| IVOD_ID |
161704 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161704 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T10:21:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T10:32:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7dba3cea929de97cbfb32bc34272b9029b3db0f420b3783afbdb513ca0ae132d6fb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:21:39 - 10:32:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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我請主委邱主委有請常委好主委我們陸委會上週有首度建議地方政府勿出席並建議地方政府不予核准所屬人員出席海峽論壇這一個但去年喔 |
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去年我們態度是不樂見殘餘那今年的呢是想不與何準請問這有什麼特別的原因 |
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謝謝委員跟委員報告事實上我們也跟地方政府有不少的交換意見他說你不樂見是什麼意思其實我們從海峽論壇的立場政府的立場跟原則還蠻一致性的就是中央是禁止地方是不樂見 |
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事實上我們也常常跟地方政府講說去海峽論壇的一些風險不過我們很多地方政府那個時候還是對海峽論壇有一些憧憬認為他們會事出利多事實上這幾年下來大部分是口會而事不至 |
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所以地方政府也漸漸少去了那我們也跟他說他就是一個統戰的大平台啦他會力邀你去那很多人認為在這個場合他的鄉親他的選民也不讓他去說來請我們錄你修清楚一點你到底要我們怎麼樣 |
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那如果是這樣我們從開始依照17條我們來強化我們這個反滲透反統戰我們希望交流都應該去統戰化所以我們這次也跟地方政府講清楚我們就建議地方政府就不要前往去參加這種有統戰意味濃厚的海峽論壇也希望它所屬的同仁你也不要准 |
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那這樣我們的態度就比較清楚那地方政府也知道怎麼配合當然啦我們很清楚啦我們不反對交流啦我們也不仇恨中國的人民一般人我們現在的只是共產黨無所不用其極在對台灣做任何的統戰做任何的脅迫施壓反正他就是要把 |
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台灣給拿過去而已這是共產黨的態度啦但一般的中國的人民我相信啦可能也有一半以上是討厭共產黨只是他不敢講出來講出來就被抓去啦對不對 |
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是 文說得很好其實我們願意跟中國大陸進行這個對等尊嚴 健康有序的交流但是海峽論壇我們沒有主體性都是要設計好的一個統戰的一個框架所以我們是不適合我沒有說你們這個不對我想要我們跟一般人其實我們不排斥他其實有時候他的心可能是跟我們的心一樣只是他在那種極 |
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那種極權的政治的情況之下他不敢啊那就是威權統治啊對不對所以像這個我認為啦就像主委說的啦把他說的明確一點讓大家有這個 |
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可以是說我也可以大膽跟你講就不行啊我就不能去啊這樣不就好了我覺得反而是更好的而且要讓他們知道共產黨啊他是到處騙啊 |
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在這種情況之下我不知道啊主委你知不知道其實台灣啊共產黨對台灣的統戰無所不用其極你知道剛剛我聽了很多委員在講說藝人怎麼樣藝人那當然是一個例子主委你知道嗎我們現在有很多電台 |
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幾乎他的談話內容很多都是在替中共產黨宣傳你們知道這件事嗎我們有了解我們也積極在查處 |
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怎麼查處跟委員報告特別是那種小型的地方電台或是個別的網紅都一直是中國大陸對台統戰的重要對象那我們也常看到他邀請這些地方電台或地方的媒體或是個人網紅到中國大陸去做參訪那回來可能就交付很多任務那麼在 |
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這個中國大陸如果有資訊進來的話就會由他們做這個重要的管道散出這個就是我們在掌握的在以前國民黨國民黨執政的那時候我們還沒有戒嚴前啦我們還沒有戒嚴前啦戒嚴時代這種叫為匪宣傳是要抓去關的 |
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可是我不知道你們有沒有那麼多的能力去監聽這些電台甚至媒體這些你們有這麼多能力嗎是不可能的但是我們還是要積極的去讓民眾了解你如果說像我們反滲透法 |
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你接受中國大陸的指示委託資助在台灣又從事不法行為這個可能要加重處罰我這樣子講啦民眾這些都知道啦但啦像這個真的很過分的這些因為坦白就像主委說的啦小的電台他本身要生存下去就不容易啦人家有給他好處 |
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它就像一個商業型的置入性嘛但你的置入性你不能違反一些原則嘛那如果有違反一些原則的我覺得跳一兩格來 |
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來讓大家知道你這樣做是不對的啊是我覺得應該要這樣啊是 跟我們報告 其實我們國人警覺性有大幅提高像對這些小眾媒體或是網紅有一些談話他認為已經觸犯我們社會底線都會積極地跟陸委會或香港當局提出檢舉那我們也會積極地來查辦我覺得啦 很具體啦 |
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陸委會你可以就這個跟相關的單位然後去跟他們開一個跨部會的會議去協調我跟你講他只要在上面賣藥講錯一個字講錯一個就罰了啊 |
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表示是有人在特別處理這件事你不能跟他們合作嗎?對不對?他的內容有錯也是罰啊你光講錯這個健康食品跟醫療的什麼就罰了啊那這個為什麼他可以到處罰?這個為什麼我們抓不到? |
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這個我覺得執行上可以檢討一下啦那另外啦最後我要說不只這樣啊人家現在都已經積極的創造網你知道嗎有很多說去中國不管哪個城市參加歌唱比賽然後歌唱比賽呢 |
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得前三名台灣的人對不對然後得前三名他還幫你出唱片然後幫你辦演唱會那他就培養一個網紅啦培養一個然後再透過他回來就像剛主委你講的做一些不合理的宣傳 |
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人家都已經做到這樣了耶這個我相信你們應該也都有所掌握啦但有所掌握的情況之下我覺得合理的商業行為合理的什麼我們也不能去制止他們但他的言論只要有不對你就要積極處理啊我就舉剛剛的例子啊賣保健食品講錯一句話就要罰很多錢啊那你去調調看那個罰了多少然後連這個 |
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你說政府沒有辦法去監控那我覺得這樣政府就無能了是跟委員報告特別在網路世界裡面我們要尋求這個數位的服務的管理那目前我們台灣還是要形成共識那截至目前為止 |
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我沒有跟你講網路世界,我剛講的很清楚了喔哪些項目喔因為他的很多宣傳都會停在網路上面比如說網紅他一直透過這個網路平台來做載具那這個部分有些錯假消息的處理那確實我們要台灣社會要趕快形成共識因為在民主先進國家 |
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這個數位服務法在像歐盟在2022年就已經立法其他像其他歐洲國家美國日本都有這個相關的立法我們台灣是還沒有這方面的立法主委我剛剛就講了啦是他賣保健食品講錯話就可以罰連續罰對不對那你連這個他為匪宣傳替共產黨講一些 |
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就像網紅的講的這些都是要侵犯台灣主權然後在替台灣人洗腦的人這個我們政府竟然沒有辦法去處理我覺得不對啦是我覺得你們要去處理就好了是 謝謝委員我們尊重國人的言論自由但是對於比如說要消滅中華民國比如說鼓吹戰爭那這個部分就是超過我們紅線的我們還會積極處理對啦 你們就去積極處理就好了是好 謝謝委員 |