IVOD_ID |
161825 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161825 |
日期 |
2025-05-22 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-21 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
21 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-22T11:20:29+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-22T11:31:10+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:10:41 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1976c9e92d55c2f9318acacc228d3e98018167f9c4d828f8672ba64a6a2558571345feb9e96ac4965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
委員發言時間 |
11:20:29 - 11:31:10 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會及所屬預算解凍案。三、審查「原住民族基本法」修正草案等12案:(一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條文草案」案。(二)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。(七)審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案。(八)審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本法第十條條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草案」案。(十)審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十一)審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案。(十二)審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案。【第一案至第三案合併詢答;第三案僅詢答,另定期處理】) |
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好謝謝主席本席請曾主委曾主委有請委員好主委好本席想請教我們這個台灣有少子化的問題請問原住民有沒有少子化問題有沒有統計 |
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也有啦 也有少子化的問題啦有嘛齁 對那有少子化我們全國上下大家都有一個共識既然生的少我們就要好好的給他最好的教育人這個 |
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下一代已经人数不够了每一位我们都要想办法让他潜能发挥给他受最好的教育本席在这里今天要为一群长期被制度边缘化的年轻人来发声 |
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他们长期被制度冷漠的对待我要说的是我们原住民大专院校的学生我们看到教育部的统计数字全台湾大专原住民学生在112年大概有2.5万人但是当年度就中途离开学校的比例有多少主委您知道吗 |
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就是中途離開的先生2點幾吧2點幾2點幾%嗎你確定我跟主委報告112年原住民學生有2.5萬人休學的就有3254人佔了13%退學的有3401人又佔了13% |
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這兩個加起來已經超過四分之一了所以我們在這裡要先問的是主委你知道原因是什麼嗎您剛剛竟然講兩趴距離差別太大了吧是你所知道數字的十倍您知道什麼原因嗎大概是經濟因素啦什麼因素經濟的因素跟家庭的因素 |
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OK 您既然知道經濟的因素跟家庭的因素那你們有想要協助他們嗎你們有做出任何的關心任何的協助去減少這種情況嗎我要說的是我們不能只看報道率不看完成率這樣的情況是教育公平的假象你們這樣做半套嘛 |
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我們每一年都有編這個兩億的獎助獎助寫進來幫忙我們大專寫生但是因為可能是實在是因為是家庭的因素所以你們有編兩億那結果我們這個中途離開學校不管是休學退學的佔了26%那你有沒有要想辦法解決改善這種情況 |
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有 我們會我會責成我們這個教文處跟教育部我們是不是好 那本席想請教可不可以建立跨部會機制因為我想除了原民會你們還要跟教育部整個來聯合是來做這種聯防機制來實施這種休學或退學的預警制度 |
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可不可以今天本席質詢之後你們朝這個方向來盡力來協助年輕人他是我們國家未來的棟樑好好的栽培啊那接著本席要追問要繼續追問其實除了經濟家庭的因素之外你們還有沒有發現有什麼其他的因素 |
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造成這些學生他為什麼要休學為什麼要退學除了經濟家庭因素一定還有次要的因素可能還有一點就是他的興趣還有他學習的成績的問題他學習的成績如果他一直沒有成就感或怎麼樣他就會先離開那你有沒有聽過原民專班這件事有啊那你知道原民專班現在有什麼問題嗎 |
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因為你講到學習興趣嘛那你他為什麼不能支撐他念完大學四年主委你那麼優秀你們的副主委還有我們的高精委員我們鄭天才委員盧憲毅委員都這麼優秀我們希望有更多更優秀的受到很好的教育他可以適性的發展他可以發揮他的所長他在學校期間碰到了什麼困難 |
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園民專班的問題你們知道嗎應該是碰到了學習的困難那為什麼會有學習的困難園民專班你們有關心嗎因為這是為園民的學生設置的專班那現在園民專班有什麼問題你們知道嗎那是不是我們請處長這位是阿文好我是教育文化處處長教育文化處陳處長 |
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是 謝謝委員的指教 我想原民專班 我們原民會每年都有固定的補助來協助他們開辦相關的好 你都補助 你現在就告訴我有錢有錢 但是你知道他發生了什麼問題有什麼不足 還有什麼你們要加強協助我們這些年輕學子的嗎 |
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我想在那個師資的充實上學校可能還要再繼續加油對很好師資不足資源分配不均所以這一塊主委我們陳處長講了我們是不是未來可以積極的來改善可以會我們應該要有年度原民專班的評鑑機制嘛那納入學生支持成效與後續 |
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追蹤的一個機制你們要有這樣的一個數據或者是要這樣去了解啊是不是可以喔可以還有我還要再繼續追問除了原民專班問題 |
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我不知道你們有沒有發現在學校還有一些他們這個適應不良甚至就是他們感受到在校園裡不友善的對待這個你們有沒有委託相關學者來做研究 有沒有 |
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這個其實是我們長期一直在關心學生在學校受到的歧視的問題那我們在跟教育部合作在所有的大專校園都是有原住民學生資源中心透過資源中心來對學校的原住民孩子做關懷資源中心如果他沒跟你反映你資源中心有主動做任何的調查有任何的數據支撐嗎 |
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我們每年都會去跟大部分的我們每年跟研資中心都有定期的會議在做他們業務的的訪試然後通過這個訪試來瞭解各個中心對學生的關懷跟歧視的懸導這方面本席有看到啦有一些學者有一直 |
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在做很多的研究有百分之七十五诶达到四分之三的我们原住民的同学啊在学校感受到不友善的对待那这个不友善对待有部分可能是同学之间有然后有将近十六趴是来自于教职员所以我们希望我们希望这一块不会是压垮我们原住民学生的最后一根稻草 |
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所以這個部分也要來加強改進可以嗎可以我們希望下個會期在做業務報告的時候我們希望看到你們具體的一些掌握還有成效那最後本席再用一點點的時間就是在你們的業務報告書面報告裡面有提到行政院原住民族基本法推動會在我們卓榮泰院長主持之下 |
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這個持續的要為了精進原住民的健康權社福權等等的保障那要來逐步縮減社會原住民族與社會各項的指標差距主委你知道這件事吧因為你應該在現場吧開會的時候請問有沒有盤點哪些指標落後有沒有有沒有盤點 |
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跟委員報告一下 那我們相關所有設計的人都有一些差距 比如說像我們的平均移民室差OK 所以有盤點 所有的差距 那請問有沒有改善方案以及績效的期限你們有沒有設定 有 我們都跟跨部會合作 那跟衛福部合作那就跟薪資有關係 有沒有 這個 有 那會後提供給本席可以嗎 好 |
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那最后最后这个原住民自治有这个部落公法人的制度这个在十年前105年就已经办理这个法规草案的预告各方面现在十年后你们才要出办找了几个部落来出办造成其实很多原民团体都起来抗议这个大家在问是不是原住民自治最大的障碍就是原民会 |
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所以請問你們現在試辦預計什麼時候要有成果以及真正開始落實會不會又要再十年後最後回答本席這個問題 |
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不會 不會十年後啦那你們預計事辦到什麼時候成效然後預計什麼時候要來實施有沒有期程今年只是一個這五個部落的事辦那明年我們會擴大更多的事辦那本席的問題是那你有沒有預計什麼時候可以真正落實原住民自治 |
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這個至少要有兩三年以上的薪水兩三年然後明年你說明年會整個擴大來辦理我們希望這是原住民朋友的期待不要再一個十年謝謝 |