| IVOD_ID |
161758 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161758 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T12:59:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T13:06:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db39ba31cfb897190dcdb65d50a7385bb67364d18bd4e850e85e42fc9f2fe0e8b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:59:08 - 13:06:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、教育部就「性騷擾防治及外聘督導制度精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 主席 現在林市長市長 您什麼時候知道林業勤林委員是凱凱案這個案子仿事社公司的督導應該是前一段時間立法院這邊講出來的凱凱案老講 現在今天談起來心都還很疼 |
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心都還很疼 現在大家覺得很意外的是林月琴明明是外部的這個督導她應該是第一時間應該是很快知道凱凱被售內而死這個案子可是呢她一直默不作聲就我了解月琴委員好像在2023年底還是2024年初她就跟幾位委員很關心這個案子 |
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大家疑問的是說過了三個月媒體報導說那時候的國民黨立委王玉敏他是兒福聯盟的董事那時候他已經被迫要辭職了當天民進黨還有十多位的立委到衛環委員會這邊來杯葛議事大家一定有印象嘛林業勤林委員也是其中之一他安靜從容地坐在這邊而且做了質詢 |
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他一副還是以專家自居大家在問的是一個凱凱案的社工園的外部督導他盡了什麼樣的責任第二個 當民進黨圍剿王一鳴的時候你內勤不曉得他的責任也很重嗎今天台灣民眾黨沒有要向民進黨 |
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那要去圍剿王毅民或者去圍剿當初推動壯世代的吳春城吳春城為了解決55歲以上的年長者希望有更好的生活有更好的這個工作也解決我們少子化缺工的問題也希望推動壯世代這個產業他在民進黨的 |
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杯葛抹黑之下他為了自清 為了保住他的壯士代他選擇了辭去立法委員名字現在大家最要問的林業勤啊林業勤到現在盡了什麼責任台灣民眾黨不會像民進黨這樣去圍剿林業勤可是 |
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站在人民的角度來看至少兩個問題要解決啊一個是凱凱案為什麼這麼悲慘的事情會發生我們整個社福的制度面裡面出了什麼樣的大問題這是第一個第二個重要的林內勤的角色他到底要負責怎麼樣的責任我要請教次長林內勤到現在都還是 |
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淨堅基金會的董事淨堅基金會多年來拿了很多包括衛福部的案子標案對不對 |
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這個我們剛剛今天委員有質詢到基金會那基金會這邊我們都是來接基金會來跟我們申請的案子好那根據採購法委員會這個應該是立衝法這些基金會來跟我們申請或者是來跟我們標案他們必須要提出當初民進黨在指責其他人的時候是不是講這就是在利益迴避我們也希望 老實講吳春城非常生氣說有人把他跟林業勤這個案子拿來對比 |
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可是老實講你如果真的要拿來對比你如果講無尊整個利益迴避的這個問題林月琴這個案子嚴重100倍以上更清楚更多的案子而且是大家到現在喔林月琴到現在還是進監基金會的這個董事這是第一個問題第二個我要問你了他為什麼可以一個人身兼那麼多職他是督導又是講師又是評鑑委員評鑑演的這個委員 |
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委員你是在哪一個單位我說你現在新北市跟台北市都提出來了對不對你在衛福部這麼久你也當過立委對不對有任何市長除了林燕瓊之外有一個人是負責社工園當督導的又是講師又是評鑑員是委員嗎有嗎 |
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你印象中有一個嗎我們在醫界事實上蠻常會有又是醫師又是評鑑委員然後他本身可能又是某一些機關的評鑑的督導那也是一些包含指導的講師你覺得這樣 |
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一個人申請這麼多詞是合適的嗎沒有這個衝突嗎委員我們只能今天最近這一兩個禮拜有多少的專家學者跟民意代表出來提醒這一點了你們是做一個改革嗎委員我只能就包含立衝相關的社福團體應該這樣嗎我跟您報告就是說社福團體來跟衛福部申請經費或者是標案那我們也要求社福團體依照我們剛剛講立衝的法他們要揭露他們內部的一些相關是不是有立衝的部分衛福部在看 |
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談王詠敏的時候談吳淳祥不是這樣回答吧這是嚴重的一個雙標 |
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我要強調 我剛講過了我們不會像台灣台灣民眾黨不會像民進黨這樣圍剿任何的立法委員我們要的是一個公道制度破洞了趕快去找制度面把它補起來第二個 個人該負的責任要負起責任這樣才是個良善的台灣社會有問題解決 有辦法解決問題的台灣社會所以有具體的要求 |
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是不是林烈祺應該馬上辭掉淨堅兒童安全文教基金會的董事還有台少門副董事長 副理事長這個職務這些都是民間團體 民間團體衛福部這邊他們內部的董事成員我們目前沒有任何權利好 那我鄭重的呼籲林烈祺林委員你好好去思考這個而且我也呼籲民進黨不只不要雙標你們不要繼續包庇形同縱容 |
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台灣人民都正在看這麼悲慘的一個凱凱案到底要怎麼去捕破網不要有這樣的悲劇在發生有人該負責的應該肩負自己的責任我沒有像民進黨那麼狠那麼毒圍毆 |
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其他立委的時候逼迫人家要請辭還告人家我們現在只是從制度面從個人的這個責任請民進黨也不要再包庇請聶委員好好面對面對問題面對自己的責任解決問題謝謝好謝謝詹委員謝謝 |