| IVOD_ID |
161680 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161680 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T09:43:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T09:55:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db4203dff1f5230e4bda433bb611ec39b9c32860b8eb41b2442b651861cc72ae2f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:06 - 09:55:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部、金融監督管理委員會、中央銀行就「房屋稅2.0課徵亂象與金融機構對不動產融資緊縮及中央銀行信用管制措施對房地產交易之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結書面報告案39案。【報告事項】
三、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關金融監督管理委員會主管預算凍結專案報告案9案。【討論事項】） |
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來我請教一下為什麼今天那個楊總裁沒有來呢因為那個請假因為今天主要排那個房地產的那他相對主角不是他啦主角不是他主角不是他那我想奇怪他怎麼沒有來因為我要問那個主權基金啊對但這個主權基金是臨時跑出來的對啊原來題目設定在房地產嘛原來設定在房地產好那嚴務總裁還有包括門莊部長 |
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好 財政部的莊部長央行的袁副總裁 |
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各位官員一次以後就不用再敬禮了副總裁還有莊部長委員長我請教因為賴總統520談話提到說政府要成立推升台灣整個經濟的發展動人的主權基金打造國家級的投資平台那我請問副總裁我們行政院 |
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財經部會對成立主權基金是不是已經有充分的共識有沒有 |
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就我的了解我們在那個國發會主導其實已經有討論過討論過交換過意見交換過意見有沒有很肯定為什麼賴總統在520談話中提出說這個就提出這一點而且這個未來還是必須要進一步規劃管理以及整個執行的運作這個不是說 |
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這個主權基金是整個國際上的投資不是像我們國安基金一樣就是有時候股市真的是很嚴重的時候怎麼要進去那個我們都可以接受那過去這個 |
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主權基金也有我們本院的同仁那他現在已經不在了那個叫吳興代他也提過其實那時候中央銀行財政部你們表面當然也不是說絕對反對但是私底下大家都不接受那你總不能說那時候不接受現在沒人接受來 副總裁你有什麼看法 |
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那個報告委員因為我不在那個陳菊我不知道那個總統這樣子的那個部長你知不知道那個莊部長是昨天在總統的談話裡面確實有提到有關主權基金的部分那我想主權基金的設置上一次財委會也開過也開過三題報告那在這裡面很清楚第一個主權基金的設置當然要做一個審慎的規劃包含設立專法以及未來 |
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因為吼 |
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副總裁跟部長因為尤其總裁有說過首批資金來源可能採用三種的方式包括由財政部來發債財政部撥款或由財政部出資來設立但不宜由外匯存底直接無償的撥用那我請問副總裁就你對資金來源的表述你認為主權基金是不是應該由財政部主導管理你的看法 |
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因為主權基金代表是政府的財富的運用所以基本上是由整個政府來主導這個案子那總結辦會你認為應該是由誰因為這個還是在我 |
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我覺得還是要在做跨部會之間的溝通跨部會溝通因為目前財政部已經有了國安基金如果再加上主權基金那我請問那個莊部長你們有沒有能力來承擔這兩大基金的管理跟運用有關主權基金未來假設要成立的話他的管理機構都有待有關在專法裡面要來訂定 |
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是由哪個單位來組織這個部分行政院發言人也說了會再詳細的討論討論其實主權基金它的風險很大大家都清清楚楚而且你將來整個組織架構你要用專業的人士來操作而且 |
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這個裡面到最後會不會產生問題因為講實在話我對現在的政府打問號因為他有很多根本就都是用酬庸式的而且那個裡面這是一大筆基金這是大家的錢也不是說由你主導然後你就可以遙控還怎麼樣這個是有問題的所以說我認為這個要審慎部長你有什麼看法 |
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當然委員提出了這些問題未來在專法裡面訂定的時候要有什麼樣的一個管理機制以及什麼樣的人專業人才來做這個基金的一個投資策略的一個擬定還有有沒有決策的一個機構來做處理這個未來在專法裡面都要審慎的研議的審慎研議那你認為說就是未來整個 |
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主責的單位是你認為是應該中央銀行還是你們呢還是財政部呢這個行政院會再討論我認為齁這個要審慎的去考量處理啦不是換了個位子就換了個腦袋啦過去你們是不贊成的然後現在賴總統講一句話然後你們就馬上來附和上議這個是很嚴重的事情你們要講真話對不對 |
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那個閻副總裁你的看法呢那個報告委員其實我們從那個彭總裁論內我們都一直彭總裁就反對啦我們沒有反對我們只是反對那個外匯無償撥用的這個對啊你們外匯堅持說不行用外匯啊他可以用但是就透過去購買央行的外匯的方式去轉存到我們的未來的主權基金這邊 |
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所以我要澄清就是說我們一直是提供很多的方式去處理設立國家主權基金的這樣子的方式我們沒有我們沒有反我們覺得是不合適用外匯存底直接撥用的這個議題我是認為啦總裁 |
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這個因為副總裁那個我認為說這個要很審慎啦不能說上面講一句話然後你們就互合然後就怎麼樣去配合這個是很嚴重的問題要很審慎 |
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那個副總裁那個部長你回去按照第一季李監事會的記錄央行第七波的選擇性信用管制措施在嚇阻這個草房降低不動產貸款集中度及協助房市降溫的方面這個發揮最後然而媒體報導各公股銀行統計前四個月新成做的房貸金額以件數普遍較去年同期出現下滑 |
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那房貸利率則持續的上升上揚那我請問總裁幾波的選擇性的這個管制措施實施到現在為止你認為目前房市轉冷的情況是不是還在央行可控的狀態裡面 |
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因為我們也看到那個房市的交易量的確是最近這幾個月是有走走走緩或者是下降的現象但是那個房價其實他那個降幅還是還是沒有降沒有沒有特別的 |
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我們其實我們每一次理事會之前我們都會檢視我們的房地產的措施然後再討論這樣的措施的有效性這樣子那個副總裁那為符合政府推動房市政策國營繼續來配合進行不動產換款的總量管制那我請問考量今年川普對等關稅 |
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談判未定那國際金融情勢不確定性上升的這種情況下你認為皇室是不是有進一步受到衝擊這是一個比較大的問題因為這是國際的不安因素啊因為我們也不知道那個川普很多政策未來的調整情形是這樣未來會不會鬆綁 |
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調整整個皇室政策的條件之一會不會 報告委員我們每一季我們在理事會之前我們都會檢視我們的過去的執行成效那在那個那個場合之下我們如果有需要檢討或者是修正我們會跟央行的理事會去報告這個案子這樣喔 延伍總裁選擇性的信用管制措施對不動產市場的約束以及國外財經 |
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585.916 |
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經濟局勢不確定性增加讓民眾整個購屋度轉為保守來觀望今年來整體的黃式交易量較去年同期減少導致新陳做的黃帶下滑那以今年黃式交易新陳做黃帶的發展市場上 |
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609.671 |
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逐漸傳出央行信用管制措施要調整不動產這個還款的餘額的異常太樣那我請問沐總裁面對這樣的市場傳聞不時報導內容你認為是基於哪種心態或者是有哪些目的所以說才在最近出現這個這樣的一個發酵你認為呢 |
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642.009 |
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那個報告委員因為我記得在5月初的時候我們有已經有5月8號5月9號我們有一個新聞稿說明我們的政策其實暫時還沒有準備要調整央行澄清那信用管制現狀未改變那還是按照當前的規範措施未來是不是要調整理事會將充分的討論那我請問副總裁第二季理監事會有沒有可能最快的調整 |
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這個選擇性的這個信用管制的措施的時間點會不會包括這個是由我們理事來討論所以我不方便在這邊那個副總裁你回應會滾動檢討房市政策並檢討檢視啊這個因為總裁有講過會檢視三 |
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三重點啦一是信用管制措施的成效二是不動產市場的狀況三是不動產資源有無過度的傾斜再來決定措施適否調整那這個請問副總裁 央行信用管制措施這個沒有推出第八波是不是代表成效已經達到滿分的這種狀況 |
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我們會注意到房地產市場的整個發展情形還是央行能不排除有推出下一波信用管制措施的可能會不會我們一直說我們在滾動式的檢討請問副總裁檢視重點二不動產市場的狀況你認為哪些條件花生石央行才會考慮調整的措施 |
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其實我們在考慮房地產市場的時候我們不是只有幾個條件說啦而且還是有看整個整個國內外經濟金融情勢對房地產市場的影響的再做判斷這樣喔好謝謝謝謝好謝謝李委員的質詢下一個請吳秉樂委員質詢請 |