| IVOD_ID |
161784 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161784 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T16:27:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T16:39:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbb91e68d67255f563e11a54d16b4ae5699762613b50df72fd75783c786b3857c15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:27:42 - 16:39:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於總統府預算凍結項目共5案。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家安全會議預算凍結項目共4案。
【5月19日及21日兩天一次會】） |
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有請總統府何副秘書長好 何副秘副秘書長好首先第一個我當然還是先要表達一下今天兩位秘書長沒有來我的看法那我還是覺得是首先第一天我今天本來聽說以為是你們都不到那我就覺得事情蠻大條但還好你有來啦 還好你有來但是我覺得 |
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昨天我們賴清德總統才說要對話嘛那事實上加上我也看你們的報告剛剛你的詢答也把今天解凍案的一些各項問題講得非常嚴重啊我個人衷心的建議啦就是說像既然認為這麼嚴重的事情而預算的一個所謂的決定權也不是副秘書長是秘書長的一個權限這種情況之下當然還是希望這個首長能夠到包括國安會包括總統府的那個秘書長 |
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但是我還是特別提一下因為至少總統府的秘書長有跟我們的主席請假那這一點的話主席也准假所以在程序上嚴格來講我覺得沒有什麼太大問題所以我們就可以開始繼續我們今天的一些詢問那首先我想要請教一下我們的副秘書長就是 |
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總統的520的獎稿是哪個單位 府內哪個單位做幕僚作業的我們的公共事務室下面的有幾個單位還有這個他們有一些那個叫做文稿小組差不多啦但是文稿小組的話是哪位副秘書長督導的是我們的張敦涵所以不是你的督導職務嗎因為以他為主 |
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那我先跟何富密講 因為我也當過總統府副秘書長以前在我的任內的話 基本上文稿小組是我在督導的所以520的講稿基本上就是我這邊要負責彙整整合然後做擬稿跟定稿那我今天發現一件事情 我想請教我們副秘書長你知道我們歷來包括從陳水扁 馬英九 蔡英文到賴清德的520講稿哪一位總統520講稿裡面竟然沒有出現兩岸 |
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哪一位總統?您知道嗎?就是賴清德總統 |
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其他的總統都會提到兩岸包括賴清哲總統就職的時候也有特別提到兩岸提到中國的滲透跟威脅那我不知道為什麼今年的520講稿會破歷史之記錄在520講稿裡面是不放兩岸這一塊有什麼樣特殊的原因讓總統府有這樣的考量嗎這個部分我可能沒辦法 |
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做這樣子的回應因為你不是文稿小組的那個督導的副秘書長但是我先講一件事情這件事情我覺得傳遞一個坦白講對總統不是很恰當的訊息總統對外釋出一個不是很恰當的訊息那就變成是有幾種解讀方式嘛一個是總統認為兩岸他做得太好好到沒話說所以不用說了別的總統都還要稍微提一下兩岸 |
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結果我做得太棒了 我無話可說是這樣的意思嗎 |
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您覺得 您當他幕僚也當了一年多了嘛 對不對一年滿一天我覺得這個部分還是要由委員以及全國的民眾來看待對 因為這個部分我直接回答說好也不是 說不好也不是所以我沒辦法給一個直接的我了解 你的回答當然要保守一點你做幕僚你要保守一點可是我要講你一定是釋出一個非常不尋常的訊息出去嘛 |
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你要嘛就是說 你今天總統真的兩岸關係做不好你覺得講了讓大家覺得 你覺得沒有東西可以跟大家交代再不然你就覺得做得太好 對不對 我不需要講 |
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那另外一個就是說也有人認為說今天難道是受到美方的壓力嗎因為兩岸關係趙總統去年跟最近的說法其實都蠻強硬的嘛這一點沒錯嘛都比較強硬嘛那今年如果520裡面他沒有一點強硬的兩岸關係的說法那跟他以前的調性不合的話那就變得好像外界覺得翻車還是打臉可是他又沒有辦法今天講的所謂的很強硬那可能有一些外部壓力我覺得為什麼剛剛特別強調 |
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當然你不能講但是外界自然而然對於總統這次的520講稿就有很多很多的解讀嘛就非常特殊的一點像我們在會診講稿的時候一定是兩岸國防外交經濟教育文化各個面向環保面向我們就可能會認為說哪些東西要把它列進去但是有一樣東西兩岸國防外交因為總統的所謂的核心職能這三塊幾乎沒有一個總統會在520講稿裡面把它落掉的 |
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那我到現在為止是不能理解啦不能理解為什麼總統在這次520講稿裡面會把兩岸這塊拉掉那也麻煩你轉告另外一位張副秘書長或是總府發言人能不能跟他示意一下為什麼今天要破天荒核心職務竟然少一塊那你不能跟我講那個二缺一總統啊就只剩下兩塊而已啊這是第一個啦那第二個我也想要請教一下那個副秘書長坦白講我覺得 |
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我蠻覺得羨慕我們賴清德總統賴清德總統最近講了一段話我真的身為也當過總務府的幕僚我看的是下巴掉下來了請問是誰定位中國大陸是境外敵對勢力誰定位的 |
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我想這個部分要問一下我們的國防部 還有我們國安部第一個公開站出來定位 當領導人的就是我們賴清德總統他直接說境外敵對勢力就是中共但是我想常常聽委員在質詢的時候 我們也是這樣定位的啊我跟你講 公開啦 直接定位的 賴清德總統是第一人 |
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那現在問題來了已經定位對岸是境外敵對勢力我真的不太懂那個邏輯啦為什麼說大陸是大公司我們是小公司要來併購台灣要提條件我要問的第一個問題現在大陸併台灣是有條件可以講可以跟境外敵對勢力來談條件的嗎請問一下副秘書長要談什麼條件我們才願意跟他談啊到底大陸要提什麼條件願意跟他談啊 |
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我想這個整個裡面的那個interview那個專訪裡面有四個字一定要看到叫做這不行啊這不行啊這不行啊他全面舉那個例子我告訴你我也有看啦我告訴你我跟你講我也有看啦 |
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他就是說要尊重中華民國存在的事實不是我跟你講你所謂這不行你前面舉的那個例子加一句這不行我跟你講外面的解讀也是很多啦第一個就講說意思說你沒有提條件就不行啊那你就跟我講說對方要提條件我直接跟你說啦沒有任何條件可談你認同嗎 |
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副市長認不認同其實賴總統我跟境外敵對勢力我有什麼東西可以談你都說他是境外敵對勢力是敵人了敵人要併你請問到底有什麼可談的我想他只是一個比喻那他沒有要去併那我跟副秘書長講我抱歉因為也同樣你說文稿不是你負責那我就要苛責那位張副秘書長了本來就是啊總統講這樣的話坦白講我覺得是對總統的職位跟高度是有傷害的 |
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那今天作為總統的幕僚單位你讓總統有這樣的一個表現一個狀況更何況我跟你講就我所知那個節目是直播嗎 |
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這個節目原則上全面的沒有剪接沒有剪接啊原汁原味那我告訴你喔有沒有剪接是一回事啦它既然不是直播的節目你做一個幕僚單位也許總統是即興為之難道你不需要看一下嗎做幕僚單位有沒有總統interview完之後把那個節目再看一遍因為它還沒播嘛沒錯吧有沒有看一遍 |
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據我的了解應該是有啦對當然要看啊看完以後沒有一個幕僚沒有一個幕僚覺得中央獎這樣不對一個幕僚都沒有嗎你有沒有看 何富密不是後來才看到但是提醒我15秒鐘一 主權絕對不是商品啦 |
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二 我覺得賴總統對於主權的堅持是大家有目共睹的第三個部分 這個訪問裡面它只是一個比喻但是更多的部分在論述台灣主權的重要性以及中華民國的尊信不可侵犯以及尊重國民我想 而且最後一個部分就是其實我們這一次的專訪我們在日本打開市場了 |
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那用這樣子的比喻更多有商業思維的朋友也會更認同我們我們當初的起心動念是這樣子當然委員的指教我都聽下來我也記錄下來其實我覺得你三點講得很好啊謝謝非常好啊尤其第一點可是我好怕你會突然再問我 |
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可以認識這麼久你都OK的我知道啦我跟你講你剛剛講第一個就是重點嘛主權不是商品是的所以他結合第三點就是你的比喻你說這只是個比喻你把主權比喻為商品坦白講我覺得我跟你講我先不講賴清德總統啦人有失言比喻不當也是有可能可是幕僚的部分更何況我還是講那個節目又不是直播 |
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我真的覺得你如果幕僚稍微有點敏感度在事後看了以後應該也要點出這件事情啊所以這一點是我還是覺得說幕僚工作還是要做好那最後我要特別講就是說基本上賴清德總統我覺得那個朝野的對話我很支持但是呢 |
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為什麼要加一個國安的限制啊我們中華民國草野之間因為重視當然重視 那你跟我講經濟不重視還是說外交不重視還是說今天農業不重視 環境不重視你是學長 其實國安裡面都有包含啦那我跟你講 你就針對台灣的政經情勢做大家一個相互溝通嘛因為重視 所以 因為太重視好啦好啦 我跟你講 坦白講啦 我還是那句話啦 |
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既然要朝野對話就不要給自己框一個框框啊因為總統是一個有高度的職務除非你不要嘛你不要是一回事那是一個政治選擇但你要的時候就大家覺得說 |
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感覺我覺得格局跟氣度還可以再恢弘一點點雙手都要張開來去跟大家對話協商雙手張開我就說一點點只有國安這一塊可是用國安來做的話才是真正的規格啊好啦我跟你講我要告訴你什麼叫國政經緯萬端 |
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國政經緯萬端不要什麼都冠國安兩個字啦國安當然是一個範疇一個國安的專業範疇領域也有他的一個專業定義範圍那你什麼都無限上綱也不一定是一件好事這是我最後忠心的建議啦所以如果說真的朝野對話真的不用去框現什麼樣的框架謝謝你 |