| IVOD_ID |
161699 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161699 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T10:48:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T11:00:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db98f186fbe8577f3856f20d851a8422b7db0f420b3783afbd63f6e4fc8f5519665ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:48:53 - 11:00:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院主管預算(公務預算)解凍案6案。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關核能安全委員會主管預算(公務預算)解凍案9案。
三、處理114年度行政法人國家原子能科技研究院單位預算解凍案1案。
（5月21日及5月22日二天一次會）） |
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謝謝主席 有請何安慧陳主委 |
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主委好 今天521那在5月17號我們的核三要停機除疫的前夕我們立法院在5月13號有去把核管法的修法三讀通過那大家都說就是等於是重啟核一核二核三研議幫他開綠燈啦 |
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那開完了綠燈呢昨天520那我們又表決通過了這個公投的這個核三研議的公投那這個主文你看一下 |
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這個主文他有被修過喔他是做修正動議之後說您是否同意第三核能發電廠經主管機關同意確認無安全疑慮後繼續運轉原本是沒有主管機關同意喔 |
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這是修正動議之後也就是說呢要把所有的球要丟給和安會丟給台電那請教主委您覺得怎麼樣有沒有覺得責任重大還是稀鬆平常和安會是個監管單位對於 |
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要不要使用核電 要不要研議 要不要重啟 核安會沒有既定立場所以我們核安會那怎麼辦呢 你沒有既定立場 他說公投的主文說要經主管機關同意確認無安全疑慮 |
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我們的理解是要不要提起研議或重啟應該是台電跟他的主管機關來做決定的所以意思就是說跟核安會沒有關係所以你的意思是說這個指的是台電跟經濟部他們要提出申請我們在按照有沒有台電在這邊 |
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好像沒有所以這個部分您認為這個公投主文跟你們無關因為是台電要提出申請是經濟部要同意確認無安全疑慮是這樣嗎是由經濟部來同意確認安全無疑慮經濟部提出我們河岸會才能夠來審查 |
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昨天張啟凱委員這麼說他說從現在開始要不要用核電就看台電要不要提出申請 您說的對看看民進黨政府有沒有去做安全檢查檢查完才可以用那民進黨政府有沒有去做安全檢查主委 你有沒有去做安全檢查現在還沒有 還沒有啊你要不要去做安全檢查 |
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要先評估啊對啊那你誰評估 |
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這個部分的程序的話我想請我們那個高組長再詳細說明一下來跟委員說明那會議裡面的核安會目前就按照大院所修正的核管法條文去配合修訂執法跟一些管制的要求當然這個過程中我們會參考一些國際的要求跟國內情境然後定一些相關的技術規範跟管制的一些要求事項 |
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所以你們承認嘛 到底安不安全之後台電公司要按照這個去確認他現場設備然後看他要不要申請他確認完評估 確認說他有沒有重啟的條件那如果他認為說他符合安全要求跟法規要求那也經過國際的同儕檢視說他可以申請的話那他就要向核安委提出依照法規提出要不要做環評這部分依照法規的話要由環境主管機關來認定所以也不是你們 |
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所以核安會管的是什麼訂定執法台電公司提出申請也完成現場檢查確定他要提出申請之後那核安會會去審查他的安全評估報告跟現場去查證所以顯然意思就是說我們的整個社會其實搞不清楚哪一個部會管什麼哪一個部會負責什麼哪一個部會主管什麼對不對表示我們的社會大眾搞不清楚啊 |
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但是大家都知道一件事就是我們的修法通過了也要公投了然後全國2300多萬的人 |
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要幫這個公投 河山 恆春 車城 滿洲 牡丹請問一下主委您知不知道這四個鄉鎮人口數多少報告員 我並不知道我跟您說不到五萬人我知道人數不多不到五萬人也就是說不到千分之二然後我們要來舉辦公投 |
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您覺得合理嗎?這個東西我們沒有這個沒有這個既定立場要不要公投我們只是負責好沒有關係因為我今天看到我們這個新增通過決議解凍書面報告就有提到這個結語的部分他說 |
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要求台電公司推動中期暫時儲存設施方案以為因應並展開社會溝通然後第三點有提到和安會處召開處置管制討論會議加強監督台電處置計畫作業外將持續邀集經濟部及原民會召開會議共同督促台電公司推動中期暫時儲存設施方案 |
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來 請教一下主委 方案是什麼報告委員 這個方案是行政院非核家園小組要求台電公司在地方選址困難的情況下希望能夠興建一個中期暫時儲存設施來做因應我剛剛都念過了是 所以這個方案其實就是要興建一個中期暫時儲存設施 |
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那請教一下 你們說要持續邀集經濟部 園民會召開會議這是什麼意思 園民會要做什麼提供土地 |
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這個方案裡面其實它目前經濟部要負責督促台電公司去做選址的工作那因為這個方案其實它因為也涉及到那個在兩公約裡面有一個有一個議案說明那這個兩公約裡面的這個相關的議案是由原民會當協辦由經濟部跟河南會當主辦所以原民會要負責什麼 |
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他來瞭解我們的進度而已不是提供土地不是確定確定這會記錄下來喔是好那我希望齁社會溝通我知道你們一直都在做啊社會溝通的成果是什麼真的如他們所講的嗎我們70%的民意都贊成嗎社會溝通的成果是這個嗎我剛剛說了喔 |
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在河山那邊 對他們有領發電金 他們有電協會台電有給他們發電金但是 |
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蘭嶼他要把低放的核廢料要趕出蘭嶼40年沒有成功還有委員曾經公然的在質詢台上對原民會主委說蘭嶼人不想簽出核廢料因為這樣他們就沒有辦法享受優惠引起嘩然 |
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那現在也有人放風聲說恆春插成滿洲牡丹的人也希望河山能夠繼續研議因為他們有補償金這個是社會溝通的成果嗎這確實有證據嗎可以講這樣的話嗎那蘭嶼人這40年做了多少的抗爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
565.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
594.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
要把這個惡靈趕走 都是假的嗎我想這個社會溝通這樣子做是很糟糕的我們不能接受我希望河安會也好 不要老是講到台電經濟部因為我們也都會去質詢 園民會我們也會去質詢但是不可以去拿出這樣的一個社會溝通成果非常的歧視 非常的傷害人沒有人希望自己的土地是骯髒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
595.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
622.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那些高喊的人他連一點點的核食 核安他都不能接受他怎麼能夠接受核能可能產生的一個無法彌補回復的巨大危害呢這是很奇怪的一件事情所以我們常常講別有居心啊啊我們的電我每次台電董事長也很生氣啊不要再拿電費漲價跟核電有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
625.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
630.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
主委 你是專家 如果我們的電要漲 是因為跟核電有關係嗎你不能每次都講主管業 你是專家 至少比我是專家啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
646.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
672.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我覺得這個部分還是由主管單位回答比較適合我們只是負責核能安全的部分而已我想因為時間到我們要問中研院就下次再問但是我想這個部分核安會責無旁貸你們是講核安第一連核廢都處理不來核廢就已經是很不核安了很不安全了 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
673.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
679.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我希望河安這個地方能夠拿出一些態度好不好好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |