| 影片長度 |
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| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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報告委員會初期委員10人已足法定人數好我們開會請議事人員宣讀上一次的會議議事錄 |
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海洋委員會海巡署署長張忠榮﹖內政部警政署署長張榮鑫﹖移民署署長鍾景坤﹖法務部調查局局長陳白麗﹖國防部憲兵指揮部指揮官鄭真祥等﹖主席王釗己委員定語﹖報告事項一宣讀上次會議意思錄﹖決定確定。﹖二,邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥﹖率相關情報機關首長提出國家情報工作及國家安全局業務報告﹖並備質詢。﹖ |
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1836.676 |
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1853.136 |
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國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告：委員羅美玲等17人質詢．均由國家安全局局長蔡明彥．海洋委員會海巡署署長張忠龍．法務部調查局局長陳百利及國防部電訊室．發展室主任郭志國等即席答覆 |
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1853.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
1882.53 |
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決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢討結束二委員口頭質詢未及答覆或要求提供之資訊請相關機關與二周內已書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員另指定期限者從其所定宣讀完畢請問在場委員我們還少一位我們確認的部分大概等在場委員人數夠我們再來確認那我們先請議事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項邀請國防部 |
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1885.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1907.461 |
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報告事項 邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況．並備質詢 宣讀完畢好 我們先來介紹在場的委員 Always on time 陳永康委員 好 謝謝那另外 在介紹官員之前 那本席先向委員會宣告 |
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1908.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1931.328 |
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那因為禮拜四都有軍談所以我們今天國防部長的業務報告及列席備詢在中午以後那他詢網曆請假這個過去都有發生過那本席也詢網曆準價所以待會顧立雄部長他會報告之後盡量在這邊列席答詢我想應該我們本委員會的可以問完 |
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1932.108 |
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1948.237 |
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到中午的時候就準駕到總統府參加專案會議以上先說明請假狀況那列席的官員由國防部長顧立雄那副參謀總長執行官鄭榮峰上將長賜楊基隆權動署署長白潔榮 |
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1961.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1980.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
總督察長是總督察長張元勛政戰局局長陳玉玲軍備局局長林文祥主計局局長謝其賢軍醫局醫務管理處處長許玉瑞戰規司司長黃文啟 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1989.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2012.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
施規司司長鄧克雄法律司司長沈世偉整評司副司長趙建國你們司長請假嗎有請假假當我沒看到我沒有看到你們我沒有看到整評司司長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2014.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2018.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
國防採購事主任趙雅萍政務辦公室代理主任藍靜婷人事參謀次長是次長劉沛智情報參謀次長是次長謝日昇作戰及計劃參謀次長是次長陳文新 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2046.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2059.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
後勤參謀次長是次長陳道輝通信電子資訊參謀次長是次長鄧恩蓮訓練參謀次長是次長張俊志陸軍參謀長陳建義海軍參謀長邱俊榮空軍參謀長王德陽 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2075.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2083.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
後備指揮部參謀長薛淵泉縣指部參謀長呂正芳陸軍後勤指揮部參謀長劉清薰支通電軍指揮部參謀長陳俊良軍事情報局執行長鄧敦仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2101.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2103.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
電展室執行長許益新國防大學教育長李承宗中科院院長李士強 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2129.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2135.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
現場有黃仁委員、羅美玲委員、陳永康委員我們剛才一速錄已經宣讀不知道在場委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2137.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2162.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
沒有的話我們一速確認那我再跟現場兩位委員補充報告因為你們剛才在路上那個禮拜四因為總統府都有軍談所以往例如果禮拜四排國防部部長在中午過後都會請假那本委員會也都會準所以今天顧立雄部長會在12點的時候請假赴專案會議那我們也予以準假那本委員會應該都問得到以上補充請假的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2165.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2169.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
本日會議邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況．並備質詢。我們現在請顧立雄部長上台報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2187.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2213.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
主席、各位委員先進,今天應邀致大院委員會實施業務報告首先對各位委員就各項國防施政的支持與指教表達很自感謝接續報告近期,重大國防施政,主項分數如後以掌握區域情勢及敵情威脅,當前國際安全情勢聚焦於中東緊張情勢、南海爭端及台海議題上 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2216.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2230.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
今年北約峰會發表聯合宣言,日本南韓、澳洲和紐西蘭首都納入宣言,顯示北約強化與印太安全連結,增強跨區域的安全合作。令司法安全電話也表達反對中國片面改變現狀的行動。 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2243.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2267.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
年底美國總統選舉將對全球區域安全及印太戰略情勢造成影響,本部將密切注意並實現應處。在敵情威脅方面,對台威脅模式、方式、模式區分、聯合戰備警詢等。太陽共軍持續於每月3至4次頻率執行聯合戰備警詢,加強對我軍事威脅。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2273.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2285.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
今年2月份驚嚇水域事件後,中共海警不定時進入禁建式水域來騷擾藉今年的時機首次編組海警船一部 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2289.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2308.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
臺灣的周邊在執法後續研判將加強維權執法並結合法律戰、任職戰進行灰色地帶的洗澡中國航艦持續進行訓練第36次航訓與我西南去西太平洋海空運從事跨島鏈的海空聯訓令與海 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2311.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2333.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
南海及海南島附近海域從事第37次航訓,藉計劃性的聯合訓練展現其反介入區域聚集的實戰能力。研判中我將運用正規並非正規的手段,驗證攻台作戰與抗擊外境的能力。國軍持續保持高度警戒,掌握周邊共機艦動態,對共軍以越中線挑釁的行為妥適應處,捍衛國家主權。 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2341.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2349.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
國軍備戰役組,中共以複合式的手段持續對我從事灰色地帶洗澡,並運用聯合力艦軍演戰備警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2351.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2374.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
等行動祈祖行託對臺動武的合法性,國軍持續注收當面共軍及台海周邊的情勢,並對漁業海峽中線之共機艦失竊派遣,空中兵力攔截,海巡艦艇並行監控,並實施廣播警告,以及提升陸基防空暗制的反艦飛彈帶射姿態,全面應處。 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2378.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2402.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
針對共軍無人機,習早國軍確診、鑑別、識別監控、告警通報、安全確認及防衛設計原則應處,並籌購各種反制裝備及系統,提升整體防禦能量,並掌握中國公務船舶的活動情質,與海巡署建立通報機制,適時增援兵力預應,應對中國的侵擾行動。 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2404.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2414.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
國軍藉由各項軍事演習模擬各種可能的作戰場景,增進應處正能力,作戰區地面戰備部隊海,實兵實裝方式,實施戰備徵詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2417.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2434.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
國軍耿旭入力戰訓準備,同步調節相關處置規定,徹底各階段應對行動,以反制及應處中共新常態洗澡,捍衛國家安全。反制認知作戰,近期中共持續對我認知作戰,試圖多層面影響國人認知,削弱我國軍民士氣與團結。 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2463.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
以創造有力中共的資訊環境,面對中國認知作戰,國防部持續強化的多元反制作為,針對網路錯腳訊息,除立即查證並依並通報相關單位,共同執行網路溯源及印儲,並結合AI技術建置虛擬主播,可立即翻譯18國語言,快速印儲、重複 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2465.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2479.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
及增加國際傳播效能。近期多起疑似中共網軍冒充國軍官兵以網路散佈不實言論,均立即以國防部發言人的臉書成名,降低錯假訊息影響。為向國際傳達臺灣防衛覺醒,邀請在臺灣媒報導漢光 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2486.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2510.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
演習的操演實況,並主動揭露中國對我黑色地帶洗澡與軍事威懾,使國人及國際社會瞭解中共破壞區域和平的行為,並爭取國際社會對台支持。令本部與國防院學界合作自播教學影片,解析中國對我認知作戰手段,並擴大教育面,提供公務員在職教育、民防教育及各級學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2511.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2522.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
國防通識課程教學應用,並以持續強化媒體的識讀能力工作。憨光四少演習 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2523.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2547.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
今年演習區分高階幹部圖上兵棋推演、電腦輔助指揮所演習及實兵演練等三個階段,驗證區中心化運作、快速平站轉換、連站指揮機制均獲得重要成果,各作業區同時驗證運輸能量、完成重要軍品物資前推預置、分區囤儲作為,令驗證國軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2552.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2577.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
通電支系統的韌性,實施指管系統備援接替等科目執行實戰化演練。高階幹部土上兵棋推演於3月18至29日實施戰役及專程級推演,藉互動研討及時廣益,並於4月19至26日執行八天七夜電腦輔志指揮所演習,藉日夜連續狀況推演,驗證聯合作戰計劃的適切性。 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2581.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2602.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
實兵演練則於7月22日至26日以實兵實地實時方式執行,取消預演及展演性科目,遂行日夜聯繫及聯合作戰演練。令7月24日起因應凱米颱風清洗,各級演訓部隊迅速調整及時投入災害防救任務。 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2603.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2613.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
5.全民防衛動員,本部依《全民防衛動員準備法》等規定,召集各部位及地方政府,精進全民防衛動員機制,棄9月中旬供召開9次跨部會協調。 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2615.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2639.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
為有效提升地方政府佔災、搶救應變能力,今年民安10日演習以民生必需品、配售等為重點演練,令萬安市7日重點驗證民眾實際進入防空疏散病安處所及暫時在民生活救濟站開設演練,使民眾熟悉應變措施。 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2639.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2644.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
今年14天教召訓練規劃增訓起見900語言,同時增調民防協力等時數,並持續推廣後備軍人自願接受教召與自願參加步槍射擊訓練。 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2656.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2684.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
年度軍事人力動員同心三十四號演習,演練後備軍人報導部隊編程等並協同縣、警、消及民防團隊驗證全民防衛動員的物力動員的志強四十號演習,採全國分區同時方式執行,演練全民防衛動員,支援軍事作戰。6.義務役徵集及訓練成效,一年級義務役至今年1月25日開始徵集。 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2686.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2709.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
異難依陸武駐地訓練、基地訓練及聯合演訓等階段實施完整訓練,並藉由民防訓練習得確保家園安全正能力。陸武訓練為遊民轉軍重要階段,採循序、漸進方式,逐次加強新兵體能、戰鬥及射擊技能。年度期八月底,義務異難以完訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2711.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2724.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
依依依然以完訓的13梯次4532元依然噴花制部隊後持續講話編制武器射擊停人戰技等訓練使依然以疫情內習得新式武器操作要領經手個人職務專長 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2727.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2746.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
另於基地期末建設時,將跟隨部隊以戰術位置實施戰場經營、作戰計劃演練及各種狀況應酬,並與民防團隊共同執行防型傳遞等科目。一覽服役期間,完整接受駐地基地訓練後,將具備執行戰備任務能力,退伍後納入動員專長邊管,可廣除後備部隊量人。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2752.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2776 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
7.成立國防創新小組,為適應現在戰場變化,效反美國引進民間承受科技做法。今年2月1日成立國防創新小組,並透過商情調查及公開徵集等方式了解國內外科技最新發展狀況,符合需求之方案,納入國軍建安程序進行籌貨。創新小組聚焦領域包括AI輔助 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2782.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2801.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
目標便是自主導航等領域,現階段將無人機直管、反制無人機系統及水下無人艦艇等需求列為優先項目,並以國科會等政府部門協調設立跨部位平台,藉定期會議整合國防軍事需求及民間產業能量。 |
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2803.604 |
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另與嘉義亞創中心及國內外科技公司交流掌握科技發展的現況此外亦持續與美國航空創新單位及印太司令部建立常態交流機制及取美方作業模式及經驗選擇最佳方案提供國軍建案籌貨參考八新式武器籌貨面對中國 |
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2831.139 |
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規劃將無人系統、人工智慧列入兵力整建重點。114年軍事投資預算 |
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2868.353 |
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針對 |
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2893.683 |
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國內無法自製且短期內可獲得並快速提升戰力之武器系統則循軍購途徑無籌貨目前執行中公開對美中大軍購案具有新型戰車等18案美方與本部密切合作致力改善軍售程序確保如期獲得各項武器裝備迄今具有遠程進入火力打擊系統等案 |
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等案項提前獲狀此外,此外持續與美國安團隊綜合運用各式的安援援助手段以加速我完成接裝訓練、縮短行程戰力啟程、強化自我防衛能力9.國防自主藉由國科會的國防科技學研中心整合國內科研能量推動國防先進科技研究計劃比於8月底完成其中查核 |
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本部持續投入國防科技基礎紮根掀起研究電機武器系統自主研發能量令美聯軍定期滾動檢討列管軍品清單公告品項作為廠商申請級別認證是標的截至9月中旬已合法145張合格證明書持續協助廠商申請級別評鑑以建構完整的國防產業供應鏈 |
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海豐戰力提升計畫規劃111至115年籌建雄三飛彈等9型飛彈軍醫計畫執行,國際國造規劃產制新式高焦機66架,其10月中旬為止 |
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10月上旬累計交機37架,國艦國造高效能艦艇第一批6艘於113年交軍服役,須按期程管制交艦,潛艦客規管制執行測試,新型救難艦預化下半年交艦。 |
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3011.447 |
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令尋國內採購管道級為中科院產製無人機,今年度規劃獲得7型918架,目前進入正常,蓄意騎乘管制各型無人機結角,提升國軍部隊的戰力,亦促進國內民間無人機產業發展。十一第十減少 |
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3021.375 |
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第10減少形式管理及訓練方式,為有效發揮組織功能,強化部隊戰力,在具有堅實的基礎上,虛心檢視組織結構,管理文化及訓練方式,實屬強化戰力必要的積極作為。 |
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3048.621 |
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戰訓本戶及部隊實務管理需求、分就官兵休假還原回報、出國自由行旅遊、近戰格鬥及正部操點等訓練、實施休條,其目的在於提振官兵士氣、培養自主管理責任感及落實符合防衛作戰場景的實戰化訓練、減輕刑事管理 |
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3079.739 |
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行政事務復合,增進工作效力,並秉促展演室的訓練而專注戰訓本務,以提升部隊戰力。此外,全體國兵堅守崗位,各級指揮機制及任務部隊軍人有效應處,相關應變指揮與留職規範已經詳細律定,為兼顧各級幹部隊家庭照顧,以利國軍人才長留久用,自6月份起取消政府主管不得同時離任並依。 |
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這個突發狀況處置規定留旨11.114年國防預算編列概況為建構有韌性之國防戰力本部依施政重點及政府財政客尊臨機預算精神妥適編列預算114年度整體國防預算6470億元較113年度增加464億元其中年度預算4760億元 |
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3135.576 |
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令特別預算及基金預算分別編列904億元及806億元,所獲預算之重點以建構不對稱作戰能力,強化防衛韌性及堅實後備戰力等要項,除優先挹注法定義務必要支出外,所以為此會著重裝備零附件及保修各式彈藥籌補,提供良好後勤支援,軍事投資者配合 |
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則持續配合重要武器籌購分年編列預算,並納列潛艦國造後續艦等新政案,展現自我防衛決心因應嚴峻敵情威脅,國軍持續保持高度警戒,入力各項戰訓整備,並破壞各項重大國防政策,以強化整體防衛能力各項國防施政計畫及114年度預算編列,懇請各位委員先進能夠大力支持,並繼續給予指導謝謝大家 |
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好謝謝部長部長請回我們現在開始進行詢答的部分本會委員8加2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘我們10點半委員會發言登記截止如果有任何臨時提案請在10點半以前提出11點左右我們會看詢答的狀況來進行處理首先我們請陳永康委員上台詢答 |
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主席好有請顧部長來部長請另外也請陸海空軍參謀長山軍參謀長部長您早早陳委員早 |
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由於近來國際情勢的動態變化再加上中共的軍演施壓我想國軍同仁承擔了更大的責任跟壓力當然在您的領導下這個分層負責授權但是我們還是覺得我們共同還有努力的空間那麼因為談到國際情勢在您剛剛的報告裡面講了跟講的就跟美國那個布林肯講的是一樣的就是說朝鮮半島東海台海南海 |
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3256.248 |
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台灣跟烏克蘭是完全不同的地理狀況 |
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所以這個我們這個美方啊善意派來的JTT啊他的成員大部分是陸戰的經驗因此強調了以烏克蘭兩年多的這個經驗啊累積起來啊那麼強調的這個分散式的指管去中心化 |
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去中心化分散式直轉在烏克蘭在這個北約跟美方提供的因為他這是部隊復原散佈很廣所以他的鏈路受限所以他是去中心化但是陸上部隊去中心化較容易海空軍的去中心化非常難請問野戰防空跟區域防空的差別在哪裡可以去中心化嗎你海上的攔截做制海比方講 |
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將來陸軍接收了M142海馬斯火箭你有30公里、70公里甚至300公里射程你跟逾差飛彈的射程是相同請問去中心化以後如何使用所以去中心化它是一個手段是代表你的指管系統在某些情況下功能中斷不完整分層負責各作戰區它有了解 |
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去中心化是從頭到尾他不是目標所以你同時在指管系統的強化下強化他的韌性至於地面部隊分層負責那個去中心化是容易實現的各位看這張圖上啊幅員這麼大我們現在講的俄烏的東部戰區實際上在庫爾斯克只是在上右上角的那一小塊 |
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沒有大進展那麼以台灣這個在東部在烏東烏南兩個台灣都進去了在這種情況下的質管 |
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3390.982 |
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國防部長 |
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這裡面有許多是real time information的sharing如果你沒有一個完整共同圖像去中心化以後那就是用簡單的圖了我現在請教陸軍參謀長你現在的UTM的圖啊90張你要把它改成數位化什麼時間可以完成 |
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3430.789 |
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3454.017 |
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向委員報告這個案子現在軍備局的401廠正在依照我們軍種的需求那因為這個製圖他從測繪他這個位照他都需要相當的時間那目前已經有一定的產製出來的成果這方面會依照我們軍種的需求來製作 |
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我當然了解你那個限制因素了這個光不是401場的問題401場本身事實上UTM本身在內政部也有這些圖那你要跟衛星同步校正現在問題是我們面臨的挑戰不是光你90張UTM的坐標圖我們空軍用的圖JNC ONC的圖UTM坐標圖是幾萬分之一啊 |
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3499.124 |
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有大圖幅小圖幅依照作戰成績不同對你大圖是多少有兩萬五分一五萬分一對你的大圖是五萬分之一但是海圖呢 |
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3500.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3526.089 |
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20萬分之一50萬分之一按照比例那航空圖呢這個50萬分之一百萬分之一甚至200萬分之一所以當我們要掌握大的格局區域安全情勢的時候你各軍的圖基本上用GIS校正WGS校正以後他是可以套點這個時候你才能夠看到一個完整的周遭態勢 |
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3527.27 |
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3543.155 |
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我們在場的同仁我們的專業背景不同工作經驗不同可是你沒有一個共同圖像提供一個完整的判斷就會產生下決策過程中間或是討論過程中間比較難得到一個完整的共識這個部分 |
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3544.275 |
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我建議這個UTM的圖要加快因為這個國際情勢變化很快美方交件的物件裝備後面也會越來越快如果圖資不能跟上你的準則叫範完全不能跟上所以同樣在這個情況下我們的國防大學的這個子參教育的圖集要同步更新 |
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3566.585 |
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3591.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
另外我是建議包括航圖像這個在國際航圖圖的本身現在都不是機密但圖上掛的資料是機密所以共同圖像的平台是可以政府內部甚至跟學界都可以找一個相同平台那我下面可以顯示給您看用了共同圖像以後你的判斷如何會方便起來所以烏東戰場就兩個台灣沒有了 |
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3594.189 |
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3594.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
達到今天是977天了 |
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3620.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3647.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
明年就職完大概才來看條件怎麼談那這種情況下他的變化其實是不是每天大變化那因此在烏克蘭的作戰中間因為是Starlink全程support他跟我們未來的所謂的one web那國軍還希望進一步要跟他努力來定義他的清楚那下面我們這個圖各位看一下我們很快的走一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3674.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這是把臺灣圖轉90度我們這個用的是行動態勢說明圖用的是方法論臺灣如果暫時美國有三天的時間在你東岸可以控制宮古巴士掌握狀況他並沒有來幫你我們來面對挑戰國際航線這是中共發布的演習這個遼寧號航線的位置 |
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3677.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3700.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
掏碟前三次演習所以所有的狀況用圖像再掛上資料庫那國防部對報紙上發布的這是一個概念圖是示意圖我們了解當然在內部我們希望有一個更精緻的共同圖像對於每一個層級開會尤其是國安層級能夠有一個更客觀的圖像 |
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3727.022 |
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剛才講到的包括布林肯都講了朝鮮半島東海台海南海這個周遭的細部圖都要能夠比對套疊包括動態那我們關心的是什麼呢不只是動態的形式左邊的這幾個中間我相信我們都很多很努力在做但是有些地方也需要強化戰略預警騎乘多遠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3736.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
聯演兵力規模多大聯演範圍涵蓋多遠演習期程可長可短演習步驟可快可慢軍警同步 |
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3738.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3764.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
維權施壓反應時間戰備提升反應作為快速整備共同圖像要全程掌握情質分享有盟合作國安戰略指導部會社會的韌性全程對應這裡面我一直到今天向大家強調的就是共同圖像提供長官一個客觀周延的一個平台判斷平台我們把圖持續套疊上去那這個是示意圖 |
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3789.083 |
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我們可以用路途海圖航圖經過比照套疊產生不同的效果那可以看到更細的部位包括我的涵蓋徵收範圍跟這一次中共的涵蓋範圍這個裡面我用的是是概括的但是我這個方法告訴各位讓長官可以看到哪些是超出了我的偵測範圍哪些要透過跟友盟情之交換 |
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3790.283 |
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3806.294 |
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所有的圖像都要校正套疊,這裡面的經緯度是全部比例,各位看過大圖小圖通通校正過的,這個時候就提供給長官一個比較宏觀客觀,很容易在短時間形成共識的判斷,包括朝鮮半島最近的緊張狀況。 |
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3824.174 |
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中共執行立見演習,我們也這個方法論都論出來了。最後,因為我也有觀察的重點跟提出的建議,這個我們會後把這個當作資料提供貴部做參考,因為時間剛剛到位,謝謝耐心,請部長做一個指導。 |
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3847.02 |
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這個陳委員所指教的建立這個共同作戰圖像這個也是應該的那當然我們現行已經你也知道有一些共同作戰圖像的一個行程那現在您剛指教的就是說各軍種的這個部分那麼我們現在海軍跟空軍的部分已經有納入 |
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| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
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路徑的部分我想我們會盡快的再加速來建設另外我想更重要的是一個指管的備援的韌性您剛剛也提到就是說去中心化它本身不是一個目的而是在我們一旦面臨的狀況的時候我們還能夠遂行的它依照它的任務來遂行它的依照它的任務的這個 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是羅美林委員 |
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謝謝主席 有請顧部長顧部長請是 羅委員好 |
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部長早安昨天呢本期跟國安局呢探討了這個聯合力艦2024B的這個軍演我今天還是要跟部長再談一談這個10月14號聯合力艦2024這個軍演的這個部分那中國解放軍呢他是在14號的凌晨5點宣布要展開環台的軍演我想請問部長 |
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這對我們來講是突發狀況嗎?我們世界有沒有接到任何的通知?我們世界曉得在這個時間點上會有這個軍演活動嗎?您是說這個情緒的預判是不是?情緒的預判我們確實有一些掌握那因為依照相關的這個他們的一個動這個 |
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就是比如說遼寧號等等那還有他們的海警船等等的然後還有這些相關的軍艦他們的動態然後他們還有一些這個在之前的一些官媒的上面的一些說法那我們當然會做一些情質的研判那確實的時間點我們事先並不知道只要說可能會有 |
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是這樣的意思嗎?因為我之前看到這個媒體報導說其實美國有被告知這是事實嗎?我想我們跟美國有保持充分的溝通但是我想說確確的哪一天我想我們預判它會進行但是沒有辦法預判說是確確的是哪一天不是我是從媒體上面看到就是說中共在這個軍營以前有告知美國這部分是事實嗎? |
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我想我沒有辦法代替美國回答這樣的一個問題但是我們跟美國有保持綿密的一個情緒的交換 |
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早上一覺醒來 |
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軍演了,那之後也會發生類似的狀況嗎?會變成常態性嗎?你是說類似聯合力艦這樣等級規模的這個軍演?對,是時間點會不會就突然間來個半夜兩點?我們只能夠說中國會利用各種的藉口來實施一些大規模的一些演習的可能性,我們沒辦法排除 |
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但是他平常應該是剛剛我們也在業務報告裡面提到他每月平均大概3到4次的聯合戰備進行這是現在是已經固定的但是以這麼大規模來進行這一個軍演的話我想說要因為所謂的常態化這個概念要稍微定義一下我們現在只能夠說觀察到現在聯合戰備進行是有一個常態化的一個現象 |
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但是聯合力艦的這樣規模的一個演習,他基本上還是會,可能會在不定的時間裡面,不定的時間裡面來進行這樣子的一個 |
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所以部長您的意思就是說也許他就是突然間就告知就像我們這次14號對國人來講就是一個好像是突擊式的這個軍援所以我才想說我們事先有沒有訊息得知說他這個時間點14號早上凌晨5點 |
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中共他要宣布來展開這個軍演的這個活動我想了解是這樣子說說往後可能我們隨時就會stand by也許半夜某天的半夜兩點三點突然又來了一個軍演我們應該是說我們已經做好應處那但是所以不管他任何時候軍演我們都做好準備的意思我們沒有辦法確確的能夠掌握說他是在exactly是在哪一天宣布軍演但是我們已經事前有掌握相關的情節應該是這樣講 |
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好那部長當然我昨天也有跟國安單位在談到一個讓大家很憂心的就是說OK早上覺得有一點點風聲鶴唳可是後來呢那股票記得台股那天早上剛開盤的時候有一些震盪那之後呢也都沒事了到收盤還收了紅盤那像我們一些概念股金工股啊 |
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李慧琼議員 |
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海警船2901編號 |
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委員會主席 |
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比以前都還要大可是國人好像都忽略了那還有就是說中共呢他好像也刻意的釋放出這也還好我們只是一個軍演那甚至呢還送了台灣一個甜心派的一個愛心的這個圖當然台灣是無法消受啦那類似種種他們的戰略是不是也是一種兩面的這手法鬆懈國人的這個 |
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警備心然後可是呢實際上他進行的所有的軍演都是比過往的都還要來著更加的這個這個嚴厲可能會演變成也許部長你一直所強調的你所擔心的油鹽轉戰的這個可能部長這部分你怎麼看呢 |
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對,不管是由信轉引或由言轉戰,這樣子的一個想定都在我們這個研討的範圍之內,然後也 |
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他這樣子的一種可能的行動會壓縮我們預警的時間然後這個可能性是存在的所以我們因應這樣的預警時間壓縮的情況之下我們這個要進入這個比如說要進入到一個加強截備然後再進入到來 |
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來應急來應處的這個時間會在壓縮情況之下我們配合這樣子的一個想定我們就來縮短我們所有應該要準備的這個時間事實上跟委員報告可以說在今年的韓國演習事實上就已經納入這樣的想定 |
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中共在海上灰色地帶的侵擾是非常的頻繁尤其在南海我們也看到菲律賓在今年跟中國的衝突其實是明顯的 |
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提高了很多,比如說中國的海警船它曾經好幾次的蓄意衝撞或這種高壓水砲的方式來攻擊菲律賓的海警船或是民船,甚至還強行登上了菲律賓的船隻來奪取他們的槍支跟裝備等等,這種狀況會不會發生在台海之間呢? |
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南海的這個灰色地帶行動會不會複製在這個台海之間?我們一直持續關注他這種灰色地帶的一個洗澡的一個可能性所以在這個部分也納入我們跟應處的範圍那特別是有我們要跟這個海巡要做充分的結合配合然後做一個即時情緒的一個交換那同時來共同應處這樣的一個可能的作為 |
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所以這部分也是會是我們擔心的部分是不是?哪天就像就是滄香走火了然後呢中國呢需要製造更大的這個衝突來造成台海之間的這個不平靜應該很明顯就是說他的海警他的海警這一次向配合軍艦來共同行動他就是意圖運用這個法律戰跟這個心理戰跟然後認知戰來作為將這個台海內水化 |
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臺灣問題內政化的目的海警要用執法作為彰顯主權事實上我們也要捍衛我們的主權我們認為像這樣子的一種進行應用海警作為相關的作為我們要隨時警惕然後要妥適的來應處 |
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海警船排水量高達12000公噸 |
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國防部：國安單位： |
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對,我們希望國內有所警惕,那另外我們認為海警結合海軍,他們的海軍來從事這樣的共同的這樣子的一個演習或者是操演,這樣的一個行為事實上是屬於你不能夠單純的將他的海警作為執法的一環,應該是屬於軍事演練的一環這樣子 |
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王定宇召委 |
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謝謝主席麻煩部長有請部長 |
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部長早我非常贊成你剛才講的一句話不要把他們的所謂的警巡警察行動Cost Guard單純視為那樣的行動它應該是一個準軍事甚至於就是軍事行動這概念是對的料敵從寬我先請教中共從啟動聯合戰備警巡到現在它的頻率大概多久一次這個問題我昨天有問過國安局長 |
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我剛剛業務報告也提到了這個每月大概三四次那也就是說每週一次對差不多所以我接下來繼續問之前我先提醒不只提醒國防部國安局我也提醒我們立法院的同事跟各界不要陷入中共命名的陷阱邏輯我一直問你有沒有聯合力艦CDEFG |
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他隨便把一個戰備警巡加一點規模你說沒有我就把他取個名字叫C去削弱你的公信力讓內部失去互信那個命名的邏輯齁因為名字是他來定的樣態是他來決定的所以我們在這邊去猜測他有沒有利件CDEFGHIJK齁那個全部是由他來決定所以不用進入到這個命名的邏輯陷阱重要的是我們自己做好什麼樣的準備所以回到我剛才問的題目齁 |
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在共軍或者他們的coast guard平均每週一次的聯合戰備警巡他的樣態大概是什麼樣子有用到戰鬨機嗎海空兵力都有嗎都有這樣子的一個狀況存在他大概他平均起來大概機艦大概量是多少 |
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這個不等,這個不等,這個有時候他,因為您剛剛提到的就是說他是一般的聯合戰備警巡的話,他就是空軍的兵力,然後另外海軍配合抵近24海浬嘛,對不對那另外他如果還要結合海空聯訓的話,那他可能會西南再過來,然後再往到東邊,這樣子所以應該已經提到兵力啦 |
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昨天國安局長回答我說有新增一個狀況就是他們有用了登陸艦我不知道我們這邊海軍用登陸艦在做巡航這個是正常還是不正常 |
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這個跟委員報告一下我們在我們所掌握到的在這次聯合力艦2024B並沒有看到他們用登陸艦但是在戰備警巡有沒有是啦戰備警巡有嘛對在前幾天有一個但那個那是新的因為以前沒有是但不是在這次的聯合戰備對對就是不是聯合力艦B啦也就是說我看了一下昨天 |
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聯合戰備警巡用到登陸艦是尋常還是不尋常? |
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應該是說他也是做一個操演那只是他操演裡面的一環而已他採用的是哪一款的那個兩棲登陸艦報告委員我海軍參謀長那他一般的聯合戰備警巡那他都有一般他的想定的狀況那除了必要對我施壓的風控之外他用那個兩棲登陸艦參加聯合戰備警巡 |
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是哪一種?我現在列了4種那它有LST它主要就是以這個大概是動拐樑型的這個LST那偶爾會它比較有時候我們有發現到它動拐腰又在比較遠會做這個部分所以有用到動拐樑也有用到動拐腰是所以它不只一次距離不等那可能就在做一些必要的複合式海灘還有一個想定你們研判它把它放進去它是要做什麼? |
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4895.831 |
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可能就在做一個實戰化的一個戰場所以就是航道的熟悉是戰區的管理是那我們有沒有什麼反制因應之道對這些情形報名所有有進到我們責任區的部分我們都會透過我們艱增還有我們都我們的案子的這個飛彈都有做目標的船地跟子弟都有做一個反制的一個訓練那我們的自海的飛彈部隊都有做一個戰備的一個運作 |
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最近對岸有沒有不正常的集結狀態或者是兵力、物資的移動您是說就是近期來 |
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在地面的部隊裏面沒有地面沒有那那個兩位幕僚先請回我先再請教部長下一個題目是我們除了海空軍重要以外本席非常注重的是我們單兵的裝備我也謝謝部長在我們的T112的步槍雷子器跟光學瞄準儀那個確實是可以縮減 |
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訓練的時間提高訓練的成效甚至於未來後備戰力要迅速成為合格的步槍兵這是有注意的那個金額相較於大型裝備其實沒那麼大但對陸軍對我們的步槍兵的戰力是有幫忙的那本席現在要提的是抗彈板抗彈板是保護我們第一線作戰部隊的生命安全 |
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所以過去曾經發生過網紅拿抗彈板來打當然那個測試的方式也許不符標準但也顯示國人對於我們國軍抗彈板防護裝備能力的重視但我最近就發現我們軍備局局長這件事情可能在你來之前發生還是之後我不知道你注意一下這個事情我們今年初205場採購抗彈板的陶瓷抗彈陶瓷 |
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那得標的兩家廠商普插田被判定他是經過越南洗產地的中國貨插盟他用的是回收細粉作為原料結果被政府採購往上你去看google上面就有判定是無法絕標那因為時間關係我直接點出一個問題 |
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在這一次決標裡面有幾個問題除了我剛才看到以外你知道表面的塗層我們竟然是用聚氨酯不是用聚尿美軍是用聚尿跟委員報告我們規範就是一定要用聚尿他用的是聚氨酯你去查聚尿比較貴可是他韌性比較好結果你們那個材料上面塗的是聚氨酯 |
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居然只是低階工業材料他的韌性很低這生命安全的問題所以局長部長這個要注意一下你們明年說要開始量產對不對跟委員報告明年的量產案現在都還在招標階段你計劃明年量產我趁你還沒有量產我告訴你哪些問題第二個你們採購的規格 |
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有一個叫磁性快扣就是我們穿上那個反彈背心可以趕快扣趕快拿下來你們用的是磁性扣你知道嗎局長這個的話是在我們的外歸部分我們有注意到阿為什麼要用磁性扣我告訴你美軍美軍的ESAPI抗彈板是不採取磁扣 |
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我們稍微搜索了一下全世界各軍種用的防彈背心它的扣都要用非磁性你知道用磁性會有什麼問題嗎海軍陸戰隊的指北針就失效了在水中的時候或者在移動的時候它會吸雜物所以世界各軍都沒有用磁扣只有我們台灣軍備局在採購的時候用磁扣而且就一家有磁扣其他都沒有這不是綁規格標嗎 |
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跟委員報告這些委員提供的資訊我們會下去還有再來我們的抗彈陶板是要用碳化矽的陶瓷你們得標的那一家齁那一家某盟是用回收矽粉判定無法決標請你注意第二名第二名得標的那一家他的生產線根本沒有生產碳化矽陶瓷他如果能夠供貨你去查他貨哪裡來的 |
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不要用Made in China的你懂我意思嗎不是第二名就好欸也不是第一名就好欸你們這整個投標案齁壓壓烏啊還有不是就這樣子而已啊你們為什麼多了欸以往都沒有你們為什麼這次多了在他那個夾層裡面放了PE部啊 |
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一方面那個陸軍常委長穿的PE布第一個那個透汗性有問題第二個我後來去看了一下只有一家投標廠商他有能夠他在甲層裡面放PE布其他的沒有規格標持扣規格標然後呢塗料給我用用這一個聚氨酯去取代聚尿 |
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外行人不知道聚胺酯跟聚尿那個進去那個任性那個是有影響的局長請問一下這個採購案是誰決定的這些規格 |
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跟委員報告所有的規格都是205廠根據他們的去年7月委員所指導完之後新式的抗抗版來用測試完之後我們就結合了我建議局長我講坦白話我也不先入為主我也在沒有證據下我也不講是誰但是不要拿205廠跟生殖中心當墊背不是這兩個啦主持會議的時候 |
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是誰要用磁性快扣的你抓一個點那個顧部長也是法律專家你抓一個單點看那個單點是誰堅持的大概就知道全貌是什麼就是說這些規格會妨礙我們的抗彈背心抗彈板的量產如果照這樣量產下去以後是不合用全世界只有我們用那個有磁鐵的開玩笑所以本席 |
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提供這一些事實上他後面的廠商還有跟我們原來軍服供應商一直累積無法供應售後服務讓國軍弟兄抱怨連連的同一掛人同一掛人 |
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軍服我們的公營站他就做不好了想要來做抗彈板你做好保護生命安全做好我都沒有意見我很少針對標案體檢這個事情是影響到每一個第一線主戰部隊作戰部隊他能不能抵抗抵抗子彈的襲擊的這生命安全的問題而且這一批大量採購下去我們搞不好未來連後備部隊首備部隊主戰部隊這三級的部隊都會用到 |
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所以部長我最後一點時間給你齁這個案子你怎麼看因為剛剛委員指導的這些相關的這個事項當然我也是剛剛聽到了齁那就這些事項我想下去軍備局應該要做個瞭解 |
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然後查證完之後再我本來還有狙擊槍阿什麼的我那個時間我不要佔用太多我在跟相關單位討論但我提醒部長因為明年要量產是所以有時間上的問題當然我們希望要量產因為部隊需要但不要為了量產採用不合規格劣質的廠商我就這個建議好不好謝謝是我們一定會來注意這件事情好不好是謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們顧部長來 部長請 |
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是 黃委員好部長今天我要問的議題裡面可能就是對國家的安全包含國防的安全絕對有息息相關昨天我問國安局局長 |
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題目裡面以哈中東的戰史但是未提到朝鮮半島朝鮮半島在前4天以前就已經發生了鐵路的一個轟炸也造成兩航之間這些的紛擾但是對我們台海的局勢絕對有影響所以接著我要問的是 |
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我們你是法律專家我想請教 |
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美國戰略與國際問題的研究中心已經發布關於中國反分裂國家法的報告中指出明年是該法律制定20週年有可能進行修改更激進的為實用武力統一台灣提供合法性那請教部長有何看法要如何因應 |
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我想對於任何這些 |
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有相關的這些智庫單位所發表的報告我們都表示予以尊重不過我想中國公布相關的任何的規範都有對我們來講這個是對外政策的宣示效果我們兩岸互不隸屬的國際現實對我方是不具管轄權的所以中國內國法跟香港法律的適用解釋對我們在台的國人我不認為有任何的拘束力那他如果要 |
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我們現在不要模糊一個焦點第一個不管是聯合力線A聯合力線B |
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昨天國安局局長可能會引進到聯合力線C剛王定宇委員也特別有講不管用什麼方法可能會有其他的代號但是現在反分裂國家法這個既然都已經釋出對國際的鮮言那我們不得不提防 |
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因為我們在反分裂國家法的是在2005年的中共通過基本的法律其中最重要的內容是以下條件將以和平手段完成統一第一個台灣從中國分裂出去的事實 |
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第二﹐發聲將會導致台灣從中國分裂出去的重大事變第三﹐和平統一的可能性完全的喪失﹐所以該法是中共設定統一台灣的條件和統一 |
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後的基本治理的原則所以這個我們不得不防因為我們現在已經紛紛擾擾我說部長你要有自己的因應的措施跟看法你再說一遍那是不是可以來回答我這個問題 |
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我想我們是不會採取挑釁的作為我們大家共同的目標都是在維持台海的和平穩定現狀所以我們不會採取任何挑釁的一個作為那現在看起來包括禮拜一這樣的一個聯合力艦的演習還有剛剛講的這種每個月每週進行的那種常態化的聯合 |
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戰備警訊等等的這些從事這樣子一個挑釁的這個行為的都是中國所以我們希望的就是能夠維持台海的和平穩定現狀 |
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好就我們國防部的角度我們有一個退將叫戰右俠退將那你們已經做一個懲處因為他已赴中所以你們要為了表達對整個親中的這樣的一個行為也造成很多的降官可能也會發生那你們有什麼樣的看法 |
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我們已經就是說多方查核認定這個他確實是有違反這一個兩岸人民關係條例第9條之3的這個規定所以我們經過審查會的認定之後做出這一個適切的一個行政的這個懲處他現在也請了法律律師來提出辯護你們有什麼看法 |
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其他的就是有關於青年扶勤的同意書在某高中發放青年扶勤同意書給學生 |
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並注明是依據全民的防衛動員準備法及配合地方政府學校青年服刑的大隊需求擔心是動員高中學生暫時自願參加後勤的工作 |
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這邊有一個調查的報告以戰爭無關但是這是教育部對媒體所回答的說這個以戰爭無關請問部長像教育部這樣的一個說法你認同嗎第一個我還是 |
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說明這個確實是跟這個學生會不會參與軍事行動或軍事勤務有關是不會有任何的關聯的這是第一點第二點就是說我想這個整個對學生的這個教育訓練的目的是在於任何這個重大災害或者是任何緊急狀況發生的時候他們能夠在這個校園裡面能夠自救 |
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所以我認為重要的是在於有從事這樣子的一個教育的一個訓練那第三點我認為呢像這樣子的一種志願的一種同意書的調查我認為是可以檢討廢除啦我個人認為是沒有太大意義所以今天有一個某高中已經發放青年扶勤同意書給學生那如果是依據的是權動法那就是涉及到兩個部分 |
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第一個這件事應該是國防部主管或者是國防部參議第二就是前動法第三條指出在動員準備階段是要這個機除戰時總體戰力動員實施階段是要支援軍事作戰及緊急為難這是怎麼樣的一個戰爭無關這怎麼會是無關呢 |
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我只是說明第一點就是說這個按照權動法的這個15條的規定這個教育部他要訂定一些相關的計畫那這樣子的一個計畫他們所主要的目的就是在讓這個校園 |
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他們在任何重大災害或是任何緊急狀況發生的時候他們能夠發揮這個讓維護校園的安全跟自救救人的一個功能所以我剛剛認為已經表示我認為重點是放在這一個教育訓練上面至於他們說要發放這個這個同意書這個部分當然是由這個教育部來主責 |
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當然不是很有意義而且趕快修正因為這個是造成居民或是家庭或是很多全國的學生的不安 |
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這就是一個製造一個問題讓居民讓百姓都已經不安的一個議題那另外就是我想請教我們目前來講我們在你上任之後你採取了這些 |
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李穎的宣教有 |
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第一個 |
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部隊不請沒有減少幹部的業務反而讓部隊把簡單的事情做成一個複雜的工作提醒部長真正的問題在觀念和執行的落實部長如果要下令卻沒有去了解實際的狀況或執行的話 |
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這等於是改革只是紙上談兵那我也希望在基層上的官兵更加的苦不堪言所以我們你要實際了解你所下達的這個命令到底下面有沒有去執行你來回答一下好不好 |
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是,我覺得委員指教的是對的,我應該要進行了解就是說有沒有因為我想要達成一個比較人性化的管理,然後減少這個形式主義,然後用檢法來刺猬,這件事情到底有沒有貫徹到基層,我應該要一切了解 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是徐曉欣委員 |
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副董事長 |
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部長好,我們今天要討論的議題嚴肅而且重要,是關我們在飛彈在戰爭時期燃燒的速度是否能夠一致以及是否能夠達到預期的效果首先我們知道在飛彈當中有許多的物質,我們先看第一個就是過濾酸氨,這個AP固態的推進器 |
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那過濾酸呢是過濾酸胺的原料過濾酸胺可以說呢它是固態的等同過濾酸胺的半成品我們就統一呢叫它AP非氮的固態推進器那呢它的這個過濾酸胺的成品為切割符合這個需求的球狀目前有規格兩種直徑225跟400微米那它是美國管制出口的關鍵的原料 |
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我們是請中科院來回答 |
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你院長我好 |
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好是除了第7項之外都有需要齁這個除了第7項沒有使用AP之外其他都要用到AP表示過濾酸胺在這2400億的特別預算中可以說是舉足輕重的那呢其實先前林傳媒有出一個報導關於中科院外購過濾酸胺出包的問題那就是這個零成分的過高 |
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那抗中的飛彈射程只有勉強這個呃過低標而已那這個報導不曉得部長您有沒有看過是我有看到那是不是請中科院來說明那等一下我先講一下齁那這個呢就是齁有三個重點第一個中科院是不是有放水沒有按照合約送驗第二個呢是不是有零含量超標嚴重的問題第三個是不是有廢品過多有200噸放在廠區的問題 |
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我直接很簡單回答,過濾酸胺它是一個強烈的氧化劑,如果過濾酸胺碰到磷馬上就爆炸了,怎麼可能過濾酸胺裡面含磷呢?所以這個報導就是一種錯誤訊息的報導,真的我們不用相信它,真的。 |
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我們來看一下我們接下來有2400億的抗中的飛彈在去年112月向美國太平洋公司進口163噸市價台幣8000萬的過濾酸胺我們看到的是第一點是我們有沒有按合約送驗這個問題你還沒有回答我 |
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所以不需要驗收也沒有關係?如果我製造不成的話我當然就退貨 |
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所以有檢驗?當然有檢驗。好,你們有檢驗就對了。是。好,所以呢,好,那我們看一下,那美國這個,你是怎麼檢驗的?你是第三方抽驗嗎? |
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還是美方抽菸? |
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美國來的是你說是比較好但是呢我們來看一下 |
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我再強調一遍 |
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我認為這份報告應該它中間有一些錯誤的 |
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所以你認為這個報告是有錯的但是我告訴你一下這已經不是第一次有人去查核了這是第二份以上有人去SGS去查核這些從美國寄到貨的一些相關的這些美國寄來的樣品那美國太平洋公司寄來的樣品 |
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他在送到台灣的時候在樣品上面來說是有些微的不正常但是還算是可以但他的大貨送到我們香港的表面抽樣的時候就開始比例開始不正常了在大貨桶內的抽樣的時候就是極端的不正常的情況 |
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所以我們可以看到就是說呢,廠商給了我們的大貨,那在表面上面是有一些看起來是比較符合的AP,但是呢在裡面來講的話是會有問題的 |
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我必須要強調我製造飛彈的固態火箭 |
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你經驗出來的東西那當然是後續嘛但是你前面你還是會有他的原料啊 |
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在JP10的部分除了固態的部分還有液態的部分在液態的部分我想請問一下JP10的純度應該要是多少 |
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正常的話,我們希望它的純度是越高越好。多少呢?我們現在精煉出來之後的JP10都到99%以上。99%以上,那有沒有加入其他的化學物?有,這我不方便講。 |
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有嘛,你沒有不方便講的問題,因為其實呢他這個資料是有可以看到但在美國的軍方的資料裡面我可以給大家看一下正版的美軍軍規裡面呢他很清楚的看到這是我們有花14塊美金來解鎖的美軍的軍規裡面他寫到外四清二環五二西必須要介於98.5%到100% |
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但是在我們的JP10裡面是只要在加劑了相關化合物裡面有達到98.5%就算合格那你認為現在台灣的這個JP10跟美國官方的這個軍規的JP10有相符合嗎?沒有,所以他正在接受我們的輔導產制 |
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所以你們要介紹那所以過去有多久的期間是已經這樣子的狀況那已經填充進我們的飛彈當中的委員沒有沒有那什麼時候才會因為你現在的這個查核情形嗎那你看到的是我們現在你說中科院採購作業已經周延了 |
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那我現在就在針對這個部分在詢問阿 |
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我詢問你的中華化工公司你告訴我說以針周延但是他就是還加入了其他的化合物那你告訴我以針周延但又不符合美國的軍規你說你還在輔導他但是你告訴我已經非常周延了這兩句話不是矛盾的嗎 |
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我們說以針周延是我們輔導他他已經初步通過我們可以生產的規範但是我沒有辦法把他量產我們同時輔導的國家所以沒有辦法把他量產但以針周延對是這樣子喔所以你以針周延的定義好像跟我們一般人理解的不一樣 |
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部長你是最後 最後一點時間部長你是法律人你看到以真周言的感覺是什麼是已經完成了呢還是像剛才我們院長講的這樣子原來以真周言的解釋是說還沒有辦法量產那只是說我們還在輔導當中 |
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副長最後一點時間給你回答好不好副長院長剛剛要講的最後一句話讓他講一下好請再要我同時輔導國內很多家廠商在做JP10來增加他的產量那接受我的輔導他已經能夠做初步做出來的話我們就認為他你已經完成我的輔導但是最後你要我要下單跟你量產驗收的話你必須要通過我的驗收標準 |
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一個是接受輔導他合格了一個是我可以下單跟你量產這是完全不同的定義你123不都講說沒有疑慮嗎你看你上面寫的powerpoint上中華化工產能無疑慮中華化工交貨品質無疑慮中科院採購作業以增周延這是你上面自己寫的然後你現在又告訴我說他還不能跟你下單他還不能跟你交貨因為你還在輔導 |
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所以我想你剛剛講的東西跟你給我的內容明顯肉眼可見是不一樣我不曉得為什麼今天在質詢台上備詢台上還要跟我硬拗所以因為我的時間已經到了謝謝朝偉還多給我一點時間講但是我想今天上面寫的東西跟你講的東西今天所有的人都可以看得出來不一樣所以不管你的態度再如何的強硬所有人都可以看到就是不一樣不一樣就是不一樣所以我希望可以再給我們更精細的報告用書面回覆謝謝 |
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好謝謝好謝謝委員好請回好接下來進行詢答的委員是沈博洋委員謝謝主席有請部長謝謝來部長請 |
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社群通訊與家屬聯繫的實施計畫如何落實? |
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你現在講的是指說他那個社群通訊的對對對變成用社群的現在就是說我了解是說征戰局他現在是說為了能夠讓家屬跟家屬雙向溝通能夠及時傳達所以呢他就將這個設一個LINE的一個群組然後來快速的來做一個及時的資訊傳達他的原意是如此這樣 |
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因為我會問這樣子就是因為我們都還是希望能夠具體落實那我們很高興有看到這樣的一個文發出來因為我們是看到這是國防部發出來的文那當然我們在另外一件事情有因為這一個我覺得應該在落實上應該不會那麼困難但我們有看到另外一個就是在這一個58這個這個報紙部 |
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這是不是請陸軍 |
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報委員我我到目前我沒有掌握到這個狀況下去我會做個了解到委員辦公室向您報告好謝謝因為我覺得這個是蠻嚴重的事情就是說呢我們連坐這種事情就是第一個照理說連坐往下連坐這個其實說真的是不適合啦今天假設今天有發生什麼事情是長官督導的一個責任嘛那如果說今天是因為這樣然後就取消大家的榮譽假這聽起來是不太合適因為畢竟人事是有人事的規定 |
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那這個對我來講這個從經驗來講已經遇到兩次了就是說如果這個是屬實的話就會變成說我們常常人事明明就有人事的規定但是每一個旅每一個營常常用自己的方式去處理那這樣會變成上面沒有下達啦比如說我們剛剛講這個剛剛講這個家屬的社群聯絡這個是美意 |
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我們需要就每個個案來進行檢討檢討之後呢再傳遞我們認為應該正確的 |
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領導的方式跟作為。 |
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預算緣額 |
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我們看到這個就是我們是從國防部的資料去跑的這個統計就會發現真正減少的因為這一個不同的線是代表2023到2025顏色越深就代表是越近期的那我們可以看到其實在這個上層降臨的這個部分其實它幾乎沒有什麼差異幾乎減少的都是基層的部隊 |
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所以這一個目前我們就算假設我們今天真的要檢討說到底我們這個預算原額的問題或者說未來我們要流盈我都知道因為我們通常會討論到這個流盈率我們的比例現在其實都符合正常但如果我們把它拆開來看的話會發現上面是過度符合正常的 |
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希望他可以做一個通盤的一個檢討 |
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我們正在進行一個通白的檢討就各項的這個原因就包括就是說你招募有招募成效進來之後但是你的不適乎然後太處或者是這個流盈率的這個的這個比例是如何那這些部分呢我想我們都應該要去理解他的原因是什麼那 |
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李卓人議員 |
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的一個相應的一個一個一個待遇的比較基礎然後來增加這個招募的這個成效那招募進來之後呢我們怎麼樣讓他能夠來伺服那這個剛剛就提到了這個管理面也也是很重大的一個一個因素那除了管理面之外呢那我們整個對於這個他就在在 |
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趙牧的那個當下他是不是就能夠知道他所要承擔的這些相關的工作等等那他對於這個軍中的這個管理這些相關作為他是不是就他來看的話他是不是能夠充分的知悉他所應該可能面對的這個環境是怎麼樣這個我想都應該是要從趙牧劉瑩跟還有管理面還有待遇面的各方面要來探討他的誠意這樣子 |
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政戰後也會針對這個做一些研擬跟討論我們就看在年底之前或在明年的時候我們看有什麼叫通盤的方案因為畢竟部長一開始上任的時候最主要強調的就是業務上的一些不必要業務的減少違規戰訓本務 |
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針對這件事情來看一下到底有沒有辦法做到改善那這一個業務這個部分我先講到這邊接下來我想講的就是比較回歸戰訓本務那這個有澄清就是在講說這是兩件事情第一件事情它就是說這個復工站的這個食材因為這次有山陀兒 |
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山陀兒畢竟停了稍微比較久一點,它停了三天。那有一些這個復工站呢,他們就會發現他們的冷凍庫啊,這個預備的這個食材存量,撐不到兩三天啦。那但是我們有去稍微詢問其他的,因為這個陳情的只是個案。我們有去問其他的復工站,有一些復工站是說他們的食物其實本來按照他們的存量是有辦法存到兩三天的。 |
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但是可能有個別的他沒有辦法這樣做那因為這一次颱風他是有預警的但有時候會有一些無預警的一些地震天災也有可能會兩到三天那我們有問一些復工站的人員他們會講說就是如果今天是有預警的話他們有時候也會讓就是他們採買的這個對象比如說準備多一點比如說瓜果類的啊可以放比較久的啊或者冷凍的肉食品啊等等之類的但我想知道的是因為剛好這是山陀兒啦所以有一些零星的這些陳情出現 |
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國防部是不是可以針對這件事情重新來做一次盤點? |
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現在一般來講應該是說主副食的部分按照規定應該是30...主食是30日以上主食是30日以上然後單位的冷凍食品都在7天以上這是最基本盤因為畢竟現在我們雖然是討論平時但是我覺得總是我們要去考量到各式各樣的事情的發生 |
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所以對於這些個別的這個我們再跟國防部來溝通然後看一下至少讓我們確定不管是在糧食不管是在武器等等之類我們都能夠有好的這些存放對所以我想如果有這樣子的話那麼如果有單位太依賴這個護弓戰的這個食材的話這個可能我們要來檢討一下這樣 |
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謝謝部長那我本來還想問無人機那因為時間不夠了那我再問幾就是一樣都是跟這個有關的好了就是也是食品的就是說我們現在有這個當然我們有這種加熱式的這種餐盒當然也有這種乾糧有各式各樣的那我們當然也有遇到一些陳情是在講說因為這一包其實不是很便宜就是在外面買很貴可能要五六百那我們看過海巡有採買可以採買到兩百多塊當然是便宜蠻多陸軍應該也是可以買到比較便宜 |
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但我會如何我們一個月現在的這個餐食費按照這樣處一處其實他不可能每一餐都吃到這一個但我們知道美軍也不可能每一餐吃那麼好啦那但是目前我們對於因為之前國防部有提到這個熱食追送那熱食追送跟這種乾糧會跟這一個現在這種加熱式的餐盒目前第一個就是我想知道的是他的規劃如何但第二個最重要的就是預算 |
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有關那個就是類似這樣子的一個條理包這樣子的一個我們在明年已經規劃試行新增這個搭配部隊來做那大概是規劃在28 |
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臨楚英委員 |
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國防部長顧立雄 |
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特別點到就是面對中共的認知作戰所以國防部持續有包括防制假訊息啊反制中共軍事威脅提升媒體識讀能力那多元反制那麼第7頁也寫到說本部跟國防院學術界有合制所謂的這個媒體識讀的教學影片 |
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那麼我們現在是不是就直接來實測一下就是面對中共的這個認知作戰或是這些訊息的提供我們在這個反制上面或者是軍事威脅上面媒體識讀的能力到底我們能夠讀出什麼來這個是昨天其實我在我們同樣委員會當中我有詢問過這個就是蔡明彥蔡局長這個是中國的軍演他們首度在YT上面直播 |
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那麼我們都知道這個youtube上面中國人是看不到的啦他們除非要翻牆啦那麼也就是說其實只有我們在這個自由民主的台灣或是其他全球可以看得到那麼我就想要就教部長或者是我們現在陪同的將官們這樣的一個直播影片 |
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當中國其實是看不到的時候他所要傳遞的訊息是什麼尤其是他是從中午12點13分開始然後到19點19分可是如果根據我們的了解現在他們所宣布的時間期程是大概6點左右就結束了那麼面對這種直播他透露了什麼樣的訊息呢部長 |
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其實我們有相當成就發現他那個直播很多是預錄的畫面並不是真的直播 |
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委員好我是情報支次長是當天的這個直播如同剛剛部長所說的這個絕大部分它都是預製好而且有很多其實還有左右兩邊的畫面喔在我們的鏡頭所以看得到的右手邊它其實就是有一個量是網路宣傳影片啊講這個共軍軍力有多麼英雄威武然後聯合利劍但它其實這個就是拍攝好的你是指這個部分嗎是好 |
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直播的部分也有部分是預錄的直播的部分應該就我們去觀察他那個跟現場這個演習的這個部分狀況是不一樣的而且有影片發現是跟過去某一些影片其實是完全是一樣的所以看得出來是有很大部分是預錄的一個不是真正的直播的 |
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好那麼類似這樣的訊息當然國防部不見得會把這樣的訊息公開給民眾知道但是有沒有把你們的研判做一個包括在這一次之後做一個必要的讓我們知道軍中袍則能夠知道因為這個是有助於其實 |
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在化解認知作戰當中一個非常重要的就像我們看到右手邊我們都知道這一定是預錄的畫面可是我們不知道的是在左手邊是預錄的畫面但是在右手邊的時候這個所謂直播網當中他所拍攝的到底是廈門是不是真的是廈門然後廈門的對岸所看出來的到底是哪裡是金門嗎還是其他的地方那像這樣的時候比如說這是預錄的畫面你就會覺得說這是造假 |
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那這樣的訊息有沒有直接的在部隊當中在軍隊當中讓我們國軍弟兄知道那麼他有傳達是什麼樣的資訊到底是我們面對這樣的畫面該恐懼焦慮或者是其實他就是一個紙老虎 |
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或者是他就是一個虛假的假訊息我們該怎麼樣來判讀他所傳達的訊息是什麼比如說我們現在講到的我們還有跟這個學界合作所謂媒體的試讀那這個我們到底試讀是什麼因為他如果覺得這一次做了有效他下一次會再做 |
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報委員很簡單跟委員報告這個其實就是一個複合式的灰色地帶很明顯的太陽舉兩個簡單的例子 |
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他所要傳遞出來的訊息裡面所講的重點不外乎就是要告訴我們所收看的這個民眾 |
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委員會主席 |
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謝謝 |
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好不好意思主席我的這個幕不見了被認知被被被滲透了嗎 |
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我會建議把它也放進你們的教材當中 |
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他本身所傳達的這種所謂動嚇或是認知戰的訊息當中必須要傳達清楚那另外一個其實本席非常關心的就是這個本席一直持續在追蹤那就是在9月6號的時候媒體臥草所提供就是在我們的營區當中事實上 |
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交通部內政部經濟部農業部其實他為了當然所謂現在的政府資訊公開那麼他會有很多其實他當然原本的設立的意義跟目的並不是為了這個去洩露軍機或是軍事要塞但是在政府資訊公開的情況底下那麼我們發現9月5號有一個農業部底下所屬的農水署水利署的這個鏡頭 |
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因為在沒有關注的情況底下偏移而拍攝到了動態的軍方的營區的影片那麼其實我必須要先說的是國防部的回應非常的迅速確實也說立刻就做了遮蔽但是我想要就叫請問的是後續的部分那就是 |
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從這麼多個部會至少交通部內政部經濟部農業部再到地方政府有沒有全面的去清查在我們的重要的軍事要塞外頭有沒有類似這樣的監視器因為他的用意原本可能是為了交通可能是為了農田灌溉水利清淤防災等等的需求但是既然 |
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對 |
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入軍司令部常務長 |
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那他後面他們認為這個鏡頭他們沒有需要所以除了先遮遮蔽之外那後面是已經移除了這是第一個部分那第二個有關於全面清查部分因為我今天我後面的數據我下去跟委員報告但針對這個案子我們有下一個通令第一個就是這些基於公務部門他為了監控他的這些 |
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作業上面的正常他會依據相關的規範跟我們軍中包含到通知和保防部門來提出申請那這有兩個復試檢控的機制第一個就是說我們要去確認他所造的射入的區域的確是因為他這個而且不能因年久鬆動或是偏移到其他地方那這個我們藉由營區的巡管 |
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還有定時的跟他電話通聯就是說比如說對方是什麼我們就每天的這個聯繫請問你看一下你的監視鏡頭目前是不是正常大概會這樣那再加上他們來巡檢的時候會智慧隱屈我們會再去跟他做一個勸那最後一個就是說這些東西如果他是他如果是基於公眾利益所要公開的那是沒有問題但是如果是不能公開的我們會提醒對方在這個 |
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密碼設定上面要符合安全需求以上報告 |
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我相信有一些數字可能會是機密性的問題那本席想要求的是說國防部能夠在一個時間內徹底的清查然後確認所有在軍事要塞或是營區附近的這些公部門的監視器也都是認證過不是來對準我們的營區門口或是沒有安全疑慮這樣可以嗎 |
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好是我們來來來進行好謝謝林祖英委員部長參謀長請回下一位委員訊答之前我先宣告一件事情目前有收到臨時提案兩案這兩案是本席提的我歡迎跨黨派大家都來連署那這個待會我們本委員會 |
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陳冠廷委員尋答結束後我們再進行處理那處理完畢屆時休息5分鐘我們現在進行尋答委員是洪森漢委員他搞不好不叫你請顧部長 |
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市長好,我們本週一的中國聯合力艦2024B的軍演當然我想大家這幾天都討論很多,但我們看到一個狀況 |
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在中國的一個媒體這個鳳凰衛視他刊登了一則新聞在這新聞上面他直接在地圖上面標出了我們這雄風機動發動車的部署的位置其中還寫出包括海豐四中隊甚至還有部署在淡水跟花蓮的地址然後甚至包括了經緯度 |
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部長你知道為什麼這個媒體可以得到這些部署位置的地址跟座標嗎?經緯度座標我想就這些我們的陣地的這個位置透過相關的位照應該就是可以取得吧 |
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那但是我並不知道鳳凰衛視本身到底是怎麼取得的不然這個新聞上面是這樣寫他說這是中國的網友那他結合了包括青年日報上面的照片也包括結合民眾拍攝的照片還有網路上面的街景的照片那他去辨識出這個相關的路標海堤建築物那透過這個方式去反向去找到 |
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國防部長顧立雄 |
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其實這等於是曝露我們其實一些應處相關的作為部長你覺得如果中國網友就能這樣做那你覺得解放軍做不做得到跟委員報告我想解放軍當然可以照到我們固定的陣地位置那現在就是說最重要的是在於一旦有任何狀況的時候我們的機動的戰術的位置這個部分要讓這個 |
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解放軍不能夠察覺所以機動的戰術位置是一個重要的一個事項而且這樣的一個機動戰術的位置應該不會是只有一個不然我同意 比方說以海豐大隊來說它其實某部分它其實成軍的目的其實就是要讓解放軍難以捉摸那用機動式或機動的方式這些反艦的飛彈去嚇阻 |
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但是如果在每次的演習都能夠用類似的方式去暴露出海中大隊部署的位置其實他反覆可以操作個兩三次他大概就可以摸索出你部署的模式跟邏輯 |
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來﹖ |
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委員好我是海軍參謀長那我們整個地面的一個機動雷達還有機動的飛彈的車主他都有他的機動路線以及戰術位置的選刊那我們在每次在做這些因應的這個反應的這些這些他的認知作戰的部分我們也會做一些必要的演練跟訓練那這些部分我們都有一個比較 |
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緊密的計算包含了訓擊管理就是我怎麼樣能夠減少通信跟減少暴露的程度那後面我們也會針對這個怎麼樣演訓跟演練機動路線的時候不把這一個跟作戰安全的部分要做一個調整這我們也在做一個比較必要的質疑 |
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主席 |
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那這部分還是希望國防部再帶回去對 洪委員指教的是所以現在信機管理這件事情是我們重要的一個演練的一個項目之一那確實是要讓這個你剛剛講了說他直接用推演可以推演到你的戰術位置的話那這個部分就會暴露那所以我們要提高存活力的話我們就做好我們的信機管理 |
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這部分再麻煩我覺得部長再帶回去那看還有沒有什麼更強化的應處的措施那接下來部長我還想跟你再討論的事情是我們接下來會恢復一年義務役的問題那當然大家知道說恢復一年義務役的工作其實當然是強化我們整體的防衛嚇阻的力量我們再做一點推算現在大家都知道這個2005年出生以後的義男恢復一年的義務役 |
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那這一批藝男在2027年的時候會滿22歲喔大概就是他們大專畢業的年紀喔那不然我們問了藝政司跟國防部他們預估這個2027年會新增3.5萬的這個 |
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立法院第11屆第2會議 |
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那部長同時間可是我們也問了過去3年支援役軍官跟士官的結訓人數就學班跟就業班兩個加總起來的話每年結訓的平均人數也大概剛好差不多是3500人但這只能是滿足我剛才講這樣的需求所以部長我們現在問題想問的是說如果光靠支援役的這個軍士官的話 |
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其實2027年恐怕是需要6500名推算起來需要6500名的捷訓的軍事官才能夠帶領現有的志願役跟新增的義務役不然就不容易發展不容易發揮戰力所以部長我這邊想問一下說其實針對目前新增的一年的義務役那我們打算怎麼來補足這個基層的軍事官你才有足夠能夠帶領這些義務役 |
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人才人力不想我們接下來怎麼做我想義務役的在在這個接受義務役的期間是一段那麼退下來以後成為後備裡面力量的一環那這個整個基層的軍事觀的人力的補足這個部分的詳細的部分的事情 |
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委員好,我是蓮怡市長。像跟委員報告,就是說目前我們每年,像以今年為例好了,113年,我們今年7月份,就是說我們不管是ROTC、官校正期班、各個班隊畢業的任少位的人數大概是3500人。 |
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我再給你看下面一個資訊我們其實有找到2013年到2017年上一次EWE的資料 |
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那其實義務役軍御官御士每年報考的人數其實5年大概800到8000人那這個錄取的比例是22%如果按照這個數據在推算的話2027年如果有要有3000名的義務役的御官御士如果你要用義務役的過去用義務役御官御士的話那我們其實需要有1.4萬人報考御官御士才能夠足夠 |
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那2013年報考人數其實是最多當時報考是有8000人那當年22歲的男性是16萬人大家都知道我們接下來少子化的問題所以2027年如果需要1.4萬人報考的話當年度22歲的男性的人數大概下降到10萬人大概 |
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國防部部長 |
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那我們現在打算怎麼做啊?兩個因素,我們第一個,我們一年增加帶領的人要變多第二個,又遇到少子化,人又變少這兩個多重因素之下,假設我要把報考的人數,比例原本從5%拉到14%等於要提高3倍喔 |
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跟委員報告我們會依據當時的編憲比的狀況比如說我現在後備部隊的組織編裝一直在調整換句話講我少的排長會少很多那我們會逐年地來檢討到116年御官跟御士到底要多少人我們會把缺員的部分全部把它算出來然後再去是啦照理來說這現在就可以算出來了嘛對但是我們不可能到116年才準備這件事情嘛 |
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我一定是現在就要把五年以後三年後的狀況給推算出來所以我現在在三四年前我就要做什麼樣子的準備嗎我要怎麼樣來提高吸引異難或來報考的比例我們這樣算起來是要增加三倍喔報考的比率要增加三倍 |
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那我現在就要準備了,所以你不能等到那時候再算了沒有問題,這個數據我們都會去把它算出來然後去,最主要就是說因為他就算116年畢業之後並不是每個人都會來考預官他可能讀研究所,他可能到國外去讀市長我現在的問題,我的時間快到了但我要問的事情是說如果我們現在就能對2027年的狀況做出預估的話假設報考的比率要提高三倍 |
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為了提高3倍,我們現在做了什麼樣子的準備跟規劃去吸引這些藝男到2027的時候願意用3倍的比例來去報考一日一日的藝術藝觀我現在的問題是這個跟委員報告,我們一個月之內跟到委員辦公室來把報告清除 |
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包括數字推估清楚跟應處的作為規劃清楚好不好可以嗎是是好謝謝謝謝紅三二委員部長各位請回接下來進行詢答委員林益君委員 |
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謝謝主席 有請國防部長顧部長部長請部長早 部長你知道我們國軍官兵給你取了一個綽號你知道是什麼嗎你不曉得喔 不知道 |
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8926.88 |
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他們都叫你福利雄其實那個綽號從某方面來講其實是肯定你對軍中的福利制度的改革所以今天本席想要跟部長討論一下我們不需要花太多錢但絕對可以讓官兵很有感的福利的改革部長你知道現在歐美等很多先進的國家的軍隊他們的士兵的戰鬥各裝都是可以自行選購的嗎 |
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這個戰鬥各裝開放的自行選購其實一直是國軍官兵的心聲上個會期本席也是多次的質詢就是希望能夠替我們國軍官兵爭取開放各裝的自購甚至我們國內有某些單位也有 |
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請問部長你清楚美軍的各裝制購的規定嗎? |
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我想有關美軍的這個部分的各方之口是不是有請沒關係沒關係我跟部長稍微簡短講一下好了因為時間也有限我到美國國會外交的時候曾經詢問過美軍的現役的官兵他們的做法就是像抗彈板跟抗彈頭盔這樣攸關士兵生命安全的裝備都是要公發的 |
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9015.218 |
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現在就是說我們就防護頭盔、抗彈板跟戰鬥背心這三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
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這三項是屬於安全防禦而且是重複使用的安全防禦品項就這個部分是不開放自購的 |
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那其他的這個部分呢包括有一些因為上次開會的時候也有討論到我想詳細的這個就是個別的品項的部分是不是後持續好現在我先講一下就是國軍功發其實也不是不好啦我剛剛講的情況也不是不好就像部長說的嘛有的是可以有的是不行嘛但是像我們軍備局做的T-91步槍這個大家都是覺得非常優秀的軍品啊但自製的裝備的缺點 |
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：文貴議員 |
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9118.62 |
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然後我們來訪觀來看軍人都是在最嚴苛的環境下在作戰那部長是不是可以同意在不影響戰力的前提下盡量讓他們可以選擇自己最適應的裝備開放各裝制構呢 |
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9124.611 |
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主席 |
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9182.344 |
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那15項可以書面來我看一下嗎?但沒有問題沒有問題還有一點想要提醒一下的就是說像海軍左營站的有很多不錯的品項讓官軍可以放購但是有時候會不小心採購到中國的品牌因為我發現像現在有一個Baladion就是原本是法國品牌經典的軍靴的品牌但是在2019年的時候已經被中國的特部國際收購 |
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所以之後是不是要注意一下不要去選到中國的品牌還有其實當然我剛才講這個不是責怪海軍的意思因為我覺得他們很努力的幫官兵在開發新的品項其實這是非常值得鼓勵的相對以來陸軍這方面真的要加油再幫官兵要換一些新換購一些比較新的可能要跟海軍一下學習然後請部長回去關心一下陸軍官兵的福利好嗎 |
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9226.116 |
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福利站裏面他們所承受的這些官兵可以自購的這些品項的東西我們一定在嚴格的在審視一下他們的標準不要有紅色產牌是好謝謝 |
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9230.81 |
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9241.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
有關我們跟美國採購66架F16的問題,究竟今年底之前是不是就會開始交機,然後會交給台灣多少架呢? |
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9243.985 |
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9245.507 |
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所以還不曉得說有多少架今年會交機嗎? |
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9271.156 |
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今年的話按照我們的期盼就是說他有一架會出來然後之後這個測試沒有問題之後他現在事實上這個組裝線上面也加開這個產線然後來進行加快這個組裝的這個這個這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
所以是2026年12月之前就會交付完畢? |
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9317.967 |
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那要是否表示我們在2026年底前除了漢翔公司做完性能提升的141架F16之外再加上新造的66架那等於未來台灣就擁有205架的F16戰機呢? |
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9339.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
根據這個數量來表示,未來台灣將會除了美國之外,F16是數量最多的國家。那未來我們F16機隊就是有完整的防空、制海還有打擊的能力,會是我們台海防衛作戰最重要的主力戰機對吧?是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
委員會主席 |
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9361.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9375.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
依照部班的座艙比的話,飛機座艙與飛行人員的比例,1.5的標準來算,可能未來還要多出114位飛行人員的需求,這樣算應該是沒有問題吧? |
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9387.025 |
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是,所以我們現在已經依照我們現在要接裝的這個需求已經進行了相關的這個編組的調整,然後飛行員的這個訓練都有預先規劃,所以應該是沒有問題的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9413.938 |
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所以部長的意思是說除了飛行員之外部長也知道所謂空戰出英雄地面一半工所以機工啊航管啊彈藥啊等等地面需要的人力請問空軍有沒有算過未來我們第7年對換裝F16會產生多少人力的需求然後未來這些人力有沒有辦法滿足呢 |
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9414.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9431.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
謝謝委員的關心,這個空軍參謀長向您報告,扣除花蓮跟現有的嘉義基地現有的以外,第三個臺東我們區分了三個階段,在去年底還有明年跟後年分三個階段都有妥勝的規劃,在這邊向委員報告。 |
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9436.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9458.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
也就是說它分成三階段就這個整個的聯隊所需要的相關的這些飛行員還有這些後勤的這些地面後勤維修這些能力都已經做好相關的規劃這樣子這應該是就這個飛行員的部分應該還有後勤維保的部分應該的能力部分應該是沒有問題都預先已經規劃了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9482.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
現在如果說沒有問題的話其實我們台灣的戰鬥機其實數量非常多而且甚至比日本還多嘛所以還是建議部長在規劃下一代的戰機的時候能夠用更少的人力來達到更高的目標因為我們可以把節省下來的人力成本轉移到投資和維持部隊的戰力上面像F35這種第5代的戰機就應該是我們努力爭取的目標 |
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9499.953 |
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然後最後我還是希望國防部面對台灣未來的少子化的問題應該要超前部署因應然後讓空軍下一代的主力戰機能前瞻10年到20年才是真正能夠維護台海的安全 |
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謝謝,謝謝委員執導。 |
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你好,我們請部長來,部長請是,政委部長好部長請問這一次的黃台軍演你認為跟幾次先前的這種大型的軍演有什麼不同是他們主要的意圖是在封鎖、在拒組、在外島奪取、在登陸作戰還是在網路攻擊、測試反應還是以上皆是 |
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我想他的本來過去相關的一些包括聯合戰備軍型本來就有一些您剛提到類似的操演的科目那現在這一次當然是首次以這個艦載機這個就遼寧號的艦載機進入我們的東部空域 |
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主要是壓在這個東邊的這個部分 |
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今年的話它就是從擴及到台海的周邊還有外島地區另外當然增加萬噸的這個海警的船在這個東邊那所以整個目的看起來應該就是要將台海內水化台灣內 |
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內政話另外他演訓這一次是只有一天不過他配合輿論等認知工行的手段然後企圖改這個加大這個威懾力度來影響我們的民心士氣我想這幾點大概應該是可以觀察出來 |
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那部長你覺得在這幾次軍演從2022年之後然後到聯合歷屆AB之後你覺得他的這個能力我們不講意圖就在講他們經過多次的這種環島的演訓之後他們能力有沒有提高整體的協調的能力還有跨軍種協調的能力你覺得透過這樣的演練中共的這些軍演之後他的能力有沒有提高 |
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操演跟委員報告這個聯合行動的這個能力的這個評估我們認為中國還是有很多要改進的因為操演是一回事真正實戰到時候只管通信是一回事因為操演是一種他 |
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部長你覺得他們這些演練在對於國民來講他是不是想要創造我們民眾感受到不安這一個部分你覺得他們有沒有這個意圖 |
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您是說對台灣嗎?對台灣當然是有施壓的這種味道因為這樣的軍事恫嚇跟這個灰色地帶的洗澡我想這已經是他們現在一貫都常在做的一件事情但是你覺得民眾有感受到不安嗎? |
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民眾我覺得從國防部立場民眾應該要警惕這樣的敵情嚴峻我認為中共在平板的多次環台軍演甚至是夜間操練他希望把這個軍演常態化之後反而不是要讓我們民眾感到不安他的目的可能是讓我們民眾感到麻木讓我們民眾習慣這樣子的演練認為說這樣的演練不會對我們的生活造成影響 |
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那我們的股市還是繼續漲我們的經濟還是繼續在維持蓬勃的發展我認為這都是好事我也認為我們國家的這個應對是非常的妥適的但是我認為民眾應對這樣子的必須要有風險意識所以等一下我也會請教這個針對這個民眾的部分是不是已經習慣中國的威脅而生活照常如果是這樣是民眾的意識風險意識不夠的話有什麼是國防部未來可以需要來去協助的 |
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我們要如何做好這樣的民防訓練當我們沒有這樣的意識我們就沒有這樣子的動作委員好我是秦次市次長那針對剛剛委員所提問的問題我們在前幾位委員的回答群裡面也回答到這個是一個我們把它歸類成一個複合式的灰色地帶的操作那這裡面有幾個重點包含了我們所講的欺騙 |
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當然我們所講的欺騙裡面他用的手段裡面包含剛剛委員所提醒到的降低一般民眾百姓對這樣子還台軍援會影響到一般老百姓他們生活的這樣子的壓迫感但其實灰色地帶裡面其中有一個特性就是溫水煮青蛙他希望民眾來習慣這樣子的好像只是針對國軍的這個部分 |
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所造成的壓力並不會改變民眾的日常生活我想這些都是我們必須要用跨域的手段配合其他部會共同來努力提高我們國人針對他們這樣軍演所造成的對我們的影響 |
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我必須強調我們比方我們講以色列好了他們不是不知道風險他們不會把戰爭去敏感化所以在每一個作用力的時候就是當每次在這個敵對勢力發動攻擊的時候或者是洋裝發動攻擊的時候他們都會有相應的動作所以不是坐在這邊說我們不會發生任何事情反正他們也不敢 |
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委員會主席 |
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聯合統合這些所有資訊類似像以色列的後方司令部的一個叫做homefront Command的這個應用程式一樣結合這些能力以色列的這個Homefront APP它是可以即時把安全警報發布官方指示還有行動建議也就是說我們不是只有知道OK有些事情發生而是知道有事情發生之後我們該怎麼做 |
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而且並不是來自民間的這些NGO等等來自於官方的國家的這樣才有公信力所以說依照用戶的位置還可以提出個人的警報傳達官方正式的訊息這時候避免戰爭時期或者是衝突時期的錯假亂訊息我認為這是非常重要現在他們還可以直接應用到他們的電視上面所以等於是跨世代不是只有年輕的朋友們 |
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提到隔離與封鎖 |
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傳訊息： |
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委員好有關於隔離跟封鎖這兩個不同的態樣或者是有什麼相似之處這個部分我們在國防部裡面包括我們法律司跟我們情事室整個國防部針對這兩個特別的應該講說是他們在操作上面會有什麼樣的現象那我們國防部要怎麼樣的應處針對這個部分其實我們已經在已經進行了一段時間那就法律上面的界定是不是 |
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委員好 我是法律司司長封鎖原則上它是國家對國家隔離是從國際法上後面再發展出來的一個等於是概念式的一個用語那在實際上面它是會有一些區別而且執行封鎖跟執行隔離它執行的人也會有一點不一樣那細部的話我們看是不是再跟委員做一個說明 |
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上次是有給我們針對封鎖的解釋就是透過軍事手段來圍困對手跟他的這個運輸補給但是在於隔離的部分我這個部分可能就是灰色地帶我看CSS在6月的時候有出相關的討論他是說在透過海上交通的執勤執法那這個部分我是希望說可不可以給我們相關的法律上面或者是你的相關的報告給我們因為我們只接收到封鎖的部分但是在還沒有進入黑色地帶在灰色地帶的時候隔離的部分我們該怎麼樣應處 |
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封鎖與隔離 |
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國家對國家之間的一個概念,如果他真正的實施這個所謂的封鎖的話,那以現在這一次來講的話,那他就要宣布禁航區那相關的這些船艦或者是載空機要經過的話,都要經過他的許可,像這樣子的一個全面性的封鎖是形同宣告這個戰爭 |
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那這樣子的一個舉動那這個就會進入到一個不只是影響台灣甚至影響到整個國際那隔離的這個部分他就會進行一個比較有限度的一個一個一個一個措施那比如說他是用執法的一個作為然後來用海警船的這個作為來進行相關的一些有限度的一些居宿然後或者是登檢的這樣子的一個作為 |
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謝謝部長再麻煩國防部可以給我們相關的我們的反制的做法那最後再問一題謝謝趙偉那就是我們已經接到很多不管是各國的智庫或者是甚至各國的政要都提到說希望我們提升國防預算來展現防衛決心但是我想請教就是我們提升國防預算重點不是提升而已而是要構置什麼要防禦什麼要有什麼樣的能力要維持什麼樣的能力 |
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那這一次的中東局勢我們來看到說這個伊朗以色列還有這些他的這些那他不斷的在對以色列直接發動攻襲這次好像說最近一次是發動130枚飛彈那去瞄準三個軍事基地但是大部分的這個飛彈都被攔截起來那還有公民的冷靜還有遵循安全的指引包含我們剛剛提到的這些應用的方式沒有什麼樣死亡的案例我想請教這個部長現在我們的防空的系統有沒有辦法 |
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韓國柱議員 |
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國防部廚備部長 |
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委員會主席 |
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那在這個相關應對他的這個相關不管幾周波的這個火力打擊的部分我們要如何能夠保存然後來進行反制這也是在研討範圍之內但是因為這個相關具體的作為試射機敏可能不是以在這裡公開好謝謝謝謝陳冠廷委員部長請回 |
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我們接下來處理臨時提案總共有兩個提案請醫生員宣讀第一案 |
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提案 因應高齡化社會整體護理人力需求增加,男性護理人員服兵役期間需中斷其護理專業工作,退伍後重返職場亦需時間適應醫療環境,建議具護理師鎮造藝能,優先分發國軍醫院服役。 |
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．除增加國軍醫院護理人力．亦然服役期間．亦可持續精進護理專業技術．甚或志願留任國軍醫院服務．現請國防部於兩個月內提出研議方案．提報立法院外交及國防委員會．提案人委員王定宇．羅美玲．陳永康．沈博洋．林楚英．洪生翰．陳冠廷．林義軍等委員宣讀完畢 |
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本席先做臨時提案的概要說明也謝謝我們本委員會全部各黨派都有參與聯署這是一個第一個適材適用我也感謝國防部我印象是在邱國正部長的任內我們有提過醫科的學生來當兵去當步槍兵 |
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讓費了啦不是浪費他當醫生而是我們部隊需要人才的訓練我就不用另外再訓練EMT、EMT-1、EMT-2、EMT-J嘛那護理人員也一樣因為我後來去查了我們現在護理學校護理系畢業的男性人數其實已經是數千人了所以在服役期間他的專長就是護理 |
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事材適用,縮減我們的訓練的成本也提高他的服役時期的這個工作表現的效能退伍以後更可以建構全民防衛的韌性所以以上這是本席提案的原因希望能夠讓護理這個政兆的藝男可以根據他這樣專長優先分發在軍醫單位服役我不知道現場委員有沒有其他意見那主管機關有沒有意見 |
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報告召委原例由我衰月館來回答這個臨時提案依據剛剛委員會提出的這個臨時提案我們初步評估14所國軍的軍醫院的能量是具有可行性的所以這個我們不做文字上的修正報告秉按照國防部文字修正後那照案通過我們給你兩個月時間研議是是謝謝召委好謝謝常事好第二案請宣讀 |
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| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
第二案職業軍人雖屬廣義公務員為工作屬性與公務員有本質上不同且受陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例等相關法規規範有限階限年退伍的規定由於職業軍人退伍年齡多為青壯年國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會為協助媒合磨合退伍跑者投入社會順利銜接第二職案積極建制退儲役官兵 |
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10466.189 |
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居民專長轉嫌作業系統﹐其能協助退伍袍折發揮最大轉職效益﹐原指國防部公餘進修政策﹐也應與時俱進﹐適時轉型不應再以補助學習經費為前提宣導﹐ |
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公讀與職、業務有關學位或技術證照為主,限制進修空間,鼓勵所屬官兵不論與職、業務有無關聯性或有無補助,均應妥善利用公餘時間積極學習進修,且官兵個人可將公餘進修所獲得之學位、證照、檢定證明等學習成果向人事部門申請核准登載於兵籍資料並確實完成電子兵支線傳。 |
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必立官兵退伍後,國防部可將電子兵資提供國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會運用,協助退儲役官兵媒合專長順利就業,其能無縫接軌第二職而為免避免全面開放工與進修每一招濫用,有關工與進修學習經費補助及與職業務有無關聯之人事運用,認定人因相關規定辦理上述與職業務有無關聯之學位證照檢定證明等 |
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僅登載於兵籍資料作為退伍後媒合就業之運用﹐不得作為現役期間派職、競任等人事運用之依據﹐請國防部於2個月內將國軍軍職人員工與進修實施規定﹐ |
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及陸海空軍兵籍資料管理及查證作業規定相關條文提出修正提報立法院外交及國防委員會並積極向所屬官兵宣導將此前所獲得之學位證照檢定證明等資料競速申請登載於兵籍資料含電子兵資必立將現役及退伍兩階段完成 |
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銜接落實全職癌規劃加會全體官兵提案人委員王定宇羅美玲沈伯陽洪生翰林楚英陳冠廷林益君等委員宣讀完畢 |
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好謝謝本席做提案概要說明首先也感謝這個是我們本委員會跨黨派也都連署提案那概要說明第一個這個是由於退府會有一個退廚藝官兵專長訓練的轉弦作業然後我們這邊有電子兵資的資料所以呢我們在退伍前我們所有的職業軍人在退伍的時候怎麼樣去銜接第二村繼續就業 |
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因為職業軍人退役的時候多數都還相當年輕那我們希望現有的規定是要按照他的這個職業務有關他才會列他的兵資那我們是希望他非有關的部分可以擴大他學習 |
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的他自己在利用公餘來學習那學習之後他取得證照取得相關專長之後呢我們相關單位應該要把他列入電子賓資現傳的內容但是為了避免我們補助款或者是晉升派任的困擾我這邊提案最後像還特別提到我們在補助的審查與否按照現有規定他自己想要多學比方他是裝甲兵他想要學烹飪 |
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學出役那跟現有的業務專長不同但他可以去學也可以拿到證照我們也把他納入兵資系統裡面那方便退府會後面銜接的訓練跟第二專長的派任這樣才不會我在部隊學的軍事專長我到民間沒辦法用嘛 |
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那另外在派任、晉升這個東西都遵照原規定避免影響我們現有的體制所以這是我們提案的暗游那不知道我們在場本委員或委員有沒有意見 |
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委員會提的臨時提案有關於 |
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登錄兵表還有進修的學習經費補助仍然維持與職務有關的避免美意遭到濫用以及派職進任軍事學資這些運用等等我們經審視之後我們按照委員會的這個臨時提議然後我們下去研修然後文字部分我們也不做修改 |
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好所以這個兵籍資料線傳那個要跟要要照這個做法好我們以上兩個提案哈這個原則上照案通過但是我們文字修正授權給國防部路長室來做調整處理那我們現在休息5分鐘待會繼續進行詢答 |
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11133.972 |
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謝謝賴委員、林委員、鍾委員的耐心我們恢復開會接下來進行詢答委員在進行之前本期在宣告因為各位剛才我們一開始宣告有的沒聽到因為禮拜四國防部都有軍談總統府的專案的會議所以待會十二點整由顧立雄部長 |
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11134.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
11149.238 |
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副總長執行官、權動署以及秦次次座記事要去參加那個會但是都會有代理人副部長會來代理但是在場的三位你們應該還是都問得到但我還是要宣告一下我們接下來請賴思寶委員進行詢答 |
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謝謝主席有請國防部的顧部長來 部長請是 二位好部長好我看你今天早上已經公開宣布說青年服勤的同意書你要把它取消是不是協調不會取消 |
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我的看法是當然這個我們還要跟教育部協調但是我的看法我已經表達我的看法我認為這樣子的同意說應該不需要因為我們真正的目的是在教育應該是在教育這個這個比如說這些學生他在重大災害的時候或有任何緊急狀況的時候他能夠這一個就這一個自救護救的這個能力來加以培養所以跟這個所謂的這個 |
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11235.26 |
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要不要自願來所謂扶検這件事情,我不認為這個目的跟這個手段之間沒有平衡性,所以我想我們會後我再請錢董事再跟教育部來協調,是不是就這個部分就不需要說要來發這個扶検同意書 |
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11252.25 |
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你這個一講之後啊好像反映社會反映的不錯其實啊你這是假講的 都是假啦因為全動法裡面第三章叫動員準備原來叫全民防衛動員準備法後來跟另外一個加起來叫全動法全動法裡面第15條的第一項第一款裡面就講得非常清楚 |
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11265.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
11269.409 |
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並對學校青年動員扶擒 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
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11276.605 |
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委員會主席 |
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11296.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
國防部長顧立雄報告業務概況 |
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11326.084 |
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11327.665 |
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事情就踩到底啊你去修法把這個拿掉把這個並對學校青年動員服勤拿掉這樣才大家知道你的決心我給你個數字台灣的年輕人中國民調七成 |
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11348.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
11376.167 |
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反對三戰場即便是後勤也反對他們說這打仗是專業的人去打仗志願役專業的人去打仗年輕人不要三張城的即便後援他也不要的齊成齊成所以你要不要我就問你這個你要不要修法把這句話拿掉並對學校青年動員扶勤就把它拿掉釜底抽薪可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告兩點,第一點就是說我想青年的這個部分絕對不會從事軍事情務或者軍事情動,這一點是確定的那這個所謂青年動員胡情的這個部分我剛已經講了,我認為重點應該著重放在這個 |
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有任何災難或緊急狀況發生的時候發揮這個能夠協助校園安全然後自救救人的一個功能我想這個部分我們會會後再來跟教育部做協調就這個青年動員的服刑的規劃來如何你沒有回答我問題你要不要把這句話拿掉就好啦這句話尬掉就好啦第二點權動法這個要如何進行修正我們正在進行檢討當中可以列入考慮嗎可以列入考慮把這拿掉嗎 |
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我們來進行跟因為我們這個要跟跨部會來做一個協調的動作所以我們會跟跨部會來進行演繹你不修我來修我把這畫掉好不好來這個才符合你今天所做的這些事情啦也才符合社會期待家長們怕孩子上戰場即便是後援的一樣台灣這麼小一打仗沒有什麼前線後方啦我們再看下一個喔 |
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你喊停說第5代的國造的ADF戰機說因為發動機啊engine啊你做不出來所以呢就不要連研發都不要啊中科院的院長是不是來一下啊這個講一下好不好講完講完就可以了 |
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11491.503 |
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委員那個因為投資金額相當龐大在沒有確定獲得有效的技術協助之前我們暫停這樣子的研發你這個打臉蔡英文前總統打臉賴清德的國機國造你只有討好顧部長討好美鋒而已啊這個東西連做研發都不可以研發都不可以研究跨門也不可以 什麼意思啊 |
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11503.588 |
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11504.688 |
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我看不是喔 我看是美方叫你不要研發 |
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11532.435 |
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主席有請部長 |
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吳部長本期針對少子化趨勢下的國軍人才招募與留任的困境來跟您做個討論我做現況的分析以及在去年四月士兵不似乎的原因也跟您做個討論以及人口結構趨勢變化那包括我們軍校跟民間企業產權合作的薪酬比較 |
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11612.081 |
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那最後本期有一些具體建議也要請部長您看能不能有一些具體的回應好現況的分析來講我們是人口出生率長期下降國軍也受到少子化的趨勢跟社會企業在徵才競爭人才及組織編制的調整這也就是您上任之後在做的可徵召的是您男性人數逐年的減少這對我們要維持軍隊所需的人力規模造成很大的挑戰 |
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國軍兵力結構其實是採自願役跟義務役雙軌並行當然自願役才是部隊的戰力主幹但是呢受到社會少子化及就業市場的競爭人才等因素影響所以我們衝擊的招募跟留營從109年起我們整體自願 |
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| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
11672.661 |
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那再看我們內政部疫情師的可爭剛才看的是我們真的邊縣的部分我們來看可爭的意難有沒有在減少在110年起出現逐年下降在去年的時候才有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
：議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
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11718.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
我自願士兵的薪資是36000多元,這相差無幾,但是只要進入到我們軍中這個門,他就是失去自由,而且是24小時的待命,你覺得這樣的薪資可以留得下人嗎? |
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11719.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11735.679 |
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好我們再來看軍校跟民間企業的薪酬我就以北部地區就好以日月光跟這些我們的學校我就以台灣山陽跟靈敏技術學院在大學內的他如果在在學大學當中的實習補助是2萬2 |
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11737.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11766.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
如果呢是在畢業薪資呢是3萬9好這樣的比較我軍費生我軍費生的每月生活1萬6千1百多塊人家在大學的實習補助是2萬2然後呢這個畢業後的薪資雖然每個月我們軍校生可以達到5萬但是看似呢是高於民間但是以我們的軍情的勤務及特性我們根本沒有具什麼優因因為我是24小時的待命跟失去自由的 |
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11766.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11794.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
好這邊具體建議其實就這個議題我是肯定顧部長其實你上來之後其實是有重視到我們在留任軍人留才的部分您是有重視到但是本期一定要再給你一個一個給力啊所以是建議調整軍人的薪資待遇與軍校學生的生活津貼我相信一定能夠提升我們自願意的招募成效跟從軍意願第二個針對特殊崗位 |
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| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
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戰訓任務一定要提高相對的專項津貼比如戰備執勤的津貼演訓津貼海外派選津貼等第三個這也過去戴華本席在這邊所執勤的就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11813.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
部長你怎麼看 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
11840.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11859.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
跟委員報告,您剛剛提的三點建議正是我在部內的這個會議討論的方向是完全符合的,因為我已經開了兩次還是三次以上的會議了,那我現在請人次次,就是說部長你直接回答我,那你什麼時候做定案了,你不能一直討論啊 |
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11862 |
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11878.753 |
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這個對於你在招募當中,現在大家都在爭財耶,你要4年後再決定嗎?還是在黃金10年再決定呢?還是在繼續研議當中呢?當然不會這你才能夠穩固我的軍力之需求啊,我真沒有人要當兵了 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11879.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11883.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
來 請再要回答你要只要給我講個時間就好 部長 半年嗎 三個月嗎 你總是要個定案啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
11902.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11922.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
不用,我想我們在一個月以內我會提出一些方案出來好,這個非常好,我想所有有意從軍的所有的子弟就會看到說我一個月後就很明確知道說我從軍我的待遇是如何以及配合我們相關像昭緯所提的我們未來的一些教育能夠符合社會的趨勢好,就一個月我們就來期待,謝謝部長 |
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11930.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11931.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
接下來進行巡禮委員 鍾嘉斌委員再請 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
11963.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11973.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
我請三位次長怎麼跑出四位我剛請了三位怎麼跑出了四位資源規劃師還有人事參謀次長還有訓練參謀次長抱歉抱歉你那個志願出來了我們是沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11983.749 |
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好 謝謝部長剛好承接著林黛化委員我在上週也問過您同樣的問題對不對就是國軍的人才招募以及他們的薪資待遇我的表現簡單招募短一期的志願役士官兵要知己知彼讓他知道自己的能耐你們要知道這個志願役的能耐 |
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代孕衡量職業生涯週期﹑比照警消新訓入伍﹑什麼時候才能瞭解軍旅生活? |
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上週要去檢討新訓入伍是訓練次長,你有跟我們部長報告你們現在新訓的課程內容嗎? |
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我們那個新訓八個部長知不知道八個內容部長都知道部長來我們列出來了因為上週上週問題的時候第一週就是個人資料建立都是在課堂內填表認識軍法裝備訓練這樣通通都是室內課第二週開始基本體能開始要跑步才有手電投擲第三四週才有實彈射擊還有500障礙然後五到七週才會有怎麼樣行軍 |
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戰機射擊還有第8週才會真的實戰的戰術行軍才抽籤嗎?這樣部長瞭解吼?是好你認為一個興訓入伍的人員他什麼時候大概知道自己有沒有能力來承擔軍旅生活?在第一週嗎?在課堂上你填表單嗎?還是完成了8週真正三天兩夜實戰行戰術行軍他才知道自己有沒有能力承受軍旅生涯的這樣的一個負荷你認為呢?哪一天比較好? |
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委員是認為我上次已經執行過希望在第8週不過我回去跟他們討論他們還是認為就是說我覺得我上週說服了你但是我覺得你們底下的人又跟你說要反過來了如果沒有到第8週你連這個兵適不適合當志願役的短役刑事官兵你都不見得掌握他第一週給你填表說我志願簽4年你要收嗎?汰除率那麼高 |
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我跟您比較過了 如果你們是在這種部隊裡面招募的 興訊招募的 達成率超過百分之百但是汰除率呢 比跟社會青年招募來的汰除率更高 有沒有 |
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報告委員我先跟委員解釋一下是是就是說我們在第二週做招募的工作的原因你們在第一週就招募了第一週第二週比較多的室內課就做招募是的講清楚啊我們在上個禮拜我們有眼線在裡面對上個禮拜委員跟我們講完之後我們召集各軍司令部來有研討過這個問題 |
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但是最主要的問題在於說我今天不管第一週或第二週做完招募之後我要有六週的審查包含智力測驗包含到外面他的所有就醫的紀錄你的審查是審查他在入伍之前的事情但是他在部隊裡面的實測的訓練專長訓練如何這才是他能不能適應軍旅生活的關鍵不是嗎他如果三天兩夜的戰術訓練都做不到你要招募他嗎因為他第一週就簽了四年了 |
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跟委員報告就是說他在第8週起議之前他都可以反悔也就是說在這個過程裡面他覺得他不適應所以你們意思說我們國軍招募不清只怕他反悔不怕我們反悔嗎他根本體能上不身負荷我們不會把他太除嗎等到他開始簽下去正式為他太除因為你們要達成招募率啊部長怎麼解釋 |
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意思應該是說我們審查的期間我們也會你們是審查他入伍之前的外部資料不是審查他再訓期間的表現資料對是不是沒錯嘛在訓練的過程裡面他隨時可以認為說不適應因為他簽了他如果覺得後來受不了他才會離開嘛 |
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但是你們要求一個18歲到20歲做這件事情跟你們部隊要招說這個兵適不適合來當兵你們有自己的專業判斷你們的判斷比他更成熟啊這個傢伙適不適合當兵能不能判斷應該是說他們應該是會在第8週確定的時候他之前應該還是可以決定不留名 |
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所以您剛講的是一方面是我們的審查當然你們要審查啦那另外一方面是他的 |
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他自願不想做了那是他的事情你們要不要留他因為你們現在目標管理每個部隊都有邊縣米的要求他只要招進來他達到目標了他就沒事了接下來這個兵一年兩年三年出了什麼事跟他無關了解嗎好下一個 |
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好第二個我的那個待遇問題我上次有問過你們新加坡美國跟以色列的待遇為什麼我要說這個因為我們的兵啊志願役的短役期的不會超過10年32歲退伍但是我們的警察跟消防他們可以做到55到57歲退休同樣的起薪我們看下一張 |
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我們志願役的二等兵是4萬1警察是5萬2消防是6萬2大概呢警察已經接近新加坡的水準消防還差美國的13萬很多以色列的10萬很多你要知道同樣的年齡進來他的職涯生涯這麼長你給他這個薪水跟職涯規劃只有10年青春啊職業運動選手是不是待遇很高為什麼因為他只有10年可以賣 |
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暫停會議 |
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結論就是我剛剛也跟林大夫委員提到了我們現在對於基層的這個新制的自願役的短役及時官兵對我們現在一個月內提出順便報告可以嗎是好謝謝好謝謝宗嘉斌委員各位請回好接下來進行巡導委員馬文君委員什麼意思我 |
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馬文君委員 總統府軍壇代理人 |
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謝謝部長午安過去國軍有依國防組織跟兵力結構調整的政策就是依照營區整併還有三軍共住的原則有討論過 |
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就是沒有運用計畫的營地列為空置營地來管理維護那還有一個部分就是老舊眷村拆除騰空以後他改列為空置的眷地維管的部分相關的空置營眷地曾經高達一萬多筆而且面積達到了一千多公頃 |
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那這個部分其實有很多的單位都在覬覦我們國防部這些相關的土地那在這裡包括陳前總統在89年的時候都有示導過國防部提出三個期許還有三安政策部長你知道什麼是三安政策嗎 |
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陳千總統之前提到的三安政策第一個就是讓部隊安全軍人安家還有軍眷安心這目前我們國軍還在推動嗎 |
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委員好我是政務局局長持續的都在推動 |
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國軍長期在推動的這個部分我們應該要怎麼樣來檢討因為首先的三安部隊安全我們可能就沒有好好的做到而且現在已經10月我剛剛講的4月的數據資料那另外就是國軍在114年預算原額大概是16749人已經住進軍人植物宿舍的只有7000多戶 |
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在住用率上面它高達了99.69%就是我們所有提供出來的它幾乎都佔滿了可是具有職務官色的軍人卻只佔我們軍人數的4.7%所以其實我們的供需其實是差非常多的而且這4.7%大部分都是以軍官還有資深的士官為主所以持續在等候補的這些等待的人員 |
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其實高達4000多人以上非常多的人在排那部長如果說我們剛剛提到要在募兵上面要有更好的成效 |
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為什麼我們政府要推新清安為什麼要推社會住宅其實有一個安定的家我想這是非常重要的那像部長其實以你的資歷還有你的資產要購屋我想輕而易舉可是目前的房價真的非常貴所以官兵弟兄如果要安置家人安心工作真的是非常的辛苦所以本席辦公室也常常接到軍人陳情要調動的服務在我們的 |
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陳情的案件比例上面是非常高的就是他想要調回自己的老家或者自己的故鄉因為父母還有子女老婆先生其實都是在那裡那這樣子的一個陳情調動這麼高的情況之下其實可以顯見在這個部分的需求在過去其實本席也曾經建議過其實我們應該運用我們現有的這些資產土地 |
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部長怎麼看? |
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政策上是支持委員的講法,細節上稍微說明,簡單說明一下跟委員報告,那個植物宿舍我們會依照委員的一個指導,就是說針對這種生活機能好的部分我們會全力來爭取蓋這個植物宿舍,以上報告 |
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好,因為我們剛剛提到了就是說你明明有土地那我們的銀產基金其實也都還有預算你在新南專案計畫在116年就要結束了我們希望可以儘速的去做一個通盤的一個檢討那因為美軍可以成為世界戰力強的部隊他除了他的武器精良、薪水很高以外很重要的就是他的福利非常好 |
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所以他的福利零零總總加起來其實總共大概有140項尤其美軍的軍事官中期一生他都是有職務官設的如果住在營外他的房租補貼尤其是有眷有子女的還會再往上加所以在營區內也好或者營區外也好或者他們 |
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整個一生的一些照顧其實都面面俱到那在這裡剛剛也提到說要去做一個通盤的檢討那在這裡我們還是再一次強調啦國防部應該照顧我們國軍弟兄尤其在現在我們木兵碰到這麼多的困難的情況之下怎麼樣讓我們軍人可以有更好的一個福利跟照顧讓他們無後顧之憂 |
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新建這個植物觀塞我想其實是一個還不錯的一個誘因因為我們有地有錢然後又有需求那現在至少都有4000人排著在等所以就看我們有沒有心那就這個部分剛剛已經提到說要做檢討在這個部分是不是可以提出近期可以提出書面的說明報告 |
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應該可以吧在兩週之內跟委員來做一個報告好 謝謝那另外部長也利用一點時間在這裡探討就是最近可能社會上紛紛擾擾大家非常關注 |
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然後也很疑慮的一個部分在中東地區他持續爆發以哈戰爭的過程當中5月份曾經發生以色列對加薩醫院醫療設施進行攻擊而且還阻止病患他轉院的這個事件這個事件也引起當時正在瑞士日內瓦世衛大會上面超過至少30個國家共同譴責以色列 |
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那以色列為什麼會被這些參加世衛大會的國家在會中譴責然後為什麼要攻擊加薩醫院相信他也有做出他的一個理由說明那以哈衝突大概8個月的時間加薩地區的醫院不斷的成為以軍傾角哈馬斯的一個重要目標那以色列的說法他當然是說醫院他裡面有很多 |
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地下恐怖組織的成員哈馬斯的藏身處還有是軍火庫所以就這個部分他的作戰原因他雖然是這麼說可是還是受到世界各國的一個譴責那部長我想要請教一下就是我們後備指揮部所屬的單位至少到6月份開始也要求轄區的公廟簽訂了那個 |
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但要預囤點的這個支援協定這引起民眾很普遍的一個擔憂一來但要就在你的住家旁邊二來要是發生戰爭的時候可能也遭受池魚之殃那在這個部分後備指揮部雖然有澄清他只是提升後勤支援的韌性這只是程序演練沒有進行真正的演練可是這個部分如果簽平時當然不會有什麼影響 |
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但大家想到的是現在你整體的氛圍還有周邊的一個區域緊張的一個態勢可能就會增加大家的一個負擔跟疑慮那就這個部分因為你簽了在暫時其實他就是國軍的彈藥屯點玉屯點對不對 |
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跟委員報告,它這個志願的協定不一定是玉屯彈藥的這樣子的一個志願協定上面就是寫要玉屯彈藥啊?你們上面在詢問的時候是玉屯彈藥啊?我們現在律定的就是說我們要去做一些設施調查跟動員邊管的一些地點 |
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部長部長 |
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因為您是法律人,你剛剛有提到了說就我們國內的法律還有國際法上面我們去遵循國際法上面其實他很清楚的有提到說國際法明定的宗教信仰場所不可以作為軍事用途 |
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國防部長 |
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我們國防部也好教育部或者其他內政部相關的單位包括你40萬的名利我們都知道其實在發生危難或者國家有需要的時候人人有責可是你不是用這樣子的一個方式隨便把它湊在一起剛剛我舉的那個例子除了宮廟以外你還有在活動中心在公園在學校甚至還有 |
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發言委員． |
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謝謝 各位請回應 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是張祺凱委員張祺凱委員張祺凱委員不在 |
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委員等一下啦吼那個國防部長有這個狀況啦吼 |
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本期再宣告一次這我們今天會議一開始已經宣告今天禮拜四總統府有軍談所以我們巡曆禮拜四國防部長都會請假那包含參與軍談會議有副總長執行官權動署勤事室做事室那也都有指派代理人繼續接受巡達好我們接下來進行巡達委員是洪孟凱委員 |
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主席謝謝麻煩請次長你要副部長還是次長抱歉副部長應該是郭宏輝副部長來請宏輝好 |
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國防部在本席的選區泰山就有跟我們內政部這個住都中心這邊有合作現在在這個營區裡面有部分的土地來蓋這個社會住宅 |
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那其中有部分可以國防部這邊分回做這個官兵宿舍是最夢想上這也是一個以現在我們認為是說社宅要持續做然後在土地也需要取得一個情況下互相合作的一個可能性所以說剛剛 |
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馬文君委員有講到這部分那本事也不禁想到啊就是說其實在林口地區我知道說國防部也有相關的這些設施這個營區或說相關的土地的部分是不是有可能進一步如果說現在有比較沒有使用的地方能夠來做這個設宅那也幫 |
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有關社宅跟地方上的配合我們國防部從以前到現在為止我們都希望能夠跟地方做很好的配合尤其我們官兵我舉例來講我們很多社宅裡面在分配的時候尤其我們軍方的土地自建的所有的建設在未來來講的話我們有些地方改建的 |
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主席 |
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這我們都會合作那你現在現行的一個資料在林口地區跟泰山地區還有我們相關的這個土地的部分是不是也可以提供給我會提供委員參考來那我請教這個我特別看到了一下在12頁我們有講到因為今年151來延長到一年嘛時間也過得非常快第一批進入到151一年的也在兩個月左右就要退伍了 |
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不知道現在訓練的狀況如何因為我看到第12頁只有講到8月底4000多名將近5000名期末的測試合格率98%是很高啦但我不知道是說這個有沒有灌水的原因這個期末測試是什麼新兵訓練 |
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報告委員我跟委員報告我們所有的這個新兵的一年期的訓練我們是分階段那現在馬上退伍了是進到基地的建設那每一個階段的建設我們比如說我舉例來講那今年退伍還有兩個月真的還會有測試嗎我們在年底的時候基地完了還有一個建設所以總體建設到目前為止的話我跟委員報告我舉個例子來講比如說社企 |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
13361.132 |
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設計我們看到的設計是用輔助裝備的這個設計你委員有去參觀過那經過這樣子的一個輔助裝備的一個設計他幾乎我是隨便抽問的我自己親自去看你親自去我隨便抽幾個都是滿把如果說部長在的話我也想要詢問部長是說他上任之後有沒有去關心這一批有有有我們部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
13377.194 |
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只要到部隊他都會去關心尤其是新進人員尤其一年級的因為這一年等於是說過去義務役沒有那麼長時間我們已經很長時間那今年的這一批義務役那到目前為止有沒有適應不良的情況 |
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到目前為止當然有少數啦那我們在心理輔導上來講我們也做了大概不到1%吧報委員他有些適應不良環境適應不良還有生活上適應不良但在我們的輔導之下都可以順利的完成他的任務 |
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敢講嗎?敢講實話嗎?可以講實話了可以講實話我還是必須強調我們在今年的大概11月到12月初的時候我們基地建設到一段時間是我們會開放記者實際去看我們不灌水 |
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他設計是什麼就什麼那他的設計成績就可以做一個什麼實際上的驗證我想這個都是我們眼見為憑讓記者們親自去看我們也不用抽就直接他怎麼樣就什麼狀況我想這個是這也是本席接下來本來想要詢問的我們非常重視這個對我們不會灌水是因為本席就講是說其實既然政策已經要改動了因為已經是一年期了 |
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13466.466 |
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國務院青年朋友也花了一年的一個青春歲月在我們的國軍裡面當然亦烏亦我們過去到現在我們講是說我那個時候是一年三個月四個月那沒關係現在的這個一年期那我們當然希望是說能夠看到你的訓練的一個結果跟訓練的狀況到底是不是有符合當初講說我們能夠怎麼樣來提升我們的一個戰力所以預計什麼時候會確定公告 |
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公開的日期?11月底,我們會公佈,而且我們已經廣邀記者來參觀,也歡迎委員來參觀。那也會開放給全民?我們原廠設計場地,只有媒體。開放給媒體,那之後這個有沒有開放結訊還是什麼,有沒有開放給家屬?有有有,結訊會開放給家屬。 |
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副部長請回接下來進行巡禮委員牛許廷委員副部長有請副部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
13517.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
13535.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
國防部長吳安有點可惜但沒關係因為總是要尊重國防部長行使職權所以我們願意理解但這部分就由您代勞來做回答這從新政府上任以來針對國防議題的討論看起來從輿論的反應來看其實非常多的比重在討論比如說所謂的全民防衛動員 |
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有成立的這個社會任性委員會這個討論了40萬到底是民兵還是民力還有最近這段時間的政策走向這個義務役剛剛前面孟凱委員有提到這個議期重新延長的一些配套措施那看起來這個政策指導好像有在轉向的意思 |
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因為舊本席過去這年輕時候的理解在學時候的理解那時候我們的國防政策基本上是希望走向精兵政策搭配高科技的武器去做最小的成本但是有最強的打擊能力這是我一直以來認知的國防的這樣一個走向那麼我想請教副部長本來想請教部長的問題是現在新政府上任之後現在這樣子的政策指導是否有轉向的趨勢 |
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能上任之後是不是要把以前我們認知的精兵政策開始往全民防衛動員的方向去走請問是或不是報委員我要跟委員報告精兵跟戰力他是逐步在成長的那你也知道我們的全民防衛動員過去從後備動員制度裡面 |
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13629.324 |
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因為烏克蘭戰爭我們成立了全動數那全動數的目的就是要整合跨部會的功能在全社會防禦任性上來講事實上是國際的潮流和趨勢那這個是來講的話對我們未來全民防禦動員來講的話是一個符合國際上的一個趨勢那同時在所有現在戰爭美軍也是這樣推全民社會防禦任性就是所以是政策轉向了不是政策轉向新的國防部 |
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13657.095 |
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是我們在精兵政策情況下在國際潮流趨勢下我們增加了全社會防禦人性所以你認為是增加而不是增向好那我現在就要提一些概念我們回到精兵政策討論這個114年度我們中央政府的總預算關於國防部主管大概4760億增加大概比去年增加415億增幅9.57%其中以軍事投資的預算增幅這個最高 |
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13657.815 |
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13667.879 |
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明年軍事投資預計是1457億政府大概是16.18%大概接近17左右當然嘛你當然是要為了充實國防戰力你要去買非常多的軍事設備這本身不反對但相對來講我們的人員維持的預算數量是1815億其實佔比反而從40%下降到38.14%這當然就反映也是今天媒體還有前一段時間大家有討論的也就是志願役的邊線比不足的一個問題 |
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13686.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
人數節節下降的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
13712.814 |
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所以我現在要問的是我們針對現在志願役的人員的維持還有待遇的增加有沒有一些方向我跟副部長談一下這個我們現在國軍的整體兵力邊線比從2020年89%到88%2022年80%去年現在正在保八成的門檻明年守得住嗎 |
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13723.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
13724.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
保委員守得住 |
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13753.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13772.86 |
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建隊戰術徵收防空飛彈到憲兵指揮部等等這所謂的戰鬥部隊他的缺額狀況其實比總體數據還要更加嚴重那當然我們直觀上想第一件事本期認為三個一個是待遇第二個生涯規劃剛剛中央兵委員概念很好我們這退休10年的生涯之後那是什麼 |
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13773.26 |
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13773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
顧立雄部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13813.102 |
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副部長你應該是有經驗108年我們在討論戰鬥部隊加擠提報案中其實國防部吃了非常多行政院的牌頭對不對報委員我覺得經費這件事情不是牌頭本來在國家的經費上來講我們的經費要用在刀口上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
國防部委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13860.099 |
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戰鬥部隊缺員的問題上積極來做主張新的加擠方案什麼時候會有一個具體的進度跟時間我們這個東西一直在爭取當中我們福利待遇都是我們國軍所關注也希望委員多支持我們那至於說未來怎麼去爭取我們還要看是採這個狀況來決定當然有具體時間表我們在已經提出去了那我們希望在未來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
我沒有講餘孽喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
謝謝主席 楊全發言 邀請副部長來 柏副部長請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13925.404 |
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我們針對於本週一無預警的中共對台展開了這個演習雖然說它是13個小時所以人民也不是很有感似乎認為是有點常態但是我們看到裡面有一個問題也就是它每一次縮小這個包圍的封鎖圈您的看法呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13941.184 |
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報言我跟委員報告其實上我舉4個例子跟委員報告從2022年的裴洛西女士來訪8月份她是第一次的軍演那這次軍演所劃分的她執行了7天第二次的時候是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13959.364 |
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在2023年他號稱歷屆的第一次那是我們前蔡總統出訪華安的時候會見那個馬卡西這個國會議員的時候他又第二次居然他那個時候的時間是5天然後第三次2024B今年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
委員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
李卓人議員 |
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14005.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14025.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
他出動了12艘圍繞在歷史正圍繞在我台灣的周邊所以這個情況是越來越嚴重我們怕的是什麼今天他在無預警的情況下他會在下次行動的時候有可能會突然到20海裡這都是對我們來講是威脅那全球也都發生警訊 |
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14026.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
14041.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
本席給你一分多的時間來做說明也就是說您看到持續縮小封鎖線其實是危險的是危險的那所以因此在這一次呢也有天然氣運輸船它掉頭就走了 |
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14042.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
14044.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我跟委員報告其實我們所看到很多在公共訊息發布的時候事實上我們並沒有看到他真正的掉頭或是離開 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
14089.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
這次中共非常聰明,它的演習區域它不發特定的no-fly zone,就是禁航區那所有的區域來講它是保持開放的,它盡可能把對國機的影響到最小但是未來有可能它會影響到我的燃油的運輸或者是外資的進入,這是它未來的企圖 |
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14090.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
未來的企圖如何就是你們要好好研究這也是本席告訴你的雖然中友說他們也是如期的也卸下來但是媒體所報導是如此如果你認為他沒有掉頭那你應該要給社會大眾說明清楚不要造成人民的一個恐慌所以針對第一個議題我們必須嚴肅的看待 |
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尤其在我們整個能源的方面,靠著船運,這一個港口我們要怎麼因應,你們也一定要有一套的一個協助,這個因應,這才是人民能夠安心的。是的。這一個,好。那接下來本席要請問,你說認為這個是嚴肅的,所以最近你們有發文給我們縣市政府,說要調宮廟、調活動中心來放你們的彈藥以及戰備物資,是不是? |
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這件事我們剛才不少人講過,我們會引落在這個方面做檢討這人家嚇死欸,老百姓剛問我們說是不是要戰爭的一觸可發,活動中心以及宮廟,它不是你放這些彈藥相關的設施,它沒有欸,你可以這樣做嗎? |
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報告委員我們剛剛部長也回答了說一切在符合國際法案國內法的要求情況之下就儲存地點我們會來做全面的檢討那至於說過去所訂的這個方法是公廟或是活動中心我們國防部也允諾在未來做檢討 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
陳培宇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
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14251.161 |
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謝謝主席 有請副部長還有權棟署來副部長跟白署長權棟署權棟署有來嗎陳委員好 這我們指引長林指引長他剛剛去開會OK好 謝謝副部長我想副部長你知道我要問什麼齁青年服務卿同意書造成了非常多家長的恐慌昨天呢非常多在野黨委員在我所在的教育文化委員會 |
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14252.202 |
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14270.556 |
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也接輪上場齁那所有質詢呢交易部有他們的立場但是我想我還是要來這邊問一下我們國防部這邊的狀態但是我想我會有個人的理解跟解釋我想要請教一下國防部如果我們在這個同意書上面我們看到的寫法是說協助市政府避難引導社區關懷 |
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公共服務還有行政支援等等勤務在學校的教育階段就可以完成相關的教育訓練還有演習以便在災難發生的時候可以發揮校園安全自救救人的功能如果解讀是這樣那為副部長你覺得為什麼會有這麼多在野黨委員認為這個是所謂的要把孩子送上戰場這樣的說法製造人民的恐慌那我們國防部要不要有一些說法來回應他們的恐慌 |
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14302.406 |
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國防部在過去在全民國防教育是一個大家都應該要了解的對社區的付出和關懷也是需要全民來有的共識 |
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那過去國防部所做的這些事情事實上來講就是希望在這種教育的情況下能夠讓我們的高中生他能夠保護自己保護校區的安全那這是什麼這是對於自己是有幫助的而不是說今天叫他拿了槍去上戰場這個是完全是不同的立場所以在教育訓練上來講委員也知道過去我們的高中生 |
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在教育訓練軍事教育甚至大學軍事教育他是要修學分還有課程的那基於此我們只不過是希望每一個國民對全民國防教育你能夠自己保護自己那這個是一個什麼從一個全民的國防教育來出發沒有牽扯到任何戰爭的手段 |
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謝謝副部長的說明我們回過來看權動法我也想要請副部長回應我的解讀這麼正確在90年修法的時候第4條談到動員準備事項要有中央各個機關還有直線式縣市政府納入年度施政計劃推動也就是說它本來就要立場的進行我們到了第5條來看它甚至把行政動員的準備分為行政動員準備跟軍事動員準備也就是光是準備的事項就不一樣 |
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14417.011 |
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所以事項內容不一樣,主管機關也不一樣,那我們來看下一頁在90年修法的時候,現任的台中市長,當時是立法委員,盧秀燕委員,她當時就說很多人過去都有一些錯誤觀念,那些錯誤觀念就是我昨天在交易文化委員會聽到在野黨委員錯誤觀念,他們說全民國防就只是國防部的事情 |
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14417.751 |
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他們把許多後備的工作跟全民防衛混淆在一起認為所謂的全民防衛就是後備系統當時的盧委員他說這是錯的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
我完全同意委員的看法 |
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所以如果這樣的看法您也認同而且您也覺得這樣的說法我們可以協助釐清不要讓家長惡化那我們國防部這邊是不是要協同教育部做更多積極的討論因為昨天教育部長已經致歉了那剛剛國防部長好像也說嚴議可能可以取消可是我站在全民防衛如同剛剛 |
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14495.2 |
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吳秀燕委員說的,它包含了人力、物力、經費、電力還有各種資源,我們好像不應該只是所謂的嚴疫取消,或者是只是致歉,就可以解決這個口號。我們部長的意思,我回答一下,部長剛才說,因為現在有很多繁文魯節,像比如說他要調查 |
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我們學生要去填表,像這些事情反恨乳結我們都可以考量,這些反恨乳結都可以取消那至於說,內容符合法的精神,那我們要和教育部來共同來研究那如果說有疑慮,那就修法,如果沒有疑慮,那應該我們教育部和我們共同來說明這個目的是為何,不要讓社會造成恐慌,是我們的責任 |
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好太好了我只剩20秒所以我得到了副部長您的允諾我們會積極跟教育部來共同研議解決家長的恐慌因為過度錯誤的訊息不斷的在民間散播我們來自教育文化委員會我們要表達我們的提醒那也謝謝副部長之後我們會再跟教育部還有國防部積極的討論好嗎好謝謝委員 |
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14542.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14570.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
好謝謝陳培宇委員你是今天時間控制最完美的好謝謝請坐謝謝歡迎再來歡迎常來好謝謝我們接下來進行巡禮委員是徐富奎委員謝謝主席我們有請副部長來博副部長秀元好 |
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14588.428 |
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副部長好,我想請教一下副部長,知道我們屏東縣目前有多少國軍的基地跟演訓的場域嗎?這個詳細數字的話,七處,可能不止,大大小小不止,因為我們訓示場講主要的訓場是七個訓場, |
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還有我們還有很多國軍的基地,我們陸海空都駐紮在屏東,還有很多的演訓基地,所以屏東縣是對國防部最友善的一個縣市,副部長認同嗎?我認同,而且我們對屏東的付出也很多,比如說著名的所有的煤聯的洋蔥的駐收等等,我們國防部都不予以例。 |
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14617.113 |
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但是除了注收之外我們受到的一個傷害也很大尤其我想我跟吳立法委員都一樣我們長期在地方在這個服務的過程裡面也遭受到很多鄉親的一個質疑說針對這個國軍的一個募領的一個工作上面沒有考量到一個所謂的橫貧性尤其我們像我們屏東的酒棚基地長年請教副部長我們一年演訓的次數有多少時間有多少 |
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14648.672 |
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14660.722 |
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報告委員我這樣看應該進訓的部隊從年初到年尾幾乎都有演訓是啊我們的酒棚機率有1600公頃但是我們跟一公頃的訓場的補助標準一樣的 |
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加上我們的次數比其他縣市多更多但是我們沒有受到我們不是要求要補償我們希望可以不要來演習不要傷害我們的房子不要傷害我們的漁場可是不可能啊你們還是要來演習啊但是相對性 |
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在過去這麼多年以來我們要求要去檢討這個木林基金的一個調整把中科院各軍種的一個補償費用做一個適當的一個比例的原則來保障我們地方的權益這部分我覺得我們國防部一直沒有釋出善意委員我想那個我們訓示上他一直要說他要回答那就讓他回答吧 |
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14722.453 |
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跟委員報告那個屏東的木林補助嚴格來講大概是全省各縣市最高的當然我們主要的武器火炮的訓場在屏東比較多 |
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14743.945 |
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那第二個關於中科院的部分我們最近有在研討原本的話我們是委由中科院來做補助那現在考慮到其他海空的飛彈在那邊做射擊所以我們已經在研議要把它做來做一個分開意思也說到時候會有兩個單位來做相關的一些補助 |
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跟委員報告 |
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我們業管的是主要訓場的木林補助那您剛講的是賠償我們其實有辦法的那有另外的賠償辦法只要因為演訓期間有受到任何的損傷都可以來提出這個賠償的辦法跟您做報告 |
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培產應該永遠都達不到所謂的一個標準對培產跟這個牧林的訓長牧林補助是不一樣的牧林補助是我們會有很多參考只有他的使用的次數啊天數啊還有考慮到這個聲音啊震爆等等我們有做一個補助那如果因為演訓期間造成一些傷害的話是另外來做一個培產跟你做報告市長請教一下今年我看修正計畫裡面 |
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有特別一個,如果那個子彈打到上面的又有加碼那個是賠償,是賠償,跟補助不一樣如果有受傷害的話就另外做賠償會賠償,另外再做賠償 |
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國防部立場首先要感謝這個所有屏東的在這個訓場對我們長時間下來的合作和容忍我想國家的安全 |
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主席 不好意思 |
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最後針對我們所謂的一個海洋保育的部分希望我們也要強化這些漁民已經沒辦法出海捕魚很可憐了連出海捕魚都捕不到魚另外一個針對我們所有的基地周邊的道路因為你們有很多的大型卡車大型軍用車進出但是我們道路都很狹小 |
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14927.588 |
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拜託優先處理好不好好委員我希望未來的事務我們訓練市場在這個地方只要地方上有任何像您的問題提出來的時候我們希望全民參與不是只有關門起來做我相信我們訓練市場一定會同意我希望不是我提出來你們才要改進你們應該主動要提出來是沒問題委員真的遁清目裡是好謝謝委員謝謝徐副委員副部長請回好接下來進行詢答委員麥玉珍委員 |
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麥委員好 |
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好 副部長好我們國軍保防單位查獲共某案件到乎增加了100年到112年就查獲了40案件共有113人所以對比來說90年到99年的話就獲查的9人而已就是暴增了12倍所以請教部長 |
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我們的國軍到底發生什麼事了還有第二個我們再請教這一題我們大陸姐妹6年拿身份證跟4年拿到身份證他們對國安有問題嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
有關於這兩個問題我首先要回答的第一個問題就是說有關於所謂的這樣子共諜案的暴增的情況基本上我們也跟委員報告事實上來講多半都是我們國軍主動發掘的這個百分比大概在86%甚至到87%左右那我相信這樣子的一個方式今天我們國軍之所以會暴增 |
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一個原因就是中國大陸對我們在任何方面的滲透採取各種不同方式要來滲透到我們軍隊那我們必須要檢討為什麼會有這麼多管道進來這樣子的一個方式是我們在方式上檢討的這是第一點 |
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| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
法際教育上來講我們都必須要告訴我們的官兵因為很多的共諜案發生都是因為小小的利益所產生的誘惑讓我們覺得很遺憾在這個方面法際教育是我們經常在各種不同的手段去教育我們的官兵的第三個我們需要強調的我們今天的國家安全是靠大家 |
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國軍是守在第一線守護國家安全當國軍發生任何問題的時候事實上來講我們在全社會上來講也必須要請社會給我們國軍支持也就是說如果他有這樣的現象我們也歡迎提供所以說之前其他人沒有查獲那麼多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
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所以現在我們就查獲那麼多就是因為我講中共的滲透手法越來越複雜所以說我們就是說很好就是查獲更多的話是我們要發現更早才不會被我們的國家更安全我希望我們國軍都不會受到誘惑所以說我們是要問出問題 把你額熱一下因為有這樣子的 又發現 |
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更多就是因為他們就滲透我們發言早就會預防更好所以我們新住民大陸姊妹他們拿到身份證台灣的身份證不會影響到我們在台灣的國安的問題所以也請大家不要再去抹黑或者是拿這個來去當作一個說新住民拿到身份證的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
15149.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
15149.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
國防部長顧立雄報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
15164.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15178.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
保防人員編制提升就是法源依據的標準性還有同時要確保人員升遷的管道要順利才能讓官兵全力防堵共謀的滲透所以 |
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15181.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
15194.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
保訪工作非常不容易,大家都是在這個工作很不容易,但是除了受到單位主管的打壓,還有說獨立性又不到重視的話,這樣子的問題,我們的國防部這邊要如什麼策略,還有什麼 |
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15203.293 |
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15208.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
謝謝委員給我這個機會表達保防是我督導的那我對於保防的工作我非常重視我們局長在旁邊我定期到全省任何地方跟我們保防幹部座談那我也告訴我們政戰局局長 |
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15232.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
15234.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
謝謝我們的國防部這邊希望就是我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
15262.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
謝謝主席 有請副部長副部長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15295.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
15314.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
副部長您好大家都辛苦了我今天來想要請教一下副部長應該有了解近日以來軍紀問題屢屢上新聞您應該很清楚比我更清楚所以我就直接問了 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
15315.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15341.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
那麼到底國防部目前軍方做了哪一些對應或者是調整措施我想了解一下報委有關軍事督導事實上來講我們每一個軍種單位都有相關的單位來做督導甚至於到基層的聯隊他都有相關的軍事督導那我們發現到這些我們的少數官兵在營外 |
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15342.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
15342.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
國防部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15362.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15366.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
謝謝副部長我大概了解了但是我今天來我其實是接收到很多弟兄 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
15391.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
15392.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
是完全正確是的是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15416.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15439.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
所以如果違背這樣的一個目標導致大家心生埋怨然後大家人心惶惶您覺得這樣能打仗嗎當然是不行的所以在軍際上來講要求人心渙散這件事情我們軍隊在心防始終沒有送穴過那我想要跟副部長就是轉達是 |
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15441.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15464.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
我聽到的我感受到的其實我們軍方有所謂的聯作每次只要有一個人出事你應該很了解就是從班牌聯營旅無限循環的檢討會其實對很多人來講壓力很大他做得好好的 |
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15466.004 |
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15478.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
但是呢,他馬上就要被禁修、召回,然後無限循環的檢討會,對他來講很受打擊,對他們的家庭來講更受挫折。 |
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15479.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15506.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
我覺得這不是最好的一種方式可是我們上去看這些弟兄們的留言我發現大家都會談到一件事好像很抱怨的就是說太多不好的都是留下來然後太少太儲不好的然後好的劣幣驅逐良幣走了我聽到大部分都是這樣所以我認為我們無需要本末倒置 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15528.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
我希望的是說其實我可以理解因為我們原住民太多國軍弟兄其實就像很多的行業別像很年輕20幾歲剛出來的法官要去處理那麼多他人生經驗中不曾理解過不曾感受過的案件你叫他如何做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15529.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15548.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
所以我們需要有工具幫忙像我知道的這些年輕法官現在有所謂的專業鑑定師來輔導他那我要講的是說我們很多的少尉排長他年紀輕輕他都不知道那些小小士兵在想什麼但是他要當他的輔導長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15572.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
副部長我想你應該理解我的意思但是我們這樣的一個階級制度我們非常的惜才受過這樣的訓練所以我希望軍方能夠想辦法痛定思痛去找到一些更有效更好的一個管理我們的軍人紀律的方式可以嗎 |
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15574.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15588.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
有關於紀律管理在我們國軍不單只是在我們內部制裡面檢討我們國軍管理的方式那我必須要強調過去的連坐機制事實上在一個戰場上來講是一個他必須的手段 |
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15589.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15591.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
主席,我有一個小小的第二個問題,再給我一分鐘好嗎?權動署 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
15614.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15634.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
我本來想要請教全動署這個後指部到底它的運作功能是什麼那我就不問了但是我知道的是以高雄為例平均一個輔導中心會有70個幹部有的是有薪水大部分是沒有薪水的 |
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15635.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15661.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
到底他的工作內容是什麼那我今天會提出來的原因是說很多人跟我反映明明他就是回去變後備軍人不曾被邀請參加輔導中心活動然後呢連那個賴群組也沒有辦法備加然後呢常常看到他們去發物資但是呢民眾都以為是某個特定的政黨所以我就想要問了到底他們的功能是什麼應該是準備打仗吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15661.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
謝謝副部長 謝謝主席 |
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15687.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15712.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
謝謝吳立華委員接下來進行詢答委員是蔡易瑜委員、蔡易瑜委員、蔡易瑜委員不在羅明財委員、羅明財委員、羅明財委員不在邱志維委員、邱志維委員、邱志維委員不在羅志強委員、羅志強委員、羅志強委員不在高金素美委員、高金素美委員、高金素美委員不在鄭正前委員、鄭正前委員、鄭正前委員不在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15742.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
已登記質詢委員出不在場外：均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有楊瓊英委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報相關機關已書面於兩週內答覆委員口頭質詢未及答覆部分或要求補充資料者請相關單位已書面於兩週內提供但 |
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15742.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15745.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
委員令約定期限者從約定所定本日會議到此結束大家辛苦了散會 |
| IVOD_ID |
16181 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16181 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-5 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T08:31:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T12:56:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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