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內席委員．張祺凱等23人．內席人員．國防部部長顧立雄及所屬人員．主席林昭吉委員．易軍報告事項一宣讀上次會議思路決定確定二﹐邀請國防部部長報告一﹐臺美國防工業會議成效及合作現況與未來展望﹐並備質詢二﹐針對美國軍火商雷神對臺軍售社虛報軍售價格情勢及後續因應及精進作為﹐並備質詢 |
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委員黃仁程旭發言．國防部部長顧立雄．配局局長林文祥．及戰略規劃實施長黃文啟報告委員沈伯陽等23人質詢．均由國防部部長顧立雄．配局局長林文祥．主計局局長謝啟賢．之通電軍指揮部參謀長陳俊良國家中山科學研究院院長李士強 |
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及政治作戰局軍事新聞處處長孫立芳等即席答覆決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二委員口頭質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊請國防會議二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員便附資本會委員另指定期限者從期鎖定宣讀完畢 |
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請問在場委員對於上次會議議事錄有無遺漏錯誤或需要更正之處那沒有的話就那個議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況．並備質詢宣讀完畢那介紹在場的委員陳永康委員 |
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1575.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1592.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
黃仁委員羅美玲委員接下來介紹與會的官員退府會主任委員嚴德發副主任委員傅政成副主任委員陳敬廣 |
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1606.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1607.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
副主任委員吳志揚．早主任秘書簡世峰．總合規劃處處長嚴以剛．服務照顧處處長曹東發．救養養護處處長周星國． |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1635.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1637.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
就學就業處處長慈玉楠就醫保健處處長劉俊政事業管理處處長楊長政退除給給副處處長羅馬可行政管理處處長張光宇 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1666.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1668.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
人事處處長吳妍君政風處處長王文信會計處處長蔡靜滿統計資訊處處長張志強法規會執行秘書陳靜茹臺北榮民總醫院院長陳威明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1698.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1700.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
臺中榮民總醫院院長陳世安高雄榮民總醫院院長陳金順屏東榮民總醫院院長吳東林臺北榮民育理分院院長胡宗明榮民榮眷基金會秘書長李世國 |
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1731.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1734.778 |
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本日會議邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會嚴德發主任委員報告業務概況．並備質詢。請嚴主委上台報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1752.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1772.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
主席、各位委員先進,大家好。今天受邀列席業務報告,自感榮幸。承蒙各位委員先進對本會諸多指導與支持,謹致崇高的敬意和洩誠,為落實政府行動創新精神,強化對榮民、榮眷、退出役官兵及區域民眾服務照顧。 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1773.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1791.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
以各容服處為地區系統資源整合平臺建構容總分院容家三層照護服務網綿密協調合作透過不同機構資源與能量彼此合作提供優質服務照顧落實榮民在哪裡服務到哪裡的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1792.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1805.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
有鑒於臺灣將邁入超高齡社會、榮民及區域民眾長照需求日增。本會16所榮家為全國最大長照體系,擁有豐沛的榮院醫療資源系統,將持續充實榮家能量與高齡醫學照護。 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
1810.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1835.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
各級農業發展尖端醫療﹚加速導入智慧醫療及精準健康設備﹚擴大遠距醫療以及居家智慧照顧﹚落實各農家強化醫養整合資源工作﹚提供農民圈及區域民眾優質全人健康維護﹚以下就本會核心工作服務照顧救養救醫救學救業與事業治理等各項 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
1837.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1847.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
現況．跟未來工作的重點向各位委員再要報告工作之際現況與建構區域服務網路多元服務全新照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
1848.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1871.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
各地融服處,邀集分區所屬機構與投資事業召開整合會議,擴大資源盤點運用與相互支援,共同發掘榮民券及退出役官兵的需求。今年一到八月召開了整合會議八場,使各機構對容量、居家照護、綠色就業通道等協調合作事項更加緊密。 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1872.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1890.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
共同建構以退除役官兵為中心服務照顧模式為建構區域服務網絡將現有榮興志工3171人編成114個隊對聯長單身獨居雙老及家庭支持力不足的榮林眷提供居家陪伴 |
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1891.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1914.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
一、環境改善以及就醫協助等多元化的服務,令以定期或不定期的方式關懷聯繫退出役官兵及眷屬,對特級需關懷服務照顧的對象加強仿視,並主動協助盛裝遠距居家照顧系統,以增加跌倒偵測功能,維護人民居然居家安全。 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1916.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1932.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
經濟高齡照護服務,建構優質醫療環境,增加與家庭化生活照顧,營造溫馨、祥和的居家氛圍,與社會化交流合作,充實功夫住民精神生活,並以智能化醫療照護,優化高齡照顧品質為重點。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1936.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1954.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
目前完成電動護理床2954床的汰換並且應用電動搬孫床及水療沐浴機減少照護員職業性肌肉骨骼的傷害降低長期臥床重症住民壓傷發生的機率提供更優質的照護品質 |
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1956.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1961.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
本會農家於106年2月開始開放地區民眾入住農家,開放床位由原來的451床已經提升到1621床,積極擴大區域民眾服務的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1973.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1997.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
3、依總體營造規劃、醫療合一服務融合的指導臺南農家及臺南市農福處配合都市發展計劃在今年7月12日已經完成搬遷並結合臨街的高雄農民總醫院、臺南肺醫院整合區域資源成為完整的醫、養及服務的園區3、強化三級醫療整合、發展智慧醫療照護 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1999.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2014.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
以為落實農民三級醫療照護、紓解偏遠地區農民醫院醫療人力短促、由醫療基金補助偏遠地區及營運艱困的科別醫師獎勵金、臺北台中高雄人種參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2016.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2033.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
衛福部以資源離島及醫療資源不足地區醫院的緊急醫療照護服務獎勵計劃提升醫療資源缺乏地區及重症照護品質另外補助醫師到偏遠地區的榮總分院或榮家服務截至今年8月總院 |
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2035.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2057.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
總院升師三級醫師至榮總分院服務者共計有346位總院支援榮總分院及榮家有2萬餘人次今年培育醫學系及護理學系公會生有256人及27人較212年培育人數增加14人以充實分院及榮家醫療人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2059.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2083.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
2、臺北、臺中、高雄農種都成立遠距照護中心本會推動遠距醫療品質提升計劃減少農家住民外送就醫減少轉送醫院比率達50%高雄農種開發遠距智慧心電圖的系統進新部協助農家醫護人員迅速判斷住民急性心肌梗塞 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2084.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2112.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
即時處置與治療,自112年1月到113年8月成功搶救多名的心肌梗塞容敏,展各級容院後職研究及教學量能,推動智慧醫療,發展精準照護。2025年全球智慧醫院的排名本會三所醫學中心都有耀眼的成績,臺中榮總榮登全球最佳百大智慧醫院為臺灣唯一。 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2114.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2137.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
臺中榮總為6家合格執行健保卡特基細胞治療醫學中心之一,受案量是全國第二臺北榮總也於今年8月也完成卡特基操作室建置跟認證臺北榮總重力子癌症的治療中心已經完成治療約300餘位的病人並每年保留2%名額供弱勢患者免費療程 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2139.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2153.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
5.各級容量發展智慧長照推動社區預防延緩失智失能介入的措施已經設置109個預防延緩失能的據點失智社區服務據點以及日照中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2156.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2184.729 |
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是產學產訓就業導向施行輔導轉弦職場與國立大專院校進修部共同辦理推正入學增加職場競爭力積極與優質大專院校及企業產學合作同時取得學位工作聯資及實務經驗有助職涯發展與國立企業科技大學等6所學校合作錄取112位退除役官兵展舉辦各類就業媒合活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2185.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2213.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
今年8月拜會臺積電協力廠商遙鴻系統科技公司請各榮福處積極媒合專業人才協助退伍、袍折跟高科技產業就業的媒合繼續發揮人力資源的價值至執訓中心依據國家產業政策企業誘人趨勢對足以官兵就業需求的面向今年已經開辦智能化與機器人等重點產業人才的課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2215.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2239.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
5、今年配合國家產業發展重點也開辦半導體、電動車維修、綠能永續、OpenAI應用、健康照護等熱門產業委外訓練課程,協助培養第二專長,結訓前邀請企業到班徵才,辦理就業媒合活動,並且鏈接促進穩定就業軍貼措施,提升訓後就業率, |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2241.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2245.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
為鼓勵退出役官兵在地參訓在地就業依職涯規劃選擇參加本會公告輔助的訓練班次全國超過15000個 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2254.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2264.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
強化事業機構治理經濟農場土地運用投資事業競技目標提升經營績效今年一到八月份稅前盈餘47億2407萬餘元較去年同期增加8億7014萬餘元安置率41.53%超過本會持股率33.27% |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2275.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2292.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
建置土地巡查管理資訊系統、藉階地震資訊平臺、配合國土署監測變異點、掌握土地狀態、響應自然資源永續政策、農場有機栽培面積到今年8月增加499公頃,佔委員面積比例由21.3提升到35未來工作重點規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2302.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2323.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
為落實榮民圈退出官兵及區域民眾服務照顧本會建構榮總分院榮家三級照護服務網路各榮總以全人照護理念發展智慧醫療高齡醫學照護及社區醫療服務等前瞻醫學研究藉由AI與自動化等科技的智慧醫療提升醫療照顧效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2326.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2343.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
配合退出役官兵職業發展需求,鏈接政府部門跨域合作,推展職能專長對接民間職能,順利就業,在投資事業機會方面持續精進職能管理系統,確保能源設施安全,提升社會防衛韌性,並主動增進 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2346.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2373.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
各國退伍軍人組織情誼,拓展我實質外交,先將未來工作科科重點評述如後。第一,榮光精神讚揚大愛,宣揚榮民愛國精神,為使社會大眾深入認識榮民犧牲奉獻的精神。與今年榮民節及系列活動表揚榮民楷模及社會各界光環榮民付出的善行益舉,並邀請海外社團榮民代表反國同慶。 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2375.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2388.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
剛顯農民隊守護臺灣建設臺灣的貢獻與農民榮建基金會可證籌拍木蘭花開微電影並於今年10月舉辦首映會擴大照顧退役官兵維護袍澤合理權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2390.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2403.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
針對未就養且未符合政府補助資格的弱勢有倔農民將商戰衛生金由1萬提升到3萬元據中低低收入戶資格者調整為4萬元周全服務照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2405.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2423.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
2、參照現行國民年金、公務人員或公立學校教職員退休、長期照顧服務、全民健康保險等原住民年齡相關門檻補助規定、克修正救養安全的安置辦法將原住民身份第一類退出役官兵救養年齡門檻下修為55歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2427.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2450.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
考量退除役官兵．退伍除役後．應有交加醫療照顧的需求．不因其退伍軍階不同．而補助有所差異．可修正就醫辦法．凡擬有榮民政者．至本會所屬醫療機構．就醫．其健保自行負擔費用．由本會全額補助．第三．配合政府長照政策．擴大榮業．融加能量． |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2452.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2463.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
為使區域民眾究竟取得平價優質住宿式長照機構服務,配合衛福部講述部件住宿式長照機構支援的計劃,暨高雄龍整騰五家醫院申請762床 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2466.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2486.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
為緩解失智老人照顧需求本會除章化榮家失智工程在111年已經完工其板橋等五所榮家失智床位陸續在114年到115年完工啟用總數達到1145失智床占全國老人福利機構失智床位的六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2488.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2515.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
3、運用智慧科技照護產品協助照護人員減輕工作負擔提供優質照顧服務規劃114年到117年分年導入智慧床墊各農家與養護區已配置生理建設儀器有100台114年依需求規劃再增購39台目標達100%4、融合科技智慧醫療完善全人健康照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2517.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2524.237 |
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為達健康台灣的目標本會致力創新智慧照顧落實醫療合一強化人家住民 |
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3、為符合政府推動長照3.0精神,運用科技結合醫療與長照服務。 |
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規劃建置居家醫療整合照護服務及社區整體服務照顧平臺一律進行大數據分析打造居家、社區、機構、醫療、社福一體式的服務以達在地安雅、易養合一的目標推動軍民專長轉弦結合AI運用功能規劃建立軍民轉弦對照表提供 |
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職缺媒合,職人導向課程進修監獄等資訊,以縮短待業時間,使軍中專長得以對接民間職務之等。在8月以協請國防部、勞動部、經濟部及教育部召開跨部會會議,就全案達成共識,並協請臺灣AI人工智慧學校指導。 |
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設計導入AI系統,預於115年底完成軍民轉弦應用平台加速銜接職業生涯,持續發揮國軍專業人力資源永續事業機構經營,優化農場服務行銷 |
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農產111年到115年投入11.5億經費,辦理客房設施及油氣環境優化,並訂定災害應變計劃,建構安心旅遊環境,持續辦理投資事業在職進修,提升經營績效。 |
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鼓勵各事業以前瞻思維落實ESG指標,達成有序進行的目標。貼動產學交流與國立貧窮科技大學簽訂合作意向書,開發水稻節水的技術,減少47.8用水量,注重生態保育,所屬農場與執行基金會,農業部林業及自然保育署合作,造林聯機達852公頃。 |
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引進民間企業資源,加以分廠促參科證辦理招商公告,將結合大埔藍色公路油氣廊帶計畫發展,暢連政務協會周邊觀光景點,共同還原地方經濟,以至今年底完成招商作業 |
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5、強化行銷策略,拓展國際觀光,今年11月ICF臺北國際旅展等活動,配合交通部觀光署參加新馬日等國際旅展,行銷農場、市際景色跟優質活動,及深化國際退府交流,有劃護防,鞏固情誼。 |
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本會在華府派駐專人推動對美國退伍軍人事務聯繫、容喬服務並協調美國德州軍人公務今年9月設立了我國二戰期間海外訓練訓職將士紀念碑因紀元政治變化除現有美國及日本外 |
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積極拓展英國、愛爾蘭、捷克友邦、交流、精進退伏、長照措施．予本會為落實照顧服務對象、榮民眷、退屬域官兵及區域民眾以五星守護精神出發．讓現役軍人安心、榮民放心．對社會關心、輔導會有心並持恆用心守護退屬域官兵．令成為榮民眷、退屬域官兵及區域民眾最強的後盾以上報告,敬請各位委員先進、不吝指教 |
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報告完畢 恭喜您知道好 我們現在開始詢答本會委員8加2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘 |
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10點半發言登記截止如有臨時提案請於10點半前提出11點左右是詢答情況情形進行處理現在請羅美琳委員上台質詢謝謝主席有請嚴主委請嚴主委 |
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主委好,就如剛剛主委在這個報告所提到的,我們全台有16所的榮民之家,然後我們有結合了4所的這個榮總跟12所榮總分院的醫療資源的發展這個 |
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委員會主任 |
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入住來擴大資源的共享剛剛主委也有提到為了擴大容院跟容家照顧的能量所以目前我們在板橋巴等5所的容家正在增建失智床位再來在鳳林、玉里、灣橋還有屏東的4所容總分院也都增建住宿室長照機構的床位 |
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對於退府會持續來擴大容院跟容家的照顧量本席是予以肯定可是當然我們要維持照顧的量一定要有充足的 |
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實際辦理業務人數占整體持有人數的比例 |
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對於這個不到60%的實際辦理業務人數來講的話,我們會不會覺得說在人力方面會不足呢? |
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謝謝委員指導,我們目前16所容家8782床,現在目前的佔床率是6987,就是將近有80,將近有8成。那剛剛委員現在公布的這個是實際辦理業務人數占…… |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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另外還有140名社工,這些目前來檢討設置的標準是符合高過老人福利機構設立的標準 |
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所以說您是覺得說這個都是符合這個標準因為我們在實際辦理業務的這個人的內容就是大家包含的行政、醫事、藥事、護理跟社工人員所以我們是覺得說低於這60%的這些人員的配額其實它是符合我們目前所有的標準 |
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主委說的是這樣子嗎?是,我們這邊的資料是護理人員,護理師的人力的一個配置,加上我們的社工人員有140個人。這個兩個數字加起來,現在目前都是符合老人機構的。所以目前並沒有人力不足的問題是不是? |
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人力都沒有問題我看到像板橋台北他們都有都有到70%甚至以上像這個八個榮家有將近80%所以我現在看到的就這幾家都是第一60%在這個比例上來講的話跟其他的榮家比的話他是有一些落差的 |
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那如果像70%、80%的這些榮家的這個實際辦理業務人數他們這樣子的配置是怎樣的一個配置呢?他們是over了嗎?如果說我們這樣子的話都是屬於比較充足的人力的話那其他高達80%的人力配置是怎樣的人力配置呢?可以說明一下這當中的落差嗎?是,我請我們就養處處長跟您做一個詳細的說明 |
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委員好我是救援養護署署長周星國那這個資料是去年我們評鑑的資料那我委請外面的評鑑委員依照老服機構的評鑑標準來評鑑那這個事務人力從去年開始那評鑑委員認為說事務人力是有缺盡快來補食但是在各農家運作上面他整體來看 |
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運作都是沒有問題的他只是提醒我們補食能力那這段時間有關事務能力我們盡快來補食相關的能力營運這個農家運作的需求 |
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目前為止如果說這些60%以下的這個農家那剛剛主委的意思是說實際上沒有人力不足的這個問題那如果這樣子講的話剛剛處長是您剛才講的這樣子的話跟主委講的可能會有一點點的出入因為我們的照護人力是沒有問題因為農家有照護你們的照護人力是屬於這個採這個外包的是不是委外的方式對 我們是勞務委外 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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提到戰床率的部分雖然是說我們後來還是有開放一些床位讓一般的民眾來使用 |
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3190 |
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在去年跟前年同期7月份到7月為止我們有看到整體的床位我記得在上個會期我們退府會有討論過這個占床率的問題當然我現在看到這個數據 |
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委員會主席 |
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3226.827 |
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張華融家 張華融家 |
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這個公費的部分還有61床然後自費還有16床可是我們看到說開放給一般民眾其實還有後住的人數有兩個人在等待那像這個的話能不能再因為它是在同一個榮民之家這可以做調整嘛看起來像我們一般民眾我們開放給民眾的是53床那目前入住也是53床表示它是滿床的狀態還有兩個人在等 |
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可是我們看到就是給農民的公費自費也好可是他目前為止他是有床位的這可以在院內裡面做調整嗎? |
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好像專化榮家他就有這個狀況報告主委我跟您報告一下我們每個禮拜都會檢討這個床位就您講的如果說榮民沒有後住的狀況之下一般民眾有後住那我們會把這個床位轉給一般民眾來那你可能說有些兩個床位那你看那個數據也許他甚至在辦手續中但是這個床位的這個調整我們每週都會在做所以還是會做調整就對了對希望這個資源能夠共享OK好 |
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對,像彰化榮家,您說因為他是兩個後駐人數,也許這個他就會調整到其他的這個床位去可是我看到這個巴德榮家,我們來看看巴德他像他一般安養有分公費跟自費的部分而目前後駐的人數呢 |
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像這個公費的部分有31人自費的部分有21人一般民眾更是高達180人看起來床位非常不足那我們再來看看他這個夫妻安養的部分也是有分公費跟自費 |
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可是像夫妻安養的部分我們公費有18床然後自費有120床那目前他可申請的床數這兩個夫妻安養不管公費跟自費加起來其實有69床是可以是空床的部分那這部分他們如何去做調整這沒有辦法去做調整 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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3402.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3421.69 |
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一般安養的話是否一般安養可以入住一般安養都是單人房嗎全部都是單人房嗎他的空間比較大如果今天一個人住到夫妻房裡面他空間是比較大那其他住單人房的會比較之下為什麼你可以住夫妻房 |
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3422.33 |
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我看到的數據是這樣同一個像巴德榮家 |
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沒床的就沒床,空床就空在那裡,我想這個的部分是沒有辦法做調整。對,我們在做聯合調整,我們實際上從451床已經增加到1635床,就一般的民眾,已經不斷的滾動式的調整。那會按照委員的指導,我們會請各農家評估狀況,如果是可以適當做一些調節就調節,然後地區區域的也可以做一些調整。 |
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3476.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
接下來請陳永康委員上台質詢 |
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我們有請嚴主委請嚴主委主委好我們這麼多年的同事我們不能講我們是在同溫層可是我們是在一個頻譜之內看盡了所有榮家現役退役 |
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過去我們整個退輔會對榮家照顧所做的服務所以您剛才的那個深入報導我個人感受很深因為不管怎麼講我們的人力資源還是相當有限如何能夠最多做出最大的效益這是我們要支持共同努力我剛剛看了一下我的皮夾子我才發現榮民證我每天戴在身上 |
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可是我並沒有想用我個人的身份去換取榮家對我的一點資源而是要把這個量能擴散到其他的服務上去所以我剛才聽到了這些報告以後我下面做的只是建言我們都是軍人出身我們都研究戰略所以我們都了解我們如何設定目標 |
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我們運用什麼方法採用什麼手段目前政府強調的是行動創新這個action innovation實際上這個AI本身裡面就結合了未來的人工智慧在您後面的報告裡面引述出來了所以我們的目的就是 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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我們採用的手段要善用各地的榮民服務處作為信息收集這裏面包括了AI的運用就像剛才前面委員提到的有關床位的調節管理系統那是內部運用的但是因為它是一個動態的並不是每天都可以調節床位的所以資源整合 |
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委員會主席 |
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一流需求的前提下 |
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正確、善用的綠色通道的規則確保醫療流程的效率與服務品質減輕病患等待期間焦慮的心情與病痛我們在民間常常講一些意外狀況如果有三長兩短那是一個民間的講法但是我們現在反映到什麼呢就是掛號排隊的時間長 |
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等候看病的時間長領藥檢查的時間長可是真正因為受選於原力之源醫療體系醫師所以看病問診的時間短解釋病情的時間短我們有些老農民實際上以我們專業醫生論述的講法他的專業背景聽不懂這種疫情的狀況症候的狀況所以我們慢慢來調整了變成了三短兩長 |
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讓前面的服務時間等候縮短後面產生效益讓他安心聽懂的這個時間加長那健全醫療體系與照顧的環境我們要在法律框架下進行大數據的整合管理持續數據資料庫同時針對醫療體系跟人員要提供AI的風險控管跟AI的教育因為越用大的資料庫這個產生資料外洩的機率會越高 |
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甚至我們比方講平戰轉合我們的軍醫院的這個比方講我們軍人的這個健檢降檢或者是體檢資料跟民間醫院能不能互通這都要法律來律定並不是想像一上網就可以通有些在這個醫院的病歷資料並未必能夠暫時因為受傷到另外一個院可以取得像這個東西是我們要大家共同努力那麼這個退輔會在 |
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支持國軍站立維持照顧榮民、榮家以及廣闊到民間的共同的照育扮演了一個很重要的角色那麼我們也相信榮民的需要退府會完全了解而且會努力做到這是以上我個人對主委的一些建言跟期許謝謝 |
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市委委員的指導原免率我想委員的第一個目標非常明確我想我們現在退伍過去朝向這個目標全力以赴的做就人民在哪裡服務到哪裡委員指導這裡面的建議我們現在不斷的在求 |
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委員會主席 |
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就是剛剛陳委員指導的怎麼樣去降低減輕總統本身自己的一個負荷把這個醫療資源都能夠擴大其實在服務方面綠色通道我們榮業尤其是針對高齡的榮民 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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繼續努力來救謝謝委員的指導謝謝嚴主委以及退服會同仁今天的與會我們大家一起共同努力謝謝謝謝委員謝謝陳永康委員主委請回接下來我們請沈伯陽委員上台質詢 |
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好,謝謝主席,有請委員主委,謝謝請委員主委政委好好,主委好,這個退伍會這個今年來的比較多次一點那所以,但是所以我們的這個通常來講呢,上個會期我們問的比較多都是跟這一個退降有關的那我今天最主要還是問這個,但是是問就業輔導然後前面會問一些醫療人力的問題 |
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目前整體的醫療體系從臺北榮民總醫院到中榮到高雄到屏東因為我現在在花蓮的時間比較多臺北榮民總醫院有玉里分院到鳳嶺鳳嶺現在的狀況可能我等一下會想多一些跟玉里分院有關的事情但在這個之前我想問一下就是因為之前我們有看到這個地區的醫院 |
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那我們的衛福部有去公佈一個比較新的這個護病筆那它這邊這個白班1比10小業1比13大業1比15那我知道以榮民的醫院現在來講它其實是有符合的但問題是就是我也看到就是大部分的人對於這個護病筆這個新上路的這一個還是有很多意見那我最想要問的就是說這一個地區的醫院 |
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因為這個最後一段這邊有寫到就是目前衛福部依照不同的層級發放的這個夜班的獎勵是有不同的那反而地區的醫院的獎勵是比較低的但護病比卻比較高所以導致這個護理人員流動到這一個護病比比較低獎勵性比較高的這個醫學中心那這個因為畢竟尤其在花蓮有很多的這種地區型的醫院那我知道這當然跟衛福部的政策有關係 |
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但因為畢竟以退輔會的角度來講這個榮民總醫院它本身是有預算的然後它也有一定程度的盈利所以不知道有沒有可能去補足當然我們還會再去跟衛福部溝通說這個應不應該更改但目前在這個制度之下有沒有辦法去補足這一塊讓這個地區醫院的獎勵可以比較高一點然後讓這個護病比可以稍微做一些改變這樣子 |
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各位委員報告,我們退伍會所屬各級的容院整體的醫師人力是符合醫療機構設置標準和醫院評鑑的基準各級容院在8月份正值醫師的空缺率平均在0.41 |
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零點十一這個也是符合行政院人事總署第一四趴的一個規定就整個大的一個一個檢測先跟委員就報告那委員所關心的有關發動地區預理分院之外我請我們預理分院院長詳細的跟委員再做說明 |
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委員好 月理分院分院長報告有關於委員剛剛提到護理的這個護病比確實玉里地區是完全符合我們三家院目前都符合這個地區醫院的低於15%的這個比例那目前剛剛委員提到的就是有關於津貼的問題那確實在這個醫院裡面不同的這個病房可能他會受到一些相關的限制那但是目前 |
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對﹖ |
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報告省委員委員總陳維銘那花東的問題我們是都完全感同身受因為現在我們國人平均壽命臺東是倒數第一名花蓮倒數第三名那比臺北差了臺東差了7點多歲花蓮將近6歲 |
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那這個是我們所有醫療體系都有責任來幫助這件事情不過受了0403的地震0725的楷米颱風很多同仁要到花蓮台東支援就家長反對打退堂鼓所以我們在小禮大義鼓勵這些人不惜就是用升遷 |
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保證你可以回來當組織醫師鼓勵他們去那加上跟臺東馬歇醫院區域聯防跟門諾醫院一個在南一個在北現在達成協議區域聯防讓如果交通有問題的時候可以及時幫我們支援那我大膽的提出一個事情向政府提出來是一個東寶生跟花寶生的事情 |
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因為我們的金寶生金門現在做得不錯那如果有東寶生因為現在天災不斷東寶生花寶生寶藏 |
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更多的公費生到花園去然後花蓮的典值臺東的典值健保署給他保障我相信會有更多優秀的醫事人員願意到花東去我退休我都願意去那這個是一個大家共同來努力來幫助我們的花東我在健康臺灣委員會也向總統提出來我們要盡量努力起來幫助我們花東的居民讓我們的平均壽命可以拉上來 |
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臺北榮總也會全力給我們華東三院支援給他們人力那我們會再不責損因為有時候榮總是公務體系我剛說強迫你到花蓮去我不幹了我要離職了因為你沒有強迫的力量只能小雨大雨鼓勵用聲簽讓他們磨練當誘因所以現在送了一個很優秀的陳一群這個知性天才去接副院長他很快就會把他帶起來 |
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現在臺東副院長也會找一個很優秀的人過去我們希望用好的人力去幫助他們向聲明人報告我們會努力好 謝謝這個東寶花寶相關的如果說能夠推動的話對我們來講當然會是一個很大的注意那當然就是說這個我後面才會問到一些跟醫生有關但因為剛剛主委也有提到醫生的部分就是說當然剛剛有提到這個健保點子的問題就是說在育理當地就是說它有一些這個也是跟獎金有關 |
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那在獎金的發放因為現在說真的他的人事費我們調資料看起來還是稍微比較降低的服務費是越來越高但服務費高其實也不是什麼問題但重點就是那個獎金的部分所以我有看到不管是精神科醫師內外科醫師真的是有出走的問題所以呢就像剛剛這一個院長提到如果說這個出走的問題能夠解決的話會真的很重要 |
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不然的話我看到他們現在有時候會去跟門諾調醫生有時候要跟這個衛生局調醫生那這真的會造成當地的這個醫療資源的短缺啦好 謝謝那這個呢再來就是因為我稍微看了一下預算就是說當然除了我說過這個榮業有賺錢這個當然是可以去協助獎金啦 |
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我看到這個個容院在當時這個在預算的裡面其實好像有提到說能夠增聘醫護人力的一個規劃所以這部分的規劃是否也能夠稍微說明一下雖然現在預算被擋了所以有點尷尬但是就是目前在這個預算的狀況之下本來的計畫是什麼 |
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報告委員我是就醫處處長劉俊正那跟委員報告目前的這個護病比的部分我們在今年8月份去做一個全面的檢視我們是符合標準的那比較缺乏的是大小業的部分那我想護理的人力應該是全國的問題那我們的輔導會也不斷的在想辦法去解決人力的一個人力荒所以目前我們已經奉行政院合定在114年明年開始的連續3年我們整個輔導會體系會擴編506人就是整個醫護的團隊 |
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那護理師的部分會有376人來彌補各個醫院的這個職缺所以到時候我們的這個公職護理師的比例應該可以到4成6以上這部分我想委員的關切我們非常注意到謝謝目前跟委員報告我們採取的一些措施就提高起薪然後積極跟各大戰略校招募護理人才護理人力然後也爭取護理公職員額鼓勵他們退休之後能夠回來能夠回來採取這些措施 |
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然後另外我們也提供委員所關心的留院獎金然後調升夜班費這些配合軍方要的調薪能夠醫病來做然後增加他們的工作意願相關一些配套措施各種院都在做好 謝謝所以我想重整兩個層次第一個當然就是預算本身的編列跟這個時程剛剛已經有他本來就在那我們當然盡力希望是能夠這個預算能夠通過因為現在預算被卡在那邊 |
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實踐的關係我再稍微問一個小小的跟那個職業職壓發展有關的其實我在這一個那個報告裡面有看到這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
這次的軍民專長的衔接系統是新開發的系統 |
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我個人在行政院辦的高階文官獎金裡面有一個AI的智慧學校來上課那我覺得有很多地方可以請他們做指導所以我們這個系統我就指導我們的事業處將來把這個系統要導入AI |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
國防委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我個人是覺得這個對退服會是非常重要的一個業務 |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
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謝謝沈博洋委員主委請回 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
接下來我們請林楚英委員上台質詢謝謝主席主席我們有請嚴主委請嚴主委 |
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主委好,主委有沒有趁這個開議之前到這個國內去進行一些國內旅遊,尤其是我們知道退伏會峽下有一些我們的觀光農場啊,還有就是一些旅館。就之前去過農場,我們高三的農場去過。 |
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我不知道主委有沒有聽過現在這個民間有一個很有趣的這個笑話就是說如果有一間公司啊他舉辦國內旅遊大家會說哇那你去年業績很好賺大錢啊這個賠錢的或賺的少的才會到國外旅遊所以國內旅遊其實現在的房價其實一般消費者都會認為說挺貴的那我們知道在我們這個退服會峽下有一些幾個農場機構甚至於呢都還有一些旅館的經營我們有幾個農場機構 |
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三高山是三個大農場,那底下平地有兩個,昌化跟台東。好,那麼這幾個這個所謂的退府會峽下的這個所謂農場機構當中,那麼又有幾間在經營這個合法的,應該是說在幾間在經營這些我們的旅館跟旅宿?我們三高山有三座,三高山有三座。對,然後平地呢?平地你知道嗎? |
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平地農場有4個地方在經營旅宿業。好,其實我稍微調查跟了解了一下當然山高山的這幾個包括武陵農場、福壽山親近非常夯。那麼房價的部分當然也就合理的會反映這個需求。但是如果是平地的彰化農場跟台東農場的話 |
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那他們的價格相對的非常合理喔我先唸出來一下就是像高雄同學農場的話雙人房只要四千二那四人房六千那麼如果是池上啊或是東和或是豐壽會館的話雙人房有的甚至只要一千二四人房兩千八所以這些價格都是非常的合理跟實惠可是本席發現的問題是 |
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有的有合法的旅館登記但是有的好像沒有是這樣嗎? |
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報告委員我們的觀光條例實行以後因為山高山農場他從很早以前都經營旅宿業所以他很早就取得旅館的登記了但是因為我們觀光條例通過以後在明年的1月份以前沒有取得的話將我們平地農場以務農為主所以說他明年1月開始我們就不能經營這個旅宿業了我們現在採取的措施就是委外經營方式 |
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現在高雄農場在112年之後已經委外經營了那池上的會館在今年的4月也委外經營了那東河的會館我們預備在今年年底以前委外經營那花蓮的壽豐農場因為現在做地木的變更變更完以後我們也會委外經營 |
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我想管理的事業單位已經都非常清楚了沒錯就是104年之後因為我們的觀光條例有進行了修正之後有10年的寬限期其實本席要問主委的就是我開場白就先說了其實現在我們國內的這些旅宿業的房價當然高檔的甚至於五星級的要上萬沒錯但是其實退府會狹下所的這些農場機構的旅館其實是可以提供相對合理的價格 |
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他不只是提供給我們退出役官兵們其實有一個休閒旅遊的好地方之外其實國人也會需要但是為什麼拖到最後一刻你看喔114年的1月21號如果沒有辦妥相關的旅館的登記之後就不能繼續營業了那就像剛剛所講的 |
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既然早就10年前就知道為什麼不能好好的動起來當然中間一經過了這個疫情期間的COVID當然相對的會很慘淡但是主委你有沒有覺得其實這一塊是可以好好動起來的 |
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目前我們都已經辦理招商在作業當中好在作業當中那是不是就是要拖到最後一刻就像剛剛講的本席也去查了那麼照顧彰化的這個高雄同學農場112年1月就委外廠商經營囉那池上會館是113年3月委託民間來經營那麼河東農場跟壽豐農場的進度只剩下最後兩個月喔那這個時間跟騎乘上可以來得及嗎 |
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東河農場的部分我們應該來得及,因為最主要是之前颱風的影響,它受到非常非常嚴重的損壞,連外道路也不通,那這個度去我們會加速來進行,請委員放心。好,但是呢,這個預算會期回到預算,主委我要講,114年度的預算書當中有提到,臺東農場的觀光收入變成是只剩下15000元,比上個年度的預算700萬要減少了698萬。 |
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那像這樣子是因為委外經營之後所預算書的呈現嗎還是說反正這些都是不欠錢的單位因為我必須要強調喔真的就像我們剛剛前面看到的第一張在高山地區比較有競爭力尤其是在那些風光明媚的地方每年到了賞花祭節可以說是供不應求但是平地的地區是不是就是因為競爭力相對比較薄弱對於政府會來講收入也比較少就可以不用去管它或是不經營它其實這是本席很在乎的 |
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報委員我們委外經營以後狀況會好很多因為平地農場包含彰化農場跟台東農場他最主要的事業目的其實就是我們的農業經營並不是這個旅館的規劃所以這方面他們是比較弱的這個是我們必須要承認而且從近三年來其實他都是虧本在經營的 |
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對沒錯確實是在虧本經營但是為什麼我沒有放棄是因為就是我們國民有需求所以說我們才忍痛高雄農場我以高雄農場為例它一年要虧損五百萬但是為什麼我們會繼續經營下去這最主要是有需求我們才經營下去旁邊有一滇緬村就是那個姓國村這間我們要還要負責照顧他們最主要原因是在這個地方 |
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本席就是特別把這個問題也就質詢把它提出來的那確實就如同我們今天詢答上所講的民眾是有他的需求但是缺乏的會不會是一些亮點的宣傳又或者是說特色的規劃那我們希望在這個接下來如果能夠把進度掌握然後在這個有委外經營底下也能夠幫這個10年前就已經知道了現在如果沒有取得這個旅館相關的登記其實是無法合法經營的 |
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好另外一個當然我們就要回到這個關於人力的問題其實我們各個榮處我非常的重要因為他攸關著我們120萬我們的這個退休的這個退役的這些官兵們跟榮眷們之間那在這個120萬人處的不論是他們就養就業就學等等其實人力第一線到底足不足夠因為時間有限我直接就講了有8個 |
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容處缺額是高於10%當我們第一線人力有缺口的時候對比這是113年而且昨天最新統計的資料對113年對比112年還有8個地方包括臺北市新北市基隆市花蓮縣臺東縣苗栗縣彰化縣跟雲林縣 |
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面對這種第一線現在有高於10%的人力缺口,我們要如何想辦法來補足呢?報告委員,我們現在整個各容圖處是507,缺是缺了58個,但是58個裡面也有職務代理人有29個,大概缺了一半,還有29個,但是目前我們正在辦理 |
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在增補在補充當中另外在這個階段我們是用社工我們有這個社工隊來支援來讓他們節省一些人力榮勳志工來幫忙一些仿事的一些工作服務的工作 |
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好其實就是用一種所謂志工來做替代那不然就可能好但另外一種方式可能就是什麼就是用所謂加班來處理本席特別幫這個我們各個榮處的加班天數來做一個統計這個會發現最高的南投會高達31.6天最低的台北市也有2.1天相差的倍數是15倍 |
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當然有些人認為說我賺點加班費挺好的但是更多的時候他可能產生的這種過勞會降低第一線人力的包括就養就業提供諮詢的一個品質然後我們看到除了南投線 |
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宜蘭、嘉義、臺東、基隆、花蓮加班的天數也都高於其他的地區所以主委有注意到這樣的狀況嗎那顯然的相對的他就影響到了這些縣市第一線人力的調度之外我相信服務品質也會變差 |
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那可以感受得到是不是臺北市就相對的這個2.1的加班天數是比較合乎大家常理的接受那就像剛剛前一位沈博洋委員提到的可能是醫療機構那偏鄉是不是出現了大家比較不願意服務又或者是說其實南投地處在我們的 |
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臺灣最中心才是真的我們臺灣的內地啊南投阿為什麼會發生31.6天原因是什麼委員我請輔導處處長跟您做報告委員我向您報告我是輔導處處長是最主要是因為南投的編制人數只有19人是那臺北市有54人相同的加班的時數放大出去之後臺北市的比率就很低 |
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在我們工作品質不降低的狀況下,我們絕對不會讓我們同仁過老。謝謝委員 |
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好,因為時間有限我先講一個結論那就是臺北市是不是因為要服務的榮民、榮眷比較多所以員額比較高但是相對的如果說南投你現在看到有這樣的加班天數那就表示過去給的員額現在明顯的已經無法符合現行榮眷、榮民的人數那這個在於所謂的 |
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我們在做一個檢討是 謝委員 |
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好,謝謝林楚瑩委員,諸位請回接下來我們請馬文君委員上台質詢謝謝主席,麻煩請主委請言主委 |
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各位好,因為在上個會期我們有提到幾個跟退役軍人的福利措施上面可能有一些建議或者決議,那想要了解一下現在目前推動的情形 |
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大概有兩項比較大的就是有職業榮民在就醫醫療優惠的部分看今天的報告裡面他有說明現在修正國軍退除役官兵就醫辦法 |
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凡臨有榮民政者到本會所屬醫療機構就醫其健保自行負擔費用由退府會全額補助現在呈報行政院核定後施行我想要在這裡請教主委就是說我們這個優惠目前已經公告了嘛是不是公告公告過了開過審議會了那什麼時候會送立院核備 |
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現在移送到行政院,那相關的行政院的協調工作現在正在做,行政院的各處事有任何的一些疑議,或者需要我們再補充資料的,我們都目前正在密切的聯繫當中,目前進度都正常。有掌握那個期程嗎?大概評估什麼時候可以達到我們送立院核備的這樣一個期程? |
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這個可能要看行政院目前那邊我們的資料的回覆的一個情形才能夠看什麼時候可以核定目前進入到正常因為所謂的正常就是我們有設定騎乘所以它才叫正常但我們希望越快越好那如果說在我們正常的騎乘之下大概會是什麼時候 |
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行政院現在還有嗎?現在還有陳副的意見嗎?現在目前還是有,當然我們把陳副的意見寫完再回覆給他們如果說現在有什麼樣的進度,請隨時給我們像現在的一個進度的狀況好不好?因為我們希望他就是越快越好啦 |
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那另外針對有職榮民醫療優惠的部分其實他到目前為止他只限定於退府會所屬醫療機構那跟之前主委就我們在上一次之前在馮主委的時候其實他有承諾會依照我們包括 |
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委員會主任委員 |
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我們希望可以做到最好那你在這裡還有這樣的差異是覺得我們的軍人在服役期間或者他的那個還是比不上我們剛剛提到的這些像警校啊空警啊海巡人員嗎就這個部分要怎麼樣去積極的爭取那所有的健保部分因為包括 |
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不是只有在我們退服體系的這樣子的還有軍醫院而是包括衛福部甚至他們在其他的臺大醫院雲林分院連江縣的醫院其實都有這些健保部分負擔費用由政府全力補助的福利主委這個公平的待遇你可以積極的在替我們所有的同袍爭取嗎 |
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謝謝委員關心,照顧我們的榮民是我們基本的職責,我們一定要來積極來爭取,那這個工作有關於有職的榮民退下去之後,原來是因為退伍的軍階按照軍階的比例要付費,那我們現在報告行政院的案子就是要把這部分 |
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主委他其實他最重要的一點是因為過去因為像錦霄海巡跟空情人遠慶他們沒有這部分的優惠他在108年行政院才通過這樣子的一個補助的方案所以我們也希望 |
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委員會主任委員長 |
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所提出來的希望可以幫軍人也提也提到這樣子的一個福利照顧的一個部分這個部分也要持續來爭取好謝謝那另外就是針對恢復退除役上校階以上官兵他子女教育補助費的一個部分因為 |
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本委員會在4月間由王昭偉提案不分黨派委員其實都同時聯署臨時提案建請國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會有關上校階以上領奉人員子女教育補助費的事情因積極研議並爭取以促進退伍跑者的權益那在上個會期6月13號 |
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歐小林委員：也有提案有18個人共同聯署國軍退除役官兵輔導條例徵定第27條之2條文草案當時的決定雖然是保留可是要另外擇期繼續審查主要是要讓退府會有時間去跟行政院做一個溝通因為這個案子它增加的預算是只有5000萬 |
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可是他對於在整個我們在所有的退除役不管你的階級是什麼可是你突然把上校拿掉其實這個會造成很不公平的一個感覺所以這一次退補會的業務報告上面也沒有納入我想請教一下那現在的進度是怎麼樣 |
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上個會期最後委員會的決議就希望我們盡量再去爭取再去溝通協調我們這一段時間一直跟行政人種保持聯繫他們也希望我們提供上下的集聚退伍人員的集聚相關的一些人數人員資料相關的資料我們都提供給人種這段時間一直保持聯繫 |
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媒體宣傳費用 |
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委員會主任 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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那接下來如果說有什麼樣的進度也慢慢報告我們委員會那另外還要再特別提到的就是退輔會它成立的目的它主要是照顧農民如果有很多的福利措施比如說像長照、施治有很多像這樣子其實它的全責單位應該是衛福部所以我們還是希望 |
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我們退府會應該要堅守很清楚的知道我們設立的一個主要的目的我們要照顧的是榮民我們像現在我們看到失智老人的照顧我們現在在計劃當中有無所容加設立失智園區我們失智床增加了502床總床位將達到1145 |
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這個佔全國老人福利機構施治老人床位6成以上就是由我們退府會其實會提供6成以上施治老人照顧的這樣子的床位那在相關的這個未來的照護人力會增加護理人員56人還有照服員441人人力需求經費會達到2億7千多萬我特別要提出來是 |
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也有委員希望你們滾動式的調整為什麼說我們成立的目的是照顧農民因為你會入住農家有些一住可能5年10年甚至20年都有可能你現在看出來他可能還有空床 |
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可是當他們需要的時候因為你現在榮民不是以前的那些老伯伯因為他們很多單身或者說他們就是需要這樣的照顧可是未來我們的社會趨勢可能像失智或者必須有接受長照這樣照顧的人數也會增加所以我們為什麼要有一定比例的一個床位的配比而不是你現在看到說他有空位 |
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你就讓所有的人都可以進來那未來如果有榮民要住的時候你可以把現在的一般民眾把他趕出去嗎這個部分我們希望退府會還是要堅持我們現在我們設立的一個主要的目的剛剛我們還有提到的就是他人力的部分我們現在剛剛看到我們有一千多名的一些照護需求 |
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我們研究現在又怎麼樣自顧 |
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這個部分因為既然你已經有這麼多的床位應該要怎麼樣做一個更好更妥適的一個規劃安排我想這個可能還是要去床位跟委員報告我們會控制一定的比例現在目前最多的比例一般民主區域是18%那其他大部分大概有八成以上還是照顧我們的人民主民都有控制一些存料 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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謝謝馬文君委員也請副會給馬文君委員所需要的進度報告 |
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那下一位請徐曉欣委員上台質詢謝謝主席那我們請嚴德發主委請嚴主委徐委員好主委好最近我國國防部因為軍售案件有一些新聞不知道你有沒有看到 |
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就最近的一些包含是我們直接講就是雖然您已經卸任了但是在您在任期間有評估過過去的新聞就關於換相2000的部分那時候在2019年9月23號的時候 |
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那我們就有看到您說跟法國的這個公司討論過這個性能的提升計劃那當時呢軍方沒有說要退出是要評估換項的性能提升所以呢當時也有些人在講說服役27年5個非官訓職法國原廠都退出的換項2000為什麼國軍還在飛 |
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今年9月又有一位飛官在彈跳的時候逃生了我們也非常慶幸他的生命是有獲得保障的後來我們就在新聞上又看到說沒想到當時在2019年的時候說延受8年的計劃 |
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現在不只要延壽8年在雙座機的部分要延壽到20年過去您的專業來說不知道您會有什麼樣的一個評價在我當國防部長那個時期的確有評估過幻象兩圈它是否要退出是有評估過但是因為幻象它主要的任務是北部的攻防 |
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委員做一個報告 |
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當時您說可以飛8年,但20年,未來會不會要30年40年,這也都是我們很關注的議題。我們當然也是希望說,如果能換了新的飛機,北部的空防很重要,能有新的飛機當然對我們的飛行員來說會有更多的保障。 |
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另外,跟主委您現在的工作有關的是關於我們的親近農場親近農場很多人可能或許不知道是由這個退輔會來做管理的那7月8月暑假結束了不知道您清不清楚今年暑假我們親近農場的入園情形是如何的跟往年比起來是更好還是更差 |
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當然就剛剛我們事業局署長有報告了,東勢東山發生之後那這些天災之後都有受到影響,我們那邊的山高山影響的整個的觀光所有的一些旅遊都受到影響但是他們都有辦一些活動,比方說奔陽節、牧羊人體驗 |
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也請了東森的主播淑麗小姐到那邊報氣象這些整整的活動希望能夠帶動附近整個的觀光的氣氛好我們來看一下這個幾個新聞一個是2024年4月的時候是關於地震的因為地震的關係所以這個定防率下降那包含這幾個農場尤其像是南投也好 |
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所以這個南投也有一些就他並不是在花蓮但是呢定房率清淨也掉了兩成然後後來呢又有颱風的關係清淨農場的定房呢又掉一成這是最近的去年颱風今年地震但其實呢在更早之前我們就發現了入園人數正在減少我們看下一張表格 |
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從108年開始我們可以看到本來的入園人數是還蠻高的可是呢到今年你看 |
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一百二十九萬嘛一百二十九萬那到今年剩下多少呢截至到六月我們不要啦我們看一整年的好不好剩下八十六萬而已那所以呢其實這個遞減可以說是相當的快速所以我們的入園人數從一百零八年到一百一十二年減少了相當的多那看起來今年可能因為截至到六月而已嘛那但可能會更少 |
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雖然今年是有地震又有颱風可是在112年跟111年看起來就已經或許在先前受到疫情的影響那就已經變得更少了主委我會這樣問是因為清淨農場對於南投來說是非常重要的一個指標南投縣的主計處報告裡面就有提到清淨農場的發展是有效帶動十四縣沿途的經濟發展 |
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現在清淨農場的入園人數減少會連帶影響周邊的商家前幾個月我在慈祐宮有遇到南投縣長徐淑華帶著一些南投的鄉親北上 |
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他們就有跟我做陳情說他們是在南投清淨農場周邊的商家他們說呢生意的狀況越來越差尤其是在疫情之後更為明顯還有陸客團沒有再來之後也非常的明顯因為 |
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先前陸客團確實有把親近農場就是南投縣作為一個主要的觀光旅遊的景點就南投被視為這個陸客團的一個主要觀光旅遊景點確實有這樣包含是新聞都有我們可以看新聞上寫說這個這個 |
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陸客團看上這樣的自然環境：把親近農場列入行程當中：帶到中偏效應：但是：入團人數逐年減少：從2016的160萬人到現在2018年短短兩年 縮減了35萬人所以剛才我們提的數字還是比較少的2016年有160萬人 到現在其實我們剛剛舉出的數字剩下 |
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請問一下雖然我們辦了去年的星空音樂會辦了奔陽節九月參加日本的旅展這些都非常好我們也支持宣傳跟創意可是看起來呢是成效並沒有到非常好 |
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親近農展的推展費用111到114年都是編列了335萬左右這樣的推展費用請問一下您覺得足夠嗎那我們的觀光需要振興人數需要加強這方面的宣傳想問一下主委接下來我們應該要如何改善委員我請我們事業處處長跟你講一句就說沒有問題 |
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委員好 我是事業處處長楊長正非常謝謝委員的關心對大清境地區的關心旅客人數減少是一個事實國內旅遊業的不振也是事實這也是造成人數減少的一個很大很大的原因剛剛委員打了一張表我們從事實上我們從疫情開始以後 |
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委員會主任委員 |
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6609.162 |
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這幾年為了改善這個情形清淨因為是一個很好的環境教育場地我們也發展了我們鼓勵我們全國中小學的學生到清淨農場去做環境的教育那我們也發文到教育部請教育部配合的推進中小學生沒有什麼消費能力 |
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那在交通方面呢 |
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對,所以我說你們在曝展的時候對於國外的觀光旅客的交通宣導的方面來說可能要再多做一些補充因為對於他們來講外國的觀光旅客然後呢到親近農場還有就是呢其實現在來台灣旅遊的旅客韓國人居多,不曉得你有沒有發現 |
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所以在對於韓國人的宣傳來講韓國觀光自由行或是團客的宣傳來講可能都應該要加強相關的還包括親近農場周邊商家的一些商標跟一些包含是菜館然後呢如果真的有韓國旅客來的話他們的一些指標啊路標啊菜單啊這些如果我們真的能夠吸引到韓國旅客的話這些都要再把它補上補強 |
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那當然是有些吸引到韓國旅客因為像台北市的話就在這方面有蠻大的成效所以說你們要有一個方向跟目標到底你們能夠吸引到的是哪一方面的旅客而不是漫無目的的在一個會場 |
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然後就擺一個場地就覺得能夠吸引到觀光客因為這是一個不要亂槍打鳥的方式所以你們應該要先分析說親近農場大概可以吸引到是哪一個國家哪一個族群他可能會對這樣子的一個環境他會比較有興趣他會想要來然後再針對這個族群他去做更多的行銷 |
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謝謝委員指導 |
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好謝謝徐曉鑫委員主委請回接下來我們請洪森翰委員上台質詢謝謝主席請嚴主委請嚴主委 |
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主委最近大家在討論到這個關於所謂祖國的問題那賴總統其實也在國慶晚會其實也做了很清楚的釐清 |
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那我們也看到有些人說到底誰把中華人民共和國當主國可是過去其實我們還是會在一些新聞上面其實還是在一些資料上面是看到會有一些退伍軍人那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
報告委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
6867.798 |
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中華人民共和國不可能是我們的祖國我們的祖國就是中華民國尤其軍人效忠國家一定要效忠人民都不可以做這些數典忘祖的事情那主委你這邊講得很清楚我們也不希望未來再有退伍軍人在做這些相關的言論跟行為 |
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但當然我們也都知道中共勢必還是會持續地用各種方法不管是挖泥牆角或者是各種統戰的做法來去吸引更其他的可能也不只是退伏軍人類似相關的希望大家做這種相關言行的表態那我想問一下退伏會目前有沒有什麼明確的機制或做法因為剛剛朱薇講的是你的立場那在做法上面 |
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主委可不可以再說得更清楚一點跟委員報告我們國內的退協組織有30多個跟我們輔導會都有關係用事業為目的所以我們常常都有做聯繫把這些相關的不管人民關係條例或者是國安法以及相關的一些規範都有跟他們做一些告知一些報告然後我們在地區的農夫處 |
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我剛才就是說你剛才其實把立場說得清楚但我們希望在做法上面可以更明確然後做法上面希望可以更積極 |
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那當然這個議題我們就先講到這邊那接下來當然我們也還是持續的想要來跟這個主委討論到關於我們退伏會在這個軍民專長轉嫌的這個問題主委下面一張主委我不知道你有沒有看過這個報導這是這段時間這個天下雜誌那他講了一個說美國的企業在大搶軍人我不知道主委有沒有看過這個報導 |
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我在媒體上有看過有看過那一樣想問主委你覺得為什麼美國的企業搶著招募退伍軍人為什麼 |
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因為軍人的忠誠度比較高而且管理能力也比較強管理能力比較強但我們看到這些報導是參考我們看到其實剛剛在講到說報導裡面說到美國退伍軍人其實他們用一個詞叫做是企業搶著挖角的人才金礦 |
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所以各大現在是這個零售公司包括沃瑪包括AT&T包括美國銀行企業公司等等都搶著招募退伍軍人那其中一個很大的原因就是覺得軍人的抗壓性高而且領導力好 |
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所以他說在民間其實很少有不到25歲的年輕人就已經有三四十歲的豐富經驗這是為什麼他們很想要搶著招募這個退伍軍人的原因但我想問主委你覺得為什麼台灣的企業沒有搶著招募退伍軍人我們的情境跟美國差異在哪裡我請事業處就業處處長跟你說明 |
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委員好 我是舊學監事處處長池玉蘭在這邊跟委員報告當然我們軍人長期都是在軍中服役的話他確實是跟社會是有一點隔閡的但是這幾年我要回應的是這幾年特別疫情過後我們整個國家的勞動力是欠缺的百工百業在欠缺的過程這幾年非常多的企業主動找到我們輔導會希望我們能夠推介適任的 |
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有質的一個退伍軍人到他們的企業去服務是這個所以我在這邊我想把這個問題拿用這個方式來表達的意思我並不是要否定退伍會不要誤會退伍會過去其實也做了很多的努力包括我其實在6月的時候我們那時候在質詢的時候其實我也看到退伍會跟國防部後來也很積極的在辦這個跨部會 |
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成立跨部會的專案的小組甚至在10月1號的時候其實就已經訂出了實施的計畫這是我覺得我們都看到但我剛剛拿美國的狀況來講意思是說其實美國人做得到的狀況我們不一定做不到它是一個有可能可以做得到的目標的不是只是我們一直要把我們的退伍券推銷出去不是這樣子而已甚至做得好的話有可能企業自己都會想來搶人才 |
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甚至他講的很可能他不是只是把退伍軍人當作勞動力他甚至是把他作為一個有領導力有管理能力的人才可能是做得到這件事情的這是我講美國的原因但是我現在有幾個問題就是說當然我們現在看到這個 |
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在退伏會跟國防部在處理這個軍民專長轉弦機制的時候當然這裡面我們看到幾個重要的目標第一個是協助退伍官兵克服就業的困境這當然第一個 |
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更重要我自己認為更重要是協助國軍招募官兵也就是說我們讓在招募的時候就讓大家知道你來入伍其實你的退伍以後你的就業的前景也是好的那這會更鼓勵大家願意到加入到國軍裡面這也解決我們很多國防安全上面的問題 |
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那我也看到現在你們在退伏會的會計錄和實施計畫裡面有一個軍民專長轉型運用平台我看到這個運用平台那這個運用平台裡面你們規劃了時程2024年年底是先行規劃明年5月招標然後一年半以後希望能夠去啟用然後來借接三個部會的這個職能應用平台這些東西都很好但我想問的事情是我也想提醒先提醒 |
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其實過去有很多資訊公司都跟行政院反應因為政府往往不是想得很清楚我有很多資訊平台後續要怎麼運用所以常常會造成這個所謂採購需求不明確或者是招標規格不清楚各種爭議所以變成最後可能會系統閒置這其實很多資訊平台或資訊公司也提醒所以為什麼後來行政院也公佈了採購資訊服務的作業指引 |
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接下來我要問的問題就是關於剛剛講的建制這個軍民專長轉型運用平臺現在會不會打算怎麼運用謝謝委員的指導那事實上跟委員報告我們這一段期間都已經也去很重要的去拜訪勞動部 |
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為什麼?因為我們勞動部將來我這個軍人民專長轉弦的系統裡面的介接其實是勞動部的職人基準還有他一個就業百科這個相關的一個網站我們把軍人的一個專長跟他一起透過AI的技術來把它做好那個比對的工作出場這部分我有聽到剛剛主委其實在回覆沈培洋委員的時候也講到這個AI的資料的運用是但是我要強調技術有這個技術很好 |
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但重點是怎麼應用怎麼用得上那這怎麼用得上會關乎到我們到底現在欠缺什麼事是所以技術的規劃要跟我們現在欠缺的事情要能夠對應得上所以主長 |
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您補充完是跟委員報告將來我這個御用平台的系統其實我們就是現有我有一個就業服務網我會去給他擴充簡單的來講這個退出役官兵來到我們容服處的時候我們的就業服務人員一個電腦按下去他就可以知道這個退出役官兵他在過去的相關的軍中的一個專長學歷等等能夠 |
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我跟主委還是要說你們講這些規劃我都肯定 |
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但是重點我說怎麼運用跟活用的點在於我們是不是先已經理解到我們現在在整個機制上面目前有什麼不足我比方說我們最近看了一些包括在學界其實也不少相關的研究在研究這個國軍官兵退伍以後的一些就業的困難 |
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那做了幾個歸納：比方這大概是我們在參考一些相關的報告裡面看到的事情第一個他們講到執訓課程不足那說到這個執訓課程需要配合退伍時間可能選不到或者是不能選到真正想學的包括這個證照承認有限也就是這個退伍會辦的修車訓練民間保守長並不承認 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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回饋到那我們現在的資訊系統要怎麼樣子能夠更優化讓我們後端的這些不足有更多的支撐在系統平台資訊對接上面的支撐現在大家是希望是這件事所以這是要一直想強調的事情是系統有系統很好但系統不會用他就變成是死的 |
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重點是怎麼活用這還是重點所以怎麼活用的應用的方式的部分這部分可能還是希望主委這邊多費心那我們在這邊因為時間有限我這邊有幾個建議也請主委看看 |
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第一個事情是當然這個你們現在還在處在先期規劃的期間嘛這個先期規劃期間能不能夠請你們再加強包括就業就學的輔導包括如何改善執訓的內容因為執訓的內容其實就像剛剛講其實是很多人都有詬病的地方目前執訓的內容不足或者是品質可能還有一些問題 |
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第一個是改善資訊的內容跟輔導的內容第二個剛剛說借接三個部會擴大資訊包括證照的認證如果證照的認證我們一直做很多證照可是民間就是不認對不起這接起來還是有困難我不管我的資訊系統怎麼建得再好都還是接不起來還是會有這個問題 |
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最後當然也希望能夠把這些系統用在國軍的招募上面也就是說強調在招募的時候就強調這是我們會給大家支持讓大家可以知道我們有做這樣子的準備我說這些事情可能是在後端的活用跟應用上面 |
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我們是不是能夠再做一些釐清那這個釐清之後可以把我們的需求再一次的回饋優惠到優化到我們的這個資訊平台上面的使用這可能相對是比較完整主委可以嗎是是可以謝謝委員的指導我們現在前端部分我們就把委員剛剛指導我們要把現況做個檢討比方說資訊剛剛講的資訊為什麼找不到他的資訊那這個系統完整是我們希望能夠把這個問題都克服讓 |
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委員會主席 |
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整個募兵制或者是整個募兵機制非常非常重要的關鍵所以可能這裡不只是像過去所謂照顧榮民這個概念而已的事情這其實已經影響到甚至影響到我們現在的軍力我們現在的國防實力其實都是一貫連結在一起的事情 |
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這部分還是希望主委多費心每一個環節每一個環節資訊系統做好這很好可是後端的應用跟需求怎麼樣把它補強釐清我覺得這部分也很重要麻煩主委多費心謝謝謝謝委員指導謝謝洪森漢委員主委請回接下來我們請王定宇召委上台諮詢 |
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主委早辛苦了我第一個問題請教就是一個客觀現實的狀況不知道退服會要怎麼處理我曾經問過幾次我們當然有些長輩要落葉歸根他的親人在別的國家別的國度我們給予尊重 |
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在世界上德國各國有的對退休給予的給付都要求親自來領取那台灣當然現在沒有這個規劃所以會有一些人是在國外的目前有關這個就養的農民從2020年當時有381位常住在中國平均年齡是92.4歲其實是相當高壽這好事情到2021年當然也會有凋零的現象 |
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到2022年到2023年到現在2024年那人數是145那以往我們的制度是要派人去親自訪視坦白講這是一個防避措施因為世界各國有退休金的制度的地方都會擔心就是 |
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人跟救養金要符合起來如果人不對人不在救養金的給付那這當然是一個弊端嘛那以往都會派人訪視那從2020年當年就是COVID-19爆發肺炎爆發 |
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一直到2023年那你們都有編列附中的到中國的訪視預算那其實無法執行全部繳庫那本席現在注意到你們2025年又編了51.7萬元我請教諸位明年有辦法執行嗎 |
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今年還是沒有...今年48.9萬也繳酷了嘛那明年的51.7萬你們要怎麼執行因為主要還是要看陸委會他的燈號現在目前陸委會的燈號是警示國人盡量避免前往中國大陸我請教主委齁我們去訪視因為你看到一百多個人以前還三百多個人然後遍佈在中國各個省份齁你們大概沒辦法做到普查啦 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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那龍家看完之後沒有問題繼續發放這個救養金有問題有慾兩次之後給調查局來看如果有問題就停養了指紋如果有問題因為你每一年發不同的社卡對對對對那那個卡有防偽的方式他有編號指紋都有編號他要停養那停養他勢必要到回台灣之後做驗證 |
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才能繼續發放這是一個對 那我們要去大陸訪視主要是說目前145個人我只問驗證都沒有異常都是正常的是沒有問題的假設說我因為這個原因登號的嫌隙我們要把他到大陸親自來訪視在執行上是沒有問題的你沒有回答我的問題是 |
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到中國去過去有381位現在2024年有145位你們訪視不可能全面嘛對那你們訪視的取樣的原則是什麼比如說我為什麼要去訪視傅政成我去訪視周星國你有選擇你要選擇怎麼去我選擇 |
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他曾經發生過指紋驗證模糊的或是他年紀比較大的因為我們主要是要生存驗證主要是這樣那同時也許這個區域所以你們的選擇方式是從指紋回來有模糊的有模糊現象的但是你們過去有問題就送調查局那確認不符就停發所以有一些模糊的你們還是繼續發 |
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他曾經有模糊 |
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因為年紀大了你們被送到調查局調查局說欸這個看起來是他的指紋對對對對那這個人就會列為優先訪問那你們的模糊是十根指頭都要模糊還是一根還是兩根三根對他只有有模糊就有疑慮了OK所以我看你們變預算從大概跟的是這些在中國救養農民的人數會變那個預算數碼 |
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所以顯示過去確實有一些有模糊的狀態需要去訪視確認但是卻又因為燈號的關係無法成形那這塊怎麼辦 |
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報告委員：因為他還有關懷就是政府關懷德政的意思比如說我還是有人當然我去探視你是是驗證防弊關懷訪視他一體兩面是是我們都希望這些救養的農民不管在哪個國度在台灣在哪裡都能夠健康愉快這個是事實但因為在常住中國的救養農民平均年齡對 |
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比我們台灣的平均年齡最高餘命還要年長比中國的更是年長差不多一二十歲以上所以這一個要去仿視是在我們公帑的支運上確實是有必要但我現在問的問題是你現在沒辦法去啊然後有一些指紋過去有模糊的情形過那你現在不能仿視你怎麼處理這個問題 |
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因為我目前坦白說145人目前都是正常無意裝都無意裝你們有電話訪視嗎電話訪視因為我現在就是說電話訪視會龍家跟他家屬都會保持聯繫有什麼問題會直接跟他家屬講因為坦白講 |
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各位如果派去訪試的具有我們國家中華民國的公職的身份照現在中國的不管用反間諜法相關的法律其實他想動你就可以入你於罪想動你就可以你身上帶的是我們國家的文書你去到那裡那不關個5年10年怎麼回得來有風險嘛所以確實你明年這51.7萬的執行 |
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在中國現在越來越高壓 |
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如果他要找你麻煩這個會是個問題所以主委我剛才問的這個是我知道你們的困難那預算邊在那裡不能執行坦白說每年面對審計單位你這個都要檢討你們到底有沒有找出一個可行的方法面對這個困境五年了 |
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從2020年COVID-19開始21 22 23 24都無法執行坦白講本席是可以提案把這預算砍掉的啊砍掉對你也好啊因為砍掉你就不用執行了你沒有執行率的問題但是確實我們也希望有一些仿事關懷驗證 |
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那主委可不可以折騰我們中央處這邊去思考有一些可執行的方法145個人住在城市的有哪些有沒有我們這邊有他的相片影像然後可以透過視訊的電話方法跟他聊上幾句話 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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主委對這件事情你有什麼看法找出一些方式去關懷兼防弊否則長期以往下去其實你們這筆預算已經五年無法執行那審計單位絕對會叫你檢討的啊好不好這一題然後下一個來這一題就跟剛才我看到好幾位委員關心執訓的部分 |
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職訓是為了什麼?那個州長你可以回去啦職訓其實是為了幫我們國軍退除役官兵弟兄姊妹他在人生生涯的規劃的銜接有一個好的工作嘛所以我看到你們過去開班啊我還常常問我們處長這裡就是你有沒有去找我們需要很多企業需要員工那我們的退役的軍人所受的訓練有沒有符合這些企業的需求這個是一個重點 |
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那現在呢 國內的護理人員護理師不足兩萬五千人我講這個我們農民醫院系統的院長們應該都有感受那個北農院長你在敬禮我也是很寄予同情的眼光你們護理師不夠啊 |
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那護理師不夠薪水其實一直往上堆疊他工作量太重所以護理師越不夠他的工作份量越重你加再多薪水他就做不來然後就離開有一半以上護理學校的畢業生沒有考到護理師執照他就沒有去當護理師有的人就離開了那我為什麼要提這個我們現在這個衛福部有在思考也許你沒有護理師的專長 |
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那我們來輔導他去考互佐那成為分擔護理人員的工作這解決了醫療困難那對我們退輔會來講互佐的薪水跟一般的平均薪資起來應該是比較高的 |
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高於我們一般的平均薪資那如果有我們的退除役的官兵弟兄姊妹對這一塊有興趣我們也應該可以給他開設這樣的班我不知道主委或處長對這個有什麼想法現在目前開的班就是照顧員班照顧員班那召委指導的副佐現在目前衛福部我們所了解衛福部目前還在修正相關的草案還在討論的階段將來衛福部如果草案如果撤班了如果定案了我們會配合辦 |
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我最後給主委一個意見我為什麼要提這一題你看我上面特別寫護佐人員要有下列的資格條件之一三個護理學校相關科系第二領有造福源訓練證書第三領有造福源的職類技術試證三個有一個我就可以去做護佐訓練 |
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那可是我們我在國軍服役我現在去補讀那個護理學校來不及了嘛我不可能去讀高中職的護理學校或者是大專的護理學校來不及嘛所以我會建議處長跟退服會這邊第一個把未來副佐他的可能薪資弱點在哪裡這叫誘因工作內容是什麼這是他的負擔然後 |
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告訴我們現在借退的國軍弟兄姊妹們你真的如果對這有興趣的話請你先報名造福員訓練 |
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因為他不是護校畢業的你不用等衛福部通過因為這個草案是衛福部擬的他一旦通過我告訴你國軍弟兄多數不是護理學校畢業的啊他根本不能去受護佐訓練那我們現在是不是可以前進一點跟國防部在那邊討論借退借最近半年的根據這個訓期可能三個月請他們輔導他們先受這一個造福員的 |
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正書或類技術證但他也許不是要去做這個attempt他不是要做這個工作但他拿到證書之後具備資格對他具備資格了我雖然不是護理學校畢業的但我有這個資格等到護佐的職缺開出來的時候他馬上可以報名退輔會的訓練這個時候 |
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訓用合一也補足需求這個對醫界來講我就培養了人力的儲存戶對我們退除役官兵弟兄姊妹來講我有個好的出路我這個建議是不是可以請主委跟處長跟國防部討論現在戒退的最後半年他可以先受這兩個他說沒有啊我又不當看護不是你受完這兩個你就等同護理學校三位就要畢業你接下來就可以我們將來護佐卻你就可以受訓了來主委是不是請你說明一下 |
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這個部分可以按照國防部討論我們可以做宣導對 宣導以外要有這個制度因為我們現在包含這個全民國防你從部長下來的不管全動署或過去的全民動員室或者現在的所謂的民間的任性其實EMT到EMTJEMT1到EMTJ這個訓練在民間如果越多 |
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8399.43 |
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我們國家的安全能力就越高所以如果說我們藉退的人員可以取得這樣資格將來他又會進一步去受互佐訓練真的有興趣了他自己再去進修大學部的護理系考護理師他就有一個進程他可以就業 |
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另外我們等於在社會上訓練了具備這樣子EMT能力我不知道是道萬兔或J啦具備這樣能力對國家韌性的提高也有幫助我可不可以請退輔會設法執行這一塊或者請處長這邊研擬方法我們的各地的榮福處可以針對退出役官兵來某職者可以推薦給他們對對大家要說明清楚就是說具備資格你收完這個訓你就可以接受互助訓然後互助薪水多少等等要有一些說明啦好不好 |
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有請我們嚴主委請嚴主委 |
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8463.982 |
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8482.689 |
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王委員好主委好那關於退休奉筆照金公教的條新這個一切問題的根源都在於物價條新只是一個結果有關於這個金公教員工的待遇經過審議委員會的決議在民國114年的1月1號起調整為3% |
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8491.693 |
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8513.067 |
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那當然自從1988年迄今25年來首度連續兩年的調薪也就是說111年後的第3次的調薪這兩次調薪皆為4%那調薪 主委 調薪的 經過調薪的原因是什麼 |
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8532.519 |
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第二就是監工教員工是勞動經濟中的最標準的固定薪資階級意思也就是他們所得不會因為經濟環境而浮動這也是表示物價上漲的時候固定薪資階級的實際所得其實是減少的 |
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8535.72 |
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8557.449 |
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所以消費者這個物價指數是金工教員工是否調薪的最重要的指標因為他們在任何的狀況沒有辦法因應這個物價指數所以諸位這個在上次我有特別提到這個部分你也非常的認同是嗎 |
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有關於軍職退伍的泡澤他們定期給付金額的調整這是《陸海空軍軍事官服役條例》39條還有施行規則48條的規定這是剛剛委員所提到的當消費者的指數累積成長增幅5%然後每4年會做一個檢討這是現行的相關的規定 |
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8601.998 |
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那要不要調整?調整的比例是由相關退輔機關,包括國防部、全系部、教育部共同組成專業評估的小組來評估整個調整的方案,就報告考試員跟行政院合併,本部來指使。那像剛剛委員說的,那目前最近兩次的調整 |
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111年7月配合4年時間到了定期的調整調整2%那113年調整4%因為物價指數在111到112物價指數成長了5.52%那目前114年我所知道我們並沒有研議退職人員調薪的相關的一些事情好 |
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所以也予以重視軍公教因為現在對軍人來講是他們最能夠在意的就是調薪那當然國軍希望能夠給他們一個非常重視跟尊重那另外就是有沒有可能農民 |
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8669.243 |
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榮民的醫院到精英的醫院的看診的優惠你是不是可以責成跟國防部來做一個雙向的一個溝通因為很多我想各位你一生中你是軍人出身 |
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我相信你的習慣都到你的在軍業裡面比如說替你看診的他的專業他的權威你可能會富裕信心交給他來看診 |
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所以我們退伍之後我們變成農民的話當然我們到軍中到軍醫院裡面他所付的待遇並不是像農民一樣的優惠所以是不是可以雙向跟國防部裡面再做一個溝通能不能比照 |
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8706.416 |
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上次委員指導之後,我們現在目前正在辦理的是不分退伍的關節,有志榮民全合補助 |
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8734.405 |
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我們修了我們相關的一個就醫的辦法已經完成了現在目前呈報行政院在核定當中那這個將來的預算是每年大概增加新台幣1200萬元 |
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那如果剛剛委員所指導的我們可以轉到國軍軍醫院的話那這個醫療補助的費用負擔我相信你們會考慮到這個預算的問題可能會增加一倍以上但是你們可以在院會提出這樣的想法如果不提出怎麼會有這個怎麼會有這個機會但這也是直接照顧到軍人啦好不好你也是本身軍人我也是本身軍人 |
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那我想說你們提出這樣的一個概念這是一個我的論述希望能夠促成好不好另外就是因為 |
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我比個案例108年的5月1號警察消防海巡移民空勤人員醫療照護實施的方案的對象是警消海巡移民及空勤等人等人員及遺見而且還包含退休人員照護的方式之一是以國防部 |
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退補會所屬的醫療機構就醫時免收掛號費而且在國防部退補會所屬醫療機構就醫健保部分分擔者來這個費用由 |
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行政院全額補助所以這個可以比照這樣的一個方案然後來做一個討論跟我們的國防部來雙向的一個溝通來替我們這個軍人能夠習慣到軍醫裡面看審也比照榮民的待遇裡面好不好謝謝委員關心 |
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那另外就是針對退補會高山農場恐遭到光電板的入侵那我想你們這個退補會有在新聞稿裡面有澄清這個新增太陽能相關事項系針對現況無法農業這個農業耕作使用是低度利用土地農場得以符合地方政府土地使用管制規定前提之下 |
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請問在設置這樣的一個這麼清幽而且沒有污染的地方而造成你光電的設置造成污染 |
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這個就是你們要考慮的地方因為退不回全國經營的五大農場機構經營事項正式新增太陽能及生殖能相關事項所以你們要考慮如果建蓋這個太陽能只是你們剛剛所提的你們新聞稿的澄清裡面的範圍可是一旦設置太陽能的時候可能就不止這個範圍了為什麼 |
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業者會借用這個機會裡面去設置其他的一個地方所以這個就是你們要思考的可不可能暫緩先不要再做這樣的一個光電的一個入侵的一個辦法你們再思考看看有沒有可能 |
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各位有關於農場開放重電造成環境問題我跟委員做過說明我們曾經發佈過新聞稿我們現在目前山高山光光的農場是絕對沒有那個絕對會影響就是山高山是沒有的我們現在唯一有的是平地彰化農場是平地農場那這平地農場彰化農場有16處大概17公頃它是設置在哪裡是低度利用等於沒有開發價值的土地的地方一個排水溝 |
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委員會主任委員 |
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謝謝我們主委今天提出的想法我們是一致的那另外就是剛剛徐巧欣委員所提的幻象2000不管今天它就是要做一個雙渦輪雙引擎我們今天我們所有的幻象2000所有的機密它包含它的機種機能跟它的這個整個的一個信念對岸都已經了若指掌第二個 |
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我們未來我們如果要延續延壽8年甚至到20年有沒有必要更換新的機種以成本的條件來說如果今天我們在延續延壽但是如果它的成本的價高而且它的機種它的極限提高價格的話我們國人能不能接受所以是你們思考的地方好不好 |
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謝謝委員我把委員意見轉達給我們空軍因為我上次都已經質詢有關於這個換項兩線的一個汰換的問題我相信你們在擔任國防部的時候你就很清楚他的性能沒有錯 |
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但是如果8年延售到20年已經機種已經以現代的機種來講改為6代機了改為6代機了所以有沒有必要延售有沒有必要再來來跟他們做一個簽約合同把這些的這個機種再延售下去成本過高成本過高好不好主委我會轉達給他們謝謝委員指導 |
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主委請回接下來請陳冠廷委員上台質詢你好我們請主委 |
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有請主委 |
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陳委員好主委好所以剛才王定委有特別王定委員有特別提到這個關於護左的這個相關的議題那其實這跟醫療都有相關那其實最近我們常常提到說很多一些民間團體那針對重大災變或者是面臨緊急的應變的時候都在講說要怎麼樣去做基本的防護包含急救等等 |
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我是希望說農民總醫院跟其他的相關由退輔會所轄管的能夠做這樣的準備就是特別把這些相關的儲備藥品輸液或者是一些包含抗生素等重大災害必須要應對的這些儲備量必須要因應情勢來去做調整有的時候當然是在和平的期間當然不需要做這樣的事情但是如果我們是希望說有跨部會的平台如果國安 |
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提早做準備的時候這些調配這些重要的這些藥物的這些儲備必須要把它提高 |
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委員這個在我們衛福部主導的所謂的動員計劃我們退伍會也是一環這裏面是動員計劃的一個團體一個單位這裏面包含剛剛委員所講的藥物醫事人力病床設施急救全部都有相關的規劃這屬於動員工業界塊沒錯都有 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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完善的機制,我只是因為王帝委員特別提到這個部分,我認為還是要做好一些,平時都要做好一些準備。是,跟委員報告,這邊有25項的藥品,跟70項的衛材,那整個三大種種,臺北、臺中、高雄,它增加的儲備量是25000人份,這是平常,按照我剛剛跟委員報告的動員準備計劃裡面,就已經做好儲備好了。 |
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非常好謝謝主委那我還是在強調因為近期有提到這個森林食鹽水的這個這些輸液的這個缺貨的狀況所以我們都必須要做好準備的原因我還是要再提醒對其實這個除了市場機制之外因為在比較緊急的狀況之下就不符合市場機制我們變得要做非常應變那所以必須有一些相關的這個部分我還是希望趕快準備好 |
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主委,您知道是哪三個縣市嗎? |
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馬祖只有馬祖,馬祖沒有榮福處,馬祖是歸新竹榮福處來管理分別是新竹連江跟我們的嘉義縣因為嘉義縣的業務是由我們嘉義市的榮福處來負責 |
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不過不會因為沒有在地的農福處而缺少我們退福會的服務因為畢竟縣市其實是一體的儘管說在縣的部分沒有我們直接的農福處但是我還是必須從人數來看從農民的人數來看我們嘉義縣的人數大概是有4000多人那跟這個宜蘭雲林差不多那跟這個南投台東5000多人也相距不遠 |
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可是如果是嘉義縣加上嘉義市的話就有7500多位的農民朋友那都由同一個農民服務處來提供服務可是如果說我們嘉義縣農民有業務要處理就要跑到嘉義市這樣的車程可能會花一些農民朋友半天以上的時間特別如果是在山區的話那不僅僅是在我們嘉義縣市那幾個這個福原寮或者縣市也有這樣子的情況 |
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融服處都有責任區的輔導員來去做這些探訪跟協助那我們加一縣市共7500農民但是只有4個責任區的輔導員11個社區的輔導組長 |
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我想請教一下主委我們嘉義縣的農民朋友受到這樣子的量能會不會相對的比起來會協助得到的協助會不會更少那我們要怎麼樣去做一些修正或者是改善跟委員報告按照嘉義縣嘉義市農民員數7500然後服務組數11組農運智慧142這個服務量能來看跟其他比他是比的是比較低的 |
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所以讓委員指導之後我想我回去會請我們輔導處怎麼樣去增加這塊嘉峪縣市地區的服務量的不管是服務的主數或者是榮興志工數一定要能夠滿足當地榮民的服務的一個目的 |
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謝謝主委那我再強調一下其實資源的配置本來就因為它不是無限的資源本來就要做一些配置上面的考量那除了剛才主委講到的針對嘉義縣市的配置可能做調整之外我還是強調現在儘管說我們現在農民朋友現在跟過去一樣以前都會曾經會加一個老農民但現在其實很多農民朋友他還正值中壯年但是這一些 |
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主委來去協助 |
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加益分場的觀光活化 |
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委員好我是事業管理處處長楊長正針對嘉義分廠其實我們一直想跟嘉義縣政府合作西拉雅風景區合作現在也在密切的合作因為我們本身就有碼頭那未來大埔藍色公路的游戲廊帶一個計劃我們是積極參與的我們也拜訪積極拜訪聯繫的我們吳明君鄉長 |
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當地鄉民的期待在我們招商的過程裡面我們都納入鄉民的意見所以未來我們還是以觀光產業為主來這樣朝這個方向來做我們113年總共辦理了6次的招商說明會總共有24家的廠商來參與那很可惜可能有些原因廠商裹足不前 |
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委員會主席 |
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也是經過你們的回覆啦你們有提到說是因為公司資本額高水源保護區法令嚴格這些都是在這個考量他們的考量範圍所以傾向來不予投標那針對公司資本額過高跟水源保護區法令的部分你有什麼樣的你們有什麼樣的見解資本額過高的地方其實我們考量我們自己做內部會議檢討以後我們可以把它降低 |
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降低以後可以增加他們參與的人數公司的意願就這樣另外一個就是開發期程原本我們規範是3.5年開發期程稍微給他延長在開發期間我們就不收他的權利金只收地租用這種方式來擴大廠商的投資意願 |
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好謝謝因為我們是希望說這樣子的分場可以盡快開始營運不要放在那邊當成是蚊子館而且我還是在強調大埔鄉包含這個水庫周遭的這個風景它其實是非常優美的它確實是有潛力成為重要的這個景區那越快越好好不好這個部分再麻煩你那最後 |
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剛才我們其實節目委員有提到那主委我們這次報告裡面有提到說提供軍民轉場結合AI運用功能我想請教一下現在距離有哪一些難以解決的問題或瓶頸用傳統方法無法有效解決需要用AI技術來去克服的傳統方法跟委員報告因為他比較沒辦法跟民借解軍中的專長跟民間借解 |
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這個系統主要就是讓我們軍中的專長能夠很順利的跟民間的這些職場所謂的職業借鑒所以我們在這系統剛剛有報告除了軍中的專長要輸進去然後勞動部所有的職業要輸進去還有所有的職業的百科全部都輸進去這三大部分都在這裡面然後就做個分析就對接將來出來之後能夠有一個滿意的一個需求 |
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提供足夠的資訊,才能夠做有效的借鑑。 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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其實我這個主席可不可以再20秒再補充一個這個主委你有沒有聽過DEFDefense Entrepreneur Forum就是國防創業論壇 |
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這是一個在美國一個在推行的一個論壇那是由軍方人員跟退役人員還有科技界創業界的人共同來組成的一個論壇那這個論壇沒有任何的強制性就是等於是他們從民間主動去發起的那我們一直提到這件事情的原因是他其實跟退服會有關聯其實很多軍人退休 |
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或者是這個退伍的這些朋友們他們其實本身有很多專長那他們可以在退役之後來發展第二個這個第二層他可以自己去創業跟國防相關的跟科技相關的跟國防科技相關的那藉由這樣子的論壇讓這一個他們退休的退役的這些軍人 |
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委員會主席 |
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不一定要用同樣的名字,類似的這些做法,多創造可能性,就是說除了在現有的可能性之外,創造多出來的可能性,讓這些退役人士有機會來去參與新創、創新。謝謝。謝謝委員指導。謝謝陳冠廷委員。主委請回。那接下來我們請楊崇英委員上台質詢。 |
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現在主席 楊祖銘發言 邀請主委 |
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主任好,我想台灣非常榮耀的就是我們整個醫療體系,所以醫療體系我們努力也跟卓院長一直在討論,跟邱部長在討論,也就是點子議題。那終於,雖然卓院長跟邱部長不太同調,但是方向一致。 |
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明年的一點零點九五那邱部長也有這個目標也有這個信心我們大家一起努力但是我們看到進來的跟我們的成本就這一次在醫界裡頭的電力問題因為它24小時不能停所以我們立即反映像這麼重大你竟然讓醫院要漲價 |
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那這個同步的又會嫁禍到我們整個人民這是非常的不公平的一件事情因為你的政策錯誤要讓人民來受苦這是不對的所以還好他們也聽到了這個聲音那麼也將醫療院所的就動長但是我要提醒主委你是大家長籠總體系全部都在這裡現在是動長 |
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而不是不漲什麼時候又要漲你的成本要怎麼增加這個是非常嚴肅的一個議題這一次我們擋掉了這個漲價的問題但是我們還是非常的害怕我們謹慎所以因此你是大家長你要嚴正以待對不對你要充分的告訴政府醫療體系不能亂漲 |
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我24小時ICU什麼通通都不能漲欸都不能停欸你一漲了我怎麼辦啊我現在就身臨塗炭了我告訴你對不對你要大聲像我這個精神告訴政府他就聽得到 |
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醫護筆 |
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委員會主任委員會主席委員會主席 |
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經濟方案給本席我希望護病比他還有下修的空間那怎麼樣讓他們可以留得住這是你大家長的責任一個月將經濟方案給本席 |
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北龍 |
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有附設龍光幼稚園說兩歲到六歲我們中龍有零到二歲托嬰立法院在我們的轉角也有那其他的沒有啊那怎麼辦呢最後你們發覺這個問題 |
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我們既然已經有了可以當一個典範大家來磨來學習因為每一個區塊的樣態不一樣所以本市非常希望政府也有規定啊你多少人你就要射啊你幹嘛政府自己帶頭對不對違法不讓他們安心啊你看我的助理他生了一個baby他把孩子帶到那邊再來上班 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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這個托嬰中心的確是非常重要的現在目前我們榮民體系只有中榮他是有這個托嬰中心的其他各榮院因為考量這個地方的一個要不要去盤點目的加強醫務人員在他生孩子之後他可以重返回來啊這些有經驗有能力的不能讓他跑掉啊對不對 |
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安定人心是你要不要做啊要做要做齁你去盤點好不好你去盤點之後看要怎麼做請各位委員會盤點盡量能夠推動盡量能夠推動那同時這個我很感謝你多久時間要告訴我你去盤點這個要一點時間讓各位委員會盤點沒關係你告訴我幾個月的時間多久時間要多久時間盤點 |
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我們把盤點的結果看是不是3個月,因為榮業有16所榮業3個月時間去盤點也嚴密方案我們諧訓漸進去把它精進嘛因為你既然招不到人你至少讓你現在內部的人可以安定下來他生孩子之後他還可以再緩回欸對不對這是我們既有的就不能讓他跑掉嘛同不同意這個論調 |
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了解是同意不同意同意同意三個月內去進行接下來我告訴你一個嚴肅的應該要做的應該要做謝謝你我告訴你一個議題我們每一天啊在拜託病房陳情安太可憐了我們也沒辦法所以你要從根 |
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去解決現在的入病房大概都是96%、97%、98%更何況有急急路路人在急診室突然間要來的對不對你現在的病房已經飽和到這個程度你該怎麼辦你不能拒絕病人我們榮總是金字招牌要怎麼辦要怎麼辦所以主委這是你的功課 |
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你去盤點他已經90幾%的你要找邱部長啊對不對你找他來橫向討論我這哪一個院所可以再增加多少病房你要幫我請我們龍總的負責人自己去趕快想辦法對不對你當一個大家長你必須要去解決根本的問題根本的問題好不好全部滿90幾% |
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那你要怎麼去解決我把這個功課給你我把這個功課給你真正的來照顧我們的人民嘛因為你不能拒絕病人好不好 |
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美其名我稱讚你說錄病房的都97、98、99%甚至超標有的留在這個急診室沒有病房其實都超過二吧都100%啦都100%了我把這個社會現象我想主委你拼命點頭你也知道這個問題北龍的陳院長你站上來你可以告訴我方案嗎對不對你要告訴我方案啊你怎麼樣 |
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因為所有的院所都一樣都需要啊所以部長等一下陳院長回答以前部長你要多跟邱部長喝咖啡對不對源頭在那裡啊合不合準在那裡啊對不對你不要讓底下的跳腳啊你要多跟邱部長喝咖啡嘛好不好主委你有沒有跟邱部長喝過咖啡你同意誰 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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謝謝楊從英委員 |
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那我們請林玉君委員接下來質詢謝謝主席：有請研主委教委好 |
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主委好我剛剛看了業務報告裡面第19頁有提到退輔會至110年開始有一個新興向榮的計畫負責培育友誼從事榮業的退出役官兵那請問主委30個人結訓13個人從榮這樣是110年到現在的統計還是今年度的統計呢 |
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目前是41個人41個人目前新增加了到41個人那41個人這裡面有兩成將近20個人是從農的那這裡的資料是110年事辦所以是110年到現在就對了嘛對不對而如果是三年內就是只有這樣的退出役官兵開始勿農這樣的話是不是這個數字還是有很大的努力空間我們盡量去輔導去宣導 |
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所以希望退伍會在訓練退出役官兵從事農業上還是需要更費心更努力然後接下來想要請教主委一下就是你們退伍會旗下的農場土地面積非常的廣大但閒置的土地到目前為止你們清查了有多少土地閒置狀況嗎 |
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委員好我是事業管理處處長其實我們現在農場的土地沒有閒置的狀況都在委外經營大概有2000多公頃其他現在沒有委外經營的土地除了自營以外都是公共設施的用地或機關的用地 |
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所以現在就是都沒有閒置的狀況就對了那你們修訂了一個叫做所屬農場管理經營的辦法第3條加入退伍會所屬的農場經營的綠電條款這個等於退伍會農場可以處分或利用閒置的土地這樣開了一扇大門那這個光電開發的利益其實就很龐大了我們都知道過去幾年光電開發其實是弊案連連有的連農地都拿來種電 |
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甚至還是在生態失地上面蓋太陽冷板那我想要請教主委退伍會對於農場土地開發現在有沒有什麼防避措施呢還是要如何確保你們修這個法會不會讓退伍會在未來也會牽扯到這些弊案呢 |
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報告委員我先跟您報告首先我們農場種田在山高山農場我們是不種田的剛剛黃委員問的時候我們也這樣答覆事實上也不會在山高山農場種田因為他們是國內非常重要的觀光資源那目前為止我們就在彰化農場種田大概有17公頃在種田16處地方這些地方都是溝渠、賽場 |
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委員會主席 |
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我們不允許我們的委員戶來直接參與重電所以這個是最主要防病我們擔心是假委員增重電的方式你要申請跟我們委員農場那我們絕對不會允許這個當兵拿來重電而且每一個案子都是我們會裡面親自審查的這個這點請委員放心 |
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好那你們有沒有辦法就是說退我有沒有辦法在這個企業中要求業者一定要僱用一定比例的退出役官兵呢?這樣是不是可以增加退出役官兵的就業的機會呢?因為這種事情我覺得是應該要努力而且要努力達成因為這個要保障退出役官兵的工作權而且現在退出會要利用這個手上的籌碼盡量可以幫忙我們退出役官兵爭取待遇比較好的工作 |
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主委你覺得是嗎?應該,我們不管是農場或者事業單位,我們都鼓勵退出役官兵來就業,所以這是我們安置的一個目的,最重要的目的之一。好,那我想要再請教主委一個問題,就是因為本席跟花蓮地區的環保及戶數的團體都非常關心的問題,那就是有關現在為我們花蓮有臺東農場管理的松原別館相違外馬,因為光光的景氣都熄燈了,所以造成 |
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請問退伍會有沒有什麼樣的維護計畫呢? |
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委員好我們的松原別管因為受到疫情跟地震的影響颱風的影響我們統計到今年的8月份它的遊客數衰退65%所以廠商經營不下去了那經營不下去之後我們在休園期間事實上我們跟廠商有達成協議就是裡面的設施包括我們的珍貴的松樹他都要負責維管了我們農場又派人去花蓮分廠派人去維管 |
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目前為止我們在10月7號的時候也重新招標出去的這裡面很大的一個議題我們跟廠商的合作意向就是要珍貴老松樹的照顧所以請委員放心所以你們已經找到新的營運團隊10月要進駐松原別館了是不是對現在在整修大概明年的1月就開始營運了 |
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首先要恭喜北榮還有中榮還有高榮三家醫學中心都獲選2025年全球的智慧醫院的牌 |
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跟委員報告 |
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花東山院主要是北榮負責,臺北榮總支援花東山院,112年3個院分配13,到了113年變成81,所以支援能量是擴充的,整次也是從88到134,顯著的增加。目前現職人數是玉里、鳳林各2位,但是支援人數玉里增加到34位之多。 |
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相關的一些經濟的措施,因為北榮院長今天剛好又來,我請他跟您做詳細的報告 |
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報告的召委,我們有三個分院在那裡,其實我從花蓮出來,我在花蓮待過下鄉兩年,有特殊的情感,所以他們的狀況我非常的清楚,我一直在鼓勵醫院優秀的同仁,盡量到花東去,照顧他們健康,不過因為受0403的地震,0725的凱敏颱風,的確受到一些影響,不過現在已經派了一個很棒的副院長過去, |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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因為現在也知道常常就是0403地震之後那個交通都斷了所以東部的醫療還有東部的職員這些真的是需要那個退伍會來重視的還有根據我的了解外服佈置111年有一個原住民及離島地區的醫事人員公費生養成的計劃是111年到115年原本規劃 |
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未來5年每年有3名的醫學系的公費生後來考量因為金門縣的未來的醫療照顧人力的需求所以在他第5期的計畫中再增加10名金門縣的醫學系的公費醫生培育的名額那我想要請教主委 |
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就是我們花蓮、臺東這地區雖然不是離島啦但是也是屬於原住民的地區偏遠的地區那今年都歷經了0403然後又凱米風災然後再加上最近的山陀爾風災全部這樣幾乎路都斷了造成花蓮對外的交通幾乎中斷 |
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都快變成孤島了請問一下在你們退伍會的榮總體系下尤其是臺北榮總在花東地區還有御鳳臺三分院長期面臨的醫師人員的不足根據內政部今年的2月第6週的統計通報各縣市原住民的人口以花林有9.3萬人最多 |
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那表示我們花蓮地區原住民的人數那麼多那你們要如何主動努力有沒有什麼作為呢有沒有什麼計劃呢還是你們是不是要向行政院和衛福部爭取推動由臺北榮總訓練增加培育公費的醫生到花東服務的名額因為這樣我們可以推動花東醫生的在地化而且以充實花東地區的基層及偏鄉地區的醫師人力 |
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報告委員在地深耕是最重要的事情那其實金門醫療也是臺北榮總在負責那現在金寶生的成效已經出來現在金寶生回去回鄉服務的人變多了所以資源變少了金寶生他為了作用所以剛才森委員也提出這個問題我們就大膽的向衛福部會提出請求 |
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如果能花寶生、冬寶生這個是可以長期培養更多的公費生我本身也是公費生這個對花冬會有很大的幫助短暫的資源、滾水那個是沒有辦法去生根那我們如果可以有生根的計畫這個是對我們花冬會有很大的助益所以我們會朝這條路也跟衛福部來溝通那朝這條路來幫助花冬的我們的病人 |
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好那這樣的話可能就要朝這個方向去努力因為之前有來辦公室報告過也是說現在交通的方面就是有時候路就斷了本來是要去支援的醫生本來準備要去的還是已經去的一天又要回來他根本沒有辦法回來所以我當初也是有建議說那是不是支援醫生要說在那邊就是三個月呢還是一個月呢還是因為大部分的醫病關係都是 |
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謝謝各位謝謝 |
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接下來我們請羅志強委員上台質詢有請原主委請原主委 |
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主委好你擔任過國防部長參謀總長國安會秘書長歷任重要君子也語文國家安全核心要務那我有一些很憂心的問題想要請教您的意見最近有一位美國國際關係和政治學大師米爾斯海默他在接受訪問時提出一個讓我震驚又難過的看法他說 |
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烏克蘭將成為丟失大片領土的殘存政權請問主委你有看過這段訪問嗎沒有看過米爾斯海默的訪問有兩個重點第一個就是烏克蘭很難撐過2025年因此在今年底到明年初之間戰爭就會結束然後轉變成凍結衝突至於烏克蘭將成為一個功能失調丟失大片領土的殘存政權 |
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第二,北約直接派遣地面或空中部隊進入烏克蘭,並與俄軍直接交火的可能性非常小,因為美國也不希望跟俄羅斯打一場大國戰爭。您對於米爾斯海默前面這兩項主張有什麼看法嗎? |
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報告委員二無戰爭這些年打到現在那烏克蘭主要是以北約為首的美國為首在那邊支持那雙方當初為了一些領土的主權這些爭議那目前來看似乎也不至於像教授剛剛講的那個結果 |
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你認為不至於那麼悲觀吧其實我也希望不要那麼悲觀啦但是米爾斯海默的看法目前看起來不是單一的特例那也越來越多國際的媒體甚至專家學者也紛紛有對烏克蘭的前途表示一些悲觀的看法比如說金融時報就報導說澤倫斯基訪美空手而還 |
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沒有要到攻打俄國的長程武器也沒有獲到承諾加入北約那經濟學人的報導說烏克蘭本國內反對領土換和平的民意從八成七降到了五成五那西方有些媒體過去對於力挺基輔為民主而戰那最近也開始轉變一些擔憂擔心烏克蘭沒有辦法贏回國土也難以停戰我先說我非常同情烏克蘭我也不樂見 |
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今天烏克蘭走向米爾斯海默或這些國際媒體的悲觀預測但我希望臺灣的領導者把今日的烏克蘭當作禁止不要變成下一個烏克蘭我不知道那個主委你認同我這樣的擔心嗎當然是和平是無價的戰爭沒有人願意的所以像俄烏戰爭我想大家都看得到這狀況是非常慘的尤其是百姓平民所以我們是希望能夠追求和平 |
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那我就要把視角轉到臺灣內部來我今天看到聯合報短評提到大選後美國國會代表團來臺綜藝人蓋拉茲爆料蔡賴兩人很關心原屋預算被卡那臺灣非常擔憂美國會從烏克蘭一走了之我不知道蔡英文跟賴清德有沒有對美國表示對烏克蘭情勢的擔心但我認為他們真的該擔心那主委你覺得他們會擔心該擔心嗎 |
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那我要特別講我覺得他們該擔心因為事實上相同的情形我們要去看到烏克蘭這邊禁止才能夠防止那事實上蔡總統訪問捷克他過去捷克一直很支持烏克蘭但是 |
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捷克總統帕維爾3月才代籌炮彈現在卻要烏克蘭跟支持者面對現實讓部分領土暫時處於俄國控制之下這讓我想到蔡總統以前說過臺灣跟烏克蘭一樣絕不妥協但是這次訪問我就覺得那蔡英文可不可以問一下那是不是捷克的態度依然是希望烏克蘭絕不妥協還是如捷克總統現在的建議會所謂面對現實那接下來我就要問到今天實際上我們可以看到 |
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委員會主任 |
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最近您知道賴清德總統他有主持全社會防衛任性委員國安會提出了40萬可支援軍事行動的可視名利計劃範圍非常龐大包括公務人力、民間救災團體、現役退役的替代役、義務警消、社區名利以及還有其他的NGO組織連慈善團體都沒放過也要放進來我想請教一下我們退輔會主要是服務的對象是誰 |
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我們服務對象是榮民榮眷退出役官兵那請問榮民榮眷退出役官兵有沒有放進這個可視名利當中可視名利這40萬的可視名利有沒有把榮民榮眷退出役官兵算進去如果是動員規劃也算的話那我們就是有參與動員規劃這一塊 |
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最後我做一個簡單的結論事實上我覺得我為什麼前面要提烏克蘭的狀況烏克蘭其實也是全民皆兵 舉國皆戰對不對 打這場戰爭但是即便到了烏克蘭這個狀況今天也出現非常多悲觀的一個預測 |
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更何況因為主委你不只是退輔委主委你也當過國防部長那很多人也講說今天你要去搞一個所謂的那個40萬的所謂的可視名利可是國軍的志願役人數6月以來近年創近年新低多數戰鬥部隊編線比不到八成這些所謂的現役跟所謂的志願役的這個編組跟編隊長期有不足的現象嘛對不對 |
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您當過前面的幾個部會首長嗎?目前看比例是比較不一樣如果說今天我們的賴總統他的防衛計畫他認為說我們要把剛剛你講退出役官兵當作一個所謂的動員的主力那你覺得退出役官兵在未來萬一發生戰事他的所謂的戰鬥的那個力量強還是現在志願役的官兵力量強? |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員上台質詢 |
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主席、在黨委員、先進、列席的總行政組長、官員、會長、公務夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請我們嚴主任委員那也請我們池處長在旁代表協助 |
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總委員好主委好 處長好 主委我們也相識多年了那我看到你就會回憶當年在莫拉克風災你那時候被稱為88將軍那時候呢協助我們災區很多雖然時隔這麼多年還是要再度感念 謝謝謝謝委員的支持尤其是我們在前不久遭逢強力颱風啊超過 |
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這個40幾年前的賽洛瑪我們現在餘悸猶存特別彰顯當年您的協助我們民族珍貴在這裡藉此機會愚公於世謝謝兩位我肩膀的這個韌帶關節受傷要謝謝北榮的陳院長那那個 |
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另外我要謝謝我們平榮我們的吳院長讓主委知道這次他的掛號費從150跳到降到100雖然距離民眾的期待有點落差但是普惠全部的就醫民眾給您肯定也謝謝我們未來農民醫院農民總醫院的體系持續的在全國各地支持照顧我們民眾的健康好不好謝謝委員但是我這邊有一些小小的心得我覺得我們的醫療技術都非常的好 |
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委員會主席 |
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提出要求一些相對應未來能夠有助於我們國家發展對外關係不要一次包袱都抖光了那個所有的技術都人家學走了得到了友情但是其他的注意相當有限希望你們能夠成為我們在新南向外交上一個堅實的技術後盾可以嗎 |
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可以那我也希望說我們在場的榮總體系啊既然被其他國家所肯定那我們希望說能夠有助於我們國家在跟其他的外交關係上扮演一個另類的一個外交尖兵謝謝那麼接下來呢還是回到我們本席關切的一直以來兩個核心問題一個就是屏東榮總那屏東榮總非常辛苦那麼因為呢我們目前的醫護人員的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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我其實我待會也會去委員會提同樣類似的意見其實總院長們都非常認真你們給的資源也黃多浪但問題是沒有人就是沒有人所以這些人要從哪裡來我們退伍會要跟衛福部共同來思考我這次的去開刀我真正體會到我們醫院裡面不是只有受過專業訓練的醫護人員還有很多的輔佐人力推輪椅的啦翻床的啦但我發現我們的醫護人員過勞 |
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很多非核心的技術業務他們仍然要去執行晚上11點把你叫起來晚上1點把你叫起來量血壓那叫你吃藥吃什麼藥吃安眠藥開玩笑這不是這個意思就是說有些非醫護的專業核心業務我們是不是請衛護部思考一下有一些護理佐理人員讓他能夠進入到我們的醫療體系你覺得會不會退伍會也往衛護部這邊來反映總院長們支不支持這樣一個方向 |
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主委他們都用掌聲了嘛所以你在部會行政院的時候要堅持要堅定請衛福部檢討我們現在醫療體系當中護理人員非核心專業領域以外的這些事務可以創設護理佐理人員的方式來協助他們因為目前這些推輪椅的其實也不是專業人力都是人力派遣 |
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看護很多都是外籍他們也沒有語文溝通的能力只受過短短的訓練這都會影響到我們的品質那最後呢有一個時間上我要跟您請求就是處長來的原因就是我們的國軍退出役官兵其實呢目前有一類跟二類未達10年的這些目前是我們國軍招募人力的重點 |
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但很清楚的他們被招募進來就知道在30多歲的時候他們要開展事業的第二村因此他們接下來第二村的職場的職涯的技能的訓練非常的重要那我給你一個提示就不用再多勞您回應了就是其實目前有一個職場非常缺人就是公共運輸的價值 |
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公共運輸的價值其實目前我在協助這些客運車業者跟交通部去爭取因為他們需要的是離峰尖峰的人力需求差別很大我們的退除役官兵他退休之後他退伍之後他或許不需要全職的工作非常適合這種所謂的part-time的集中在人力尖峰需求的派遣工作主委可不可以請我們處長跟我們各地的就業部員們 |
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不是宣導 要訓練 訓練而且不只是短一期的 簡單回答一下 佔一點時間跟委員報告 其實那個客運 大客車都非常的缺那現在有一個原因要跟委員報告 我們也去了解就是因為他受完訓 他要考照 這個當中要經過三個月 |
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11924.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
11938.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
三個月的一個空窗期他要等待所以很多的我們退伍官兵有去受訓但是沒有辦法等這個三個月的空窗期再去考照所以他們都跑掉那我們現在要跟委員報告像國光科運局內來講他都主動來找我們那他們也知道這個問題存在這個三個月的問題他們現在非常釋出的善意也就是說這三個月我給你這三個月是哪個主管機關可以來調整的 |
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11949.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
11973.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
這個是交通部好那很簡單我們就來找交通部協調是好不好我找客運業者現在全聯會的理事長是屏東客運的董事長是那他的人力有代表全國的需求你們也來一起參與協調我請交通部來我們來協調讓我們的國軍退除役官兵在退伍之前他所習得的第二技能價值技能可以在他退伍的第二春的枝芽來貢獻我們社會是可以嗎可以主委請指示一下可以嗎可以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
11984.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
好 那就我未來再召開協調會的時候請退伍會 積極的來協助處理好不好 我們來跟交通部爭取 來跟衛福部爭取好不好我們會繼續協助好 謝謝 謝謝我們主委 懷念的88將軍 謝謝謝謝宗嘉斌委員主委請回接下來我們請劉詢廷委員上台質詢 |
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12001.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
12029.511 |
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好謝謝主席喔這個嚴主委有請有請嚴主委嚴委員好好主委喔這個雖然我們跟中加兵委員黨派立場不同有時候常常吵架但他剛剛提的喔讓這個退除役的官兵喔接受職業價值職業訓練這一點本性非常非常贊同我認為那是非常好的idea那我也提醒一下就是你退輔會也投資新興客運公司嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
12030.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
12030.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
今天要談的是榮民遺孤的認養活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
12053.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
12067.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
緣起是本席選區的一個感人的故事這本席選區的選民就在這個退府會工作那他本身也是榮眷那當然就會響應這個退府會的這個既有的這個計劃那就就認養了一個榮民遺孤這一例認養就是數十年 |
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12071.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
12100.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
到他成年按照規定你在認養的期間你是不可以跟他相見的因為這個會有倫理的問題所以這個遺孤一直都只知道認養人的名字但都不聞其人一直到今年已經28歲透過臉書找人感恩之旅一樣就找到這個這位認養人認養人就終於跟跟他們相遇認養的榮券跟被認養的人就相遇了約出來一起吃飯雙方見面吃飯過程其實非常 |
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12100.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
12129.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
感動的那這是一個小事但我覺得這是一件很棒的事情本席也是榮民之後我的爺爺也是榮民那我非常希望這樣子的一個好的溫暖的故事能夠擴大來處理所以我現在知道退服會有沒有處長副處長級以上的官員應該都要響應政策嗎都有認養的習慣那當然大部分的認養人也都有榮民榮眷的身份請問這個主委知不知道現在這個被認養的榮民遺孤有多少人 |
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12129.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
12153.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
我們現在目前被認養農民遺孤的577個人他每個月可以得到多少資金每個月認養金是3000塊3000塊對不對其實就是一個一般來講你有一點點餘裕的人都可以發揮愛心的一個很好的一個機制那請問主委知不知道現在我們當然希望這不是只是退輔會的事也不是只是我們榮影的事情對不對是希望社會大眾來共同參與所以說推動這個農民來做認養以外社會大眾的參與狀況是怎麼樣 |
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12159.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
12177.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
目前到9月份社會人士以及團體任養有1767個人次那捐款的金額是1145萬元那榮民券還有本會我們所屬以及我們自己的投資事業經理人捐款捐了1116萬總TOTAL是2261萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
12181.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
12181.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
公務委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
12208.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
12214.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
這個狀況是一直很穩定我們也都一直很持續的一直在踴躍的鼓勵社會大眾跟我們榮民榮捐來那樣遺孤 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
12215.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
12239.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
所以大概比例都是社會人士一半退伏會自己人的一半我們現在希望是什麼第一個總量當然越多越好那當然你退伏會你的人數是不會變的相對來講待遇也是不會變的維繫這樣的愛情很好但我們能夠做的事情是多找幾個這樣子的案例比如說認養成功的案例寫寫感人的故事做一做宣傳鼓勵更多人社會大眾來認養而且不要讓大家覺得說這只是這個榮民榮券去認養遺孤這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
12242.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
12258.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
指限於榮民這個圈子裡面的事情我們應該要鼓勵社會大眾好的案例對社會大眾好的案例要引入那第二個你按照這個數據算一下因為你剛剛有講這我們大概一年移國人數被鎮養人數577人一個月3000塊乘起來一年的支出是1300 |
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12259.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
12260.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
委員會主任委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
12283.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
12283.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
12296.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
12296.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我們會在各項活動的時候來做宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
12319.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
12320.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
謝謝劉許廷委員主委請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
12346.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
12351.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
蘇巧惠委員不在鄭振前委員不在吳思瑤委員不在高金樹梅委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
12367.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
12370.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
徐欣宜委員．蘇清泉委員．麥玉珍委員．邱志偉委員． |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
12386.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
12398.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
已登記質詢委員．除了不在場外均已發言完畢．報告及詢答結束本日會議有麥玉珍委員．邱志偉委員提出書面質詢．請列入紀錄並刊登公報．請相關機關以書面與兩周內答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
12405.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
12411.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
委員口頭質詢未及答覆部分或要求補充資料者亦請相關單位已書面於兩週內提供委員令約定期限者從期鎖定本日會議到此結束上會 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:37 - 12:03:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16161 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16161 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-3 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-09T08:36:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-09T12:03:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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