| IVOD_ID |
161772 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161772 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T13:46:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T13:56:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbafb406fdf3a74a39cdb65d50a7385bb67364d18bd4e850e845ac82267c343f1a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:46:38 - 13:56:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、教育部就「性騷擾防治及外聘督導制度精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們這個血汗委員會等了好幾個小時才輪到花園那我請我們衛福部次長還有社家署副署長 |
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市長,我想今天我們大家共同討論凱凱這一個案子那我們也充分的討論,就稱呼主席講的,他說叫我前菜公公的好,我說他伯,那我想就是說跟市長跟副署長就是做一個探討,所謂社工的一個督導跟外聘的督導,他們前者上 |
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權責上其實基本上有很多的一個分工那性質上也有很大的一個差異那如果我們說社工督導是機構內的主管那外聘的督導就是機構外的一個顧問是不是這樣子呢委員這張表其實做得很清楚他我想在現實的運作狀況下大家就是像委員這樣子的分類那個等一下時間暫停主席我的電腦沒有那個螢幕 |
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不然這樣我不要問了啦 主席 借你的口就是講說凱凱案跟這個林業情沒有關係啊 給你說就好了主席我要講結論啦 大家委員都肥大你給他說就好你這個螢幕沒有出來啊 你影響到我的質詢的品質啊所以我的重點就是要講這些剛剛後面螢幕剛剛是有 |
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那我委屈一點,那你要不要幫我講,你幫我講我就不要問了 |
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好謝謝主席我想說次長這個很明顯就是說用這個圖表裡頭我們去看到了就是說社工督導跟外聘的一個督導其實在權職上在身份上在功能上其實是完全不同的最重要就是說社工督導其實他是管理就是我們機構內的主管所以他是可以介入個案的而且他事實上有他機構內部對他的指揮監督職責 |
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機構內部對他的社工督導因為他是聘他作為社工督導所以他有指揮監督的責任是啊那外聘督導是不是就誠如就是說我們是辦一個那個講座然後這是我們邀請就是外來的一個顧問還是一個講師這樣子的一個性質我想機構請外聘督導事實上就是讓這些經驗豐富或者是具有更多不同職能專業能力的這些專家來 |
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對於我們機構內部的督導或者是工作人員提升他的職能那提供他們更多的資源跟了解是 次長我請教你一下到底外聘督導他有沒有機會就是實際參與個案的一個環伺還是說他可以直接管理指揮我們機構內的人員嗎 |
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實際上是說原來機構內部的社工督導或者是機構內他們的工作人員的訪視員或社工他事實上是在找外聘督導的過程中說我們需要請外聘督導來協助我們了解或給我們更多資訊說他也可以針對整個通案來做教育上面的協助 |
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也可以針對特定個案說這個個案我處理得很困難或者說我有一些知識上的資訊我想市長你把這個外聘的一個督導跟我們的社工督導講的這個權責還有就是他的工作分配講得很清楚啦倒是本期有注意到國民黨之前有一位議員他在之前講的他說林彥琴就是受聘來監督整個居托房市計畫的一個督導 |
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指控這個林委員隱匿身份假裝正義的第三方在這裡我想是不是就是說國民黨的議員其實對於就是整個志工的一個系統不熟悉所以他引用的一個錯誤 |
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其實這完全就是說不是只有林業勤受到這樣的一個傷害在很多第一線的這個外聘的那個督導也受到了很多的一個傷害這個是混淆社社工就是這整體的社會對社工的一個認知當然我們也希望我們也希望藉由這樣的一個事件因為凱凱這是一個悲劇那這個悲劇在這個裡頭我們希望就是說 |
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可以在這個整個事件裡頭我們得到了一些我們應該要得到的這個正確的一個那個觀念還有就是那個進捐兒童基金會這個是一個華人的一個基金會是不是 |
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這個是進捐是法人基金會嗎對柴山法人我要請問一下這一位是我們的什麼官員社交署副署長你是我們科長科長科長我覺得你在立法院備詢你不應該是這樣的一個態度 |
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當然我們知道就是說你們非常累了因為這個會議從早上9點到這個時候不要是這個樣子謝謝所以我想是這個是學校的一個好簡單的來講我想大家都把這個就是這兩個這兩個工作的前者講得非常清楚了我也不佔用大家太多的時間葉燕姿再來是葉燕姿嗎 |
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你兩個不衝突啦不衝突啦好在這裡還是要強調啦就是說還給社會人員一個清白我們不要讓社會人員變成就是我們政治的一個提款機那這裡我也特別就是要跟這個 |
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就我們的市長做一個建議就是說你們在督導這個地方政府的時候要明確去釐清外聘的一個督導的角色跟責任的一個邊界避免外界去誤會這個他的角色跟混淆第二個就是外聘的督導其實是很容易引發誤解的 |
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所以說這個名稱需不需要修正這個我們把它當成是一個議題那也希望就是說大家來探討看看那希望就是兩個月內給我一個書面的一個資料那還有就是說我們的外聘專家改成外聘的顧問這個是不是更貼近我們的角色呢讓社會大眾可以了解清楚他的職責避免未來就是引發很多的一個認知上的一個錯誤 |
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報告委員 因為外聘督導這個在社工界長期已經是這樣運作所以在名稱上或者是在他的這個權責上面我們會再去把他的這個角色跟責任邊界做一個釐清至於說名稱上面怎麼樣去處理請委員容我們再去做一個規劃好 那我們研究看看謝謝主持人 妳要不要補充一句我在這邊肯定所有全國的社工 |
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你們都很辛苦那這種事情不然要發生那已經發生了那我們就要好好的處理往後不要再有這種悲劇那大家的那個收入也不是很高我看社工的待遇也不是很好大家都很辛苦所以在這邊再次跟大家肯定那也希望處長回去看他有什麼時間再關他沒有啦 |
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好,大夫就更好,偏遠地區什麼昏殯醫院,那些都要給人家加薪啦,對不對,再來就是這個名稱,我今天開宗明義講,我都講督導 |
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我都搞不清楚這是什麼內部督導外部督導今天聽到現在才搞清楚所以這個名稱這個頭銜可能要改這樣是不妥當的所以要改的東西要進步的東西很多我們就往正向正能量看今天排這個案子也不是說要去K誰都沒有我們是希望精進然後也沒有我都說對勢不對人所以大家 |
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