| IVOD_ID |
161753 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161753 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T12:32:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T12:45:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbc4190f20be1ac29cda433bb611ec39b925d7a793ed12253245705032a5a81be55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:32:06 - 12:45:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「房屋稅2.0課徵亂象與金融機構對不動產融資緊縮及中央銀行信用管制措施對房地產交易之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結書面報告案39案。【報告事項】
三、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結專案報告案9案。【討論事項】） |
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謝主席 我請莊部長來 莊部長請 |
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總部長我今天跟你談另外一個問題這九大公園卡庫董事長總經理都是你這邊所指派的我相信你也一定經過相當的了解調查熟視才會指派他們這個前幾天啊一營宜蘭分行 |
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被當地刑警大隊進去搜查那有帶走他們的婦女還有四個行員所以他們因為他們涉及跟詐騙集團有勾結那總共光已經查到的案子有三十幾個受害人三個詐騙集團在那邊開了這個戶頭那我覺得很奇怪在先前啊 |
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這三個公司的名下的戶頭都已經是警示戶為什麼這麼好的第一銀行竟然還給警示戶繼續開戶這不是很奇怪照說警示戶不但不能給他開戶而且要通報警方 |
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所以我想了解的是這件事情你有沒有要求第一銀行針對這些開戶的流程去做一些是不是這些有疏失然後我才想了解第一銀行的情況我認為監督管理考核在第一銀行都出了問題竟然啊竟然上個禮拜 |
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上三個月上三個月今年三月更大的台灣銀行台灣銀行竟然有兩個分行都是都是副理局還有行員涉入 |
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都在台北 松山分行 仁愛分行這件事我想你應該知道涉及的金額高達2200萬而被逮獲的中間人他竟然就暗示說到這些行去開戶啊可以有回扣那 |
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台銀這個涉及的金額更可怕它匯出匯出國外的金額竟然高達一億多元而裡面有一千萬啊竟然是匯到第一銀行剛才我講的上禮拜出事的這個行的同一個詐騙戶頭天啊天啊 |
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壞到同一個公司帳號詐騙戶的這個警視戶所以我覺得這實在是很荒唐啦很荒唐齁那麼 |
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那個部長你先說這個你瞭解不瞭解這件事有關台銀這個事情瞭解然後剛剛2200萬已經金管會是重罰那對於相關內部的人員包含這兩個行員這兩個行員其實是夫妻關係我在跟金管會談事情為什麼先找你談因為這九大公營行庫董事長總經理都是你派的義營董事長總經理有來嗎有請起立一下好不好 |
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那個 你們是模範銀行欸天啊 在我心目中啊為什麼你看到非常高你是模範銀行我們儘管他還特別把ESG這麼重大的這個業務交由你們來推動欸台灣銀行有來嗎 董事長 總經理你們是龍頭銀行欸 |
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一個龍頭銀郎 一個模範銀郎你們竟然出這樣子的事情好了這個照說啊要追究 要檢討警視庫的開戶流程要追查他們有沒有疏忽或者不法這個責任應該由總行由總行來專責監理單位結果到現在為止 |
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我們整個公營銀行 公營行庫 九大公營行庫只有兆豐銀行啦他是有總行人家他設一個專責監理單位 |
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所以那個部長是不是就這個你要要求九大公營航庫在總航要設置監禮單位監禮各分航針對針對這些警事戶的開戶流程做檢討查一查他們是不是有疏忽甚至不法可不可以我覺得應該是這樣做是 |
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你知道那個台英董事長總經理我為什麼讓你站起來你知道你們先前啊你們先前答覆我你們回覆各單位你們都還跟這個治安單位說你們啊每半年你們就會執行員工違常狀況的清查你們說藉由觀察啦喔你們超厲害的你 |
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你們算命嗎 你觀察 查研觀測就可以看到是這樣嗎都不用看他們開戶的流程 你觀察這些航員的外觀神色就可以知道是這樣嗎都不用看看他們經手的資料嗎他們該監管的開戶流程嗎 |
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好啦 你們四位都是金融的長輩份齁我不為難你們 請坐請坐所以 部長我要跟你提的就是現在我們九大公營行庫應該來做模範的時候嘿 這一次打詐司法通過以後齁反而在做模範的都是民營銀行那一家啊 |
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我最常說他的 就鼠寮三兄弟的大哥他背後的老闆 這個第一信託硬朗當時他的警示物最多我就說 欸 那個中國信託我說中國信託跟詐騙集團 We are family |
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結果這樣子跟他以後人家不到半年三四個月你看他們現在攔阻了28億元光是成立一個AI神盾聯防互幫金控也不遑多讓也弄了一個鷹眼國泰釋法也推了國泰盾 |
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上半年他們主詐的金額12億元啦所以最主要設這些就是可以防止內神通外鬼所以部長我要求是不是你應該回去好好的要求公股銀行仿效民間銀行那麼引進AI還有在總行設專責的監獄單位可不可以 |
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委員對於好的做法我們一定要引進來然後看能不能再做更為的精進我想委員這個提示我們可以會後就來做要求好謝謝那時間暫停你請回我請彭主委主委請 |
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上個月我們被詐騙的金額76億啦只查扣到6億所以我一直不懂的就是說我們要求在治安單位要求之下希望我們銀行銀行端能夠配合圈存這些 |
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受騙的金額結果圈存啦原先只圈存24小時銀行只配合24小時好不容易打詐釋法過以後現在社會壓力之下延長到48小時但是銀行公會也有講話啦24小時要48小時也罷 |
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往往圈存的這些戶頭當警方過於忙碌當沒有再進一步方式的時候過了這個時間這個圈存戶又讓他恢復正常錢又流到詐騙機端他又拿走了所以我不懂銀行公會適合居心你今天回去問他一下適合居心啦 |
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現在詐騙集團在A 被壞人在IAI在我們台灣變成是這樣詐騙人A 社會在I好英安公會竟然還大剌剌這麼講說這個權權時間過長 |
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你知道嗎 民間第三方支付他們圈存時間都20天以上 第三方支付為什麼人家民間可以做到 應安公衛這莫名其妙的單位嘛所以你今天回去問他們好不好你問他們適合居心 我要求應該配合治安單位 |
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把生存時間增長可不可以我們趕快來跟銀行公會來研究 |
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然後那個詐騙集團現在也運用這些自然人憑證在開戶啦那很不錯的我們有七家這島市這七家我看大部分是公營含庫啦這個剛才講的兆豐他換成他是模範營能的義營也不錯啦義營、華營、和庫、台企、永豐還有張營 |
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他們都改成說要視訊驗證或者臨櫃辦理這才能開戶我認為詐騙到現在這種地步後你想想一個月76億了這個完全不用考慮就是取消應該取消自然人憑證的開戶要不然改成臨櫃 |
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這個臨櫃或者視訊驗證的方式好不好那個主席抱歉是不是再給我15秒給我30秒我要提到金管會我們有針對各營能應用AI做一個調查這裡面有兩個答案我覺得最莫名其妙啦 |
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他們認為說 竟然有百分之三十的銀行業者我不曉得哪幾家啦他們竟然回答說 要運用AI的他說 業務上佔無需要天啊 業務上佔無需要 我剛剛講的嘛你運用AI 你像我剛剛提的這三大民營銀行他們用的這個 |
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保護這個存款戶的方式像包括鷹眼國泰盾什麼AI神盾聯防這些人家就是善於應用AI嘛可以避免像台銀像義營宜蘭芬郎像台銀的奈芬郎這種內神通外鬼好不好我希望他們這個觀念要改你回去好好的跟他們談談 |
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跟銀行公會談 跟各大公營行戶談 以及民間銀行對於已經有做 做得好的 我們鼓勵他對於不好的 你好好鞭策鞭策他們 好不好 |
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好,謝謝 |
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謝謝主席我知道這個外委會的時間比較短 |