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發言會現在繼續開會,對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。今天進行個人質詢,財政組之質詢。現在請黃委員三三質詢。好,謝謝主席。 |
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謝謝主席。我想請卓院長、金管會彭主委、財政部莊部長以及央行楊總裁。 |
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1864.384 |
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1891.435 |
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黃委員好院長好還有三位首長好我想這幾天大家都看到了中國對台灣的步步進逼現在的軍演還有貿易戰法律戰其實出招不斷雖然今天只有財政部門我現在要問一下院長這幾天看到這個演習當然現在的侵擾已經是每一天都發生那我最關心的是我們金融上面 |
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1892.648 |
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1918.229 |
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相關的應對也就是在烏克蘭戰爭最大的問題是他先做了一些金融上面的破壞但是還好人家有做準備我想問的是今年3月的時候金融研訓院說要加強兵推然後部長在3月份的回答是去年有做過我想問一下我們的金融兵推做好準備了沒有院長 |
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1921.109 |
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1942.403 |
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謝謝委員 這真的是一個不平靜的時代從烏克蘭戰爭到中東的衝突那麼中國又適宜的隨時的在臺灣的周遭進行任何大大小小的這個狀況這個已經不奇怪了現在是未來可能的就是金融上面的破壞尤其是在烏克蘭戰爭發生之前 |
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1944.804 |
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1973.46 |
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就做了一些金融體系的恐嚇甚至發動假的訊息說給所有烏克蘭的手機說ATM領到錢了這件事情會不會在臺灣發生我們做好準備就拿昨天的例子昨天早上總統一早召開了國安高層會議聽取各方報告之後做了重要的指示隨後行政院也希望回來之後通令各部會我們希望在這個股會是經濟民生 |
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1974.56 |
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1997.354 |
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還有治安方面,尤其治安可能就跟委員所說的,我們希望臺灣的所有的跟民生相關的,或者是重要基礎設施,任何的治安的保全都要非常的盡到狀況。 那昨天我們是有做過。 院長,我只關心今天只要回答我,金融兵推去年10月12月有做,今年做了沒?做好準備了沒?還是你們已經有相關的答案,非常穩,非常已經有把握不需要再做了? |
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1998.069 |
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1998.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
沒錯﹖ |
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2024.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2039.602 |
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所以院長其實我現在的問題是發生事情因為現在有點像狼來了每天演習演到最後大家心理上面就沒有戒心了第二個他如果真的要發動動作的時候比如說他真的發個假簡訊告訴大家說ATM領不到錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2041.862 |
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2060.198 |
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臺灣人可能有人會相信那這個部分其實政府要增強人民的信心而且要有建立正確的管道這個部分的金融兵推我覺得現在要做而且平常就要教育我們的民眾從現在開始可能金融上面的第一關是每個民眾都非常在意的 |
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2061.119 |
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2086.523 |
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你看,烏克蘭發生戰爭第一件事情大家就是幹嘛?領錢,然後討難。 這兩件事情會是第一,優先。 所以這個部分,金融兵推,去年做過,今年可能還沒有完成。 那院長上任,我希望,是不是變成常態性的。 第二個,是不是有具體的兵推之後的檢討,跟相關的經濟的作業,甚至我希望開始要增加人民的信心。 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2088.804 |
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2110.511 |
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關鍵基礎設施、民生維生系統、通訊系統以及金融系統、交通系統,這個都是在我們全社會任性防衛當中,我們都會把它當作非常重要的事情來處理。我同意,因為我在財政委員會,最關心的是我們三大龍頭,我們自己能不能先穩健,第二個, |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
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2137.068 |
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一戰爭就要增加軍費,人民要繳更多的稅,第三個我們的錢夠不夠,我們有沒有準備好這些軍費,這才是我們關心的,好嗎?那委員說最近以來這種軍艦、軍機各種的演習很多,狀況很多,來的時候我們不慌不亂,沒有的時候我們也做好所有的準備,也不會任何的放鬆,請委員放心。院長,我希望金融兵推在你上任之後我可以看到第一次的金融兵推,好嗎? |
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2139.91 |
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我會跟部長跟總裁我們怎麼樣讓國人安心表達我們已經做好了充分的準備 這個謝謝委員的提醒 |
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2161.889 |
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每次院長我都會問同樣的問題啊財政收支劃分法從您上任第一次的總質詢還有部長我們在財政委員會其實講的非常多次那現在國民黨團他們也提出他們的修正版本將要靠攏民進民眾黨版本也就是我們上一次所提的這個修正案那目前為止我想只問你一句話 |
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行政院要不要休?休還是不休?你們要不要提出自己的版本?兩點跟委員報告,第一,我們認為現在的版本具執行是行政院最有把握的。就是你上次跟我說的嘛,已經是最佳的共識了。就25年來現在是最好的狀況。我們認為現在的版本來執行是我們最有把握的,而且我們會持續對地方政府做更多的補助。第二點呢?所以院長, |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2209.798 |
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2227.011 |
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你認為只要按照大有為的政府來決定就好,所以不需要入法,不需要制度化,就是按照你們現在的版本就是最好的版本。之前陳水扁、蔡英文跟賴清德所說才化法要修正,他們是導彈鬼囉。 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2228.607 |
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2253.404 |
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不是,這是這個時代的不同,時間的不同,我們各有不同的考量。時間的不同,我們只是希望把你講的最好的辦法入法而已。你現在所說的最好的辦法,我們希望它制度化、明確化,而不是單純的按照行政院自己的意志,而地方政府沒有參與的機會。沒有沒有,我剛剛只說了一點,我還有第二點,就是現在立法院的氣氛正朝向更好的方向發展。 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
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2254.525 |
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臨時提案委員： |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
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所以民眾黨的原則很簡單第一個我們大概增加的是2700億的垂直分配對地方只會多不會少但是也不能影響到中央運作所以2700億是我們覺得合理而的確你們每一年大概也都剩下2000多億的隨機剩餘第二個部分是只要增加了在水平分配的部分原則上不會任何縣市都不會比現在少 |
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2304.923 |
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2305.243 |
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所以我們要設定的是叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2323.166 |
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2342.265 |
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統籌分配稅款分配委員會,委員會的部分就會讓財政部跟地方政府有相關討論的過程,而且讓財政部保留他們可以調節所謂的一般性補助款,調節他們的統籌分配稅款,所以民眾黨版本沒有訂建,但是要討論。 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2343.626 |
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2360.396 |
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院長我們在上個會期在財政委員會做了一個很好的決議希望你們提出自己的版本我現在只有簡單的問行政院是不打算提版本嗎還是要等黨團協商還是要破釜沉舟還是要垂死掙扎 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2361.404 |
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2385.596 |
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跟委員說明一下,非常贊成委員剛剛提到,第一個財政收支劃分法這件事情,第一個我們的前提,第一個要兼顧地方財政需求,而且要維新中央的一個政經,來因應緊急的需要,我們也都在努力當中,那您提到的是垂直分配,那水平分配的部分事實上它更重要,因為涉及到同一方政府的分配,所以我們也召開會議,然後有更大的 |
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2388.237 |
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2394.502 |
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這三個問題跟委員報告 行政院的版本在沒有更好的之前我們認為現在是最好的版本在進入法案審查之前我們認為現在的版本我們來執行是最有把握的 |
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2439.86 |
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將來我希望我們還是透過很誠懇的朝野協商來達到大家共同的共識。院長,我們在財政委員會我想委員都非常善意,所以上個會期就希望我們幫的意見告訴了你們,我們沒有說硬要怎麼樣,但是今年這個會期看起來,包括我們的召委會牌,我們的版本也在裡面,我們也希望你們有版本大家一起討論,所以沒有人要強度關山,但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2441.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2469.539 |
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行政院不能假裝沒看見這件事情假設在立法院通過你們又要再來搞一次復議嗎還是要再來搞一次釋憲呢我們希望在討論的過程當中要在製造朝野的對立我們要希望你們好好來討論朝野黨團好好的協商那行政院也能在適當的機會表達我們跟大院裡面的共同的討論沒錯所以拜託如果部長可以的話你說的水平分配你們認為有爭議的部分就拿到立法院來討論好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2471.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2499.063 |
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好先暫停我們請金管會 黃主委部長請回黃主委請好這個主委上來就是院長我們還是要強調臺灣現在的融資公司其實叫做話外之地融資公司只要他有做公司登記任何公司都可以借錢給別人因為公司法只有規定40%以內資本額他就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2501.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2528.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
借錢給別人所以我們現在坊間的融資公司各種樣態大大小小假買賣真貸款這種狀況非常的嚴重今年起訴了兩個士官兵洩密去抵債為什麼因為他們去跟不法的或者是不知道哪裡來的所謂的融資公司借錢還不出來就幹嘛回去偷機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2529.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2551.945 |
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這是很嚴重的,剛剛我們講我們的國家安全很重要,然後我們的士官兵竟然用洩密來抵債,這個融資公司已經不單單只是社會問題了,它可能還是國家安全問題。另外這個部分就是我們主委也跟你談論過,我們台灣調查過的年輕世代的金融素養, |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2553.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2571.841 |
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第一根極低竟然高達81%也就是大家不知道怎麼理財大家不知道要到哪裡去找到合法的融資管道然後甚至剛剛講的即使他已經是國軍官兵了他受了教育可能也不讓他不知道去哪裡借錢去借到了不該借的錢 |
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2573.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2596.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
更嚴重的是我們國軍的軍紀有一個規定嚴禁國軍向不法機構執押、執銷或營內籌組或聚會等情勢也就是說國軍不可以隨便去亂借錢也不可以去做一些執銷或者是說在裡面搞錢的事情但是我想問的是主委請問什麼叫做不法機構 |
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2598.355 |
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2611.984 |
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報告委員,我講,全臺灣的公司只要是公司登記的就可以借錢,它是不是不法機構?是,報告委員,其實有關融資註定公司,在民國85年大家就開始討論到這個問題,到現在已經快30年,可見它的問題的複雜度,很嚴重 |
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2614.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2645.03 |
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2645.231 |
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一定會緩對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2647.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2651.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
對這也是我們金管會也觀察到這個問題也也也承蒙很多委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2676.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2679.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
主委,我很清楚你的主張,院長,主委想做,你要不要指使他做? |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2689.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2715.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
當然支持,我是非常支持彭珠在這個方面的努力提出的方法。那我現在就講,在96年的時候張俊雄院長的時候已經訂了融資公司專法,而且當時就以金管會為管理機關。這件事情我相信主委也非常認真。然後我們看到全世界國家裡面大部分都會成立專責機關,目前只有台灣沒有。台灣是一個經濟部要管幾十萬家公司的人在管。 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2734.543 |
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所謂的融資處理公司他等於沒管。 其實金管會有一些比較替代性的方案正在執行中。 主委我希望訂專法這個專法同樣的民眾黨我們已經提了版本我相信民進黨團裡面有非常的委員也很忠實這件事。 院長支持金管會把他納管 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2735.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2760.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我支持首先必須納管再來可以考慮各種形式的專法將來加強他的登記條件以及他的審核要嚴審院長可不可以在一個月之內給我一個初步的回應把你剛剛所說的方向跟接下去要納管我希望至少要納管到幾件事第一個設立的資格資金的準備從業人員的資格還有信用管制跟放貸條件最重要的是違約金的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2761.548 |
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2789.345 |
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報告委員,剛剛說的都是軍管會最近跟我說明的內容,我希望它在完整之後,我們將...好,謝謝黃委員。好,謝謝卓院長。林楚英委員之質詢,以書面提出,請行政院書面答覆,並列入紀錄刊登公報。下一位請葛如君委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2809.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2812.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
謝謝主席。有請行政院主同臺院長。請卓院長備選。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2822.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2838.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
各位早 早 金融韌性也是臺灣韌性的一部分 我們要對接國際那首先非常感謝我們的政府傾聽民意 採納本席的建議在9月30號的時候有正式宣布 開放專業投資人副委託來投資國外的虛擬資產的現貨ETF 包含比特幣等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2844.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2864.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那這可以說是我們邁向虛擬世界數位金融的一小步但是也可以說是一大步但是這應該只是開始不是結束也應該不要停下來所以想先請教一下院長我們對於國內的金礦公司或國內的企業來自己發行我們國內的虛擬貨幣的ETF有沒有相關的研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2865.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2866.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
有機會持續跟上 |
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好,那我想接下來還是要跟您分享一下我們在之前8月份的時候有受邀到日本參加WebEx的一個日本最大的活動之一那前首相岸田文雄也在上面講了Web3包含AI包含區塊鏈是解決社會問題的重要基礎 |
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經濟產業大臣齋藤健也在主題演講當中提出日本正在迎來各種問題其實區塊鏈可能是解決這些問題數位金融解決這些問題的一個非常重要的創新方式日本正在推動自己成為全球創新中心 |
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那當我們的鄰國抓住了這些金融科技的一些這個機會,想要變成中心的時候,反觀我們在臺灣,您上任以來說我們很創新、很行動,但是我們有看了你們上任以來推出的各項政策,對金融科技,剛剛我們也提到金融兵推,其實還是有點不太前瞻,想請教一下院長, |
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之前一直有傳言說金管會正要計劃組織、調整、要新設虛擬資產管理局。 請問目前研議的進度如何?報告委員,我想剛才提到委員確實我們在整個台灣的金融政策最近有一些比較大的不同。陳柱委員剛才講的,未來整個比如說金融科技的發展是一個很多國家關注的議題。那我們也開始在關注這一題,因為未來我們從傳統金融走向數位金融的過程當中, |
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中央政府組織規範 |
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因為我們的理解是虛擬貨幣跟虛擬通貨都還是留在正期局那我想問一下正期局目前有多少人力來處理虛擬貨幣的業務 |
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現在報告委員這確實是我們面臨到一個很大的問題這是我們在處理那個這個VASP的專法的時候陳鵬院裡面給我們13位人力但是因為這個人力要跟市場上在競爭非常的困難我們現在補充這個人力遇到很大的困難但是我們還持續在努力我們現在得到的是8位但不管8到13位這都是全部在做這個業務還是兼的 |
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現在來講的話,現在來做,因為我們現在補的人還沒有到位,現在是由我們現在的同仁,大部分是由現在的同仁來兼任。 |
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二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、 |
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這個院長能不能在此具體承諾﹖把緣惡也補充足﹖讓我們在虛擬金融、數位金融中心這一塊﹖找一點超車。謝謝委員﹖我們這個相關的這個業務是起頭中﹖那起頭之後﹖我想﹖窗口、人力﹖軍管會他會就人力的是不是足夠﹖您具體承諾他才有辦法嗎?他會就人力是否足夠﹖能力能不能去﹖如果他說不足﹖ |
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今晚會議真的是很創新,10月8日有宣布 |
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要開放銀行跟券商申請虛擬資產保管業務的事辦。 那我們拭目以待,希望據說明年第一季要正式上路,希望一定要準時,因為我們已經落後了。所以沒問題,我想這部分我們也是在,我剛剛跟委員報告過,我們傳統金融要轉型在未來的數位金融的時候,我們也要先讓銀行習慣這樣的一個發展,再來就是 |
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臨時資產代幣化 |
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那這個目前事辦的規劃,不知道院長知不知道Real World Assets的具體演繹跟規劃進度如何?有沒有業者提出事辦或實驗?我想這部分也跟委員報告一下,因為這也是一個很新的東西,我們也觀察到未來可能越來越多實體世界的資產可能透過剛才區塊鏈的技術 |
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能夠做一些所謂代幣化代幣化可以做到24小時低成本的交易也可以做到信任所以我們現在組成了一個這樣的一個工作小組結合了銀行跟還有就是我們的還有證券公司還有我們的吉寶還有是相關的這些周邊單位正在組成一個工作群正在研議這樣的一個實驗中什麼時候會有相關的時程出來我想我們現在已經在進行中我想明年大概明年應該就會有一些具體的成績出來 |
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好,如果有需要也記得編列相關預算到總預算裡面那提到RWA也要和院長談談這個可能是院長的高度要來關注一下我們的穩定幣Stable Coin因為RWA底下其實有一塊就是穩定幣穩定幣並不是一個虛無縹緲的東西要有人把真金白銀放到他的左手他的右手才可以在區塊鏈在數位世界裡放出等量的 |
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主席 |
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我們現在看到的這些國家,日本、新加坡、美國,都已經陸續納管,而且有的、還沒的也正在討論。 隨著相關的法案的上路,今晚會要提出的這個虛擬資產專法,會不會放進、會不會討論穩定幣的發行,格外受到矚目。 想請問一下院長,明年行政院提出的虛擬資產專法,會不會討論到或者納入穩定幣的規範? |
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報告委員,這個因為討論的現在過程還沒有到院裡面來,我想金管會會很充分的去掌握跟了解。是,我想在這邊跟委員報告一下,因為我們這個案子確實是,我們在上個會期有答應立法院,我們今年年底我們會提出一個草案,但是我們真正的法案剛剛陳徒院長提到了,我們到明年6月才會送到院裡面來。 |
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有沒有穩定幣的部分剛剛委員提到就是說我們當時這部專法是先從洗錢防治開始出發我們現在走到第三階段我們現在第四階段是才會進行所謂專法專法這部分我們在研究報告裡面有在討論這個範圍我們還沒有確定我們還有經過公聽還有跟各個部會協商我們才會做確定我們現在還在研議中我們跟院長報告一下我們已經幫你做好功課了 |
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目前我們台灣只有規範到穩定幣的交易面我們沒有辦法發行其實跟各國比起來已經非常落後了日本已經有可以發行而且他已經有牌照那當然我們不一定要做牌照的制度但是穩定幣在台灣現在是一個薛丁格的幣 |
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不知道他到底是什麼樣的存在狀態請教院長行政院曾經邀集金管會跟央行跨部會協調穩定幣規範的權責分配有沒有做過還是有沒有要確定穩定幣的主責機關否則接下來明年可能全世界各國都會發行穩定幣而且是由企業不是由央行這個可不可以來承諾一下將來我們這個 |
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總之最後專法出來一定會有一個 |
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主管機關現在沒辦法決定,各國都已經,我們要不要再回去看其他國家到底有多少啊?然後我們現在還不知道主責機關是誰嗎?一個新的法律的研議的過程,我們會參考國外現行的例子,來做我們重要的參考,也要符合我國的國情。 |
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複合國情是對的,但是這不能當作永遠落後的藉口。我們在金融中心指數排行全世界第73名,今年還降低5分。數位金融中心沒有排名,我們應該要早一點努力要超車嘛。 |
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這個方向我們一定會朝這來走我剛才只是跟委員提到比如說有關穩定面跟交易面跟發行面本來就有很多不同的考量我是希望趕快落地下來到底哪一個主責機關院長您發揮您的領導統一跟高度趕快決定如果沒有確定的部會都討論那就等於沒有討論那我們接下來來看為什麼這些問題這麼的重要因為全世界都在擁抱數位資產 |
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邁阿密的市長已經領了很多年用他的薪水領的是比特幣、數位貨幣。 路易斯安納州的財政部9月17日公告,州政府計劃接受加密貨幣作為支付國家費用的合法方式。 州長甚至說 |
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這也是為什麼日本跟美國非常重視我們整理了很多各國 |
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一般的國人 |
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我向院長報告 現在有很多的詐騙集團 |
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我們可以看到過去9個月來加密貨幣的議題已經跨越黨派了 |
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民主黨的總統候選人現在是副總統他強調數位資產具有戰略重要性 |
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特朗普說比特幣他要把它列為戰略儲備這已經是美國兩黨的共識了所以我想要問現在我們有沒有關注到像眾議院的培沃西跟七十一名民主黨員還支持了21世紀創新金融技術法案我們的不管是外匯存底我們的一些基金 |
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請蔣總裁來說明 |
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有關委員是提到就是說中央銀行的外資存底是不是可以考慮來納入這個比特幣不過我目前我跟委員報告我們也有經過審慎的一個研究到目前為止我們還不會把比特幣納入我們的外資資產那持續考慮可以嗎 |
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當然當然,因為我想虛擬資產這是一個動態的發展,所以中央銀行也不會說一馬上就說要把這個比特幣把它納入我們的外資產當然要演繹,那院長我們如果要把戰略儲備裡面要納入比特幣,是哪一個部會啊? |
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這將來,到了我們該討論,讓它形成一套制度的時候,當然就是我們這個財經所有的部會來討論,將來一定會有需要的時候,到那個時候﹖需要的時候來不及了,您可不可以提前指示,提前造成會議﹖ |
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最後我想說臺灣在人才上面本來是領先的,但是未來一定要您領導統一,希望所有的人我們一起打造Web3下一代的護國神山。謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。謝謝葛委員。好,謝謝卓院長。發言會現在在議場二樓旁聽喜的是國防大學政治系的同學,我們在此歡迎他們到立法院參訪。謝謝。 |
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下一位我們請林德福委員質詢。謝謝大會主席江副院長。是不是請卓院長?請卓院長備詢。 |
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林委員好 委員長你好 院長我請教因為財政收支劃分法25年來 絲毫未動那立法院在參議會在這個上個會期決議要求財政部必須在會期開始前提出草案那我請問院長為什麼到現在還看不到行政院修正的版本送進立法院那這裡面到底是財政部 |
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現代執行職務還是行政院下令要求財政部無需要來提案所以說到現在還看不到行政院的版本 院長你有什麼看法 |
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報告委員,我們在院內經過充分的討論,我一直認為現在的財政收支發分法,我們來執行是最有把握的,而且根據這部法律,過去幾年當中,我們對地方政府的任何的補助金額是持續在增加的,詳細數字我再請部長說明。 |
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所以目前這樣實施下去地方任何的重大建設中央持續來加以協助都成為一種在財政合作上面的常態也符合我們的財政紀律但是在過去我所看的並不然啊不是你所講的啊因為地方跟中央為什麼說地方一直要爭 |
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因為中央長權又長錢所以說才要才化法而且讓地方的政府大家商討大概有一個額度比較適當的額度而且財委會也在上個會期有做這樣的一個決議但是行政院認為不必因為25年來其實25年裡面 |
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有藍有綠都執政過 但是才化法幾乎一次又一次的都有討論過那因為才化法制定以來就有許多當然不同的意見出現 所以說各地方政府也有來自不同的主張 那就算討論再多多半到最後沒有一個具體的結論 有媒體報導 |
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行政院希望以中央用全國的高度以角度來看才能夠兼顧公平性合理性以及維護中央政府財務韌性等多重考量下來進行相關的法制規劃及調整那我請問院長以您的高度來看到底是由誰來提案才能夠達到真正的 |
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客觀、公平、合理以及維護財政的韌性。 |
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報告委員多年來中央地方的財政的合作一直呈現出很正面的價值現在各縣市地方政府的債務比例也持續在下降表示中央除了在工建計畫上面比如說捷運還有很多的這個科學園區的設計都是中央全力在支持的更有很多的道路系統交通系統跟防洪治水的預算都是中央全力在做而且相當多是跨縣市區域性的在做 |
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這個如果單一縣市來做我想他在執行上會明顯的困難那中央累積過去這麼多年的經驗我們可以做到這樣的一個在財政分配上以及在各種建設的比例上我們做好好的規劃那我覺得現在這個財政收收發放法是目前來看最有把握執行的院長你的看法還是中央來分配就對了這不是分配中央地方的財政合作因為齁 |
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以維護財政的韌性是中央政府還是地方政府還是財政部還是執政黨立委還是在野黨的立委因您看呢?沒有中央地方是財政的合作並不是我只是分配而已院長20多年來時空環境變遷那中央地方政府經歷多次政黨的輪替那為了鞏固執政權力充滿算計下的修法讓財化法 |
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不是,報告委員,過去這麼多年來,我們透過一般補助,透過統籌分配稅款,以及各種交通跟其他各項的公共建設的補助,跟地方的合作 |
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我想部長可以很清楚的數字來跟委員說明而且這個持續增加的那我請問院長難道一直沒有找到共識就能夠作為財政部不提出修法的主要理由還是擔心修法後出現中央與地方政府政治權利 |
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這個整個失衡的一個結果又或者是根本就是考量算計執政和在野黨恐怕因為修法後失去政權所以說根本將財化法修法視為未圖 院長 |
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說說你的看法。 |
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開誠布公的來談,談的就是讓人民感覺到安心。 院長本席認為說有權就要有責,那有責就有法可循,那行政院應該要逆向的思考,重整修法邏輯的思維,我相信許多顧慮都可以迎刃而解,你的看法呢? |
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有權當然要有責啊當然財政跟事權必須要劃一但是在現行雖然沒有修但是透過中央統籌跟一般性補助款113年的金額達到6356億比105年成長46.7%而在114年更會增加900億 |
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我相信這一次整個財政委員會絕對會把這個要是說 |
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這個行政院不提出修法的版本那財委會現在做的一個決定到時候一定會送到院會來做最後的決定我認為要是由行政院來提出版本是最適當那既然行政院不提出版本我相信財委會最後一定會討論出一個結論來 |
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我希望還是經過大院內部的協商以及兩院之間談這個事情。 行政院不是沒有版本,現行的版本我一直強調現在是最好的版本,我們看不到更好的版本。 那我就尊重你。 院長,臺灣消費者物價指數年增率已經連續3年超過2%,以往外界習慣定為2%為通膨的一個警戒線。 |
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那央行解釋臺灣屬於小型開放的一個經濟體材具體彈性的整個物價穩定的一個定義應較為妥適。然而這個主計總署公布今年9月消費者物價指數CPI是1.82%疊回2%的通膨警戒線以下的數據來看請問院長 |
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數據發生變化是代表國內通盆情況緩和還是只是短期現象的一個反饋?報告委員數據當然是一個非常科學的計算跟統計但是過去從COVID-19之後一直到世界這個戰爭的發生到底卻造成了很多原物料的上漲我們也必須承受這個部分但是相對的來看 |
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相信數據我更重視的是我們到每一個小店家買東西的那樣一個感覺這個才是人民真正的生活我們希望這大家的基本的生活能夠穩定不要因為這樣的一個外在的國際因素造成太多的浮動所以我們在這次店價討點當中我們完全不調民生的用電用意就是在穩定民生其實齁你沒有調民生用電到最後一樣為什麼第一個 |
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其實齁 院長 |
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這個當然要苦民所苦啦,外面你看,所有你這個只要每天你去買便當,過去的便當到現在漲了以後,它下來,它絕對不會下來的啦,我相信你也很清楚,過去買便當大概70、80,最多100可以買到,現在你100買不到什麼, |
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所以說請問院長你對於未來CPI年增率的變化主計總署這樣樂觀的看待院長你的看法和主計處一致的嗎 |
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現場﹖ |
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雖然10月電價調漲的政策臺電評估出間接影響CPI超過0.03%雖然環境部宣布明年徵收的碳會對CPI影響約0.01% |
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除了剛剛委員所說的這兩項因素之外我們可控的部分我們盡量控制在我們合理的範圍當中但國際上的因素我們會做好萬全的準備 |
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所以說漲了就下不來啦,所以說老百姓很多過去能夠買那麼多東西現在買不到,他的重複指數就越高越高啊。 現在也降到1.82,他還是會浮動的,只要這個跟國際的因素跟國內的季節關係各項方面 |
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這個綜合起來還是會在我們可供的範圍內。好,院長,因為環球金融雜誌最新公布2024年主要國家央行總裁的評比,這個跟楊總裁有關係。我國央行總裁,這個我們楊總裁今年獲釋V家級的評等。那請問院長,針對今年環球金融雜誌對央行、楊總裁的評等,你有什麼看法? |
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我先幫楊總裁鼓勵一下再請總裁 |
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要維持都是A家那是非常辛苦的一件事情但也維持了那麼久就像大谷祥平連續36次倒壘總會失敗一次但是失敗那一次不會影響他是偉大球員我們請楊總裁說明 |
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那個 央行總裁你有什麼看法我想就中央銀行的立場來觀察他當然中央銀行還是就是說我們有持續努力的空間這是我的看法那是你很客氣的那個院長對於央行總裁平等的看法或許有許多不同的解讀但是對於央行政策到底要和國際央行接軌還是脫鉤我請問院長你有什麼看法 |
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這個我覺得重要我一直認為我們的金融、匯率等等這個市場我們應該更國際、更開放、更自由、更創新所以要跟國際接軌央行也必須要做很多的創新那現在央行除了對國內的 |
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主委院長 我再請教現階段到底我們應該順應潮流還是走自己的路 因您的看法 |
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按照中華經濟研究院公布9月製造業採購經理人指數出現中斷先前延四個月的擴張轉為緊縮 |
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是近半年來最低值從這項調查顯示國際景氣似乎有逐漸下滑的這種趨勢那院長你現在已經進入第四季央行為了打通膨打炒房似乎和現階段政策目標有一段距離啦換句話說說不定還有其他殺手間要推出請問院長如果未來國際景氣繼續往下 |
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下修的話,現階段央行打通膨打炒房的做法到底是應該如何加碼,還是有條件的修正? |
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謝謝委員 |
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好,謝謝林委員。謝謝卓院長。下一位我們請鄭正前委員質詢。謝謝主席,我要請一下周永泰院長。卓院長請備詢。 |
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政委好,主委長好。我想說在財政這個領域做質詢一定要談到財政收支劃分法。那因為在今年6月19號的時候,剛剛立德福委員也問到了,我們財政委員會其實有通過一個臨時提案,就是要求財政部在這個會期開議前的時候,把院版的財政收支劃分法提出來,可是財政部沒有提出來,院長知道這個事情嘛對不對?是。 |
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你知道嗎?所以這個部分是因為那個財政部沒有能力提出來還是行政院讓他們不要提出來?是,跟委員報告在6月19號的時候財政委員會的一個這樣的一個決議那要求財政部在這次開議之前提出修法版本那我們在當時的討論的時候也明白的說明這個部分 |
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事實上有時間上限的一個困難,事實上因為共識下去的不是那麼容易,所以我們的報告一定很重要。 部長,因為從上個會期的時候,上個會期的召委他就開過了公聽會,而且也都質詢過了,那到現在,因為25年都沒有改,我覺得剛剛院長特別提到說,現在的版本是你們覺得執行起來最有把握的一個狀態,可是我覺得這不是不提行政院版本的理由,我提一個目前我覺得 |
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目前整個財化法非常不合理的地方我以新竹市為例來說新竹市這邊的情況的時候部長、院長我們以去年整個創收的一個情況新竹市這邊的創收金額是2968億全國第三那麼人均的一個創收人均的創收是65萬 |
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每個人65萬每個人65萬那在這樣的一個情況之下的時候可是我們如果單純所得稅這個部分全國一兆8346億當中新竹市的貢獻度達到3067億佔16.7%這是所得稅的部分那整個統籌分配的時候去年的狀態是4227億 |
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新竹市只分配到了63.5億只拿到了統籌分配團裡面的1.5% |
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顯然新竹市創造了一個很高的一個貢獻度可是分配到的非常的少那我們再往下看我們看一下整個110年各縣市統籌分配稅款一般補助的分配表的部分因為剛剛院長提到了你跟地方配合的很好而且也給地方很多的一個支援地方要發展你都支持我給你看一下很具體的數字新竹市 |
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人均創收65萬,然後佔據整個普通的統籌分配稅款下來的時候只佔了1.5%,非常的低,只有69億。那麼一般性補助款,你也提到一般性補助款,新竹市也很低,新竹市只有30億,而且只比金門、馬祖高。 |
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比澎湖都低,這是一般性補助款。 從統籌分配稅款跟一般性補助款加起來的時候,新竹市一年就100億。 跟它的上角的稅收貢獻度來說的時候,只有3.37%,顯然非常的低啊。 院長你看到這樣的數字,你不會覺得說對整個新竹市這邊的一個狀態,覺得應該要有所調整嗎? |
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跟委員報告,您提到這個就是一個水平分配的一個機制,因為目前分配在縣市之間的一個分配,因為現在的分配機制是直轄市先分配到61%,縣市24%,再來鄉鎮,所以這個部分我們目前在調整是為了大一分配。 |
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教育部去推的時候,教育部推的時候,我們現在地方根本沒有這樣的預算去配合。然後我再講一個狀態,針對我們目前整個的一個賴清德總統提出來的桃竹苗大細股計畫,說要把大新竹輕軌納入。大新竹輕軌納入的時候,院長,新竹市、新竹縣政府負擔不起這樣的財務狀態。 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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發展所需要的一個資源。 難道這樣子有錯嗎? |
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院長。 |
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三件事情跟委員報告交通的部分我已經再度請陳士凱部長能夠對新竹包括高速公路那一段的塞車狀況要及時提出一個可檢討的方式出來我希望委員再給我們一點時間那個桃竹苗大細股現在已經進入到一個相當成熟的階段但是還沒有到最後的定案在這個過程當中我們還是跟地方多多的溝通可以改變納進或者是調整各種的內容這是一個另外 |
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你剛剛提到的,委員提到這個高中增班的機會,我知道過去是因為竹科的增加,國中小的增加,現在到了高中是必須增加,我們有在討論,不是完全沒有在討論。 是,院長,討論對民眾來講的時候,不是解決問題啊,討論這規劃本來就是行政部門必須要去做的事情。 是,討論之後就會實際的規劃,報告可行性。 我接下來,我還會繼續再 |
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交通委員會我還會再繼續跟你問交通相關的問題你剛剛提到了一個高速公路就是舞陽高架延伸到苗栗這一段這個部分只是一小部分解決高速公路問題跟整個科學園區周邊的狀態其實還是沒有辦法解決所以大氣鼓計畫裡面的 |
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大新竹輕軌我們其實我會再跟你來討論這個部分這個部分完全反映出了地方政府沒有足夠的能力去做好的基礎建設所以在科學人區工作的人目前17萬的工作人口他們每天塞車花掉這麼多的一個成本你覺得這是他們貢獻了這麼多稅收出來應得的一個狀態嗎? |
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院長 |
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沒有,我們是在均衡臺灣的理念之下,或許我們可以用其他的時間跟委員再詳細討論一下桃子苗大矽谷這個計畫目前進展跟未來大家是不是還有更好的構想能夠來讓他調整一下。好,針對這個部分我在想說財政收支沒有真的做調整的時候新竹市永遠不會有足夠的錢去做好的一個基礎建設。我們也希望能夠像臺北市有好的捷運啊,可是新竹市一直都沒有。 |
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規劃了這麼久,連規劃案都還沒有成熟。所以我們現在在討論的分配機制裡面就包含了一個基本建設的需求,因為均衡區域發展是分配財源非常重要的一個目的,以及做調整財政營需的一個目的。所以現在分配機制上我們一直都在討論。因為到目前我們看到的狀態,新竹市都是非常不公平的被對待,好不好?委員的意見我們納入,是。 |
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所以我這邊很主張一個點就是希望地方的所得受的貢獻度能夠納入中央在做財化考量分配時候的一個依據 院長你可不可以答應這個部分因為跟委員報告其實各個地方的財政狀況完全不同 |
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有十幾個縣市你把國稅全部他收起的國稅跟地稅都給他他都還不夠支出所以我們這個財務部長我了解這個狀態只是我剛把那數字提出來你覺得還是合理嗎新竹市貢獻了所得稅16.7%只分配到了統籌分配款的1.5%你覺得這樣合理嗎然後新竹市又不是像台北市有那麼好的捷運有那麼好的基礎建設都沒有欸還要繼續再發展才有辦法 |
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就是不夠! |
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所以我們才有一般型補助、計畫型補助、各種的方式來做正面的計算。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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卡到了一個狀態,就是原住民的一個進法補償的一個問題。那10月11日的時候,行政院的發言人李瑞芝表示說,院長當時沒有提出復議案是因為避免引發不必要的對立,然後不忍心,於心不忍,所以才沒有提出復議。 院長你是這樣講是嗎? |
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這只是中間那一段話,因為我後面那一段話是我明明知道,我認為,禁法補償這個法律案是違背了憲法70條的精神跟規定,也違背了預算法。我明明知道它的合法性有問題,但是我認為我那時候提復議案會造成更大的對立,我情願想用這一段方法來解決。 |
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行政院如果對於立法院通過的法案﹐有覺得自愛難行之處﹐應依法提出﹐你沒有提出會議﹐就覺得你沒有自愛難行嗎﹐既然沒有自愛難行﹐賴清德總統其實也在6月24號公布了這樣的一個法﹐公布出來之後﹐行政院完全不甩﹐ |
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然後預算送到立法院,立法院退回來之後,你們只要改一下之後再送進來,也許這事情就過去了,可是你們就硬不改。 我不曉得這個部分是人民會的問題,它不作為不依法行政,不依法編列預算,還是財政部沒有把所有的預算整合好,還是院長還是你下令? |
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這是一個原則問題。 我也向立法院提出過施政報告。 |
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我們三讀通過的法案,行政院可以不編列預算,不依法行政,你說這個是你們的原則問題,那以後行政院都可以選擇性的依法行政就可以嗎?不是選擇性,報告委員,如果明年客家 |
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三、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50 |
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通過是這樣一個法案,行政院不做的時候還振振有詞,我覺得完全把台灣的民主制度踐踏在腳下,院長我覺得這是有問題的,而且我覺得你不去執行這樣子的一個立法,通院通過的一個案子的時候,我覺得你不只是在踐踏我們的原住民,我覺得你打臉, |
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賴清德總統因為他已經把這個法律案已經公佈了你不只是在藐視立法院而且你打臉賴清德總統這樣子的一個狀態你還振振有詞立法行政是這樣子做的嗎院長你知道我也來自立法院 |
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我理解啊,而且雖然說你覺得現在這件事情你還很有道理,你不依照立法院的一個通過的法案去做,你還覺得很有道理。那當初我在這裡的施政報告就毫無意義啦,我的報告是這個,現在要我增加的所有其他的預算,我的施政報告無法執行了。 |
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我來這裡施政報告是憲法賦予我的潛力 |
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憲法有賦予立法院立法公算審查的權利,難道不是嗎?剛剛講說憲法明定沒有提出賦予的權利,你沒有提出賦予的權利,你還在這邊說三道四,這怎麼會是合理的情況? |
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立法院對於行政院所提預算案﹐不得為增加支出之提議。我們沒有增加啊﹐我們透過預算要你修改之後再算進來﹐這叫增加嗎?院長你們腦袋要清楚一點﹐立法院如果是增加預算﹐表示我們在審的過程我們主張增加﹐我們現在沒有增加﹐我們是透過你預算﹐你要修正之後再算進來﹐你現在一年你們提出來的預算當中 |
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謝謝政委員 |
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報告院會財政組織質詢已詢答完畢,休息10分鐘,休息之後進行教育及文化組織質詢,現在休息。 |
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發言會現在繼續開會,進行教育及文化組織質詢。現在請林委員配響質詢。好,有請卓院長跟我們的教育部政部長。卓院長,請配詢。 |
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鄭部長,是不是?委員好 |
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總院長目前先是個實事題現在全球都滿關心的就是說我們本來派前副總統前行政院院長陳建仁去參加這次IPAC的活動但是被拒絕了那我想請問一下院長那未來的打算怎麼樣怎麼樣推出一個合適的人選去參加IPAC呢 |
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張APEC領袖代表這個是總統跟總統府在作業行政院並沒有參與但是我看到相關的報導如果屬實我也覺得非常惋惜陳前總統陳前院長在 |
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那如果行政院可以推薦人選,那請問院長您會有推薦哪一位? |
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抱歉這是總統職權,行政院不宜推薦任何人,總統有任何的吩咐我們就會去執行。 |
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好,針對我們卓院長在10月6號特地來到基隆來勘災,那本席給予高度的肯定。不過呢,我這邊也必須跟卓院長報告一下,您特地來,然後您說要補助,您說要對於救災的補助。我這邊就覺得說,其實 |
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您講的話,似乎很多單位並沒有好好地把您說的話,把它納進去。 新聞委員指教例如說,您10月6日來,10月7日有一個直接的勘栽活動,在基隆市中山區青龍山的產業道路,在大德國中旁邊。 |
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當下國有財產局的第一線承辦人員當公務處處長跟我的秘書直接說院長來了說這邊會盡量補助那第一線人員居然回答沒有這個事我沒有聽說到 |
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我記得我們是到新豐街 |
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主持留他家的地方,看那個社區跟那條路,答應說當天晚上8點會通車,也是緊急的有通車了,那您說的那其他的地點,很抱歉,我沒有辦法把所有的人帶到所有的地方去,所以那個地點也許是財產署或是其他的單位接受委員或是議員的要求去現場看, |
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那他們要回來之後當然要統合整個經費的需求跟這個整個工程復原的先後順序再來做一項的處理我想給他們謹慎一點是好但是地方受到風災任何的這個傷害中央政府跟地方一定是通力合作來把它復原的 |
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因為我會這樣講的原因是我期待我們行政院的各部門不是只有院長講的話之後下面的人就應奉陽違其實不管是誰執政都是很糟糕的公務人員的狀況那這件事情其實我會希望因為基隆市院長去過基隆知道基隆市很多山坡地 |
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國有財產署高層下令 |
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你請委員放心,無論是透過交通部門跟到交通部或是國土署到內政部或是您說的國產署到財政部,他們都會往部裡面去綜合整理所有地方報上來的需要一起合作協助的地方,那我們就會按部就班按程序來處理。我會特別請財政部再特別注意一下當天會刊的現場狀況,那事後跟委員做詳細的說明。 |
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好,謝謝院長。 院長,那我是為什麼特地請我們鎮部長過來的原因,就是因為說,其實風災所影響的不是只有民宅還有道路而已。對於學校,尤其是說,其實院長上,院長對基隆蠻了解的。基隆多山,然後基隆很多,基本上所有的學校不是靠著山壁,就是在山上。那這次風災是基隆史上雨量最大的風。 |
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李卓人議員 |
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因為我知道有哪些地方看起來沒事可是以前已經出過事的地方它附近的所有的區域也有可能會發生災害而且這種災害不是只有大雨來的時候會崩塌像說在那個曹慶那邊院長一定有介紹報告 |
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那為什麼把這些事情拿出來呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
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我這邊有一些報告這邊就是說其實基隆市這次的在學校上面的風災非常嚴重那我知道說院長10月12號一到高雄就直接請國請國教署撥了800萬給受災的這些學校不過基隆我也必須幫基隆請院因為基隆這一次現在目前有估計到學校受災的地方就高達6200萬 |
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那我也直接問過市政府他們目前的教育處跟災害補償金他們能夠不用多少他們跟我報告說差不多6200萬只有他們可以負擔到10%到15%其他真的付不出來 |
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那也是因為這個原因所以說他們跟我講說委員如果沒有錢的話我們就只好把這些設施暫時性的把它封起來那讓學校保持安全可是學生的秀校審議就會受損害到所以我這邊有兩份資料我想請拿給我們的部長跟我們的院長來請說幫基隆人請益請你們幫幫忙這些事情 |
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好的跟委員報告當天我不僅到基隆我到瑞芳的瑞芳高宮那上個禮拜我到高雄的前鎮國小區我想我們都是最關心第一個是住家的淹水再來就是學校的破壞 |
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部長這邊已經有手上有資料,現在他已經有11所基隆市的學校受損,提出了一些需求,如果我們請部長稍微說明一下。謝謝林委員。部長不好意思,我這邊特地提一個啦,你看到我給你的資料,這第58項德和國小,那邊的受災其實相當相當相當相當嚴重。 |
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那邊是整塊整個大樓基本上已經被土石流淹沒其實這整個預算裡面最貴的是德和國小這邊這邊不好意思基隆市真的浮不出來所以說這邊尤其是這一塊那我請中央單位請部長院長多多幫忙這個是昨天才照出來的實況那這個如果說無法修好的話德和國小我們就只能把它封起來 |
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右邊這張圖昨天才照出來的還是這個樣子對沒辦法因為這怎麼清呢這4千上面已經被寫得很清楚4千多萬光這一筆其他的1千多萬其他的還可以說慢慢大家基隆市我們大家來也需要中央補助可是這一筆所以我剛剛為什麼講說地下水文的破壞 |
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其實對於基隆市是有潛在致命性的傷害但是我們不可能在沒有災害發生之前直接去做監測這筆費用太貴我很清楚因為我之前問過光一個山頭就要兩三億但是至少發生災害了我們至少把他們的受教權把他們學生的權益把它一起幫他們恢復回來好不好 |
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那這個現在學生的上課還是相當其實這是一棟大樓可是其實總共三到四棟大樓不過一棟大樓已經完全被淹過去現在只能靠剩下的三棟大樓來去支撐如果可以的話甚至說我下次辦會一看請教育部也派人來安排一下時間跟相關可以馬上到基隆重要的毀損嚴重的幾個學校看一看能夠適時的、急速的這樣幫大家來完成 |
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這個我們要列為必要的優先謝謝委員關心我想我們會後我們下午就請國教署馬上同仁這個負責同仁到前往去這個德國小立集這個來勘查然後請專家看怎麼樣來協助 |
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的很多是地方政府也要出來協助他們他們很樂意他們很樂意這是地方政府主動跟我講說這比太大一般來講風災的整個整個remedy整個所謂的急救款拿不起到八到九百萬這是六千多萬整個加起來針對我只是針對說教育教育部學校方面以前差不多八百萬到九百萬我願意協助你居間把地方政府請出來那教育部來看看那地方政府還有多少的災損金可以用那其他的部分 |
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應急的部分我們會來處理。好,謝謝。再來其實我要問的跟方針比較嚴格講起來這個也不能講不嚴肅只是我必須請教說院長跟我們的那個政部長因為現在體育署未來要變成體育發展部、運動發展部現在在我們的教育部裡面但是我很好奇就是說 |
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6985.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
到底為什麼要去做這個運動發展部我們的目標到底是什麼因為很實際的我想全國喜歡運動的人都想問這個問題我們這個運動發展部所建立的原因是為了在國際賽事上拿金牌幫我們國人增加榮譽感認同感還是是針對說這個運動產業在臺灣已經有可能發展還是 |
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議員你剛剛說的齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
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都是沒有還是都是第一個我要強調他不是一個升格的問題他是一個全新的運動部他裡面最重要的三項精神第一個就是推展全民運動第二個是國際競技第三個是運動產業當然還有其他啦我說最重要的三項那這三項會變成三支柱子支撐全新的一個運動部 |
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那這個就很尷尬了因為這三個老實講都很難做得到啊因為老實說如果你是要國際賽事的話你要在國際賽事拿名你的經費你要怎麼樣去依註如果說針對我其實有第一個要問因為我自己本身是基隆SBL的領隊那現在籃球的事情老得紛紛擾擾我想請問一下院長跟部長你們自己有從事運動嗎有打運動嗎 |
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7086.284 |
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任何運動都可以去參與有沒有自己喜歡打的?像我是籃球迷我高中大學都是打校的隊請問你們是有這麼現在我現在昨天還在練球跟委員報告我大概平常現在因為這一個考量這一個年紀關係我現在打網球大概就是桌球桌球大概是 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
7088.075 |
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7108.385 |
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這就是我們現在尷尬的地方就是說我們現在講的很多運動有關這個賽事甚至想要把職業化產業化賽事那全部都是大型運動都不是one on one請問你知道有乒乓球的世界是有乒乓球的職業職業選手嗎?國內的?國內有很多好手對啊國內有沒有像職業青雙球的賽事? |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
7114.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
7115.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
那就是另外一個問題請問運動為什麼要提升全民運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
7144.384 |
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7171.905 |
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這是健康的問題嗎?那就糟糕了,因為運動的本質不是只為了健康啊。運動的本質是為了紀律性、團大精神跟其他的。這就是我說我們現在開始...我問你這是一個全新的運動部。院長,我們不是在辯論,我只是在講說因為我自己打籃球,而且我自己打籃球打得很深。所以說運動發展部這件事情出來的時候,大家看好的人 |
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不容易,尤其是從事運動的人,因為在這個我們這個布出來之後,在這裡面他在演什麼角色,會變得非常重要。我們會全力來支持,謝謝。好,謝謝林委員。好,謝謝左委員長。下一位我們請麥玉珍委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
7213.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
7238.875 |
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主席主席有請卓院長來請卓院長備詢會議委員好院長好想要請教院長一下你知道人民會有族群委員嗎?是你知道?是 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
7240.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
7269.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
好 所以你知道的話只要請教你一下 研民會每年編列2224萬7千元高額預算 僱用16個委員一人每年的薪水高達135萬請教一下研委會的族群委員服務項目是什麼 還有他們的學金率是什麼 我們院長知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
7287.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
朱全偉他應該是代表各個不同的原住民族朋友,來這裡討論特別或是整體相關的跟原住民族朋友的權益上的問題,我想這個是一個長年以來的一個組織。 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
7288.72 |
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7312.668 |
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這個就是不知道啦所以政府用人就是應該不分黨派啦不知道說他們的血清你講的都是空放的所以特別是針對族群委員族群的平均比較重要不是黨派的問題族群委員裡面一年135萬的高薪擔任的職責標準是什麼 |
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7313.816 |
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7326.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
還有說還是只有政黨唯一的標準用人嗎?這個部分我們想要知道。我剛剛說過他應該是著重在族群的平均各個族群的照顧,絕對不是政黨的考量。 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
7328.498 |
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7353.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
但是呢,我們的原委會的主委在10月9日內政委員會質詢的此後詢答回復我們本黨黃國昌委員,承認這份族群委員名單不是他提的。請問院長對此名單有無指示,有哪一些是民進黨拿來酬庸的對象? |
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7354.6 |
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7365.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
原民會提來的名單當然要經過內部他們一個標準去審核甚至通過各個族群的推薦所以這個都是標準符合資格 |
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中堂順過來之後,我會尊重原民會裡面的調整的名單出來,因為說真的,我一個一個也沒有辦法比原民會的主委或是其他原民會裡面更熟,我真的不能比他更熟。所以問你有沒有指示,還是猶豫的人,對,如果是不是族群委員,不是酬庸的工具,到底 |
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是幾個委員是由誰提的還有他們的研究名對研究名有什麼貢獻所以請卓院長在一周內可以提供我書面嗎我可以請原民會跟委員說明給我書面回覆好吧我請原民會來回覆委員 |
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7410.68 |
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| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
再來再請教門院長,因為這個我也是覺得很疑惑,因為在協商又在就是赤河解放,所以我要請教一下為什麼立法院把總預算退回要求行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
7428.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
7432.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
總預算重新編列嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
7432.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
7438.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
為什麼各部會不按照立法院三讀通過的法案編列預算? |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
7438.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
7447.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
各部會不願意編列還是說行政院院長你有指令各部會不能依法編列預算? |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
7449.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
7476.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
委員我們回憶一下上禮拜我們都吃過一頓午餐你很清楚我沒有聽到你的回應啊都是我的夢我的講我都很注意聽委員的話我們都受你感動我講的話你都沒有聽有你答應我我當然會聽但是針對這一塊是全國的人的注意針對新住民你對我們的照顧我們很感受到後續的發展我說那一天我們在那邊就是啟動一個很好的開始我也很欣慰看到聽到 |
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7477.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
7497.606 |
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大院最近可能展開草野協商,草野協商我也聽到,所以我才再問你一次,那一天我有問,但是我沒有回應。 那我希望很多的事情我們放在草野協商裡面去談。 是,好,所以我希望,因為我們聽到的是各部會,他說他們就是沒有編,所以我才問,再問一次。 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
7523.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
所以希望卓院長和我們的團隊撥通,不要說就是卓院長說一套,他們做一套,這樣子的話,如果認為就是進法補助對這個就是浪費公帑的話,就不要花一千多萬去酬庸就是我們剛才的力猶猶的那個原住民的朋友。 |
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7541.141 |
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三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、 |
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三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
7569.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
7593.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我害怕最後有沒有可能因為沒有辦法達成兩院的共識就害我們的卓院長為了大家就是負責要下台這都是大家害的因為我們院長想要去做但是各個部會不願意編這樣的話就害了我們的卓院長我沒有不願意編的委員我有編4萬你聽到嗎那天我有想啊我沒有編4萬對不對 |
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7599.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7626.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
你沒有總預算回去沒有編,如果有編的話就不用再協商了。 我有編4萬阿,我都注意聽你的話你都沒有聽,我們對競馬補償有編4萬,本來3萬我們現在有編4萬。 如果是院長要編照我們退回的總預算,這樣子的話我們協商就會圓滿。我那天有講說大事化小事,小事化無事,大家圓滿。 協商就是我注意聽你的話,你要注意聽我的話。 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
7627.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7631.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我明明那天說我編了4萬可是外黨的黃委員說我一毛不編你應該去問他啊為什麼他的聽到話叫做一毛不編啊這顯然是一個錯誤的答覆不要避重就輕好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
7652.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7669.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
問我們的教育部在2020年的時候因為是教文所以我們先不討論那個所以網路霸凌通報顯示因為兩岸關係造成就是族群的對立 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
7669.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
7688.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
新住民子女在學校也受到歧視和霸凌的案件很多,尤其是我們的陸珮還有就是她的子女,因為受到很大的傷害,大家都要嫁來台灣了,大家都在罵她說因為兩岸的關係,很多原因就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
7689.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
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外乎就是刻板印象導致這樣子的霸凌但是我們的孩子都是我們心目中的寶貝不只是族群的歧視繼續發生還有影響到不是個人還有家庭更影響到社會的問題所以現在呢我們要想要討論一下研議一下如何讓我們的校園減少肢體的衝突還有語言的歧視 |
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請部長答覆 |
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謝謝委員關心這個校園霸凌的問題我想怎麼樣提供一個安全友善的校園環境確實是一直學校辦學要努力這一個努力的一個方向是的,但是霸凌一直在增加所以我們才要請教我們要怎麼處理我們現在不僅就是說學校也希望家庭跟社會一起來共同營造一個這樣的一個 |
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主席 |
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對,所以關於網路霸凌,我們每一個人就是從幼稚園就要接觸到3C產品 |
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網路非常發達,但是學生普遍也是在用社群拖文,所以就造成網路也有語言霸凌,延伸到網路去,尤其是學生。 所以我們要如何教導學生使用正確的網路,還有如何辨識不實的招搖,危害學生,有的人就是因為他們的人身安全。 |
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所以沒辦法遭到網路霸凌也有人去自殺這個部分也造成我們的學生身心靈的陰影。 行政院如果有政策的具體的方式解決 |
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這個才是真的,不是只是做做凡,這是表面而已,真的沒大大。 關起輔導,然後有一些同理心,包括社會情緒的一些學習,能夠理解同學之間彼此的一些 |
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有很多教育部長您說有很多但是呢就是宣傳不夠 |
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因為我們的小孩都是我們媽媽心目中的寶貝不管是誰生的小孩希望我們的行政官員要有同理心 |
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因為現在要生的孩子沒人沒借,所以要保護得要緊,所以呢我們希望我們行政院一定要重視霸凌這個議題,因為一直在掙扎,你宣傳不夠,你的預防不夠才會增加,所以讓我們一同來如何去保護我們這群寶貝,這群小孩好不好。 |
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對還有就是因為也是延伸就是網路現在AI交易也是世界的氣勢對不對所以也是科技的進步的象徵所以我們也非常的支持我們就是交易就是要越來越發展越來比別的國家更好對不對但是呢 |
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我們台灣的發展AI同時我們也需要注意AI帶來的風險因為我們現在的倫理教育道德教育在我們的學校裡面少於也少所以這個部分我們一定要讓我們小孩了解來去應用這個是我們很注重的所以教育部就是要積極來 |
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總統委員報告 |
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規範有沒有明確讓大家更了解。謝謝委員提醒不過確實委員所關心的也是我們現在正在做的一個方向跟委員報告我們在這一學期9月開學前對這個AI怎麼樣使用數位這一個能夠學習這一個學 |
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因為推動AI是很好,但是沒有先行設想學生為了 |
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所以希望因為根據聯合國教育 |
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教文組織2021年也是在AI倫理的建議書明確指出AI危險存在於越來越多性別及種族的偏見,所以對隱私尊嚴和機構的組織帶來最大的危險,所以如何解決AI來帶來的危險,所以這個部分我們是 |
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謝謝委員關心,也利用這個機會跟委員報告,我們今年9月上路的25個學校大學的AI課程聯盟有4個學層,每個學層5門課,其中有一門就是AI倫理。 |
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很好,所以呢這個方面要多推動,所以我們推動教育之前應該拒絕偏見歧視,防止犯罪,還有提高學習動機等於優先的考量。 |
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好,謝謝麥委員下一位我們請張家俊委員質詢 |
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副院長我想請卓院長請卓院長備詢卓院長你辛苦啦從早上到現在不會張委員好謝謝不斷電喔那我想要就是請教卓院長你瞭不瞭解108課綱108課綱到現在已經實施5年了假設 |
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您了解的話,100分你覺得目前大概是可以得到幾分呢?我不方便在這邊直接打分數,但是我覺得教育是一直要翻新創新的,我們應該融入更多的元素在裡面,那已經執行下來,所以我們往後會繼續討論新的發展課綱。 |
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是,所以本席想要給院長一些建議,目前有一個數據,我不曉得院長知不知道,108課綱實施到現在5年多,文理補習班增加了966家,院長你知道現在全國的補習班大概有幾家嗎?應該 |
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一萬七千五百五十二家那你知道全台灣現在超商有幾家嗎?那更多啊 |
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是不是要請部長一起來回答這個問題? |
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但是我們改變的教育制度就是大家望子成龍望女成鳳這是父母共同的心願但希望有多元的發展讓他隨他的興趣性向能夠去做多元的發展我相信在座有孩子的可能也有當阿公阿嬤的大家都很關心孩子的教育所以呢這就很不能理解說現在你看這個數據啊 |
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外語補習班本來是在108課綱上路之前到現在已經少了500家然後記憶類的補習班少了200家唯獨文理類的補習班增加了到966家部長您知道原因嗎我想現在確實每一個小孩子都是每一個家庭的寶 |
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但是您身為教育部長您不覺得 |
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我想108課綱它的整個大方向基本上到現在也是跟WEF世界經濟論壇所要培養的未來產業跟未來的人才想像的圖像 |
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是相某合的。那學校在這個部分,確實跟委員報告,跟委員報告說,像譬如說一齡報告課堪,我們對高中子的學生希望他有更多的這個選修的課,那我們的老師在過去的一個專業,這個本席也支持,就是說希望學生的學習的廣度跟深度, |
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但是您希望的增加它的廣度增加它的深度可是帶來的問題就是家長對於學生學習的內容有不確定所以它造成了家長恐慌會不會覺得說我如果不送去補習班的話我會不會沒有學到我想我們現在整個團隊在做的這個努力就像剛才我跟委員報告已經有260起所學校跟大學合作大學透過這個 |
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本席都不反對,我都覺得說應該是在朝好的方向在前進,但是本席現在的意思是在提醒你。 |
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再提醒你說有問題的地方你一定要去重視否則他目前文藝補習班增加這麼多跟我們的教育理念是背道而馳的啊而且我現在不是在跟你講高中我在跟你講的還有一個奇怪的數據招收國小生的補習班在這966家裡面的61.88% |
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理論上升國中是不需要考試的, 為什麼反而是國小補習班最多呢? |
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我現在在跟你講的是文理補習班 |
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謝謝委員提醒 這我想會後我來更進一步來瞭解 |
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那當然還有下個禮拜教育文化委員會要辦一個3C產品的公聽會那我認為呢教育部作為主管機關不能沒有立場要想一個對多數學生好又讓老師可以好好管教的辦法這一點本席也在這裡提 |
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謝謝委員提醒事實上對3C的使用我們已經看到很多國際的一些研究的一些報告他會對青少年產生一些比較多的壓力跟情緒上的所以本席希望就是在公聽會之前是不是能夠有相對應的一些資料可以讓我們參考然後可以來研究然後發表意見那接下來本席要再問的一個問題其實是教育 |
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更根本的問題因為你要有好的教育你必須要有好的老師院長我跟您報告今年最大的問題是什麼教師荒 |
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沒有老師啊 大家都不願意去當老師這是我們國家要面臨的重大國家發展的問題沒有人願意去當老師 那我們還怎麼談教育呢我們現在談的什麼教育升級要友善 然後要讓小朋友能夠有更好的教育環境 這變成是一個空談啊 |
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要跟委員報告這一個裡邊也要拜託委員因為施肢因為我們現在的培育的施肢量部長我可不可以也請院長針對這個教師荒可以提出您的看法跟建議嗎?您有察覺到有這個問題嗎?這個一個連鎖性的問題就是我們在少子化之後學生減少了 |
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所以對教師的需求在各個地方呈現出來不同的需求狀態讓教師想要從事這個行業的人他變成他沒有辦法在一個穩定的未來的工作上面他去做一些 |
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其實部長你真應該感謝院長給你這麼大的信任其實我想這個問題是剛剛院長講的真的是一個連鎖性的問題這個問題非常多面向第一就是剛剛我們講的108課綱他備課多資源少 |
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所以很多人不願意當老師。 第二是加幾滴又耗費心力,沒有這個優厚的條件。 然後第三是行政工作太繁雜了,偏離了教學專業。 第四,性平生疏平傳,老師是非常疲於奔命的。 老師,校長告訴我,他說現在老師不是感覺不像在教書都在辦案。 |
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一下子要辦性平案一下子要辦霸凌案等等所以第五就是我講的校園職場霸凌職場不友善等其實教師歡跟我們多繳少領延後退的年改制度也非常的有關係包括說無處適從的教育政策跟不夠優厚的調薪政策若不改變明年我們一樣招不夠老師部長你有沒有一個具體的辦法 |
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公務員報告我想怎麼樣提供老師一個更好的一個教學環境一直都是我們在努力的包含行政的減量事實上教育部這些年來也做了相當多的努力問題是行政減量就沒有看到成效啊教育部在減少行政減量的時候也沒有獲得充分的支持啊心力消遂所以反而地方也在增量 |
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導師、特教師應該提高佳績,增加投入的人力,您同意嗎? |
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謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝院長。所以呢,我本席在這裡,其實呢,我當然很重視學生的受教權,但是我們同時也要重視老師的榮譽感。就是說,他現在當老師已經不像以前那麼受尊重,然後這個待遇又這麼差,然後工作又這麼的繁雜。 |
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好的,謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
市長我們在整個制度上30年的一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
請委員相信我,我相信。 |
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8866.946 |
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8867.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
老舊校舍改善問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
就是,院長看一下,這是我們雲林縣非常多的50年以上的老舊校舍都已經鋼筋外漏、樑柱嚴重歸裂、瓦舍雨遮都隨時有可能掉落的危險。那院長你覺得這種情況是不是有影響到學生上學的安全呢?當然是有。 |
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是吧,真的非常危急,你可以想像說假設是在上學的時候,在這樣子的一個建築物裡面上學,發生地震怎麼辦?我們不允許這樣的危險發生在校園。是,所以本席要特別拜託院長,現在目前雲林縣至少還有45棟這樣子的教學樓,那扣除不常使用的, |
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8932.145 |
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8960.552 |
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還有26棟這26棟呢假設都要拆除重建的話至少要花3、40億但是呢雲林縣今年只有分到1.4億1.4億代表說不要說45棟都要改26棟最常使用目前平凡在使用的要改的話要整個修下完成要30年 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8962.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8965.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
院長您覺得會不會太久了?從98年到111年我們編了1300多億已經加強補強了一六千多棟 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8974.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
9000.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
那我們覺得這個還是不夠所以在114年到118年也持續編了350億會在這幾個年度當中來實施我們希望能夠有效但是我還是認為要全面這樣整修350億還是不夠我還想透過其他的方式是藉用民間的力量來來完成看能不能這一點要特別拜託院長也邀請院長到我們雲林來看一下真的非常的危險老舊少社 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
9001.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
9025.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
包括說我們調閱了氣象局的這個地震顯示圖, 預估30年內會發生6級以上的大地震區域, 除了花東以外,最有可能的就是雲嘉區。 所以地震如果假設在這個老舊校舍的這個區域密集發生的話, 真的非常的危險,所以呢每年你們今年只編了37.5億要改善這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
9027.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
9052.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
老舊校舍絕對是不足的,而且雲林縣只有分配到1.4億,真的是太少了,是不是請院長可以加碼,去補足這個加快這個改善的速度。我們明年度開始的350億就是希望地方能夠提出最強烈的需求,我們按照它的危險程度能夠依序來進行,來保障師生學童的安全。 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
9052.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
9057.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我們最近會通過行政院的院會提出一個完整的草案來送交大院來審理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
9075.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
9076.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
好,謝謝謝謝張委員,謝謝卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
9102.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
9117.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽喜的是臺東縣民眾服務社的好朋友我們在此表達歡迎,謝謝下一位我們請葛如君委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
9149.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
9176.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
好,謝謝主席,有請行政院卓榮泰院長卓院長請備詢各位好,您辛苦了您比較辛苦,大家都辛苦我習慣我們副院長、主席也很辛苦,大家都非常辛苦科技不分藍綠,所有的人也都非常關注科技的發展今年9月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
9177.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
9197.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
抱歉,行政院院長召開經濟發展委員會,您提出了主權AI,因為不分藍綠白,所以我把您放在第一頁。那我是深感認同,本席深感認同,但想請教一下院長,您認為要實現主權AI政府的首要任務到底是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
9198.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
9222.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我不僅提出主權AI我還提出了民主AI就是AI不能侵害人權那主權AI大家說是要台灣的元素我們在地的文化所以政府一定要想辦法先建立一個相當大的資料庫讓所有的台灣元素進到裡面來共同學習之後才能反映台灣真正的國情跟民情所以要發展主權AI不外乎就是資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
9222.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
9237.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
那我們的政府在112年4月正式啟動臺德可信任深層式AI對話語情的計畫。 想請問一下院長您是否認同除了涉及國家機密的資料政府部門應該帶頭向臺德計畫開放資料作為訓練文本使用? |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
9244.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
9245.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
您是否認同? |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
9245.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
9246.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
您剛剛已經提了啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
9246.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
9259.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
您的答案是資料啊!沒有台灣元素的資料怎麼會有台灣的主權AI?是不是願意開放資料帶頭給他們嘛? |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
9259.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
9269.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
你沒有資料訓練怎麼會有本土元素呢?剛開始開始我們會採取比較保守一點的,讓他建立一個基本的能力之後,再有對更多的資訊進來,在現在還在這個過程。 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
9271.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9301.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
主學AI已經沒有保守的空間跟機會了我直接問院長您知道目前各部會加總起來向台德開放資料的比例大概有多少嗎?我們在政府開放資料的部分只要不牽涉到人權的議題很好嘛都盡量開放嘛帶頭開放嘛我們直接幫你查了台德官網目前光是列席的六個部會裡面就有兩個是沒有列在上面向台德開放資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
9301.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9314.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
分別是和能安全委員會以及國立故宮博物院當然故宮最近有跟wikipedia有跟文化部做釋出資料的部分但是為什麼沒有列在台德資料合作單位上面呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
9314.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9317.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
台德作為請全國之力開發的這個模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9318.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9345.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
院長一聲下令要做主權AI,這個資料沒有提供完整的話,我們怎麼有辦法主權AI呢?至少應該要由政府部會帶頭,全面向台德,還有很多其他像民間,像台灣LLM也做得很好,去提供這些資料,本地的資料,我們才能夠踏出主權AI的第一步。院長,為什麼我們這麼急切?同樣是亞洲國家,面臨語料相對稀少的困境,大家都是一樣的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9346.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9369.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
日本是請全國智力要開發的這個模型,參數量要達到1000億。 這個參數量跟資料量其實是有關聯的。 結果我們台德開發今年4月市租的是80億, 頂多還沒有辦法開放的是130億。 我們到底要怎麼去跟人家一起來競賽,一起來比賽,一起來競爭呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9369.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9370.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
政府曾經多次強調, |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
9372.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9389.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
臺德的訓練資料都有確保合法取得版權。 但是呢,其實臺德要取得這些語料不外乎兩種方式。 第一種,我們訂定一個參數的目標,依照所需的資料量逐年編列預算來購買合法的資料。 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9390.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9418.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
二、參考鄰國日本修正著作權法,讓大於人模型可以大以訓練。 請教院長,臺德或者我們臺灣在開發主權AI資料取得上,到底要採用哪一種方式?報告委員,那個參數的數目不是跟資料量、訓練資料有關,而是跟模型的複雜度有關。那至於這個資料的...你的資料量如果不夠的話,你模型複雜得起來嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
9420.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9444.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
模型複雜跟訓練資料當然是會搭配啦所以到底有沒有關嘛你不要在這裡那個沒有關真的是沒有關所以我就算很少的資料我也可以讓參數很複雜你確定喔要確喔當然你複雜的模型需要用更多的資料沒關係我們到底要採用哪一種方式啊我這題其實是要問院長啦院長我們到底是要編預算還是要開放還是要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9445.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9465.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我還是跟委員承認首先我們都看到我們在軟體上的不足我們在硬體的製造上面是可以領先的但是軟體的不足所以我們在急步的追趕那急步追趕總要有一個開始那現在是正在開始的過程當中我們先建立一個基本的東西出來的時候我認為第一個要先入門 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9466.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9467.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9488.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9506.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
大大的不足,我承認大大的不足,但是我說這是一個起步。報告委員,我們在台者的應用推廣的部分有編列預算在其他的部分,希望委員能夠支持。那是有編資料購買的預算嗎?有,如果需要授權的部分,我們會編的多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9509.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9530.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
總數我告訴你了主委你回去看你自己也找不到啦齁這樣子我們沒有辦法審預算我們來看一下齁接下來我相信都就說起步嘛齁我覺得我們說不要講說台灣世界中心的時候就喊很大聲啦然後呢我們要編預算要做事的時候就說我們還在起步齁但是行政院還是有做事我們也是與鼓勵啦你們有說要提出什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9531.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9542.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
促進資料創新利用發展條例請問院長草案的大致方向有沒有要參考日本模式來開放著作權修改一些相關的法令跟AI訓練使用有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9545.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9564.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我們現在正在進行當中,我們會朝這個方向努力。院長,我們上一次總質詢,步步有AI是您喊出來的,結果我們今天發現步步正AI,要喊AI大家都喊得很大聲,結果要規劃計畫的時候每個人都說這是誰的問題,誰的問題,我們等一下來看,如果我們沒有完整的資料, |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9564.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9569.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
我們的語言模型就是營養不良,這會牽涉到什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9569.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9586.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
韌性的問題,這是文化的韌性。我希望部長、院長,我希望院長能夠給一個期限,明確的期限,何時能夠著手處理AI訓練資料的版權問題。給一個期限,你說要追趕我們總要有期限嘛,追趕100年也是不追趕啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9587.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9615.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
跟委員說明我覺得一步來我們從首長、副首長到30機關的首長我們都訓練了他們進入到AI情境的這個過程他們要訓練我同意但是院長的方針要出來我能不能給一個6個月的期限在AI資料版權的部分提供一個完整的戰略方案一定會有進展但進展的程度是不是成如委員所需要的所期待的我們來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9620.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9631.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
資金,這已經不是文化任性的問題,是國家任性、經濟任性的問題。 請問一下院長知道發展主權AI高度相關的精創台灣方案預算規模是多少嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9633.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9659.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我們這個方案當初規劃是10年3000億但是我們第一年今年的這個預算是編列大概155億那明年會成長到183億因為每年都會有新的案子會進來所以會逐年提升到每年300億院長我先問您,您覺得這樣的預算規模夠不夠啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9659.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9666.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
有人預估,2027年要到千億美元,2025、26可能要到百億美元。 日本是我們的12倍,你覺得夠不夠啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9667.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9693.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
我們只能先衡量國家財政的狀況做這樣階段性的編列當中如果有任何的突發或者需求國家財政允許我們當然有計畫是可以再調整但目前我們只能做這樣的編列現在確實AI突發的狀況很多所以我們現在總預算還有修改的機會希望院長可以好好修改一下那個主委您稍等今天我要跟院長好好交流一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9694.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9721.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
您的部會提出來的相關的數字您自己要非常的清楚我們要有一個算力的預估規劃我們才能夠抓出預算結果呢我們光看算力先從100PF到116PF然後說2027年要280要480我告訴院長啊2027年如果是480PF連2024年的日本都趕不上你還說要什麼亞洲前三再來我們看資金啦齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9722.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9746.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我們的資金預算呢一遍再遍我老實講啊這一本36頁1331的預算主委我直接在質詢的時候他跟我說沒有看過然後呢他還說行政院的這個這個方案僅供參考指示方案我們還能夠相信您要打造主權AI的決心嗎如果光喊出10年3105號什麼都不用做 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9746.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9763.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
報告委員我不是說僅供參考,因為方案之後要計劃,我們要細究的時候你說只是方案啊?不是不是,我們編預算一定有計劃。根本就是在開一個空頭支票給我們,你開出來我們就要付錢嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9764.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9780.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我們預算一定要跟隨計畫執行的方案。你到現在還是在講空話,你知道這是空的嗎?你是不是又要再追加?你追加可以啊,講清楚啊。方案是政府的願景,我們未來推動的方向。你已經寫出來是多少錢,就是多少錢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9781.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9798.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
我跟院長交流一下我理解您多次公開表示對總預算被退回表示遺憾但是您所率領的內閣官員帶頭藐視行政院所核定的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9799.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9810.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
也完全不尊重立法院監督預算的職權。光是國科會主委對外談論114年精創計畫。結果呢?我們這個剛剛都看過了。他先講了200億。再來呢?上週國科會的業務報告寫183億。今天在現場給我丟出一個新的數字155億。結果呢?我們要資料出來是多少?90.49億。是國科會的。我先講。你讓我講清楚。 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9828.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9833.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我們覺得非常離譜,因為為什麼你們會有各種數字不同? |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9833.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9837.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我們各部會編這個預算是隨著各部會施政的目的他名稱可能會調整但是都在我們的方案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
9860.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9882.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
10票上面就是要寫清楚你到底要做什麼事預算法第39條分年列出來的計畫就是要有計畫每一年的預算有多少你都要列得很清楚啊我們計畫書裡面都會有列那今年的預算155億明年是183億因為我目標200億但是在行政院審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
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你現在要變為183啊!你跟他說155啊!那是今年的預算啊!明年的變成是183啊!所以183就是183,又不會再變了?不會變了!你們裡面都找出來,等一下,那院長我要告訴你,這183億裡面是7個部會的預算。 |
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為什麼是國科會的組委來講183呢?為什麼是國科會的組委來講200呢?那是不是每一個部會都把其他部會預算換進去啊?因為科技預算是國科會負責編列的。好嘛,你看嘛,你到底是國科會還是國發會,你們到底誰講什麼啊?國科會編列科技預算。國科會編列科技預算,那成效是不是應該要國科會來承擔啊?各部會一起承擔。 |
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院長你聽到了齁,科技的預算國科會來編列,然後責任其他部會來承擔,那是你讓我部會首長嗎?報告委員,這個國科會他本身也是吳主委,他本身也是政委,他就有統合各部會的職責跟責任,所以這個他講的也沒錯,各部會在執行之後還是要政委來做一個統合。 |
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所以院長您的角色很重要我要先講從今年9月您指出AI產業很重要以後有國科會、數發部、經濟部、國發會結果呢我們光要講結果的時候4年又要推動20萬名算力要提升全球前三結果呢這個 |
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大家互相推諉講到AI人人都要分一點預算我們剛看到7個部會結果呢講到KPI的時候每個人都說是別人的責任今天院長你可不可以在這裡給本席一個給所有全國人民一個明確的答案究竟五大信賴產業中的AI產業是哪一個部會主導的主導兼主責啊你預算是預算 |
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你剛剛講的也有經濟部也有其他的部會都有但是整個科技預算科技預算的整合就是在國科會 |
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所以我們會協助所有的部會那你覺得這樣子分錢的是一個結果大家都落跑這是對的預算分配的方法嗎?行政院的組織就是國防部主委本身是政務委員政務委員就要負責我丟一題給院長啦我丟一題給院長你就會發現一個很微妙的地方我們問了所有的部會4年20萬AA人才 |
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到底明年要培育出多少AI人才?每一個部會,你剛剛講了嘛,四個部會要共同補助KPI嘛,要有結果嘛。結果明年要多少人?他有國外的進來的學生的人才,有國內培養,這整個做起來是12萬、12萬跟8萬。每一個人都在逃啦齁,不要步步有AI結果是步步蹭AI啦。要院長已經把主權AI綁在一起了,要發揮領導統一,真正做出主權AI。我當然負最後的責任。 |
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謝謝葛委員、謝謝卓院長。 抱怨會現在在議場二樓旁聽喜的是南投市光榮里社區發展協會的好朋友,謝謝你們。我們在此歡迎你們到立法院參訪。下一位我們請范雲委員質詢。 |
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謝謝副院長,有請院長 |
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我們有委員問到教師荒我很謝謝他引用我記者會所講的五個原因我當時辦這個記者會其實第一個是跟教育部對話因為教育部在去年發生的時候說是過渡期說是代理教師荒可是其實我的研究發現不是代理教師荒我們再看下一頁 |
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因為如果是代理教師荒的話不會去年也缺人結果今年還是缺因為當時我們潘部長講說是過渡期因為我們為代理教師已經做了相當多的政策改變那我們部長應該了解因為當時也是我非常關注代理教師的同工不同酬的問題 |
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我拜託教育部幫我去跟縣市政府要來的資料,我們以臺北市為例,這個左邊是他們去年正式教師,你看到我圈起來的79,是他其實缺400多人,增到300多人,還缺79人正式教師。 |
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右邊是今年缺額更大他希望招400多人只招到200多人缺了183個正式教師那是因為正式教師缺不到人所以才會再去徵代理教師所以代理教師這個制度原本是因為有人懷孕或者照顧假的一個制度可是現在居然變成是在補正式教師資據說不只一年的不足 |
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那我跟國教署請教過幾次我發現國教署跟教育部沒有真的瞭解這個問題下一張是要給 |
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院長看的這個是我辦公室自己找出來的數字從你們的教育部的統計年報因為你沒有這個統計我們自己去算出來的我們看一一我們看這個連續幾年院長你可以看一下左邊這個圖的藍色的是有教師資格的就是考上有教師證的下面那個黃色是他過去三年內有來參與爭試的 |
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因為你有證照就好像護士一樣護理師有證照不代表他會來應徵嘛那黃色的是來應徵的你看到藍色其實逐年是上升的有越來越多人有這個教師證考上這個資格可是下面黃色你看他越來越少人在三年內來參與這個教師的徵事 |
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所以我們在看右邊這個圖我來算統計那教育部一直覺得說其實有教師資格的人很多我們一直在培訓可是你會發現從原本有4成的人3年內他會來爭取這個工作去應徵 |
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可是現在只剩下幾乎三分之一從4乘2掉到34%就是現在教育部居然沒有最新的資料只有到111年我的統計願意考教師的人只剩下三分之一有66%的他有失陪取得資格可是卻連去應聘都不願意這是我們現在遇到的最大的危機下一頁 |
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那呃那我也要跟院長報告這不是只是臺灣的問題哦那我看到陸續看到這些新聞那我今年暑假去教育最高最厲害的愛沙尼亞跟芬蘭哦披薩都是數一數二的哦他們也發生教師罷工哦教師荒的問題哦我們看一下從法國意大利日本哦三成以上的教師哦被認為是過勞死線那你看到美國 |
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英國居然政府還主張用居家工作彈性工時 吸引大家投入教師美國鬧教師荒 還有提到說要週休三日 是不是能夠讓有志之士願意投入 大家都知道教師非常重要 |
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那你可以看到全球我不知道原因也許是3C產品年輕世代越來越難教那也許是我們對教師的要求越來越多所以臺灣不是唯一面對這個的處境可是我們跟別的國家比我們現在有沒有找到解方真正找到問題 |
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我想看下一頁那臺灣的部分那如果一直認知是代理教師荒那就是教育部沒有看到那我們看到就是一些表面上的媒體的分析都還常是錯誤的那大家至少看到是年輕世代他們不願意投入這個行業那往下看下一頁 |
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這個就是剛剛有委員引用到的我這個五個分析那我結合幾大教師會跟教師公會在今年教師節那針對教師荒提出五個原因那今天我只跟院長討論前三個我提出的五個原因剛剛有委員他有用我這個講法第一個是108課綱給的全新備課資源少我認為108課綱方向是對的我們看到民主國家的方向是這樣 |
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可是呢108課綱對師資的要求跟能力是更高的那我們給的備課資源少第二個還是回到對老師來講各項加擠過低不符合他耗費心理他多開一門課其實他基本上沒有得到更好的待遇 |
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第三個是行政繁重偏離教學專業。 行政繁重有非常多的原因包含我後面幾個就是性平然後霸凌那教師疲累那還有校園職場不管是校長霸凌就主管霸凌甚至有老師認為家長都在霸凌那是一個很不友善的職場那這我今天就針對前三項想跟院長討論那也要跟院長報告 |
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教育部其實有在努力解決這個問題,那教育部的解方是什麼?第一個,下一個,下一頁。教育部針對行政繁重,目前的解方是針對兼任的行政教師提高加緊。可是我要覺得說,其實這是不足的。我待會兒會提到,我認為是人力。 |
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那針對108課綱教育部也一直在改善那目前教育部的解方是增加教師研習時數補助終點費那這個解方呢有沒有用我請院長看下一張我自己做的數字下一張 |
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我們看一下教育部說要補助終點費 院長你看上面那條線是基本工資基本工資這是19年來的資料 66元一小時漲到190塊是不是漲了超過三倍 那我們民進黨政府裡面漲特別多對不對可是我們如果把教師終點費19年來看從260塊漲到336元 欸只漲了29%欸 |
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那要跟院長報告,你說教師中年費本來就比去便利商店打工高嘛,不能這樣想,因為備課的時數沒有算進去,對不對?他教一門課,尤其是108課綱這種新課,背後不是只是教書那一小時欸, |
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所以對教師來講我會講這種加級長的方式事實上不符合耗費心理如果你跟第一線老師討論他就覺得那我教原來的那些就好了我為什麼要投入所以其實就目前教育部的解方我認為也並沒有真的能夠解決教師荒的問題尤其是對年輕世代那我們再看下一頁 |
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院長這是我非常認同的院長應該看得出來你知不知道這張是哪裡來的院長曉不曉得6到18歲多元均優教育環境成就每個兒少沒關係那個院長可能看的資料量太多了這是我們賴清德總統的政見教育方面的那我就不一項一項列入了我要跟院長報告我非常認同賴總統的教育政見 |
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只是它裡面少了一個東西,它每個政見都要教師做更多,包含歧視性平那些我都也很認同,可是針對如何達到這個多元均優的教育環境,以我當大學老師超過10年,師資是最核心的軟實力。 |
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如果教師荒,我們再好的政見沒有優質的老師投入。 年輕世代甚至有人寧願去當警消,離開教職,真的有這樣的例子。 因為他下班就是下班了,教師下班,家長可能還會打電話給他。 所以我想下一頁我要講的是好的教育,我們賴總統的政見很好,可是需要教師投入更多。 |
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每個都教師要投入更多可是我們卻沒有給教師實質更多的支持那我覺得這是目前很大的一個危機那再看下一頁所以我今天的這塊板子坐在這裡其實是要幫我們教育部跟教師向院長請命我覺得需要人事行政總處跟主計總處共同來 |
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提供資源為什麼需要提供資源以下是我的解方我不知道下一頁我不知道部長是不是認同我覺得你們現在那個解方還是不夠以我看到這個問題的本質那你們的統計分析也還沒有找出那當然這是可以討論的這我提出來的解方是不是最好的解方那但是我想你們目前對外的回應都還沒有真的了解問題 |
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第一個,我認為不能只給錢啊,你行政加擠給更多錢可是因為工作量真的太大了,就是說原本的人在分擔這麼多的工作,我覺得行政應該要專職化,就是人事行政總署、主計總署應該要給教育體系更多的人力,要增設行政專職人力,讓老師專心做老師。 |
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那第二個我認為108課綱那現在的方式可能會緩不濟急那剛剛其實有委員談到非常多人為什麼小學就去補習我的理解是因為我們有些城市私立中學被認為比較好他其實是為了要考私中那是擔心108課綱在公立學校的開出的課不夠多那這是我初步的觀察 |
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那我認為一個比較快速的解決方式當然我們師資這邊培育可以加強就是108課綱其實我們可以去增聘專業的師資不管是社區大學的講師或者各方面有各種專才的也許會是一個要求老師開課開更多的課我覺得會是一個那這也是需要錢 |
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第三個我想目前的教師的終點費調升方案跟教師的薪資真的不符合他們的據說付出我剛已經拿基本工資因為如果去超商下班就下班那可以漲這麼多那為什麼當老師只有漲19年房29% |
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那這三個解方真的不是教育部可以單獨完成的,都需要院長支持,人事行政總署跟主計總署一起來。那院長是不是可以承諾說,協助人跟錢呢,幫助教育部真正解決這個教師荒的問題,那讓我們賴總統很好的教育政見真的可以好好的落實呢? |
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主席 |
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好謝謝委員在臺灣的社會教師應該本來是一個穩定受尊重而且有成就感的工作但是經過這樣的變化之後他變成一個行政外務壓力大而且不友善的職場環境甚至於呢他因為學習方式的改變也改變了師生之間的關係這個是現實社會那教育的預算雖然不是憲法的明文規定但是我們編列在百分之 |
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反正23這個數字是一直長年在達到這個目標的,所以它是非常龐大的,而且我也知道在所有教育預算當中有很大的比例是在人事的預算方面,但就儘管如此,我們對於這些剛剛委員所提出的 |
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幾個不合理﹑該增加人的﹑或者是就增加福利的部分,我們還是願意很誠懇地去檢討,在現有的機制底下去做一個合理性的調整,那我會請教育部來進一步往這個方向想,來提出一個說明跟報告。 |
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那還是請院長也考慮人力的部分也要增加了因為行政專職化就目前學校裡面的行政工作那讓教師可以專心教書我會覺得是根本解決的部分要不然你原本的勞務這麼的多我們剛講到不管是霸凌、性平各方面還有我們的普特融合那其實增加了非常多的行政工作量那院長還是希望您可以考慮好嗎 |
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好,我們請教育部趕快往這個方向來做一個思考,來跟委員再請教。好,那最後關於3C的部分也是我要辦的一個公聽會,那到時候我想這也是數位時代的一個共同的議題,那我們也希望教育部一起來。好,謝謝。謝謝范委員,謝謝卓院長。下一位請謝依鳳委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席。我想要請卓院長。請卓院長備詢 |
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委員長早安我看到那個前天那個我們經濟部長說他說是不是如果如果那個兩年以後臺電還是虧損他就要下臺是不是這是他 |
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之前就說過的他認為兩年之後照他的方向可以讓台電調整他的財務健全我也有一些看法啦說不定我的方法比他還快那請委員指教我們很樂意聽我想要問一下就是你們今年追加的台電1000億的預算是跟過去一樣是邊列在台電的就是為了健全台電的財務結構邊在資本還是邊在營業收入 |
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二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50 |
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臨時提案委員： |
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今年我們還有一項就是他的這個 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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我跟院長說 |
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補債資本跟補債營業收入是不一樣的,這是台電的損益表,1到8月最新的,我昨天晚上才抓下來的,它的稅前盈餘,稅前虧損現在是400億, |
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現在是400億的情況下如果我們今年度行政院追加的台電的1000億的預算是補在營業收入的話那現在稅錢馬上就會由虧轉營變成600億 |
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你稅前盈餘就會有600億這600億在到就是今年度的會計年度結束以後它就會變成稅後盈餘稅後盈餘就可以打消我們資產負債表裡面現在目前台電4,219億的虧損是不是 |
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如果台電是用這樣的財務的計算方式來看,我們將來在提出追加預算的說明當中,他應該進一步說明將來的用途。 是不是這樣子?如果是這樣子,他可以立即的打消他4,219億的累積虧收。 所以我們說今年的追加預算,一方面是 |
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明天即將第二次調整我們的工業用電 |
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總共的調幅是12%左右那今年4月到現在調整電價已經讓臺電增加1000億的稅前盈餘了那第二次的調漲電價會不會增加更多然後如果目前我們現在是追加1000億嘛 |
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如果你是補債收入的話那我們馬上就可以打消它的累計虧損再加上明天開始的調漲電價有可能我們就可以馬上的來打消台電的這個虧損如果這個情況下我想請問院長的是明年還需要撥補嗎還是我們馬上刪除 |
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還是等到看到了今年漲電價的這個結果打消累計虧損的結果以後我們再來決定明年要不要再追加一千億的預算畢竟一千億不是一千塊是不是都是人民辛苦的納稅權院長你怎麼樣決定這個東西你是交給台電還是最後在院會裡面由院長決定 |
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跟委員報告,過去兩三年因為烏鶴戰爭的關係,原物料上漲的幅度是相當大的,那這個都是在臺電的吸收範圍當中,所以我們必須要填補這些東西。 那我們期待臺電的營運能夠月區健全,就是它接近反應成本的月區健全,那明年它電價會不會調整,不是現在我說,當然是明年審議委員會,我期待,我期待。 |
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如果按照這樣子的方式其實你們的追加預算的今年1000億的追加預算你就應該把它編在收入嘛馬上打消它的累計虧損嘛未來當然啦等到下一次的電價審議的時候那就不用再調整電價這才是苦民所苦現在民眾已經非常非常苦了 |
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現在電價調不調整當然是電價審議委員會了但是我是期待在今年這樣調整之後我們可以穩定一段時間對電價讓它穩定這是我的期待我想任何一個政府的官員都不希望用調整各種的民生費用來增加人民的負擔 |
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這是你我共同的心願所以我才在這裡提出建議嘛如果你邊在收入的話那電價審議委員會會不會調整電價也要按照台電目前虧損以及他財務的情況那如果我們按照這樣子財務的規劃的話是不是可以馬上的讓他打消累計虧損而且我想請問的 |
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如果按照這個情況把它列在營業收入就是這一千億的撥補列在營業收入的話我想請問卓院長的你要補助哪一些產業是中小企業還是要補助民生用電 |
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當然是補助民生用電現在今年這一次的調整我們就是補助民生用電以及一些過去這段時間以來它的這個營業或是用電衰退的我們盡量不予調整但是所產生出來跟成本之間的差額 |
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華東的旅宿業真的是經營上的困難,增加就算7%也是困難,那現在其他的旅宿業也在跟我們整形要求要比照。 |
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國會主委跟教育部長請備詢 |
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你們故意走得很慢,沒關係,我的時間停了。 |
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副主委我知道你很關心台積電要不要在德國還有歐洲國家設廠我看到新聞可是你知不知道我們二零我們彰化的縣民也很希望台積電可以來二零中科設廠你知道科學園區也是你的管轄範圍內吧你清楚的了解吧是 |
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那對於這個你有什麼你昨天評論了你說說台積電要去德國還有歐洲很多國家設廠那對於我們彰化線民的判斷 呃 盼望你給予什麼樣子的回應我們對於台灣各處的可能發展的基地我們都會協助那彰化20的這個科學園區 |
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目前他的基地是比較小,而且當初在……基地不小欸,我們現在只用了一半而已,一半還不到,招商一半還不到,未來我們希望招商更多欸。今天是國是會沒來欸,我才跟你講欸。 |
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郭志輝也在趕快把這個台積電相關的封測,因為我們二林中科是一個低度用水用電,它可以做的是半導體裡面的封測啊。那有台積電的封測,也有相關其他封測的產業。 報告委員郭志輝都在把他們拉攏到產業院去,你要不要把他拉攏到科學院去啊? |
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如果條件許可的話,廠商也有意願,我們當然會協助,但是現在目前二零的這個水電的這個需求,因為有受到當初在環境影響評估的時候決議的限制,那個如果我們 |
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地方政府願意積極協助。 封測可以,那你要不要大力協助。你不要只關心歐洲嘛,你要不要關心我們台灣。 報告委員,報告委員,前瞻封測不是像傳統封測一樣。臺電現在需求的是前瞻封測,它也牽涉到晶圓的處理。晶圓的處理需要用到相當大的這個水電,所以條件現在還不符合。那如果說將來地方政府積極去規劃,能夠從產磚區開始, |
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目前這個道明 |
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明道大學這個退場他是由這個衛福部要準備這個來接管那也就是說他希望在那邊發張化縣政府跟衛福部共同嘛 對不對衛福部他做那個藥草的那個草藥院那其他的就是體育設施以及校舍相關的部分是由張化縣政府來共同接管嘛主要的 |
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統籌是彰化縣政府那目前我們也希望最近我們的政府部門在推的是AI那我們也希望爭取AI智慧產業軟體園區來到這裡設廠還有目前才剛公佈的碳費的部分 |
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我們也希望探全交易平臺 畢竟我們有非常多的離岸風電那是不是能夠把部分的離岸 一小部分提供給當然就是提供給我們彰化的中小企業 |
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因為大部分的綠電已經被科學園區的拿去了嘛,但是對於中小企業有嫁接到國際綠色供應業裡面的中小企業,他們也需要相關的探權啊,是不是能夠協助呢? |
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這一個因為我們目前的一個辦法確實就是由衛福部來統籌啦,但是如果他這個這個整個空間我想我們在整個整體的一個規劃跨部會裡面看怎麼樣來協助這個讓空間能夠做到一個更 |
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大學退場的問題,教育部也是其中的一份子,不要再推給微服部,還有行政院的0到6歲國家養的政策,目前推動的情況是如何? |
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我們0到2歲的專班也會在明年開始會增設200班,這個是大家非常…那在彰化縣呢?因為我們彰化縣現在有些鄉鎮是欠缺0到2歲的國嬰的部分,有些鄉鎮欠缺3到6歲幼兒園的部分,那這樣子分配不均的情況下,怎麼樣子發展0到6歲呢? |
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幼兒園跟0到20歲的專班我覺得各地都有需求啦各地都有需求量還是不夠像我之前到高雄他們說這邊已經有兩班了我們上化界也有需求啊各地應該透過地方政府趕快整合一下不是高雄有需求全台灣都有需求你怎麼做你要落實這個政見不是只有單一個方向當然是我說全台灣都有需求趕快提出各縣市的需求那麼有沒有設置的地點要怎麼樣去做合作 |
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目前的確在彰化縣的各鄉鎮對於這0到6歲大家都沒有辦法真的知道政見要怎麼落實因為有些部分缺的是0到2歲有些部分缺的是3到6歲在缺的不均勻的情況下這個政見就沒有辦法落實我認為 |
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好 謝謝謝謝委員還有卓院長報告院會上午質詢到此為止本次會議未有委員提出臨時提案就不進行臨時提案之處理下午2點30分繼續開會進行教育及文化組之質詢現在休息 |
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現在我們繼續開會,進行教育及文化組織質詢。 首先請莊瑞雄委員質詢。謝謝韓院長,有請我們行政院卓院長。麻煩請卓院長備詢。我們教育部,我們政部長。請教育部長備詢。 |
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委員長午安我想昨天針對於中共對台灣又進行這樣一個還台的軍援不過這跟以前來做比較的話一天就結束了好像觀光一樣但是我看新華社他特別去講說這是對台獨分裂勢力的強力的一個震懾然後說是捍衛國家主權然後維護國家統一的必要的一個行動 |
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這個我看聽在台灣人的耳朵裡面大家可能會覺得鬼才要跟他去統一 |
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但是老共的統戰手法除了文攻武嚇以外﹖軍事政治跟經濟上的壓力﹖這幾年他也透過文化跟體育活動進行統戰﹖而且是軟硬兼施。 比如說2個月前在第5屆海峽兩岸青少年的棒球文化節聽起來都很正常的體育活動﹖ |
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可是我去看到國內辦主任宋濤利用體育的賽事,其實他在談的都是一中原則和九二共識,強調習近平高度重視關心台灣的青年,歡迎台灣的青年共築中國夢。可是我看到昨天這樣的一個軍演,這個都是兩面的一個手法。 |
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這樣的一個活動體育的活動我們國內其實我們看到縣市首長去了也是強調九二共識反對台獨那比如說上個月福建有一個叫做同名村講名字稱頭就對了叫做村BA人家NBA講名字就叫做村BA籃球邀請賽就利用這個中青文化的情感跟歷史的一個交織進一步也是談談兩岸一家親這看起來很清楚的這個都是一種統戰可是這個 |
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本院我們立委也會去拍片,然後去幫忙做這樣的一個背書。 我不曉得我們院長跟部長,你們看到了這一些中國利用體育賽事來當一個統戰的一個工具,這些資訊你們有沒有去掌握?那接下來我們面對這樣的情況的話,院長你的態度是怎麼樣? |
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首先我們當然希望體育運動賽事無國界,讓全世界的好手能夠聚集一堂來互相的切磋比較,但是如果 |
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過去到現在以來,參差太多的政治因素,連參加人的服裝、旗歌這樣都要對我們種種限制的話,那就是用一頂大帽子再讓我們穿小鞋,這樣是非常不好的。兩岸之間通常就在這種狀況底下。我實在很希望,如果這些活動真的是誠心誠意為對方著想,對方的年輕人的活動參與,那是非常非常好的。 |
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但是通常不是這樣子的,所以我們要有相當大的戒心。我非常贊同院長你所提到,其實哪怕是昨天中共軍演剛結束,你說兩岸之間的,你說體育、文化這些交流,我想不要涉及一些統戰,台灣的民眾還是可以接受兩邊的這樣的一個交流,但是看到這樣子我很 |
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民進黨執政時,運動預算 |
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提出2016年79.8億到2022年的時候130億2023年的時候137.6億到2024年超過160億那最近這個組織裡面外界都認為是要升格雖然行政院認為說這是一個全新的跟升格的概念不一樣OK但是我比較擔心的是什麼我比較擔心的是說院長 |
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這如果從教育部裡面我們來組織或是藥物都打開之後我們最擔心的是說體育的部分需要去改革新的一個運動部成立以後必須要去回應外界對整個以後整個運動界的一個一個真正的他們的一個需求那我要救教院長的就是說你去把它看我前幾天去 |
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質詢我們人事長,我們體育部組織成立了,緣額到底要怎麼編,以目前教育部本部的緣額是567人,公務預算緣額是1540人,體育署是165。那人事長他是跟我回應就是說,體育署已有限職人員上部區去修訂了中央政府的一個機關總緣額法。 |
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站在人事長他的一個立場他一定認為組織看有沒有辦法精簡可是站在你行政院這麼多部會裡面啊像我就看到海巡也好啊我們看到警察人員也好啊我們甚至看到我們的檢察機關也好啊法務部也好啊他們又需要很多人力了那可是我們運動部上來以後我們要必須要去增加他人力的 |
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主席主席 |
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教育部的體育署不是升格的問題是讓他完全全新的一個體育部所以他除了要全民運動除了要國際競技運動產業之外也會對一些弱勢的一些運動項目我們給他更好的運動空間跟環境這個都會在未來的運動部裡面產生當然人事總署他會希望說原額精簡 |
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但是我認為在有限的人事當中我們只要給他賦予未來的運動部新的政策宗旨他就必定會有新的發展而且他的預算也比往年還要多我們絕對不會浪費任何的預算會讓他充分的發揮所以我們都期待啦我們期待運動部成立以後那個整個中央的一個資源很精準的可以下到那個基層我們也可以希望運動部的成立以後 |
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更來擴展整個全民運動的一個思維但是真的最主要我們最擔心的不要換湯不換藥應該是去改革過去的一些弊端回應外界的一個訴求那個文化部長請回另外我要跟這個院長跟部長來就教就是說 |
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這個議題其實運動部的成立就真的是從這個議題就看得出來有它的必要教育部現在你看你們的彩券就你們管的嘛 現在教育部一關彩券很怪怪的啦 人家在拐弄啦那電競跟你們那一關其實也怪怪的啦 所以你們顧一下 成立一個運動部讓它去歸屬也不是壞事 我要就照院長跟部長就是說你們兩位平常你們不知道有沒有在關注運動賽事 我相信都有 你們剛好買過彩券 運動彩券 運彩 |
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我買過一次你買一個,一組齁,幾塊你不知道多少?10塊,一個要10組 |
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這是正當的那我要講的就是說我們今年在奧運裡面我們去拿到了兩金五銅總共七面獎牌那前幾年的幾年前的東京奧運裡面我們更創下了兩金四銀六銅十二面獎牌最好的一個成績這個在我們的黃金計畫裡面這個經費的一個奧元來自於哪裡就是我們的運動發展基金 |
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那這一筆經費很大一部分來自於我們的運動彩券的一個盈餘。這個運彩的一個蓬勃發展不僅推動了體育圈,也讓我們的選手有更多的資源來做一個支持。那運動彩券的收入越高,你當然投入運動發展的錢當然會越多。110年,81年多多年,你知不知道?六百多年,沒關係你不用看,六百多年。 |
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那到現在8月份,我只是沒掉到8月份而已,就422億了,看來今年應該算不錯。但是呢,時機不夠多,什麼原因呢?這我直接跟議長和部長跟你們說明。 |
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我們的運採的經銷商面臨很大的業績的一個壓力。 現在第三屆,台灣的運採新增快了一千家的經銷商。 但是呢,市場投注的風氣沒有明顯去提升。 很多經銷商,他的業績反而下滑。 為什麼你知道嗎?你給他幾年要五十萬? |
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二、退佣．一張彩券退佣6.5% |
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有些店家現在一張只能賺6.25的佣金可是退佣是到5% |
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二、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 |
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移植到我們整個運動發展基金裡面去,我們讓我們的國際賽事裡面,因為這比前培養更多的一個那麼棒的選手,可是我們在這些肢解裡面,我認為這個也是改革的一環啦。告訴老婆,我都覺得怪怪的啦,這未來運動部應該去做個好事啦。另外一種,部長、院長你也不用笑啦,我那邊有很多人要拔轎, |
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你如果說要擲這個運彩還好,都擲什麼你知道嗎?非法的,球棒嘛,球板嘛,就是一般講的球板嘛,就是地下運彩啦。如果是真的是要運彩,我們就政府這個跟委託機關發行的就可以玩啦。可是呢為什麼大家不玩?不好玩還到去一年還6百億喔?阿如果好玩咧?阿為什麼會跟地下運彩,那所謂的球板差那麼多,不中你知道嗎? |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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地下的、非法的、那些球板的我一萬塊,我贏了就贏九千,後來把那個期末錢給亂贏的。 所以呢,大家都抱怨了,這個叫做,這種叫做什麼?這種球板喔,用這樣的一個賠率的方式喔,我們政府都輸給人家。 有一種叫現金版的,另外一種叫做信用版的,現金版的就是垃圾啊。 另外一種叫做信用版,我教你怎麼擲,擲地下運財啦。 |
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信用版的是怎樣?你信用版一定的額度,你政府長給你這個做到補訂的你的GIF所,給你100萬。 報案來之後,不用花錢來啊。啊你報書你要錢來啊。啊你沒錢要怎麼辦?嘿嘿,就有人來我借你錢。 地下錢帳我就借你錢。啊借完又沒錢怎麼辦? |
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有一組人,他就來給你討席啊。 討席你要怎麼辦?你就招勞啊。 社會案件就發生了。 |
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所以連這個賠率我都認為,我們就已經開放這個運財了,那為什麼會這次1比1,1.5呢? |
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跟那個地下運財齁,幹扁啦,不對嗎?1.9都賣當1.9啊,政府也有稅收,欸?韓院長在笑啦,你看。 他們選總統的時候我也在爬到要死耶。 |
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何況這個是正常運動的一個彩券,你那個退翁那個文化那個不對。 第二個你那個賠率跟那個地下的運財差的讓人家覺得你都毫無吸引力齁。 這些又怕齁,搞不好齁,讓他們在那裡猖獗齁,造成一大堆煮頭。 這個我看齁,不然你簡單給我回應一下好不好。 |
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謝謝委員關心這個硬財,確實它這些年來這個硬財這個利潤確實協助了這個國內的運動這個蓬勃發展。 那麼運動採卷這個也讓我們運動發展基金這個隱移編列這個有多了,這些年有這個收入60多億。 |
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那包含這一次的巴黎奧運整個這個印柴大概有100將近50億我們就實收大概有10億的這樣所以我的意思是說經銷商困境我們要幫人家解決所謂的這個退 |
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政府委託去發行以後,那個制度有弊端或有不合理,我們也要改革 |
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你已經合法認許他的一個存在啦那你為什麼讓他我佣金6.25我退佣退5%我其他我只做金水電子也不夠那變成說就變成大家一起來賭博了嘛那你要賭你又輸給人家那個地下彩券 |
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不通啦,我現在是職欄的會長,拜託把我們的職欄線索列進去啦,品項就多了嘛。博弈型的運彩跟彩券都必須有社會更安全的管控才可以,尤其是運彩更牽涉到比賽的公平性。那如果政府提供更安全可靠的,用這個來吸引國人來參與,但是在計算的過程當中,我們如果說 |
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我完全沒有辦法跟這個地下的來競爭的話那我覺得運採他的功能會 |
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接下來請登記第8號黃建斌委員質詢 |
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行政院主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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院長,這是這次針對山頭河颱風過後,有許多需要重建的問題。 這邊也希望院長能夠盡快支持各部會來,盡快來協助。 那這次山頭河颱風不只重創我們高屏地區,就是在屏東旁邊的台東,也是這家的重災區。 照片中我們可以看到, |
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五十六重回民宅的家園,民眾的家園,農地基居掩埋。 根據我們農業部的統計,這次台東縣的農災高達4000萬以上,是我們全國第三關。 但是在颱風過後,我們看到賴清德總統到了金山萬里勘災。 柏中麗親自到我們屏東來會堪。 我們副院長也到了新北的這個著名美術館。 |
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但是針對全國農損第三慘重的臺東, 中央部會遲遲沒有派人下來看災。 上個禮拜五,也就是10月11日在本席的要求下, 行政院工程會、農業部、園民會也才終於派人到臺東來會看災情。 議長在這邊我必須代表臺東人,對這一次山陀和颱風, 中央對於臺東的漠視表達最嚴重的抗議。 議定 |
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臺東的山雖然比較多,但災情不至於看不到。 臺東的人口雖然比較少,但民眾的聲音也不至於聽不到。 未來也希望中央就災千萬不要大硝煙。 尤其是這一次山洞的颱風過後,我們農業部公告的這個農業天然災害現金補助部分,我們隔壁的地區是全品項。 臺東縣目前只有達人鄉、大武鄉、金峰鄉、泰馬里鄉,也就是所謂的南回地區的特用作物,就是洛神花。 |
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在做這個補助我想這落差實在太大這個是簡直是把臺東當第二等公民那針對臺東災後的協助本席有兩點要求希望院長能夠表明態度第一就是針對臺東災後的農產損失農地流失繼續損壞中央必須擴大補助而不是只有現在的洛神華這個項目那針對臺東縣政府所提報的災後重建的部分中央也要盡力的來提供經費協助地方渡過難關 |
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第二,眾院該比照凱米颱風期間補助中環部縣市的專案,額外給予颱風縣災民每戶2萬元的補助金。 另外針對特殊身份加碼,讓災民能夠盡快恢復日常生活,請問院長,這個部分是不是願意承諾來協助? |
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好首先向委員表示歉意因為在一樣的時間我們總能走的就是有限的空間所以總統也好副院長也好我跟我也好我們就在上個禮拜六禮拜天跑了一些地方那很抱歉的是上個禮拜我們又有國慶的各種外賓的來訪等等又有其他又有總諮詢我是在沒有辦法分身乏術這點真的是抱歉不過委員放心所有的 |
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封災之後的補助的標準,我們都照過去一樣的來執行,一樣的來執行,你要講最後那一點,就是是不是可以有加2萬,這個我們對淹水50米以上的,我們都有這樣加,50米以下我們也加5000,我記得。 |
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主席 |
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這個補助單位一個依據所以他現在開發的APP只要照個相傳上去就可以如果這個還有疑問我也請農業部跟委員詳細說明謝謝部長非常正面的答覆那我想以上是颱風過後我們希望中央能夠立即來協助的部分那接下來我想要再跟院長來請教說針對今年0403強震之後加上連續的颱風造成花東地區的觀光產業一落千丈 |
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那在這一次我們進一步公佈最新的電價調整方案中﹐有看到﹐中央來協助花園的旅宿業者﹐這個部分本席非常的贊同。那院長﹐其實花東本是一體﹐政府在補助的過程裡面﹐要雪中種碳﹐不是雪上加霜﹐如果 |
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花蓮受創臺東也嚴重這部分也是請院長回去務必跟我們相關部會來演繹臺東縣能夠比照花蓮給予臺東的旅宿業者來協助幫助他們走過難關院長畢竟臺東的產業非常單純一個是農業一個就是觀光這部分院長是不是能夠來允諾 |
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好,是的,原來如果不是颱風的因素,所以我也跟委員約好了要去臺東,瞭解臺東的產業,臺中各種的農產,以及臺東這個當地在0403之後花蓮影響跟臺東影響的狀況,我們會全力來協助,花蓮有的,臺東就會有。謝謝院長,院長本期可以當地培,找中國人地培,好,我們一起,一起,好,謝謝。 |
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請教育部長備詢 |
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來部長好 委員好部長本席首先要為臺東的學子來請命之前有一個新聞就是臺東高中的學生是穿著襪子在游泳池上游泳課那因為原因就是因為這個游泳池老舊池底有這個死灰質沉澱所以導致學生在游泳的時候腳都會化傷那學校沒辦法的情況就是先穿襪子去上游泳課這件事情其實在新聞也被報導過 |
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那另外呢,就是我們臺東女中的這個紅土跑道操場損毀的問題,它不只損毀,還有包括還有坑道,那每次東北氣風來就是塵土飛揚,那雨後還會積水,造成學生運動會容易受傷。那今年6月份的時候,本期在委員會質詢部長的時候,部長也答應, |
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來全力協助這邊先謝謝部長但就本席了解目前兩間學校已經提報了相關的改善經費給教育部那分別是臺東高中游泳池改善經費是1000萬元那臺東女中的操場改善經費是1500萬元請問我們部裡面什麼時候會通過核定另外是不是能夠全額來補助 |
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謝謝委員關心因為確實上一次的那一個有關游泳池穿襪子那一個確實是學校在整個那一個溺水的一個系統它出的狀況那當時他們並沒有針對這一個整個這一個問題提出申請所以感謝委員的一個提醒然後這個部裡邊這個國教署也按照這一個請學校再趕快再補送這一個資料那我想我們應該會 |
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拜託部長小朋友已經開學了 |
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請國科委主委備選 |
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主委好主委那個先前有國科有表示說今年我們要選定這個國家火箭發射場那可能座落的位置是在台東縣跟屏東縣這兩個地方來擇一那我想要考慮到地理物理環境的影響那也要足夠的擴充性最重要是能夠跟當地政府來溝通那本席這邊要幫台東縣來爭取這個場址 |
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有兩個原因,第一個就是說,我們發設的預定地的位置,原本選定的是在臺東縣達人鄉的南田村,那村長這邊表示說,他非常的樂意,村民也普遍的能夠接受,認為是可以帶動地方的觀光產業發展。那當地的議員,也認為這可以增加就業的機會,臺東縣政府也是表示歡迎。這代表國發會,未來如果選在這邊設置的話,地方的溝通應該會很順利,對於後續我們要推動也是水到渠成。 |
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二、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間 |
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謝謝黃委員目前我們兩個場址包含臺東縣的南田部落還有屏東縣的九坤村都符合我們基本的條件設定的這個要求 |
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那現在兩個縣政府也都很積極的希望能夠來爭取經過國會審慎的這個規劃我們的確是希望把我們未來火箭國家火箭發射場子能夠把它經營成不是只有偶爾去發射火箭而已而是一個教育的也是一個教育的場子也是一個能夠促進觀光的場子促進這個地方發展的這個場子所以相信未來這個規劃 |
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臺東縣是您選擇的一個好答案 |
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好謝謝主委主委先休息我想問一下部長那部長接下來我們要請教最近的議題就是斑斑有鮮乳的這個議題那我想教育部先前跟農業部共同推出這個斑斑有鮮乳政策那許多縣市不同部那以及有些老師會反映這個在不管在保存配送方面都會增加教育現場非常大的負擔以台東縣來說如果要讓鮮乳要讓學童喝到鮮乳 |
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第一要考慮的是交通成本,第二是冷鏈的配送,第三個是冰箱保存,電費的支出,光是這個項目,這四個部分就會增加很大的經費。 我想要請教議員,這件事是中央出還是我們地方來出? |
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謝謝委員關心這個我們怎麼樣讓兒童能夠有一個更好的一個成長的環境包括在營養上的一個支持這個鈣跟蛋白質的一個補充我想這一個當時的一個起心動念就是希望能夠讓學童有更好的發展空間 |
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部長本席補充齁,台東縣以整個台東縣來說,我們有26所學校是申請鮮乳,91所學校是申請補酒乳,不是大家比較愛喝補酒乳,原因就是因為你鮮乳的配送成本太高,台東福利又廣闊了齁,那雖然這個政策很好,可是有時候你看到就喝不中嘛, |
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所以最重要是這經費是誰要來協助啦,不能你中央政協改好,中央你請人家,你副用要被人家負擔嗎?感謝委員指導,因為確實我們這一學期也希望能夠透過這一個實際的,因為本來全台灣已經有10個縣市,不管結合營養午餐或者其他的一個時間,提供這個先來的一個供給。那我們也希望說,除了地方政府有一些趕快能夠下單,然後這一個怎麼樣去 |
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部長,這個經費我們可以支持,我們可以支持經費的部分。 |
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我現在要表達偏鄉的公務人員跟老師的心聲曾經有一部很有名的電影叫做老師,您會不會再回來?老師你會不會再回來?這個是在講什麼?講偏鄉老師流動率的問題 |
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那個 部長 院長你們知道現在臺東公交人員的家籍是多少錢嗎?630塊臺北到臺東火車票將近800塊等於說東臺家籍一個月的家籍還不夠買一張車票 |
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那因為這樣的情況之下你加擠的用因這麼少我們怎麼樣把老師留下來沒有穩定的施施怎麼樣發展教育這個部分施請教育部未來能夠演繹在加擠上能夠做這一生謝謝委員的這個指證因為我確實我上來以後我們感受到這一個偏鄉洗多的這些老師怎麼樣讓老師有一個能夠更長久的留任在偏鄉前任的潘部長也特別 |
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通過了這一個各位委員的一個支持,這個9任獎金,行政院也全力來支持,在2014年我們就會有一個9任獎金。那另外一個老師,我們怎麼樣去考慮像花蓮、台東的老師,讓他能夠這個施施的一個培育,包括他的任用能夠永續,我們也開始在規劃一些新的方案。 條件用意還是要有,不能只靠熱忱,跟部長的報告。 |
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那我想時間的關係最後我想要一件事情請教一下我們主委院長齁 |
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陳秀寶委員質詢 |
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謝謝院長請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢也請文化部長李遠部長請文化部部長備詢陳委員好院長好院長請問你有看過黑白大廚這個節目嗎我這個禮拜 |
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黑白大廚是目前最夯的韓國實境秀,風靡全球。 黑白大廚播映之後,紛紛有網友來討論說,臺灣有沒有能力資金拍出這樣的實境秀? |
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院長,您認為,韓國有黑白大廚,臺灣有沒有德基賽的出路材? |
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我們有這樣的能力但是我們有沒有這樣的決心當全球的觀眾從一個判論比賽的節目得到各種啟發 |
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開始討論比賽輸贏的人生哲理商業的專業管理的重要旅遊平台他們統計說韓國美食文化成為吸引遊客的優先考慮參賽者的餐廳內被慕名而來的talker預約到爆滿一個成功的節目其實它的成就並不只在戲劇的效果帶動的周邊的這些效益無可計數更遑論說所謂的一道料理就一春甚至說一個節目就成全韓國的這個餐飲業 |
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同時一個成功的節目要投入也不只是戲劇的部分,從企劃、投入、設備、成本、賽程、安排、邀請參賽者、人際網的運用請得動評審這樣的創意跟執行力 |
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我們的影視有沒有去體會到影視之路其實如逆水行舟不進則退,當你進步的不夠快的時候就會被別人超越。那除了公部門的扶植、獎勵、補助之外,我們有沒有企圖心,我們有沒有進軍國際市場的決心,有沒有帶給觀眾共鳴的信心。 |
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我們文化部為了扶植相關的影視音產業也執行了相當多的計畫也補助了不少很優質的劇本以及音樂的製作文策院這邊也投資了很多很優質的戲劇當我們不斷的前進不斷的進步的時候其實其他影視音大國也不斷的創新跟進步他們大步向前所以我們要問黑潮計畫如何引領台流? |
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好,謝謝委員給我們這個機會。西元2000年韓國金大中總統上來之後開始推動韓流,我都有一直注意,一直到現在,我覺得韓國的發展可以讓我們接近之外,我們台灣本身的文化體育跟韓國也不完全一樣,我非常感謝在這幾年 |
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政府給了我們一個黑潮計畫也就是4年100億可以讓我們的輔導基金不管是劇或者是電影增加輔導錢之外還有文社院的投資文社院拿到國發基金的100億也幫助了我們去投資有國際規格的劇跟電影 |
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那這些動作雖然比較慢但是已經開始了另外我們也在修法鼓勵引進民間的資金來投入因為韓國最厲害的一點就是把民間的錢全部引進來到這個影視產業有因為我們只要有遞減稅 |
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提檢稅這些文創的法律我們都陸續已經通過所以我自己個人有一直看到很多企業已經在投資而且來跟我們申請提檢稅第三個我們一定要知道像Netflix這種國際型的大型的OTD我們台灣實在是不夠那麼大但是最近我們已經開始非常積極的跟三大電信這個三雄比如中華電信、遠傳 |
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臨時提案委員：完整會議 |
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阿凡請教育部長備選 |
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院長,接下來本席這邊要跟院長討論有關電子煙的相關問題。到目前為止其實電子煙包含煙油跟機器本身都是管制的項目,也就是說是禁止輸入、買賣跟吸食。但是本席相信您院長跟部長也知道說目前外面其實可以看到民眾甚至是學生是拿著電子煙在吸食。本席也特地上網找過,院長可以看一下我們的投影片,其實在網路上購買電子煙是非常容易的。 |
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還有網站說可以替客戶隱密包裝用不顯示內容物的方式來規避查緝那實際上呢其實實體的店家私下賣的也不少真的不難買到我手上這就是電子煙的機器的本身那這個是煙袋口味很多種 |
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哈密瓜還有芒果我把它放到我的包包裡我一直都聞到哈密瓜那個香味然後這個煙蛋它也不貴它真的不貴又容易買它一盒裡面有三顆它有三顆煙蛋很容易買到那本席之所以憂心是因為電子煙油不僅它的內容成分不安全也會有含有毒品的煙蛋 |
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其實國建署的調查,青少年使用電子菸的比例是年年上升,其實這是一個警訊。那之所以提到電子菸以及煙彈,是因為目前新興毒品也就是俗稱的上市煙彈非常的猖獗。 |
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近幾個月也有因為毒價而奪走多名員警的生命所以這一類的毒品對人體的傷害是非常的大十分的嚴重那令本席很憂心就是說已經有所謂上市煙彈進入校園這樣的報導所以本席這邊想了解到說我們教育部對於所謂上市煙彈進入校園的狀況你們有掌握嗎?你們有了解這個狀況嗎? |
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跟委員報告,確實這一個有學校會不定期的有學生有這樣的一個其實這一個電子菸或者一些我們講的所謂的這些毒品,三級的毒品,我們是學務處這一個部分,學務室他這有一個校安隨時都會通報的。 |
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所以這邊教育部也有了解到這樣的狀況喔上次煙彈其實在今年的8月才正式列為第三類毒品那我們的孩子能不能抵擋上次煙彈的誘惑或是能不能戰勝好奇心院長您覺得說我們要如何有效的防堵上次煙彈進入校園 |
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報告委員,我們現在在討論的過程當中,我們是在針對加熱菸,所以電子菸目前是完全沒有開放的,是禁止的。那加熱菸目前也還沒有開放,只是它進入到一個由各家提出來審議的過程當中,那這個是必要非常非常的嚴謹,因為兩相比較,電子菸對青少年的危害對人類來說是多的。 |
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所以這個就是我們現在在禁制之後還沒有開放 這個不會開放的我們希望能夠這個教育部也好 一個相關的這個內政部的警察單位也好警政單位也好 也應該要做這個部分 因為已經把剛剛講的這個玉兔米子已經列為第三類的毒品了 那他就必須強力去取締黑金槍毒詐是我們武打期間裡面重要的列項 所以我們會全力去處理 |
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我想是有的部長真真覺得是有 |
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上次煙彈的危害其實不僅是成年的沒有辦法承受其實相對更會損害我們孩子的健康那我們看一下教育部這邊的資料112年國小濫用藥物通報案件有4件113年到8月就已經有4件了表示藥物濫用的年紀有往下的趨勢所以在這邊本席要要求第一個教育部應該要了解藥物濫用的這個藥物內容 |
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針對新興毒品要及時及時的做出防毒宣導的教材來供教育現場的老師宣導教學使用。 第二個部分一定要橫向的聯合我們社政警政跟衛生的系統防毒安全網不應該有黑數存在我們必須清楚的掌握資訊才能夠有效的防堵。 |
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第三個部分,國小藥物濫用這個建樹不降反升,所以很令人憂心說說濫用藥物的年齡階層往下這個趨勢變成是常態,所以對國小學生的這個加強宣導其實刻不容緩,部長您覺得?謝謝委員的提醒,確實委員剛才所提的那三個方向都是我們現在在努力的,而且這樣的一個菸毒的一個防治, |
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我相信他是社區學校跟家庭都要共同來合作所以在這個部分裡邊我們透過親師的一個座談或者班級的一個班會跟班級輔導相對的程度我們都會做一些事實的監導而且對他可能造成身心的這個傷害包括可能在這個法令上的一些啊這一個所這個違法的這些東西我們都會在一併的在 |
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謝謝部長,所以本席剛才做了三個要求,我希望教育部真的要正視,就是對於我們及時做出這些防堵的教材,還有就是說我們要聯合社政警政跟衛生系統,以及我們對國小的學生加強這個宣導的教學。 |
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其實防治毒品是一條漫漫長路上次煙彈它不會是終點一定會有不斷的有新興的新制的毒品被製造出來那我們最終都是希望說毒品不會進到校園希望我們的孩子不要碰毒希望我們的孩子能夠判斷能夠保護自己所以希望教育部能夠為毒品防治能夠更積極那接下來院長我們一樣要關心孩童的安全這也是個很讓人家比較痛心的一個議題 |
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根據我們新聞的統計顯示從2021年開始我國的兒少交通事故傷亡人數是逐年的攀升少年的部分呢2023年增加了1486人兒童的部分暴增了2551人所以2023年的統計呢高達30151名的兒少在交通事故中有傷亡的情況 |
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那臺灣的掃指化情況是非常的嚴峻喔那現在兒少交通事故傷亡的這個人數又持續的攀升這是個非常嚴重的問題顯見兒少的交通事故問題亟待檢討我想請教院長目前我們在學校端有沒有進行交通安全教育有沒有符合我們現在臺灣的交通現況 |
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除了委員說的報告這個資料之外我們現在在學校周遭選擇200處的學校要優先改善它的入口那現在據我所知道已經進行了大概將近50處以上那另外就是危險入口在799處當中我們也進行了400多處這個都是進一步要確保在 |
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行進的過程當中保障行人當然包括兒童包括一般行人的交通安全那這個會變成一個我們一直推動到明年一直進行完成的同時也會增加很多的號誌告示警告來告訴大家哪一個地方 |
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駕駛人必須提高注意駕駛人沒有停留這個是現在最大的一個詬病所以我們要做更多的這種教育的過程才能讓大家在交通安全的意識能夠迅速的提高謝謝院長的回答那其實在硬體的設施設備的提升安全度這個是也是非常的重要但是本期希望說我們一定要注重孩子們交通安全的教育 |
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讓大家去意識到怎樣的行的安全是正確的觀念然後如何保護自己所以我這邊希望說院長要跨部會來協調交通部跟教育部我們在學校要落實交通安全教育的推廣尤其應該要導入體驗式的這樣的交通教育實際的教導我們的孩子比如說他們在過馬路等紅燈的時候或是走斑馬線的時候如何避開視線死角 |
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我們要給他正確的觀念來保護自己行的安全這樣子除了說我們在硬體設備安全的這個提升之外他本身有這樣子的安全的意識才能夠保護自己我們才能夠照顧我們的下一代所以這個部分是不是請院長可以研議我們提出具體的措施跟目標給本席就是關於這個兒童的交通安全教育的這個措施 |
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這基本的教育我想任何的學校都已經在進行的那我們希望能夠有更重點性的比方告訴小朋友說我們有個號誌有那種早開的系統幫助你過馬路可以提早把那個號誌亮起來幫助你過馬路讓你有充裕的時間等等這個讓小朋友知道他在過馬路的時候有更多的安全資訊系統可以保護他他也可以去利用有強調過說是不是應該導入體驗式的交通教育 |
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跟委員報告,我想剛才委員所強調體驗室的這個交通安全的一個學習,我想我們這個中小學都有在做的。那在這裡邊其實也要利用這個機會,我們一起要請社區跟家長,因為所有造成交通事故的基本上我們可以說都是成年人,來自於社區或者家長的一個接送小孩子。那兒童 |
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臺灣公民參與協會臺灣公民參與協會臺灣公民參與協會臺灣公民參與協會 |
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臨委員好 |
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主席的質詢要聚焦在幾個相關的政策問題,來跟您做一些探討。 因為這些政策不僅影響聲援,還涉及我國社會的多元文化發展,族群和諧,甚至攸關政策的公平性和政府的責任。 |
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每個議題都關乎政府是否能夠誠實面對歷史,是否能夠真正實現轉型正義,並尊重我們社會的多元文化和價值。我在這邊逐一質詢,那麼希望能夠得到院長的具體回應。 |
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首先呢,在針對院長您上週在對高金素美委員質詢時提出的一個回應,本席這邊有很大的一個疑問。上週他在質詢淨法政策的時候,您回應他說,共產黨的話是您的競選口號。這個在當時本席很訝異,我相信也震驚了不少人。 |
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包括本席在內,覺得院長的回應有一點怠忽輕視,還讓人質疑政府到底瞭不瞭解真正原住民的困境和訴求。 這句話不僅是對高精數美委員個人的冒犯,它更讓所有關心原住民族權益的人感到失望,包括本席。 |
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原住民的問題從來都不是只是單純的環保問題,它涉及土地、文化認同還有基本生存權。 原住民族基本法也有規定,政府有責任尊重原住民族的文化生活方式,而高金委員所反映的不是只有他自己的意見,而是我們代表了許多原住民族群體對禁法政策的憂心。 |
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這不應該被簡化成為一個政治口號所以院長您這番言論暴露出我們政治我國政治中長期存在了一個二分法的思維您碰到只要凡是有不同的聲音就視為是對立這種敵我思維不僅讓政策推不動還限縮了公共討論的空間 |
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這樣子的做法也忽視了政策對特定族群的實質影響也削弱了政府作為社會各界溝通橋樑的一個角色原住民族的歷史傷痛和當代的處境常常被忽視而這些問題一直延續到今天的政策當中上週您的回應不僅沒有幫忙解決這些實質的問題還加深了一些傷口 |
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高經委員的質詢不是只有他個人的呼籲,而且還是代表我們許多原住民對政策的深切擔憂。如果政府繼續用政治口號這樣子的方式來應對,那麼轉型正義還能夠落實嗎?本席在這邊。 |
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要求院長向高金委員正式的公開道歉。 這不僅是對他個人的尊重,那更是對所有原住民族的尊重。 您的呼應、您的回應關乎政府是否有能力、有誠意去面對原住民族甚至其他族群的訴求。 院長,請您正視這些訴求, |
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我可以公開說明 |
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我講了這句話之後,後面那句話是什麼?我跟高軍委員說,你的為人民服務是要為全國人民服務,你的全國人民不只有原住民。 |
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請要聽懂這一句話但是您可能忘了,高金委員也一定要為他所代表的族群發聲為全國人民服務,甚至為人民服務應該是大家一起來做的事情也很重要的是您擔任行政院長應有的工作我也必須把人民擺在第一啊我必須把全國人民放在一樣的地位來看 |
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是不是我必須這樣來做每個委員都有他的選區也都有他的支持者他的族群他可以從他的利益出發但必須衡量到全國的橫平性如果一個領域一個族群 |
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委員長,許多人可能不太理解您說的預算如何編列。我想這是行政院很重要的專業。那當然我們知道您在這行政院的編列上其實是沒有將這一筆編組 |
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你們雖然常說可以用別的原住民族發展基金來補足,這點我更是反對,但是這個是編列的專業。我想在這邊,最重要的一件事情是您看待這件事情的心態,還有原住民堅持的核心價值。 |
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只要請委員看一下憲法70條,立法院對行政院預算的審查不能做增加的提議。 |
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謝謝院長謝謝請您思考一下剛才本席所講的話我已經公開說明了好那接下來我們請文化部理部長麻煩請文化部長備選好部長謝謝您好院長部長接下來本席想請問一下部長你要不要跟本席講一下這個人權博物館您所了解的人權博物館 |
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我所了解的人權博物館,原來它是一個在景美的一個看守所,那後來把它改建成人權園區,然後保留了所有當時的狀態,然後裡面也...謝謝部長,那您有去看過嗎?您有去過人權博物館嗎?我不但有去,我還帶學生去做田野調查,然後請他們...好的,謝謝,那你應該知道本席接下來要講的東西,那麼人權博物館是推動轉型正義很重要一個機構,您認同嗎? |
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所以在人權博物館,理應當全面呈現我國各族群的歷史經驗與人權問題。但是我們常看到的,如果您也常去,大部分的策展,本席所看到的,都是集中在白色恐怖時期,對其他歷史時期的壓迫、關注卻嚴重不足。 |
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根據國家人權博物館的組織法博物館應當推動當代人權理念的發展所以我們來看一下這個數據這是人權博物館的數據在策展方面其實有點相當失衡33個從你們開館到現在的展覽有20個是白色恐怖時期的主題佔比已經大約快70%了那個時期的壓迫和不公 |
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當然是重要的,但是在日治時期對原住民族、敏克族群殖民式的壓迫,那麼以日本人對原住民還有敏克的壓迫為例,五年李凡計劃所造成的歷史傷痛,也沒有被人權博物館納入討論的範圍。在你們115本書籍出版當中,79本就跟白色恐怖時期相關,佔比已經差不多70%了。 |
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所以在這個展示當中是不是反映政府在面對族群歷史的時候長期存在了偏見難道我們轉型正義只有白色恐怖嗎那其他時期的歷史傷痛呢另外在不義遺址 |
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的定義上也犯了一樣的錯誤考慮到我們各個族群都有被壓迫的經驗甚至現在可能都也有我們應該涵蓋所有歷史時期的壓迫事件而不是針對某個政黨的錯誤這樣子的展示不僅是會喪失歷史的全面性而且有的時候無法還原整個歷史那會變成一種政治勢力單方面的操作歷史 |
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我期待這樣一個展示在人權博物館上能夠好好的來檢討將不同的時期不同的階段並用不同的視角多重的視角來讓大家能夠好好的了解歷史 |
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我們才不會再重蹈歷史的錯誤。所以本席在這邊希望院長、部長正面回應,我們是不是可以拒絕一個選擇性的操作,讓轉型正義的目的,是促進歷史的正義和族群的和解。 |
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因為許多研究顯示,現階段,許多民眾對於轉型正義的信任度不高。 民眾不信任促轉會,民眾不同意轉型正義對和解有幫助。 |
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民眾認為轉型正義只是政黨鬥爭,這是一個研究報告,所以可不可以簡單回應,未來在展示的內容上,可不可以多講?我可以,我很想回答,因為最近我們才要求人權博物館辦了一個人權電影展,人權電影展裡面就是講族群 |
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我希望我們人權博物館跳脫您剛才講的那個問題,可以盡到所有的人權,但是白色恐怖被壓迫的人是不同的族群,白色恐怖被壓迫的是各種族群。所以接下來我們來探討一個問題,因為院長就沒機會講話了,但是我們來探討一個問題,您每次講話都讓我非常的感動, |
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但是我所看到您的作為都讓我非常的疑問來5月22號在我們的教育文化委員會當時您剛上任中正紀念壇轉型有許多委員提出了問題所以您說應該要建立在全民共識的基礎上 |
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當時有人問到你有關於一對的在堂體跟戶外。 您說到一對不應該是政權轉換的工具。 您當時也在徵求各界來對未來的想像有所討論。 但是讓我很難理解的是一個月後您的態度突然轉變。 突然間 |
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一、對就被規定在7月中必須移出堂體。那我不知道在這個過程當中包括連本席都沒有參與任何的討論,所以您當時講的話其實讓我非常感動,非常的人性化,但是您做的,我們看到的這個回應,實時的作為是讓我們非常疑問。 |
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總政紀念堂的轉席一對一出堂體有全民共識嗎?為什麼您的態度在這麼短期間就轉變了?這樣的轉變有基於充分的討論嗎?還是有其他政治性的考量?所以這個部分本席提醒您在您剛才講人權博物館的未來的同時希望您能夠言行合一最後我們還是探討一個文化政策的議題 |
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臺灣臺語政策我想您應該知道這個政策一推出引發了不小反彈在上週的內政委員會您知道多少委員針對這個定義還有這個議題提出了很多看法好幾位委員質疑臺灣臺語這個名詞是否符合國家語言的定義這個名詞有沒有侵犯其他語言的地位不知道您有沒有注意到上週是次長 |
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來這個會議當中,次長回應說,臺灣臺語是國家語言之一,地位和原住民族語、客家語、馬族語、臺灣手語等一樣,並沒有想要侵犯其他語言的意思,那麼很加會次長,但問題是, |
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從其他族群的角度來看,這不就是一種文化上的侵犯嗎?定定國家語言政策的初衷,如您所講的,本來就是要傳承跟保護濱維或者是台灣多元的語言文化,但是台灣台語的推動,您真的考慮到其他族群的感受嗎?為什麼在全民還沒有共識之前,您最近在舉辦10月13日剛結束的2024國家語言發展會議的11場論文時, |
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文化部就直接關上了臺灣、臺語這個名詞,形成了全民共識了嗎? |
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這樣做有沒有單方面的決定呢? |
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文化部 |
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您可以讓各族群再充分討論,再推動這個政策嗎?部長,臺灣台語政策的推動必須要在全民共識上,不能忽略其他族群的感受,包括本席作為一個原住民。政府和文化部應該要重新審視你們幾個有爭議的文化政策,避免文化沙文主義和選擇性操作的陷阱。本席提醒文化, |
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院長,只有在沒有包容的文化政策上,會是另外一種壓迫。謝謝。謝謝林倩琦委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第11號吳佩奕委員請質詢。 |
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主席 |
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吳委員好 院長好 剛剛因為前面林倩琦委員有提到 台語正名的議題 因為我也是教委會的委員 那這個議題呢在教委會其實經過很多委員充分的討論 以及有相當多的民間團體長期在關心 並非沒有討論 尤其我也是提案人之一 所以我希望教育部還是要來聆聽民間的聲音 因為我們最重要是希望我們國家的多元族群 |
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臺劇是我們未來的很重要的發展。 院長您就說您休息的時候甚至還看了很多的戲劇。 所以我想人選之人院長您應該看過吧? |
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25607.43 |
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人選之人入圍亞洲內容大獎,其中陳炎飛也拿下亞洲最佳新人獎。 現在我們正在上映的小燕和吳愛麗拿到了韓國釜山國慶電影節評審團大獎。 |
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臨遠部長對媒體說,現在正是臺灣電影的最好時機。 所以我想這都是很多人,很多年我們政府給予臺灣的影視,也就是我們現在講的臺流,很多的支持所展現的成果。 |
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但是除了影視之外音樂尤其是臺灣的流行音樂文化我想這也是我們臺灣非常非常強有潛力的產業尤其除了產業以外像我自己我個人從小學開始我們就喜歡聽流行音樂其實這個音樂的內涵對於我們的人格養成對於我們的思想思考甚至個性我想都有很大的影響所以我認為我們政府絕對 |
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有必要也有責任來支持我們本土音樂的產業。 那我們看到在我們臺灣的音樂發展當中其中嘻哈音樂正在崛起當中我們臺灣有非常多很有潛力的嘻哈歌手甚至舉一個例子像熊仔熊信寬我們以前他臺大應該算是我學弟 |
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他在我們的金曲獎當中是在各個類型的音樂當中脫穎而出拿下了金曲獎最佳華語專輯這是一個很高的殊榮肯定那像我們賴清德總統就職的時候 |
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也找來了客家歌手王宗維、台語歌手柯瀟來演出過去總統府的音樂會,曾經也邀請過阿夸麵。 院長、部長、我想你們應該都認識阿夸麵,他就是在臺灣自製的嘻哈選秀節目大嘻哈時代第二季脫穎而出的冠軍。 |
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所以說用嘻哈這個音樂的類型來唱出我們臺灣本土的故事或者是歌手個人的思想 |
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的發揮這個已經是展現出非常大的才華那我作為一個大嘻哈時代的粉絲其實因為我們在IG上面看到說第三季即將也要再上映了所以呢我也希望說我們的院長是不是可以跟我一起來努力我們一起來承諾說我們政府要可以給臺灣的流行音樂產業更強力的支持 |
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謝謝委員我真的應該跟委員多多學習因為我們這個年紀我們的旋律的能力都比不上這個節拍啦所以我們要努力去學習這麼快的變速而且他的很多在唱的過程當中語言的表達能力非常非常的強 |
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前幾天在高雄打狗雞,滅火器主唱楊大正跟歌迷分享一段對話。 |
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他就說因為現在臺灣有些歌手如果要進入中國市場的話必須要有些政治表態那很多歌迷可能因此就很傷心那大陣就跟歌迷說如果你很傷心你可以選擇離開但你不要出征那臺灣路線不是一條好走的路所以我不能要求每一個歌手藝人都要走這條路 |
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但是呢,作為歌迷傷心可以離開,作為政府,我想我們不能離開。臺灣路線當然不是一條好走的路,我們政府有責任,把這條路鋪得更加的安穩。我非常的希望,說院長能夠承諾,我們能夠給臺灣的音樂產業更多的支持,好不好? |
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大嘻哈時代在參加軍中獎的時候我當時是評審我也給他最佳音樂獎跟創新獎大嘻哈時代所帶領的新的這些選手給我一個很大的震撼就是臺灣要發展出自己的音樂嘻哈是一個非常好的 |
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二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、 |
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我在這裡跟委員保證,除了大嘻哈時代這種節目之外,我們會繼續努力推出一些音樂劇,甚至於到國際上去辦這種音樂劇,把這個大嘻哈這種東西成為我們台灣音樂的一個特色。是,這個在大聲對歌迷的呼籲當中,其中關鍵,我想院長也很清楚,就在於市場。 |
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有,是我們做的研究,像馬來西亞它的定期會有嘻哈的那個表演,我們會尋找 |
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文化也是我們新南向政策非常重要的一環,是不是可以請院長來大力支持? |
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好的,謝謝,跟委員學習,一起來。好,謝謝,請部長請回。接下來我想請教院長的是,我們現在新推出,農業部跟教育部,斑斑有限耐政策。我先說,我個人認為,上路太倉促,以及沒有提出配套。 |
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那當初叫做斑斑有鮮奶,現在實際上以台北市來說,因為各校要勾選一院嘛,有九成的學校都選擇保久乳,所以目前現況是叫做斑斑保久乳。那我想不知道院長有沒有相關的了解,我們是不是可以做得更周全一點? |
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沒有錯,在提供給地方政府跟學校來選擇的過程當中,現在有75%都選擇了飽酒乳。事實上它也可以適度的增加學童在鈣吸收方面的營養,但是我覺得我完全贊成委員所說的,在推出的時候可能私率上還有所欠缺。所以我們這一次是訂了三個月的短約,到今年年底。那明年的我已經速度要求農業部跟教育部都要從長計議。 |
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要設計一個完全可行不要增加學校負擔而且地方政府也能夠配合同時運送過程當中也能保證他的安全進到教室裡面去不增加教職人員跟學生太多負擔的狀況底下我們才可以實施那至於說目前已經在契約當中的 |
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我還是可以檢討啦,我覺得我的用意可能在於說,如果學校真的有困難,地方政府也沒有辦法有強力的配合的話,那是不是我們不要太強制,但是已經在上路的這些學校,我們還是盡量的保持最好的狀況來提供給他們。 |
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那當中還有沒有什麼可以補救的措施希望教育部能夠提出但是這個時間非常有限因為只有剩下兩個多月的時間做那個補救可能時間上都很緩所以應該是兩個一個是已經上路的持續的往更好的方向去走但是有困難的有質疑的有能力還沒有辦法搭配上來的那我們不要做任何的強制但這樣可能對小朋友的選擇來看會有一些失落但是我們明年從長計一來做處理 |
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是,為什麼一定要在這個總統選舉的時候提出來呢?因為我想我們絕對是有能力做更周旋的考慮,因為我覺得你們做得好,我們一定給肯定,但是該檢討我們還是要正式問題來檢討,像過去,因為我在過去是市議員嘛,這個院長知道,我們長期在關心教育,我在教委會,像我們的營養午餐,學校辦理有很嚴謹的程序,光是那個標準的SOP, |
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有16項然後呢每一項要簽超過那個表格確認的要超過30個所以你包括你的驗收配送衛生管理等等相關的一定都是經過考慮的所以我想教育部是非常的有經驗過去我們都在推動國產履歷實材三章一出的時候 |
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現在的要求是明年度的新的實施如果沒有像做到剛剛委員所說的 |
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地方政府學校透過團善或透過更好的機制能夠讓他保存和安全送到班上去的話那明年這個我也不會貿然來同意實施 |
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好,謝謝院長,接下來要討論也是教育的問題,是老舊校舍的改建,因為行政院過去是有專案的預算在支持的,但是今年我目前看來是只有一般補助款,那過去我在議會我都在教文會,所以我們每一年審預算的時候,我們是一間一間學校的預算在審,這院長非常了解。 |
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所以我們目前臺北市的現況來說10年以內臺北市超過50年的老舊校舍就會超過5成也就是過半喔也就是說我們臺北市有一半以上的孩子在10年之內假設我們現在不開始改建的話他們會在50年以上的老舊校舍當中學習 |
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一臺14到118 |
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是,那這個計畫未來是不是要送到由行政院來核定呢?是,那我們已經在作業當中了嗎?這個是114年到117年?是,沒錯,就是明年度。那之前我們98到111, |
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三百五十億的老舊校舍改建計劃全國邀請用,那這個預算行政院合定了,接下來這是不是要送到立法院來審查? |
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二十年以後,臺北市有八成五以上的孩子都要生活在 |
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三、5、6、7、8、9、10 |
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那這個細則我看了一下9月出來的細則裡面就包含了行人友善區行人優先區目的就是因為外媒曾經說我們台北市是行人地獄那一張照片就學童走在很危險的這個道路上是在我們台北市松山區所以我一直非常的關注那我們最近出來的細則行人友善優先區我覺得非常的好所以我收到很多家長打電話來說期待是不是可以從學校周遭先開始來實施 |
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可是因為細則出來到現在不到一個月我只看到細則還沒有看到預算所以我想要請問一下院長因為他法規的主管機關不是教育部這個未來我們預算會怎麼來處理呢 |
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我們在520之後就制定了這個永續提升人行的安全計畫,其中針對學校周遭的這個校路口,我們預計在年底之前改善200個學校來做目標,那目前已經改善了49處。 |
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那未來我們會希望在所以還有兩個多月當中盡量 這個危險路口改善的預算計劃非常重要我看到因為我們台北市已經爭取好多但是行人友善區行人優先區他是另外一個計劃這個要拜託院長好不好 799的路口現在已經改善了435處 |
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這些相關的數字可以在我們道安總動員的儀表板上面都會呈現出來 |
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好那最後一件事情呢也是希望要請院長來幫忙是臺灣的太空自主因為我們兩年前其實我們曾經有成功發射自製的科研火箭那當時賴清德總統那時候還是副總統他臉書有發文說哇這歷史性的一刻那我們現在臺灣的太空自主我們要持續的來發展我們非常的希望我們能夠拼臺灣的 |
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好,謝謝吳佩儀委員﹖謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢﹖謝謝接下來登記第12號﹖第13號﹖羅美玲委員及黃潔委員之質詢均以書面提出﹖請行政院書面答覆﹖並列入紀錄刊登公報﹖再接下來我們請登記第14號﹖張雅玲委員請質詢 |
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主席,我可以先試一下投影筆嗎?因為上次質詢的時候對不準,因此跳不出來。好,可以,謝謝。謝謝,那我們有請卓院長跟教育部長。麻煩請卓院長、教育部長備選。三委員好。 |
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院長好部長好那其實因為我想在巴黎奧運的時候我們曾經奪贏這次臺灣的選手表現非常右翼讓我們所有臺灣的同胞臺灣的人民都感覺到非常的振奮那我們也看到說行政院後來也啟動了一系列的一些計畫那同時因為在這次的 |
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這次的計劃其實也有討論到一些黃金計劃是不是要再怎麼樣優化所以我這邊有一些想要提醒的部分第一個部分就是說我們目前的補助雖然是得到金牌第一級最高級是1500萬但是其實我們也非常清楚的知道網球或是高爾夫球它的費用相對是比較高的所以其實每個項目所需要的經費即便是第一級 |
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委員長的看法如何? |
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我想謝謝委員關心,確實因為不同的這些運動項目,他所要投注的時間跟這個場域還有許多的,因為這個項目本身他的一個許多的經費的投入確實是有差別的。我想這個部分我們怎麼樣來適度的去考量各個不同的運動項目,我想這是我們要來努力的。 |
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好,因為其實這個訓練項目,因為其實像參賽術好了,像網球一年有30幾場比賽,那有些可能桌球、羽球一年只有十幾、二十場這樣,所以這個場次其實就對它的訓練費、出國參賽費用差異呈現一個非常大的,所以非常感謝部長願意一起來調整。那下一個部分,就是說其實也有選手跟我們反映, |
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說他就算是拿到了1500萬的話,舉例來說他如果覺得自己是頂尖的選手,他需要的培練員可能是一個月4.5萬,可是因為我們現在這個經費是每次都還要去申請, |
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他申請的時候可能就會核給他兩萬六千塊然後跟他說你可以找本土的選手本土的培練員大學畢業生或是高中碩士畢業生等等的可是對一個頂尖的選手我們可以來想想看這樣子怎麼有辦法配合他來練習呢所以我在想我們這個申請的因為我們大部分的選手其實他就是一個人 |
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他沒有像國外有這麼完整的一個經紀人的制度那變成說他一邊要忙於訓練忙於比賽還要處理這些行政事務對於選手來說我覺得實在是太曲折了那是不是我們可以來檢討這個流程讓他不要這麼奔波呢 |
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我想請教院長你認不認同我講的這句話沒有金牌教練就沒有金牌選手有金牌教練一定會出高徒 |
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對但是有時候沒有狀元老師也會有狀元學生是沒有錯啦但是我想就是教練才是一個非常重要支持選手的一個力量整個過程其實都是非常重要我想院長自己過去也曾經是足球選手教練的陪伴跟支持跟訓練都是非常重要的可是你知道嗎我們的曾志強教練他現在回到基層去 |
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他現在薪水只變成六萬塊這是我知道之前因為其實我們有開一個公聽會來講這件事情那我也知道教育部其實有在討論 |
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那我先想順便提醒一件事情就是說除了我們這些如何我們如何我們這薪資要如何去做調整來吸引更多好的選手或是教練願意留在基層幫我們培養更多優秀的運動員畢竟我們講的是全民運動嘛對不對他要有全民運動才會有競技運動嘛那可是院長你幫我看一下我紅色框出來的這三個數字哪一個是高級教練哪一個是中級教練哪一個是初級教練的薪資呢 |
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這三個薪資總額跟家籍都一模一樣 |
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我們的高級、中級跟初級的教練加給薪資都一模一樣的時候我覺得他就有一個很大的問題我們如何 這個教練他要前進的動力就會下降嘛 對不對因為我不管怎麼樣反而等著都是年資的累積我薪資才會成長嘛所以我也想了解說我們其實我知道也都有在討論那現在目前的一個進度跟規劃是什麼呢會去做調整嗎 在這個部分 |
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我跟委員報告剛剛委員提到這麼多的問題我比較一個理想性的想法我們之所以要把一個全新的運動部出來我就希望說他能夠納進更多的現役選手跟教練甚至裁判我們首先把他請他擔任我們的諮詢小組的委員希望能夠用更貼近現在整個運動界大家正在執行的一些目前的策略跟目前的政策 |
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讓更貼近選手跟教練之所需要我們希望未來的新的運動部能夠朝向這樣去走那才是一個所謂真正全新的運動部 |
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瞭解,我也知道其實大家就是院長跟所有的部會其實都有非常積極的在處理這些相關的細節那我今天提出來這幾個問題也希望在內部一併的來討論一併的來思考那再來我想給院長看一個我覺得蠻重要的事情前面也有委員提到體育賽事的一個運動統戰但是這個運動統戰並不是只有在賽事等級已經是在國中小階段 |
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臺灣籍教育委員 |
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根委員 確實我們這一個 |
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會有在不同的一個時段裡面就會聽到有這個許多兩岸的這些運動的交流會有一些我目期待我想我想因為時間比較有限我想提醒一下因為我想可能大家並沒有注意到這一端的部分那如果有也非常好那如果沒有的話我們現在必須開始來關注這一面因為我發現 |
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教練他們會彼此通知彼此,因為費用全免嘛,語言相通,行政又很有,就可以幫,他們又會處理所有行政事務,對教練來說是一個好康到最棒。那其實有家長跟我反應,他說其實我也不希望我小孩去,可是我也不知道我可以去哪裡,我還有什麼選擇,那為了小孩好,教練這麼說,他也就配合了。 |
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那其實我們現在有一個兩岸體育交流規範可是這是教育部下面體育署的一個規範而是你看它上面有寫說不得組隊前往大陸地區參加其指稱之全國性體育運動如果有競速告知本署依法處理那我想我們現在我是找不到任何可以處理的方法 |
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我想可能這一塊我們必須要盡快的補強,因為如果他還是拿我們一些相關的補助經費的話,平常訓練有拿一些補助經費的話,我們必須應該要做一些,盡快的做一些事情。 |
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那這個呢,這個就是我剛剛講的,其實他們就覺得這個,因為中國這個全包的這個服務對他們來說非常非常方便。那我們其實就有跟他們討論說,那新南向計畫你們的想法是什麼?那教練就有講,其實新南向計畫並不是所有的品項在新南向國家都是好的,這是第一個。那如果像是足球啦,他們當然可以去到泰國啊, |
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韓國瑜主席 |
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雖然我知道我們有非常多的學校對我來這個申請可是我覺得我們也必須要來考慮就是說除了我們剛剛講制定相關的法則我們也應該要研議喔新南下國家是可以有不同的補助額度這樣才能夠增加他們往南邊走嘛去我們想要他們去的地方嘛那同時呢第三個就是說我們是不是可以建立一個國際交流的平台公開一地訓練的相關聯繫資訊 |
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因為其實有很多家長告訴我啦,其實為了他們也沒有希望政府來補他錢,可是你至少讓我知道我可以去哪裡,對,那我們就可以去選擇那些方向去。像我也知道台灣有非常多的日本足球隊,他們這幾年都去了日本,那這部分是不是可以,我們可以趕快來補強,趕快來處理呢,院長? |
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是的,透過中性的活動來達到特定目的的文化的入侵,這是一直存在的。政府的責任在於告訴國人必須要有這樣的戒心,同時給國人知道我們有提供一些比較正確正當的管道,可以讓大家去從事必要的活動。我想這個將來我們在這個地點的選擇,合作的對象,甚至經費的補助各方面,我們朝這個方向來努力。 |
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對,尤其我是希望說這個就是因為我們現在的這個兩岸運動交流體育交流規範條規範其實相對來說是沒有任何的處置啦這個可能也需要盡快來思考如何來補強那再來就是剛剛院長其實有講到我們如何讓我們的 |
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民眾有意識有意識這件事情非常重要因為昨天我們的蔡英文總統也去捷克在這個論壇裡面她特別強調了民主是臺灣不可妥協的一部分我們要透過全社會的努力與志同道合的盟友進行安全的合作我們還是臺灣的公民社會都會自發性的來捍衛臺灣來之不易的民主所以我也就認為我們今天我們 |
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的很多的教練他可能做這個選擇第一個部分當然費用的確是一個部分行政院的確是一個部分但是呢是不是讓我們的小孩子呢可以有一個更確立的一個本土史讓他建立一個所謂對威權識別的一個敏感度對他來說他去的時候也還可以去感覺到這個好像有點問題所以 |
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我們現在其實是有做一些教育部其實也做了一些走讀活動對老師做的成果也不錯但是我只是在想我們都要等老師有意識了再來做這個研習然後再回去設計教案再讓小孩子來上課我覺得這個速度有點慢面對我們現在統戰這麼無網不路的一個狀態之下我覺得我們速度要加快所以呢 |
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我想就是因為我們也上個會期行政院也提出了一個不義遺址的條例嘛那不義遺址最重要就是活化這件事情那我就在想啊我們是不是呢因為他遍及北中南嘛我們是不是可以編列相關的校外教學的預算帶著孩子去到這些地方聽他們說故事 |
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看這邊發生了什麼事情因為我剛好這次去聯合國的這個世導團的時候我也去拜訪了紐約轉型正義中心的總部他們跟我說帶著孩子去看這邊發生什麼事聽到那邊人說的話那個效果是最好的所以我們是不是可以往這個方向來努力呢 |
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跟委員報告確實這個方向是我們現在在努力的而且我們也確實也鼓勵各個學校中小學在戶外的一個教學裡邊能夠把相關的像人權博物館或者這些不遺遺址的這些都納入一個學習的一個場域我想本土教育的一個本土台灣主體性的一些教育我想這是我們 |
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教育重點在人才培育裡面我想我們會很努力因為其實台灣這些遍佈各地的這一些不易移植其實相對當地也都有一些文化團體在地的團體在做相關的文史我們是不是可以就是說補助一些有一些相關的補助可以讓學校去申請或是讓這些團體去申請然後讓學校都可以往這個地方免費的去就像故宮有一些計畫就是我們可以讓大家來 |
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謝謝委員,確實我們事實上是有編這個在國教署相關的一些還有教育部相關的一些經會裡面是有這樣的一個經會在補助的。 |
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現在比較是補助給老師、學生比較少就民間的一些NGO團體他對一些相關的地方文史文化我們也會鼓勵他來怎麼樣再跟這個學校跟地方來補助包括地方他怎麼樣去做許多的這個在地的文史的一個工作的發展我想我們這個部分會跟這個文化部來做更密切的一些合作 |
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好,因為我還是希望就是說,因為其實在台北好了,他們都會有就是說你可以免費去兒童心得園一次,每個學校都有一次,或是有一些像故宮等等的,那其實這就會讓老師在校外教學要安排的時候,他就會先排那個地點。 |
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所以我覺得這個部分我們是不是可以再約個時間來詳細的討論如何吸引大家那我就想請教院長這是你上班的地方嘛對不對是那這也是一個不義遺址嘛對不對今年掛牌上掛牌成為一個不義遺址嘛那我就想說因為其實我們現在禮拜五早上都有一個導覽但是也有民眾跟我反映在這個導覽過程之中並沒有講到雖然講稿好像是有寫但是他在導覽的過程之中是沒有講到這是一個不義遺址 |
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謝謝張雅琳委員的資訊謝謝卓院長及相關首長的對詢接下來 |
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我們請登記第15號李坤城委員質詢 |
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謝謝院長。我們請卓院長還有我們的政部長。麻煩請卓院長、教育部長開始備詢。李委員好。院長好、部長好。辛苦了。今天我應該是最後一位質詢。 |
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主要毒品之外還有嗎? |
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另外可能是一些霸凌事件是 這個霸凌的事件然後你剛才院長有提到就是說這一個藥物濫用毒品的問題然後我把這個吸菸人口增加我會把它納進去那當然還有很多問題那我今天就這三個問題來就教院長還有部長那根據這個林傳媒他們在9月份做了一個民調 |
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在國小階段關於校園安全還有校園霸凌的問題這個是大家所關心的排名是第二名高達六成左右的民眾來關心但是到了這個國高中階段的話呢校園安全還有校園霸凌這個排位在第一名表示說到了這個國高中階段大家對於校園霸凌是非常的重視這是一般民眾的一些問卷看法然後還有呢臺灣兒童權利公約聯盟 |
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在10月初有做了一個調查,它是針對將近3800位的這個小六的學童所做了一個霸凌的一個調查。然後其中有36.4%的兒童有被霸凌的經驗,46.1%有霸凌的經驗。然後有兩成的這個小六的兒童是有被霸凌,但是也有霸凌其他人,就是受害者但同時也是加害者。 |
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這是特別針對小六的兒童的一個調查好那我就是要來問這個院長跟部長這個在我們教育部有一個校園霸凌通報還有這個確認的這一個案件的這個統計表那我來看的話呢通報數是越來越多 |
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但是確認率是越來越低,從30%降到11.4%,我們當然不希望說有冤案,但是成案率低,也會造成通報意願低,形成霸凌的黑數,這些都會變成後來霸凌的悲劇。我隨便舉幾個例子,就最近的例子。 |
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就是有通報但確認率很低的在今年的1月份有台北市某國小是一個學生涉及長期的霸凌但是他後來被學校列為當選模範生而且還上台接受表揚然後議員就質疑說校方的通報失靈然後在8月份在新北市某個國小的學生也是用巴掌霸凌同學但是這個孩子已經要生 |
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我中了,那家長還沒有收到調查的結果啦,那兩張沙灑我舉這兩個例子,所以我就要請教一下,院長,這為什麼這個通報數會越來越高,但是呢確認率是越來越低,這問題是出在哪裡呢? |
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謝謝委員提醒 這個必須要很真實的去檢討跟反應 我一向主張政府所有的資訊應該正確而公開 讓大家能夠來了解這個事實提供更多的意見 我們才能做有效的管控 這兩個案件都發生在不久的之前 |
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地方政府的教育單位應該要有一個很完整的說明,也應該用這個來告訴所有的人。 其中我舉兩個案子,那我只是要來說明就是說那為什麼我們這一個通報率這麼高,確認率會這麼低,到底問題是出在哪裡?我不是講個案,我是講整體的一個現象。 |
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跟委員報告確實我們就是擔心說校園有一些這個霸凌的行為被遮掩也就是形成黑素所以我們鼓勵這一個老師這一個教育人員只要有學生之間彼此的一些可能的一些言語或者肢體或者網路或者可能疑似的全部都一定要通報沒有通報的話他事實上是會受到這個懲處的 |
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那也因為這樣大概就是說只要有這一個儀式他全部大大小小全部可能同學之間的一些玩戲上所以他這個通報數就增加了我們本來就是希望不要這一個 |
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通報以後他會學校會有一個一定的一個審查的一個機制所以這一個審查機制就會按照這一個我們所定義的這些霸凌的一些行為裡面做一個比較詳細的一個這樣一個審查所以這一個 |
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這一個通報數多然後到時候確認的是比較少我想這也是一個可能在校園裡邊因為我們在鼓勵老師在不要讓任何一個學生提醒院長跟部長就是說你的2021的這個確認率到172022年到11這個數字降得太快 |
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學生輔導法修正法案也送到立法院來,也正在審查。 |
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三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案 |
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有這個背景的年輕人不願意來學校當老師或是說當了老師不願意去處理這些問題像很多的學校裡面現在當導師的都是代理老師 |
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文明報告確實這一點我們也 |
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在這個跟地方在希望能夠透過一個大家的一個溝通協調能夠讓這一個減少這個代理老師為什麼因為地方考慮到許多的因素包括這個少子女化這個學生人口他們預估了他這個未來所以在許多的教師銀額他並沒有真正的把它釋放出來每年去 |
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第二、吸菸人口增加 |
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這次按照國建署的這個資料,110年的這個資料,國中生吸菸是2.2%,然後到了高中值的話上升到7.2%,這是止菸。 電子菸的這個使用率提高了,在107年的時候國中生是1.9%,到110年上升到3.9%。 |
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然後高中生呢?高中職生呢?從3.4%上升到8.8%這是電子菸所以你看子菸好像沒什麼增加但是電子菸增加了很多電子菸增加了很多有一個問題就是說它很容易取得電子菸很容易取得那你知道院長這個電子菸我們是不能在網路上販賣的 |
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但是呢現在你在網路上要買電子煙相當相當的容易按照這個國建署在今年1月份發布的資料是去年底他總共開出了3343萬的罰單那這應該都是這個平台上面的賣家或是個人去罰他們的然後呢集中在三個平台這個Facebook、IG、露天拍賣等等我認為院長要注意一下 |
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這個開出了這個三千多萬的罰單裡面,應該都是罰個人,罰賣家,有沒有罰平台?有沒有?我們過去對平台是沒有辦法,因為它沒有落地就沒有辦法納管。未來我們在新的打詐司法當中,我們要求在台灣的平台,你要落地,要管理,你做廣告就必須真實。是可以罰,嘉義縣它有罰。 |
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加一線他就罰那個平台,罰了40萬,所以平台不是不能罰,我們打在就是說要求他們落地嘛,要做處理,我是希望說,這個電子煙尤其像剛我提到的這三個主要的平台,大部分都集中在這三個平台,要去注意,就是說不能賣電子煙,那可是罰不到他們啊,我認為就是說,不管是這個 |
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這當然跟教育部有關係,但這跟速發部有關係。我認為在電子菸容易取得這方面,我認為要嚴加控管。除了這個賣的人之外,平台也要嚴加控管。不是太容易取得啦,你隨便去Google真的很大,電子菸在網路上太多地方可以買了,這是一個非常嚴重的問題。那我從這個電子菸呢,我再延伸到另外一個問題,就是藥物濫用的一個問題,藥物濫用。 |
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按照教育部今年6月有來立法院做一個報告這個藥物濫用問題在111年國小、國中、高中、大專合計起來是400位到了112年483位有增加今年1到4月報告是151位但是到了8月應該是將近300位了 |
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那這個呢,藥物濫用的情況呢,我認為是有增加的這個情況。那我去看了一下,國建署他們的一個報告,當然還是以這個三級的毒品為主。那我現在就要提到了, |
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這個在年輕人流行的這個電子煙當中呢有一種叫做喪屍煙油那依托彌子那當然呢這個我們行政院在今年的8月呢已經公告正式公告為三級的毒品了那這個之前也造成很多悲劇啦光是在我們新北市三重7月份有一位員警被這個西池這個喪屍煙大人撞死了一位黃姓員警被撞死了 |
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然後呢9月底也是一樣是在土城的一位所長劉所長在執行的時候他也是被撞死了然後那個撞他的人身上也有說出這個喪屍煙油那他們是這個我們把這個電子煙跟這個喪屍煙油合在一起來講就是說現在很多的這個電子煙的成分裡面可能會有像這個喪屍煙油或是其他的毒品 |
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這兩個都是違禁的物品 |
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對,任何的違紀物品,我們都希望透過能夠大力的取締,去發掘它的源頭最重要。剛剛委員所說的,我們如果網路上很容易買到,那就是我們很大的一個破口。很容易買到了,你隨便去Google電子菸。對,但是很大一個破口。那我想警政單位也都知道,那現在我們進一步可以加強,以後不僅是嘉義縣可以去處罰平台。全國依照新的法律,如果我們落地之後,納管之後, |
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我們希望能夠加強取締跟管制我們打詐、摘法通過之後就要求剛才講那些數位平台都要落地我們好像是給他到這一個年底的時間我是希望能夠加速因為我們還有19個執法目前正在完成當中完成之後這部大的機器才能夠順暢的來驅動那這個最後再問這一個院長這個剛剛好像有委員問過了就可能沒時間看但是有聽過這一個黑白大廚吧 |
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黑白大廚裡面有一位晉級的李美英,她是韓國國小營養午餐的廚師,很不容易做營養午餐的廚師能夠到黑白大廚裡面進入到前15強。 |
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這在台灣不可能發生,因為在台灣的營養午餐不好吃,你不可能做這個餐廚的廚師能夠晉級到這個黑白大廚裡面去,甚至能夠進入到前面。 那我就比較我們跟韓國好了,韓國呢,他們全部都是由政府來出錢。 |
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社廚房公辦公營當然預算也很高每個孩子每餐的預算高達200塊而且學校廚工也比例很高但是在臺灣有公辦公營、公辦民營、民辦民營不一樣的種類很多最重要的是我們的餐費40到70 |
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跟韓國比,那韓國是由政府來出錢的,我們平均是55塊,那所以我們在這個人事成本跟食材呢,跟韓國就沒辦法比。我舉這個例子是希望說,教育部其實我們都很關心是不是這個營養午餐法能夠提出來。 |
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委員部長我們都應該不定時不預告的去吃吃營養午餐我們才能親身感受到委員所說的如何讓他更好你有空我就帶你一起來吃學校的這個營養午餐很多委員有提出類似這個學校共餐法還要營養午餐那我們也希望說 |
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補人、補專業、永續發展,讓孩子在學校能夠吃得安全、然後吃得開心、吃得健康、吃在地的食材好不好? |
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好,謝謝李坤成委員的質詢。謝謝主委院長。部會所長的備詢,謝謝。 |
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接下來登記第16號王美惠委員之質詢以書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報報言會 |
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本日排定質詢之委員均已質詢完畢。 謝謝卓院長以及相關列席的部會首長列席答詢。 現做以下之決定。 下次會議我們進行交通組織質詢。 報言會現在我們繼續處理復議案。 本院民進黨黨團針對第三次會議報告事項第9案及第63案之決定提出復議案。 請公決案。 現在我們做以下決定。 令 |
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定期處理。 報院會本次會議進行到此為止,現在散會。 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。 二、10月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 三、10月15日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:16 - 16:25:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16168 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16168 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-4 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-15T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-15T16:25:00+08:00 |
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