| IVOD_ID |
161717 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161717 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T11:32:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T11:46:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dbe14b04996fa51f30da433bb611ec39b9db0f420b3783afbd4cd7d05d3f4e96135ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:34 - 11:46:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「房屋稅2.0課徵亂象與金融機構對不動產融資緊縮及中央銀行信用管制措施對房地產交易之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結書面報告案39案。【報告事項】
三、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結專案報告案9案。【討論事項】） |
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總統在520有一個重要的宣示要設立主權基金這是大概是有史以來除了院長之外總統是第一個講的要設立主權基金所以方向已經非常明確了我記得我們上禮拜專報大家還在討論說 |
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這個要不要設怎麼設那專法怎麼弄然後這個這個裁員從哪裡來那我先請教一下部長那總統已經有這個宣示了那你們有沒有一個節奏那接下來要怎麼做 |
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有關這個主權基金後續的一個相關做法行政院會邀請相關部會來做討論跟演繹規劃主要是國發會嗎這個部分當然包含國發會、央行以及財主單位等等那財政部要做的咧這個部分要等在行政院召開會議的時候會再一起討論那所以總統宣誓之前你們都不知道說這個總統會講說510會講一個主權基金出來 |
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我想這個部分可能我想我沒有參與過這個但是我想應該府院也許會有討論吧也許是這樣子好那副總裁咧這個過去這個主權基金也講了蠻久的那就從這個報章媒體上面來看就是說過去比較認為說有主力都是來自於央行那我想請問一下副總裁的看法咧 |
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我剛才已經講過我們在央行長期以來從彭淺總裁到楊總裁我們對於主權基金我們一向都主張這種我們正面去思考但是唯一我們希望透過專法或設立專責的管理機關以及外匯存底不能夠直接撥用這樣幾個原則去思考也支持設立主權基金但是不要用到外匯 |
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壓衡的態度就是這樣,設立專法我想大家都沒有問題,那我再請教一下部長好了,因為這個主權基金就是要彰顯台灣的主權,它跟國發基金不一樣,國發基金它的投資大概就是台灣的產業,一些新興的產業, |
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那你認為說這個主權基金呢既然他是要彰顯台灣的主權那所以他投資的標的未來這個成立之後投資標的是不是就以國外的產業為主 |
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我想這個部分都還要再做詳細的規劃跟討論那請教部長的意見第一個我們要先看設置的一個目的然後第二個就是說要選擇什麼樣的一個產業以及未來的機制要怎麼樣去建立我覺得這應該要整體來做考量的那我是說 |
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這個其實總統他的裡面也是講很清楚啦就是說這個是要投資這個國外產業那尤其我們有提到說這次關稅我們有提到說我們要籌組一個台灣投資美國隊委員長這兩個是不是有關聯性會在討論的時候也許可以做一個詳細規劃部長講得非常的保守 |
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那您認為呢 如果是主權基金成立 那投資產業大概以什麼方向為主 |
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這個部分我覺得這個我還是想就是說這個主權基金成立以後它的整個機制的一個操作模式跟未來投資的一個規劃方向都必須要有一個專責的一個投資機構來做處理而不是說我們自己在這邊個人或者是這樣來表達這樣的一個意見是好沒關係那部長先請為好了我請教副總裁 |
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這個這幾天沒提美國銀行他有提到說預測啦台幣有可能到年底的時候會升到28.8元 |
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然後呢 因為他們認為說這個美元大概會長就是到年底的時間大概會走弱所以台幣有可能會轉強所以有可能會再升值他預測年底會到28.8然後高盛也預測就是說如果這個 |
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亚洲各国跟美国进行贸易协商的话将使亚洲的货币更难贬值然后他预测这个海币跟海元会升值我请教一下这个副总裁的看法 |
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我們長期以來我們觀察到就是各個投資銀行他有他自己的預測那我覺得我們只是參考而已那因為影響到匯率或者是國際美元走勢的因素太多了我覺得用這種很直覺式的去推測就28點那我不要講那一個數字出來好了我們講一個趨勢好了那您認為說這個到年底之前台幣的走向是深 |
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還是貶那個報告委員因為我們長期以來我們都認為匯率我們尊重市場那央行只有在出現匯率不穩定或者是有這種操作的時候我們才會進場去維持匯率的相對穩定那所以你認為說前兩週台幣突然升值這麼多快兩塊錢那你認為這樣正常嗎因為 |
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我想那是一個操作策略也是透過這樣子的一種方式來降低大家對生殖的預期一種這過去我們也有採取類似的操作策略過因為楊總裁有提到說這個央行在這個新興之火開始的時候沒有去撲滅然後後來呢這個造成這個新火燎原之勢了 |
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那接下來我想請問一下那央行對於說如果這個美元有可能會傾向弱勢的貨幣台幣有可能相對轉強那央行相對的做法是怎麼樣我想美元弱勢或強勢它自己國內也有不同的看法所以我們在這種美元波動的時候不管它是弱勢強勢會影響到台幣匯率的時候我們的一個前提就是維持匯率的相對穩定 |
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目前台幣的匯率有穩定嗎目前我們認為4月底5月初已經相對的穩定很多了好 謝謝副總裁那我再請教一下中部長好了來 部長 請教一下那個房屋稅2.0新制是今年開始徵收嗎 是不是 |
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從去年7月1號開始實施今年是首度開徵2.0來做標準來課徵的那我們房屋稅的這個繳稅期限是到哪時候正常來說是到5月底那今年因為是第一次的開徵嘛第一次開徵有發生一些狀況然後這個部分如果要更正稅單等等的話都可以延後就是說由稅均積增機關重新開單然後期限繳款期限往後延 |
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那你們地帶是不是設在6月2號嗎6月2號是說本來你要在3月24號以前來申報自住的話你沒有在這個時間來申報就是說你要簽了戶籍然後申報自住你沒有在時間但是因為第一年實施這樣情況所以我們認為說把它延後到6月2號之前你來 |
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辦理這樣的一個事情就可以用自住的稅率來課徵那6月2號沒有延啊那本來就是你們5月底就是要申報啦房屋稅本來就是要申報到5月底那只是因為遇到假日變成6月2號而已啊那個一個是繳納期限一個就是說你是自住的話你來就是說你簽了戶籍簽進去了然後你來告訴我們說我已經簽完戶籍了我要用自住的稅率來課徵我們本來是訂在3月24號 |
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因為是今年第一年實施那些那我是說繳納期限繳納期限的話繳納期限正常是到五月底嘛對啊因為有假日就到六月二號啦對不對對對對因為有到假日就延到六月二號我的意思是說我們這個所得稅本來是到五月三十一號也是到六月二號啦然後因為這個關稅的問題我們延長到六月三十號嘛 |
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對不對那我的意思是說那如果這樣子因為房屋稅2.0是新制啦那又這個新制的過程當中又遇到一些比如說雙北也出現這個問題有沒有這個機會也把這個房屋稅減到期限延到6月30號 |
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委員報告所得稅跟訪問稅不一樣所得稅是我們來做申報不管盈利事業或者綜合所得稅的中所個人都是自己來申報所以當時因為關稅政策的關係為了避免相關的盈利事業他在這個短短一方面他要應應這個關稅的措施而去調整他相關的訂單等等造成在這個五月份有一點措手不及所以把 |
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申報的期限延到六月底但是房屋稅這個部分是屬於抵測稅是由地方政府來開單來做課徵那如果你沒有問題的話你就去繳那目前是的確發生問題啦如果發生問題的話只要有任何反應的話重新開稅單那他的繳款期限就自然是往後延的所以就沒有說一定是那個最後定來是六月二號的問題就對了 |
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6月2號這個繳款期限沒有問題的都還是沒有問題有問題的人他會自然延後嗎他就會往後延 對對對這個部分我們也趕快會發函給地方政府請他務必要這樣做那其實依照現行規定就可以但我們請他們趕快這樣做也讓納稅一五人可以安心那所以說這樣子的話大概會延到多久呢延到多久就看他重新開單的一個時間 |
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所以就不是說以新開單的日期為主就對了新開單期限會拉多久呢?會拉一半多久,大概是開單之後的一個月那我再請教一下,這個工業輸出人其實政府也蠻鼓勵的 |
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那工業出租人他有一些匯率上的優稅房屋稅、地價稅還有綜合所的稅其實都有優惠那我請教一下那現在就是說人有一些因素造成就是說這個工業出租人他這個要 |
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這個要把房子變成這個你要讓這個有租金的人來租變成公益出租人還是有兩點會有一些疑慮第一個土地增值稅的優惠沒有了第二個呢房地合一稅的免稅也沒有了那我在想說為了要鼓勵這個公益出租人的話那財政部有沒有在這個土地增值稅的優惠跟房地合一稅的優惠有沒有比較這個更進一步的一個改善的一個做法 |
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這個部分第一個我們在地價稅跟房屋稅還有中手稅的部分對公益出租人有一些租稅的優惠最主要就是在持有稅的時候你在持有期間我們希望你把房子租出去然後同時讓成租人可以去申請租金補貼讓自己成為公益出租人 |
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但是土地增值稅或房地合一稅最主要是在你這房地在買賣交易的時候你有所得的部分好譬如說以土地增值稅就有一個概念就是所謂漲價歸公嘛漲價歸公那這個部分那譬如說你房地合一就是我們把它算起來以前房屋沒有所謂的要課這交易要課所得稅所以把它計算這是交易的時候你有所得那才要課稅我想這兩個意義上基本上是不太一樣的這個會造成說有一些齁它 |
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他有租人他可能也是工業出租人 |
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但是他就怕說他未來沒有這一個土地增值稅或是說這一個房地合一稅的優惠他變成就是說他會跟他的房客講就是說雖然你是公益的出租人的房客但是為了我後來我如果要房子要買賣的時候我沒辦法享受到這些優惠然後就變成說他沒有去變成這個公益出租人去做申報 |
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就是說他或許在這個工業這個出租人這一塊的優惠比如說房屋嗎地價或是說眾所隨他可能沒有拿到但是他萬一如果說房子有買賣的話還一比較相還發現說那我如果沒有去報這個工業出租人其實他可能這一個在這個稅率上面他其實會更優惠啊會造成這種情況啊那個 |
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你的意思就是他可能就覺得說如果我現在房子出租了我將來在賣的時候我的稅就不會土增稅還有房地利稅會課得比較重所以你不要去報出租這個基本上我們認為就是說所謂的租屋黑市本來就是因為我們要查緝的你有出租你就該繳稅就要繳稅好那對於出租對於公益出租人來說他我們在他的持有期間已經給你稅負的一個優惠了這兩者我覺得那當然啦就是說他持有的 |
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他持有的這個房屋地價跟這個眾所稅有優惠了那我的意思是說如果在鼓勵這個公益出租人這個情況之下你們有考慮就是說這個土地增值稅跟房地合一稅這方面的這個稅率在給予優惠嗎 |
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這個部分我想這個部分可能要審慎的研議因為兩者稅的一個目的是不太一樣要審慎研議也就是說因為房地合一稅事實上是有價差你有價差的才會有課徵反正這個會後我再請教你們好了是謝謝謝謝主席謝謝李坤臣委員這個題很好研議一下接著我們請嚴坤臣委員 |
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謝謝主席 各位電視觀眾大家好 |