了什麼樣的狀況但從我提預算凍結案到現在一個又一個一個又一個還是全部都跑了我本來期待在今天你們的書面報告裡面我可以看到有意義的檢討但我必須要負責任的跟我們司法院的長官報告 |
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這個是虛硬故事交差了事完全沒有回應問題完全沒有回應問題在一個又一個的案子當中如果遭到 如果遭到這樣子的狀況所有的人民都會問到底發生了什麼事情當然人民沒有機會 |
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問司法院但我們有機會問司法院所以我們才會提這樣子的案子希望司法院能夠強化這件事情的作為解答人民的疑惑最後一個問題 |
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最高法院有沒有通知評檢啟動防逃因為媒體上面上面是寫說評檢是看到媒體相關報導才知情我看了有一點嚇一大跳所以這個事情要先釐清這個媒體的報導司法院有沒有掌握有嘛那你們了解的狀況是什麼 |
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因為最高法院通常判決的結果依照我知道他們實務上面的操作是星期五的時候會先公布主文星期五公布主文代表的就是這個案子已經做決定了 |
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最高法院有通知評檢啟動防逃什麼時候通知的有掌握嗎跟委員報告這一件是在5月14號的時候評決的那當時確實沒有通知那個防逃那這一件就是就是依這個 |
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相關內規的那個防逃那個辦法這一件他因為犯罪所得是一千多萬那判刑四年多他是不屬於那個重大矚目案件但是我們也必須說那個被告他的身份是現役員那是符合那個防逃的規定那這一件就是據那個最高他們的那個報告他們說因為這一件在那個判決的那個犯罪事實中呢他沒有那個很明顯的呈現就是被告他的那個身份 |
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715.777 |
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744.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那所以說這個部分他們對不起我聽不懂耶最高法院處理上訴最高法院的法官卷不是都要看過嗎我有理解錯誤嗎沒有錯那整個卷看完了不知道被告的身份那我只有一個結論啊就根本沒有看卷啊我無法理解啊整個卷看完了不知道被告的身份那在看什麼卷 |
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747.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
766.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
他不知道他現議員的身份看完了整個券不知道被告是現議員的身份這個部分就是說那個最高法院他們掌握這個多少這個部分我沒辦法帶他們回答那但是就是說最高法院不是啊 我無法理解啦所有的文書 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
769.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
796.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
從起訴一審二審中間所有強制處分的裁定應該都在最高法院的卷裡吧那個報告委員這一件因為從那個偵查開始就沒有那個申請羈押就是那個都沒有那個羈押也沒有那個羈押的替代處分連限制出境出海都沒有就他們給我的那個資料是沒有的你確定嗎有限制是這一件嗎 |
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799.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
828.092 |
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他有限制出境出海啊不是啊因為我聽副秘書長這樣講我真的會有一點害怕最高法院的法官看完全不知道他是縣議員那個委員我剛剛沒有這樣子的意思我只是說他們那個的他們那個的報告回覆那個意見是說沒有在那個犯罪事實中很明顯的呈現他的那個身份那但是就是這邊 |
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829.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
853.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
最高法院他的認知是怎麼樣我想這個要由他們這個我沒有辦法代替他們回答但是我可以跟那個委員報告就是說最高審理的那個就是的那個依訴訟法那個結構呢他所審理的是上訴意旨所旨在的那個違法因此他會去卷裡頭所那個審查那個標的就只有在審查那個標的就是說 |
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854.204 |
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879.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
他們只在違法這個部分才會詳細的進入到卷裡頭去審閱這些卷中的我希望副秘書長或許回去再想一想今天你在這邊說的應循的內容第二個部分司法院或許管不到最高法院但可以善意的提醒最高法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
880.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
907.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
這是怎麼回事有必要發一個新聞稿讓社會大眾可以了解這樣子的人不屬於防逃要趕快通知的對象做了決定屏東地檢署說他不知道那顯然屏東地檢署沒有說謊因為最高法院真的沒有通知他從這個案子以後 |
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908.447 |
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934.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
防逃的機制你們前面開了很多會嘛顯然前面開的所有的會沒有把我們現在的這個洞補起來屏東地檢署不知道他要怎麼啟動最高法院的法官說他不知道他是屏東縣議員然後也不知道他曾經逃亡過嗎這些客觀的事實不是一定會在券裡面嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
936.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
950.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
現在事情發生了 就說一句不知道您覺得社會大眾有辦法理解嗎那個最高他們近日也有那個開啟這些那個就是再繼續開會再繼續開會 沒有關係啊我們靜待這一次新的開會最後的會議結論是什麼會執行到什麼程度是 |
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964.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
967.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
好 謝謝黃國昌委員 |