| IVOD_ID |
161827 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161827 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-22T11:44:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-22T11:50:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f9330531268ba103af018167f9c4d828f8672ba64a6a255857c932d0b88b6ae5ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:35 - 11:50:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會及所屬預算解凍案。三、審查「原住民族基本法」修正草案等12案：(一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條文草案」案。(二)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。(七)審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案。(八)審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本法第十條條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草案」案。(十)審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十一)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十二)審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。【第一案至第三案合併詢答；第三案僅詢答，另定期處理】） |
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主席有請曾主委曾主委有請委員好主委你好我從在2008年的時候在憲府時期的時候就參與這個平普正名的運動那事隔多年了終於在將近三年前的時候呢這個憲法第17號已經出爐給予那個平普族親有一道的希望 |
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這三年來我也曾經在原民會這邊做過要求要跟民間對話過往國家對這個評普組只有予以文化的承認而憲判的結果是正式的予以政治的承認而這個政治的承認要一些法定權利的給予 |
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但是必須符合一些要件一來三年之內要完成立法那不是修法就是立新法民間一直想說要用修法的方式但是你們卻用新法的方式這個部分待會請主委說明一下大家一直沒有辦法接受但就實質的內容來說大家希望說集體的權利的部分應該符合原住民基本法 |
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而另外的部分呢 在限制當中有提到說呢 斟酌於國家資源要另以法令定制 用一個三年內要制定但是所有的民間的版本 希望在個人的權利的部分能夠一年內達成諸位 這頭還沒有一個討論 商量的空間 |
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主委請回答好這個平埔族平埔族這個生分法我們在5月15號已經送大業也送來送很晚了我講老師說比較慢還是我們三催四趕是三催四促才產生出來是好那我們推算那現在就是說我們的平埔的這個族群的朋友他們是希望所有的錢利都能夠一次就到位那但在這個 |
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原來的山地原住民跟平地原住民來講是希望說他是有別以這兩個族群的那這個原住民族的這個基本法 |
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他是在規範這個3D原住民跟平地原住民的那這個這個平埔族群是後來的那當然有一些這個基本法裡面有一些確實沒有辦法來規範現在的這個平埔原住民所以我們當然要用另外的專法來為平埔族的這個族人量身打造為他們在我覺得關鍵其實在那三年跟一年之間是啊 |
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有關於個人權益的部分你用三年的部分老實講大家就會覺得充滿變數充滿變數不只是內容的問題而已而且還有包括整部法令的部分你現在現階段你如果這麼有自信的話用一個新法的方式想要來處理這個平埔原住民的身份跟權益的問題的話那我就問你 |
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你們現在推出來之後 你有把握在這個會期當中能夠通過嗎我們希望在這個會期當中下個會期九月就開始了啊是十月就到期了不是嗎對主委我覺得你沒有什麼危機感如果十月就還是這個聲紋沒有通過的話我們評普原住民主的這個民主認定我們立刻就會啟動 |
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對 認定是該是啟動嘛 但是權益的部分規範還是模模糊糊嘛沒有一個法令上的依據嘛 憲判就希望你三年內完成立法工作嘛 是對 不是嗎 是就是主委您的責任啊 是啊對啊 那現在又出現啊 出現了另一個委員的版本啊連原住民三個字連提都不提基本上這根本是違憲的嘛 不是嗎沒有錯 這個當然 剛剛都沒有聽到你講 |
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可是問題是現實的政治多數當中這個違憲的法案如果萬一通過的話那你來怎麼辦我就問你啊這個如果是內容的一個法律來推過的話當然我們沒有辦法接受啦我們也會拜託行政院這裡也要提出至少也要提出呼籲或者是釋憲啊所以說呢萬一萬一 |
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如果呢,因為是花一彩,我願意承認原住民的身份,違反了第17號判,現判的話,你還是可以踩住你的基本的立場,該赴議的時候赴議,該釋憲的時候要釋憲,否則這個矮化嘛,這個歧視嘛,對不對? |
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所以主委你的立場要踩住啊而且很重要的是說這內容的部分要如何讓這個憲法的判決得以這個落實之外還有部分還要讓這個竹青的這個期待可以落實啊所以竹青期待落實的部分的這個內容之外我覺得趁這個機會啦反正現在研會已經 |
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成為自己的事實了嘛你不如就這個時候一來加強這個立法工作在這個會期把它完成二來加強對話再來台南一次因為西拉雅是平埔族當中最大的文化儀式祭典也是最完整的 |
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現階段呢 基本上他們行動是最積極的你能不能撥個時間來下來跟台南對話一下會 我們要盡快就趕快 趕快下去我是說這個會期之內喔對啊 趕快安排喔加強民間對話 積極推動立法讓憲判能夠得以早日落實 好不好加油謝謝好 謝謝郭國文委員 |