| IVOD_ID |
161667 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161667 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T09:20:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T09:32:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e381da0d479eb7db56509dba967507ffe11a54d16b4ae569d115676e10478d509482b33612278bb55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:47 - 09:32:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於總統府預算凍結項目共5案。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於國家安全會議預算凍結項目共4案。
【5月19日及21日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席那今天是要處理總統府跟國安會的預算的解凍案那當然我覺得尊重在野黨委員他們的一些看法當然立委是有監督的職責只是到底要說清楚講明白喔 |
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如果說在野黨的委員是真的這麼關心國安的話這麼關心共諜的話那為什麼當民進黨的司法法治委員會的召委莊瑞雄就以同樣的共諜案的主題邀請立法院的周萬來秘書長來列席立法院如何防止共諜滲透安排了四次會議周萬來一次都沒來也沒有請假 |
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所以说不要双标所以如果真的在乎共谍渗透的议题为什么在立法院就可以纵容立法院可以成为共谍渗透的破口吗当然不行但是在要求我们监督立法院自我克责国会自律的时候在野党蓝白的委员是护航包庇周恩来可以不来列席还不请假 |
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對於委員會的藐視絕對是比藐視國會更藐視國會這個是周恩來創下來的惡例第二個如果在野黨的委員這麼的在乎國安議題的話就在昨天程序委員會民進黨委員所提的國安法案被你們擋了第407次 |
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連程序委員會排案都沒有辦法排國安法案就立委附中登載的這件事情被你們擋了407次藍白的委員真的關心國安嗎剛剛 |
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有委員說到國安實法很重要是的 你們終於想起國安實法很重要了到目前為止提案審查國安實法的多數都是民進黨的立委啊 |
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一個月前在內政委員會審查國安法的時候九個版本都是民進黨委員提案的呀反滲透法都是民進黨委員提案的呀在野黨的委員這麼關心國安那真的拜託說到做到未來我們在審議任何國安實法的內容都可以理性正向的討論這才是真正的關心國安 |
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那回到今天委員會要凍結預算我想用過去的一些數字來做說明過去立法院不論誰當家 |
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藍綠誰當家或者是中央執政總統是藍是綠確實在立法院都曾經發生過總統府秘書長或是國安會秘書長因為另有要工而必須請假立法院的委員會這確實不論誰執政都發生過但我用數字來說話 |
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第五届的時候邀請國安會秘書長30次他缺席了12次第六届邀請國安會秘書長出席16次會議他缺席了7次會議第七届的時候八次邀請國安會秘書長他缺席兩次第八届的時候邀了13次缺席10次這是過去 |
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秘書長們循程序來請假立法院過去也都有准假的例子如果以解凍案我再一次用具體的例子這都是議事登載可以查的馬英九執政的時候2010年5月31號第七屆第五會期國安會的預算解凍是由葛光月副秘書長來出席 |
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準價了而且如值如期的解凍了馬英九任內一樣是第七屆2010年的10月對不起2010年第七會期一樣是葛光月副秘書長出席解凍會議也順利解凍了主席準價了 |
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在馬英九執政2013年10月30號第八屆第四次會議的時候也是處理國安會預算解凍當時出席代表是陸副秘書長一樣順利解凍了 主席准假了 |
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這都是議事錄的燈仔過去馬英九當總統的時候國安會作為總統的幕僚機關國安會的預算解凍當然重要啊馬英九前總統當時應該也很重視國安會的每一筆預算的支用因為都關乎國安啊 |
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可是呢在解凍案的時候這三次會議出席代表都是國安會的副秘書長南道藍白的委員剛剛羅志強當時應當就是馬英九的幕僚就在總統府啊 |
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那那個時候難道派副秘書長來處理解凍案就代表國安會不在乎預算嗎馬英九前總統不在乎預算嗎不是這樣嘛所以我用具體的例子過去國安會秘書長來立法院受邀跟請假 |
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的次數不論誰執政立法院不論誰當家循程序請假都有被准假而就扣和今天的解凍案馬英九前總統執政的時候我剛舉了三次會議都是處理國安會解凍案都是由副秘書長當時有被這樣 |
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批評的一文不值批評的國安會不在乎預算嗎我覺得不要兩套的標準不要用這種政治的操作今天國安會的預算有三筆要解凍如果我沒有資料沒有解讀錯誤的話一個是諮詢研究業務一百萬一個是諮詢研究業務兩百萬另外一個呢是針對 |
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徵務人員待遇十萬元就人事費的部分的解凍應當就是特別費之類的這三筆的數額大家我是希望能夠循程序好好來理性討論解凍案 |
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那我也要我剛剛特別請示了一下我請教了一下謝謝主席昨天有接見我們總統府的副秘書長何志偉他昨天去特別跟您報告今天潘秘書長另有要工然後由他來代理預算的解凍然後您轉嫁了其實總統府預算被凍結的數額是國安會的N倍被凍結了應該是2.14億吧國安會就是這個幾百萬 |
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可是這個2.14億的解凍預算呢我們的吳釗燮召委是同意給潘孟安秘書長請假然後由智偉副秘來代理2.14億的解凍預算但國安會的幾百萬的解凍預算呢 |
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就我知道的昨天我們的徐副秘書長昨天下午三點鐘左右也前往了吳宗憲召委的辦公室親自就跟志偉副秘一樣親自跟召委報告說明今天吳兆憲秘書長之所以要請假的理由 |
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但是呢我們的吳昭偉昨天仍在辦公室但他沒有接見我們的徐副秘書長換言之徐副秘書長沒有這麼lucky沒有像志偉秘書長一樣可以見到吳昭偉然後可以順利成功的請假 |
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所以昨天呢 國安會是很重視的就跟今天總統府的秘書長一樣昨天都親自到吳昭偉的辦公室去口頭說明希望能夠准假但是昭偉准了總統府秘書長的假也見了何富密 非常謝謝可是我們的吳昭偉沒有見國安會的副秘書長讓他在那裡等 |
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那徐富密等不到吳釗偉吳釗偉仍在辦公室但他沒有接見我不知道什麼理由不曉得在忙什麼所以造成請假不順利他們一樣非常尊重釗偉可是釗偉對於兩個秘書長的請假的處理顯然也有一些不同的考量2.14億總統府的預算被凍結是史上新高但是釗偉同意用富密來代理解凍 |
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不代表交委就認為總統府的預算比較隨便不重要覆密來就好我相信交委一定都同樣的嚴謹的審視可是就 |
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請假徵詢親自到您辦公室報告要請假這個事情我也不知道張偉為什麼有兩種做法所以說國安會秘書長也好總統府秘書長也好包括我們執政黨我們對於預算都非常的在乎對於總統府的預算前所未有的刪減數跟凍結數我們都希望總統府只剩下九千萬可以用了只剩下九千萬可以用了 |
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事事那就讓總統府的預算我們可以來處理但是我還是請主席當我們尊重大家的意見 要不然人家是要在你身邊你不給人家記名不給人家聽人家的解說不給人家請假的合理理由過去不要人家叫總統的時候解凍案三次都是副秘書長就來了我很想問 劉志強現在沒在了我很想問問 羅志強過去是你的前老闆 你就在總統府 |
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你們那時候也是赴秘書上來做解凍啊不要雙標啦那在乎預算就趕快來審查預算我認為這才是真正的在乎在乎預算我們就 |
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尋程序來尋答如果我們的徐富密招架不住在野黨委員的垂尋他對於國安事務的涉獵沒有達到在野黨委員的要求你們要對解凍案做什麼處置我們是少數黨我們只能尊重啊 |
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可是徐富密在國安領域的服務他的專業我相信上職巡台 職求對決就預算論預算 就國安論國安這才是合理 公平然後我也希望司法法制委員會能夠來進行下面的議程好 謝謝吳委員 |