IVOD_ID |
161703 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161703 |
日期 |
2025-05-21 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-20 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
20 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-21T10:09:46+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-21T10:21:28+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:11:42 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db6e30cc8f010a24f332bc34272b9029b3db0f420b3783afbdf699acf6b854a81e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
委員發言時間 |
10:09:46 - 10:21:28 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議(事由:邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。) |
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請邱主委邱主委有請林委員好主委辛苦我們去年在內政委員會在審查陸委會預算的時候我相信不管是執政黨委員或者是陸委會都費盡心力希望可以捍衛陸委會的預算因為試射我們對中國的這些事務還有對中國的這些研判等等的業務 |
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在這邊今天正常質詢我想要請問主委在內政委員會被刪除3200萬但是最後在委員會被刪除8800萬在院會被刪除8800萬這樣是算8800萬還是1億2最後送出來的結果是怎樣 |
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我想我們整個預算過去在內政委員會內政三千兩百萬然後去到議員會又八千八這樣是加起來還是這樣是一億二還是八千八影響到陸委會的預算我想是快要兩億元就是被刪除的 |
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那麼快要將近兩億元就是說還有在院會的還有兩億是包含給海基會的七千萬的補助啦那所以說這樣我剛剛這樣的問題就是我們要共三減的是一億九千四百十八萬這是創下 |
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如果會成立以來,會被刪除最多的有什麼很難做的,有影響到哪一些業務?剛開始,我們感謝上個禮拜一委員有協助我們解凍解凍跟刪不一樣,我們先把刪的講出來刪的部分,包括業務費就被刪掉八千多萬那講補助是一億 |
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零七百多萬這個都是不可媒體宣傳費當然這個也是被刪除很多媒體宣傳費我們原本正常的大樓維持費水電費我們原本是預計七月份以後就無以為繼不過首先有這個解凍預算讓我們現在沒有跟你講解凍解凍國民黨全部朝思逃逸都沒有來我現在跟你講刪除刪除的部分 |
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這個沒宣費他影響到什麼影響到剛剛其實剛剛很多委員質詢的內容是包含抖音裡面出現的形態我現在整理成兩種好了第一種剛剛講的不斷有陸配或不斷有帶貨的網紅出現這些武統台灣的言論等等的其實 |
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我們這樣看起來都是背後一套攻勢來鼓勵這些網紅然後衝流量衝了流量之後就是一種認知作戰有了這些衝流量他們就鼓勵接下來另外有這些小學生在校園外面拍小學生等等的這些 |
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陸委會如果沒有相關的這些宣傳的費用我們怎麼樣讓國人知道現在又發生什麼事現在又在習哪一些觀念那現在可能又要教小學生跳什麼舞然後其實背後又蘊藏哪一些他們想要做這些認知作戰的東西我覺得陸委會這一方面要非常非常敏感 |
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謝謝委員我們雖然預算被刪除很多特別是我們的媒宣所以我們自己我們同仁自己要自己拍短短影音的影片來做宣傳主委你有沒有用抖音我沒有我們政府機關人員 |
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會觀察但是我們不能使用一定要觀察啦因為我們看到大量的這些認知作戰的內容有時候想要舉報給政府單位如果我說我沒有這個東西我沒有這個軟體我沒有辦法看其實你永遠不知道他們在做什麼 |
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所以我們都很關注那我要跟委員報告截至目前為止抖音它有嚴重的治安還有收集民眾各自的問題所以我們政府機關是被我們是沒有在用 |
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其實在校園內部也在宣導校園內部的設備網路都不可以使用TikTok只不過現在民眾還是可以透過他網路下載APP來使用 |
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不過整體而言抖音並沒有合法落地那這也是我們要有效監管雖然沒有合法落地但是由於民眾可以自己下載那這個確實在我們查處抖音相關的問題當中我們還缺乏一個 |
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法律,其實不只抖音,那其實包括臉書臉書在最近被披露以前的臉書的一個前執行長他出了一本書,那裡面就講到臉書跟中共的關係當貼文瀏覽超過一萬次,會自動提交總編輯進行人工審查當六四或者是有一些特定時機的時候 |
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臉書其實在中國它就是有一些東西就會禁止的那尤其在香港漁場革命的時候臉書也發揮了很多的這些暗黑的功能所以台灣面臨的其實不只抖音不只臉書各方面的這些認知作戰或者是隱藏台灣民主訊息的這些機制非常多那陸委會雖然在預算被刪除 |
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很多的情況下那還是要很努力的去讓國人知道目前這些統戰還有這些認知作戰的這些呃形態到底有多多我今天其實還整理了包含藝人藝人其實我們的藝人去到那裡 |
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被公式化必須要做出某一些言論的時候其實我們都很心痛啦那我們都覺得這些演藝或文化的交流不應該有這些政治但是都已經被要求了那我們其實不管是歌迷或者是政府 |
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很多都是採取包容都知道啊你去到那裡那你就是被強迫做這些事嘛那還是有畫一些紅線這個我在這邊表示支持但是我們最大的還是包容知道其實我們的藝人是被要求做這些事啦那紅線也要畫好我們確實啊我們跟這個文化部的行政查處小組啊那除了管理之外我們也要關懷第一個 |
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被政治要求反太這是被嘛這是被不是他阻擋這是被嘛對很可能是這樣而且或是經紀公司要求等等的那另外我們也了解這個不是一人自己因為以我們台灣人啊這個飲水思源的善良本質啊 |
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不會去糟蹋當年在台灣這塊土地支持培養他們的這些親友或是支持者所以去到大陸為什麼會如此的反常來傷害這幾個國家的主權 |
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這個呼應對台軍演這個是我們也在懷疑所以我們才會跟文化部要組一個行政查處的一個小組一方面管理二方面提醒風險三方面就是關懷有可能齁其實他們去到那裡去到中國可能要在某一個城市開演唱會的時候有一些申請的流程 |
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那這些申請的流程裡面可能就必須要簽署一些認同書啊這也是背啊是所以我們理解這我們要非常清楚那當然最好我們我想基於保護這些藝人我們也不可能拿到這些可能有簽署哪一些認同書等等的最後跟主委探討一個問題主委的觀念非常好也突然打醒了很多這些宗教交流的這些人士 |
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宗教交流中國的宗教中國的廟宇是哪一個他們的哪一個單位在管控主委我想是他們統戰部下轄的這個這個統戰部之外我知道的還有一些他中國是沒有信仰嘛 |
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那所以他的廟其實都是各地方政府的觀光旅遊單位有可能觀光旅遊單位觀光旅遊單位他來到台灣的時候可能是申請到統戰部的這些經費來到台灣做交流 |
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而這些中國的這些廟宇來到台灣的人士跟台灣的廟宇去到中國交流的人士是不一樣的喔台灣的廟宇去到中國的人士大家都知道這個廟宇很多都是關心信仰或者是地方人士真的是這些組成的中國是誰組成的 主委 |
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我想因為中國大陸他們是包括共產黨他們是無神論他們對於宗教過去說他是這個壓迫人民的鴉片所以他們對宗教的管理是放在統戰部裡面統戰部所以他派的這個廟的主委是統戰部派的 |
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對就是說他在從事兩岸的宗教交流很可能就基於統戰的因素那所以這個跟我們台灣有信仰的自由不同中國大陸是沒有信仰自由剛剛海基會說我們四位這個一貫道的道卿還被他們查扣還沒回來用刑法來起訴判刑已經起訴判刑 |
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所以這個都是讓我們覺得兩岸的這個宗教交流固然我們應該推動因為畢竟台灣是一個宗教自由的國家那中國大陸就不是所以這個也就是我們希望未來的宗教交流要專業性不要賦予它 |
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我這樣講好了啦,如果我們跟他一樣的話,我們某個廟的主委,就是陸委會,指派你變成主委去中國交流,在台灣不可能發生啦。不可能嘛。但是你現在在台灣看到來宗教交流的某一個主委,他有可能就是中國統戰部,任命你為某一個廟的主委來台灣做這些宗教的交流,是不是這樣? |
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當然我們願意促進兩岸的宗教專業性的交流如果說它沒有政治因素或是沒有統戰的因素純粹就是說對宗教的比如說儀軌包括整個他們的教義或是對於宗教的儀式這方面專業的交流我們都尊重 |
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而不是說用統戰部台辦的人混進來做交流或是一直在執行他們是主神我們是分離在台灣進行各方面的這些遶境而且各縣市的遶境這種遶境活動在中國也不常見 |
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為什麼都在台灣遶境連神的世界都要矮化我們所以我們要非常的關注他們透過宗教交流進行這方面的統戰作為這是我們要排除但是對於宗教交流專業交流我的時間到了連宗教都要統戰我們這句話 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員 |