| IVOD_ID |
161696 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161696 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T10:42:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T10:53:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db3423eca251f6dcf8020ad028569f7f2fc32860b8eb41b24430ded3c40876aedc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:32 - 10:53:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。
二、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於數位發展部主管預算凍結案計20案。
三、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案計8案。
【5月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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感謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長 |
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部長 這幾天 部長好大家都在關心發生在新北市的這個重大車禍它是發生在一所學校附近嘛是不是對 它是在學校附近那我看從剛剛到現在以及交通部在事件發生以後所宣布的我們通通都是針對駕駛人我們不希望這種悲劇再發生但交通部目前所提的對策都是針對駕駛人 |
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第一個 我們希望盡快調查出真正肇事的原因是真的因為年紀太大嗎 是生理的因素嗎還是心理的因素 其實你也不了解每一個人的身體狀況又不一樣 跟年齡又不一定直接相關還有就算你年輕一點 胡亂開車也會有 |
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黑白開車的都有啦你可以訂一個法規就可以減少胡亂開車的嗎當然希望可以降低啦但不可能完全沒有所以我今天要講的跟你討論的是另外一種不一樣的 |
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就是 那我們要把路口設計好啦把道路設計好 後面開車你沒辦法騙人啦但是我們的道路政府該做的 把路弄好的話就絕對可以大幅降低悲劇的發生啦你知不知道花城寺的附近 學校附近是一個 這裡都沒有把它定義為什麼區你知道嗎 |
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你可能不了解2023年那時候你還沒來交通部叫做通學區 |
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交通部訂學校附近150公車 依賴 道路 都叫做同學區啦以前學校附近的同學區 哪個部會在規範 內政部啦那有的是交通部 所以很亂啦後來交通部在2023年 頒布一個校園周邊人行空間改善參考指引 |
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整合很多單位的意見我看你這個職營是薄情啦針對好酒瓶喔下到最好的最完整的 |
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那只可惜喔指引就是指引 你沒有強制力啊就心北市以這個悲劇發生 人家要去檢討不是只檢討教室啦 說他規範太老啦他要教教 要換什麼什麼的 你要檢討為什麼既然是學校 老師 學生 家長那些都會很多人在那裡出入啊你道路安全 你要按照一定的規範來做 |
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我們台灣的大陸交通相關的規範大部分都超日本那日本的經驗好我們當然要學習嘛日本也有類似規範就設定為一個特區就同學區啦 |
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所以你要有什麼樣的措施第一個 你絕對會有物理性的設計啦 降低它的速度比如說 好保護公車來 那是在高雄寶庭的一百五十公尺以內都是同學區所以它的道路喔 日本的顏色就不一樣讓駕駛 開車開到這裡你就知道說我來到好旁邊了對你啦 也有物理性的減速的設計啦 |
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讓你車要開就開不快 因為同學區啦 交通部的設計 你有的規範是30公里而已 時速30啦 最高到50啦 時速到30是要怎麼開 |
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很容易超輸嘛你就要有一些物理性的東西設計 他們才沒辦法開快對不對甚至斑馬線 因為孩子身高比較低嘛他斑馬線是電高 給你孩子過馬路的時候 駕駛看得到都是同學區 特殊的設計啦甚至啊 路條管子給你設個歪啦給你開不快啦學校圍牆邊的道路 你看我給你看啦 |
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這是日本人的設計啦你要學日本就要學好學人家的長處日本把學校周邊的道路你看那個斑馬線顏色不一樣那個道路顏色不一樣對你喔還有一些減速球讓你開不快路彎像這個很明顯稍微設計一個彎度讓孩子家長平凡進出的地方你速度沒有加快 |
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今天大家都在這裡檢討教室不是老就身體壞啦不是老就後悔開車啦什麼年紀都會亂開車啦要把政府該做的事情做好啦那教安部竟然訂出這個校園周邊人性改善參考空間規範同學區怎麼做那縣市政府為什麼不做呢這新北區政府很明顯的啊嚴重失職啊 |
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很多地方政府啦 我相信不是只有新北市而已啦所以交通部應該要把這利用喔 現在民氣可用啦把這些縣市政府喔 你應該開一個專案會議啦檢討同學區啦因為學校周邊是最危險任何國家交通規範最嚴格一定在學校附近啦因為學校一定附近啦 小朋友一定會有家長 老師 所以 |
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你要把各縣市政府叫來啊大家要依照規範來做啦因為你頂的就是只有執運而已嘛不然你提高到衛健 提高到行政命令來檢討對各地方政府的補助嘛你同時去幫我做 我就錢給你嘛 |
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是不是這樣 老闆長你要幹嘛呢好 報告委員 目前內政部國土署其實也有這麼做他們對於這個地方政府來要求或者是申請通學區的整體的改善計畫的補助裡面都有把這些所謂物理改善的部分有列入重要的要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要執行的內政部門員 要� |
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完全沒有物理性的阻隔嘛所以你們要去弄到這哪裡 這哪裡 你看他稍微做半套的同學區啦你看他斑馬線顏色不一樣對不對問題是他沒有聯合安全維護性 那所謂我剛才你看那個物理性的設計嘛那完全沒有啊這邊啊 這邊啊這就是交差了事嘛我們再看下一張給你看 |
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標線型的人行道就是為你投靠動作的人行道你倆的物理性阻隔做不一樣嗎對 物理性的阻隔的部分內政部國土署他們最近也會來研議這個問題未來對地方的這些改善然後你們就去趕快要利用這段期間限制政府會乖乖做的時候趕快去做出該做的事情好 |
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另外換照檢討老人確實我們對老人駕駛大家 部長你自己也有說因為台灣是個高齡化社會台灣的老人駕駛會快速的增加現在一百八十幾萬 十年後就變兩百八十萬 |
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十年內會增加一百萬七十歲以上的老人駕駛所以對老人駕駛日本就有針對這個地方有做很完整的政策規範台灣都抄日本那你就抄好報告員 目前就是學習日本日本的高 日本還有全世界駕照沒有在換照我看台灣是很少數國家之一啦你有沒有知道我們古北更高 |
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18歲那你目前規定幾歲換照有效期限都五十幾年75歲所以如果我18歲考上駕照我到75歲我才需要換照我可以去看一些新的交通規則這當中那漫長的五六十年有什麼新的交通規定號誌標線啊 |
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因為你有注意啦不然你都不知道18歲過一年到現在已經75歲就算你把他降到70歲啦也是很久啦對不對18歲過到70歲你才可能有機會去碰觸到新的交通規定 |
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要有一些新的耗資 他們說我們可能開車機會比較少 你現在做普通的喔無所謂的 其實你自己路邊注意看一看 標線耗資你根本看不到跟你以前考駕照 炸了天差地遠啦所以日本喔 日本的駕照有分界 也有分性啦它有綠色駕照 藍色駕照 金色駕照 細節我沒時間講啦 |
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你不要因為一個車 你就頭痛醫頭 腳痛醫腳你如果要頂這個換照制度 你就頂好誰換照你本來不是認知測驗 看一些交通規則 不是這樣它日本還有實車測試的甚至於它有專門設計給老人開的車輛 來我給你看一下 |
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日本規範到這麼細喔 輔助車輛限定駕照不是剛剛立法給你問你回答的輔助駕駛電腦系統 不是啦這種車就專門設計給老人開的啦他的煞車系統 他的加速系統 他的警示系統都特別設計而且這個腳腳 老人啦 這個腳腳 任何人都可以啦 不是老人你只能開這種車 |
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599.246 |
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617.315 |
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這種輔助車輛限定的駕照你只能開這種輔助車你不能開一般的車因為一般的車設計性能跟這個安全性都不一樣因為有的地方不是都有T-PASS可以坐啦對 沒錯你像我們台南的正開路人要坐多久結運 坐公車就很困難啦 |
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621.411 |
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632.37 |
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對不對 像這個就可以贏啦這開不快啦來裝避摩托車比較安全嘛對不對 而且他的安全式是很多啦而且駕照是特別的啦 |
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633.653 |
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658.376 |
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所以你換照 你有沒有分級換照 制度 我希望你能頂幾座的出來啦好 我沒思考我認為全世界目前對老人駕駛最先進的規範就是日本因為日本的老人化是世界上最嚴重的 現在台灣比日本還嚴重所以我們要趕快 這方面我們趕快追上來 好不好好 部長好 辛苦啦 這個一定要做好 好好 謝謝 多謝 保重好 感謝主席 |