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報告委員會現在繼續開會今天的議程是我們邀請國科會主委列席報告業務概況並備質詢首先介紹在場的委員其次介紹與會的官員委員可能還在準備的錄像我們先來介紹與會的官員首先我們先介紹是國科會主委吳誠文主委副主委林法正副主委陳秉宇副主委蘇政剛 |
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以及主任秘書林廣宏執行秘書楊嘉玲綜合規劃處處長彭麗春自然科學及永續研究發展處處長賴明志工程技術研究發展處處長洪樂文生命科學研究發展處處長楊台鴻 |
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人文及社會科學研究發展處副處長鄭瓊芬科教發展及國際合作處處長李旺龍前瞻及應用科技處處長蔡妙慈 |
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產學及園區業務處處長許貞儒秘書處處長黃玉清人事處處長呂士一政風處處長簡振坤主計處處長廖玉燕資訊處處長周子源法規會執行秘書張益榮 |
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以及我們研究誠信辦公室主任蔡志誠還有我們新竹科學園區管理局局長陳宗全還有中部科學園區管理局副局長施文芳還有南部科學園區管理局局長鄭秀榮以及行政法人國家災害防災防科技中心陳鴻宇主任 |
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以及行政法人國家太空中心主任吳宗信財團法人國家實驗研究院院長蔡弘瑩財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心主任徐嘉鴻接下來我們介紹在場的委員是我們林倩琦委員 |
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好接下來我們請國科會吳主委來進行報告報告時間8分鐘 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好感謝各位委員對國家科技政策的重視很榮幸出席大院教育及文化委員會就國科會業務進行報告 |
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全球面臨AI風潮、氣候變遷及地緣政治等多方衝擊臺灣可以化危機為轉機藉助半導體優勢進而引領科技浪潮國科會將以整體半導體國家及戰略角度透過AI等前瞻科技應用帶動百工百業創新轉型跨部會合力打造臺灣成為智慧科技島 |
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緊就未來施政重點說明如何首先破化大南方產業生態AI助力百頁升級 |
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國會統合各部會布局國家整體科技政策為均衡臺灣並使臺灣成為人工智慧之島搭配北部桃竹苗大細股方案提出智慧科技大南方產業生態系推動方案規劃擴散力鏈場域引人才展應用等四大策略先期將於沙倫科學城專區打造人工智慧產業專區建置國家級超級電腦 |
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提供優質可靠的高效能算力。鏈結南部半導體S廊帶發展智慧健康、智慧交通及智慧生活三大主軸作為我國AI產業發展的後盾。同時,人工智慧的發展重心將著重三個面向。一、強化研發AI系統的能力。二、培植製造AI系統的產業及推廣AI |
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此外也會掌握資料中心發展更貼近國人的多元服務等維護全民數位安全建立符合臺灣價值觀及本土文化的主權AIAI基本法草案已於今年7月預告 |
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並持續整合各界意見．完成法制程序．預計在10月底前提報行政院．有了基本法的原則性規範．服役各部會陸續訂定的作用法．將可以形成一個完整法規體系．兼顧我國人工智慧產業的創新發展．及保障人民權益 |
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此外,第12次全國科學技術會議將於今年底召開,議題涵蓋前瞻科技﹑創新經濟﹑均衡社會及近鄰永續,透過跨部會共同參與,廣納參觀學員各界意見,共同撥發未來4年的國家科技發展藍圖。第二,深耕基礎研究 |
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多元友善的科研環境普及全民並跨足國際的科研交流互惠 |
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國科會透過穩定且適度成長的預算支持基礎研究鼓勵學員各界持續深耕前瞻科研為激勵優秀人才優化科研生態也會滾動精進強補助機制逐步養成多元的高階人才並引導學員界融入人文精神 |
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操向跨領域合作將研究成果落實於產業應用並回應社會需求以科技造福全民同時大力推廣各項科普活動並發揮創意推誠初心提升民眾對科學的意識及應用 |
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包括廣受好評的科普環島列車在10月21到26日會進行今年擴大增設至32個站點Kids Science活動今年結合各部會在全台124個場域共同辦理規模歷年最大並首度於科技大樓舉辦Kids Science強調科技的溫暖與親民提升兒童對科學的興趣 |
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此外,積極進行國際科技佈局,強化跨國科技合作今年8月行政院組成半達體投資考察團訪問捷克國科會與科研創新部就雙邊未來的科研合作及人才培育等議題進行廣泛討論交流 |
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另也前往德國與教育研究部建立雙邊科研合作機制到美國華盛頓與美國國家標準技術研究院國家科學基金會 |
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討論AI等關鍵科技議題參與華裔科技社團年會分享台灣科技願景到史丹佛大學與著名學者及矽谷科技圈進行廣泛交流鞏固台美科技夥伴關係本會將持續與價值理念相同的國家共享科研發展經驗擴大交流以培育未來高階系統性人才 |
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打造新創雨林生態系共創健康台灣國科會致力於科研成果轉譯並重視人文思維及包容精神鼓勵業界推出人民有感的產品與服務 |
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期望改善或解決社會議題進而造福人民為強化學員成果鏈結產業應用全面鼓勵創新創業打造新創雨林生態系首先透過跨部會合作推動智慧雨林產業創生提供產業系統及設計服務平台算力場域和業師等資源聚焦於需求分析及自主AI系統 |
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設計能力、協助中小企業導入AI科技以開發符合社會需求的產品與服務為落實總統健康台灣的願景國科會一方面提倡發展新技術、新應用及新商業模式的運動科技支持全民運動、強健體魄以增進國民健康 |
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另一方面推動善用AI雲端等技術將問診服務由醫療院所延伸至家家戶戶搭配在宅醫療居家醫療等應用普及化減輕醫護人員的現場負擔共創醫病雙贏此外8月底落幕的生技產業策略委員會議聚焦智慧生醫健康等領域 |
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也會全力發展自主關鍵系統與健康數據服務提升台灣健康產業的國際競爭力最後兼顧區域及生態發展落實均衡台灣科學園區在全台的核准進駐廠商已達1100餘家營業額約4兆元創造超過32萬個就業機會 |
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長年的穩健產值及精進技術已成為全球高科技聚落發展的典範透過園區帶動全台各區域產業發展依據各地特色規劃各園區重點產業並全力推動各新設及擴建計畫如期如此完成在生態均衡方面優化園區休憩式設施及生態環境大力推動減碳措施導入綠色科技 |
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提倡循環經濟公司協力邁向淨零轉型提供科技產業精緻多元節能減碳的優質環境以上報告懇請委員鼎力支持謝謝 |
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謝謝吳主委的口頭報告那我們現在開始進行詢答每位出席委員質詢6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席委員質詢時間為4分鐘發言登記截止時間為上午10點30分委員如有臨時提案也請於上午10點30分前提出並於本會委員業員之質詢結束之後 |
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隨即進行處理處理提案時若提案委員及聯署委員均不在場原例不予處理那麼現在我們首先請發言登記第一位林倩琦委員質詢 |
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主席還有各位立院同仁還有我們這個國科會相關單位的這個夥伴們大家早安大家好那現在開始我的質詢時間那我就開始了好那我就先請主委好有請吳主委 |
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主委好我們知道很高興今天聽到國科會在近期的這樣一個業務報告那我這邊延續幾個長期有被提醒跟我關心的一些議題那第一個部分我先提醒一下主委 |
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國科會設立了一個初衷跟目的就是不計產出的現實利益而專注於學術研究那我相信您對這點應該我們都很有共識您也希望在比較少的一些干擾下能夠讓學術研究獨立那這樣對我們整體的科學發展和這個學術的一個量能應該是比較正面的所以我這邊 |
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首先提一個長期一直有被反映的問題但是我不知道會內這邊怎麼樣看待這個問題所以今天我就討論一下在國科會對於學術研究的投入資源在學校的部分有一些分配不太均衡的現象 |
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所以公私立學校的這個資源分配已經對不起請回到前一張一個重點就是分配不均那第二個是影響了學術研究的一個平衡發展所以請主委在我今天也幫會內做了一下功課我們就去年的一些數據來探討好不好好謝謝接下來這只是去年的數據這個國科會當年在核定 |
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公立大學7256件私立大學2701件公立大學的受補助案件是私立大學的2.69倍 |
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但是應該你們的這個公立大學跟私立大學的數據那公立大學應該你們不住差不多40幾所那私立大學有將近80所所以這個比例的這個我們在加權這樣子看似乎有很大的失衡所以這個區塊是不是請主委這邊來注意一下這個問題那如何解決它其實已經長久在學界裡面有被討論 |
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在政策專案上公立大學有179件私立大學只有11件這也難怪連帶到的是教育部竟然現在讓私立大學再退場 |
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接下來﹖ |
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但是比較特殊的是在大學生的研究公立大學跟私立大學的這個失衡可能還沒有那麼高你看2000多件比1000多件所以這個會內是怎麼樣思考這樣一個補助的決策或者是你們在執行上到底是碰到了什麼問題這個可能待會要請主委很快的給我回應那另外吳大友講也是同樣的問題也就是公私立大學的失衡比例 |
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導致大家認為在研究補助上的不公所以主委這件事情是不是先做個簡單的回應我非常佩服林委員的這個觀點我們的確我們在整體台灣的這個教育上面我們的資源投入是公立大學比私立大學還要多 |
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那這個長期造成這個原因是因為我們對世紀大學從早期還有很多科技大學從這個職校到專科到技術學院到科技大學這個連串的這樣的這個過程改變了這個過程那原來是屬於教育型的這個大學的這個責任那這些教師長遠來講他們是投入在培育直接進入職場的這個 |
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委員會主席 |
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主任在提升那主任提升不好意思這邊我可能就要打斷喔那個主委這邊會內補助基礎研究我其實後面還有一個數據但是我現在也沒時間先秀給你我們相較於而且是會內自己的資料我們相較於新加坡美國這一些國家其實相對是少的 |
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這就跟您的夢有關了我們的確逐步在提升希望能夠培養更多將來可以對社會產生重大貢獻的研究所以剛才一個議題第一個是公私立大學的失衡而且會內應該與時俱進你們說的研究型、教學型還有個型這20年來整個大學的教育產生了很大的變化我同意林委員所以為了補足那一點 |
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我們現在除了在一些研究型的專案之外我們現在也對於能夠推動社會貢獻的一些專案也增加了不要忘記這個不計利益的一個研究的投入我知道就是在屬於剛剛提到的比較屬於私立大學科技特別是科技領域的我們希望他們貼近社會的這種研究我們會增加明年會增加謝謝林委員的這個提醒好謝謝所以我期待會裡面能夠來好好探討跟 |
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解決公私立大學長期研究不公平的這樣一個現象接下來我還是談一下還是很感謝主委在0520就職之後我們來的拜會讓我反映了原住民研究相關的這個問題所以個別型的問題就在當場主委就答應了非常感謝您接受本席的建議所以在個別型的這個研究上今年 |
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已經確定有了那當然很多利益良好的政策跟方向常常在執行上可能就會產生了一些誤差跟偏誤那主委因為各個階層下去可能在執行上其實本來您很阿沙利而且您覺得這個部分是重要的但是執行上後來又給原住民的某一些限制所以上一回 |
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主委,我想您可以去了解一下這個內容狀況 |
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我相信您當場：當時我的建議您就promise應該是我們彼此在學界認為這件事情很簡單而且應該是可以做的這個不必要限制我們會把它拿掉原住民有一個自由發展的空間 |
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當然也聯繫到因為現在原住民的研究都在人文社會類那其實在中研院其實有研究過原住民的生命長度基本上是比一般平均在台灣社會是來的低的所以有沒有可能在原住民的研究裡面你們可以在各個不同領域去做個思考 |
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其他領域當然像生命科學、自然科學等等。像什麼呢?來我給你看一個大佬的研究。這個大佬裡面其實有一個區塊應該是海馬回。海馬回就有一個族群的記憶。某種程度或許在其他的領域可以鼓勵這樣子的一個研究。 |
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委員會主席 |
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主席 |
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謝謝主席我們有請吳主委請吳主委 謝謝 |
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主委早,國科會在4月14日的時候我們宣布了這個精創計畫那這個第一座的IC海外IC的這個設計訓練的基地在布拉格那主委很清楚知道因為本席是這個中華民國跟捷克國會領域會的會長那我也到這個捷克非常多次所以呢我知道了我們9月份原本這個訓練基地要正式開始營運 |
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3113 |
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所以在7月份的時候我也跟江啟臣副院長以及很多位我們委員一起呢我們到了布拉格去看這個實地考察到底這個海外訓練基地的狀況那我想後來我們看到其實捷克除了現在我們國科會有這個海外基地之外外交部也有一個台階韌性計畫這個您一定知道那這也有一樣兵預算也是在捷克那設立的也是先進晶片設計研究中心 |
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3140.669 |
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據我了解這個計劃也是要培育晶片相關的人才我想我們一直在質疑這個跌床架物的問題您能不能簡單的來敘述一下兩者的差別非常感謝萬委員支持這個計劃我們外交部所啟動的這個台捷韌性計劃在捷克的Bernal那邊的這個我們叫ACDRC就是剛剛提到的IC設計研究中心您只要告訴我兩者的差別 |
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這個IC設計研究中心是以學研合作為主就是學術研究的合作為主那我們的經費資源他們跟我們的教授一起做研究那在布拉格那個中心本來是以人才培育為主也就是說協助他們去教育學生能夠做IC設計是以教學為主的 |
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謝謝主委但是我了解到大概在8月底的時候您跟國安會的吳釗燮秘書長一行人也有過去布拉格我相信不管是我們的海外訓練基地或者是我們的相關計畫你們都有去看現在的問題是本來本席在7月份去看的原因是因為9月份我們要開始正式營運所以我們必須去了解一下可是現在看起來9月份的營運是沒有 |
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您又說是10月本身也很擔心10月真的有辦法繼續營運嗎因為據我們了解主委也有提到說現在因為整個捷克有一個新的政局的改變這個新的政局的改變對於我們現在在這邊不管外交部也好國會也好這兩個計畫也有影響 |
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所以我們看到捷克在9月23日也舉行了地方的選舉以及三分之一的參議員的改選這一次是在野黨的不滿公民行動黨在捷克13州贏得了10個席次所以看起來他們的政局真的是有變化所以主委您有說我們現在要再來重新評估並且調整政策要溝通 |
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不曉得你是要評估什麼?調整什麼?因為剛剛委員有提到就是捷克的他也是自由民主國家他有選舉那他我們8月底去的時候他正值要面對選舉的這個時刻所以他們的政府高層他因為是一個執政聯盟不同政黨政府的高層有在討論說 |
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主委,我剛剛聽起來就是說 |
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講來講去就是要整合那怎麼整合我們還不知道但是在布拉格那個沒有中斷我們還是會進行我沒有問你說有沒有中斷啦因為現在預算在邊人也在那裡硬體也在那裡你說你現在中斷也說不過去啦所以現在重點是整合的問題嘛但您剛剛的回答我聽起來就是要整合但還不知道怎麼整合那我想國科會 |
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這個金創計畫原來是10年3000億的一個預算那當然就是您剛剛所說的我們希望在海外去培育或是吸引一些國際人才那當然最後的目標也是希望能夠來台為我們來服務嘛那所以這個培育跟吸引國際人才是相當重要的一環可是現在因為整個捷克的內部的政治的問題有一些延宕了 |
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我想本席不免擔心啦我們投入了這麼大量的預算做了這麼多先前的準備工作這麼多人力跟心血進去喔那我們有沒有要嚴謹啦我們不要因為去誤判了情勢或者去踩雷了那導致後面在整合上面出現大問題那我們搞不好血本無歸我覺得這個是一個非常這個重要的問題在所以主任您一直在講說除了溝通之外我目前還沒有看到 |
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實際有什麼樣可以因應的準備跟規劃那另外第二個問題就是說現在捷克內部目前的以他們現在政治狀態本席了解就是針對跟台灣合作的對象到底外交部國科會到底用哪一個模式到底是根據跟哪一個大學那甚至於我們這些單位要不要合併要不要整合目前都不知道而且 |
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會不會由外交部的先進晶片研究中心來取代? |
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報告委員您講得非常正確我的想法跟您一樣也就是說如果我們以這個行政角度去看這樣的合作因為有選舉所以常常會有不同的意見會存在但是我會把它拉回來是在學術研究的合作學者之間就不會有這樣的問題產生所以接下來的這個重點會比較注重在於我會增加資源做學術研究的合作 |
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聽您這樣講,您的意思是說我們這一個海外訓練基地是會有變化的喔?您的意思是這樣?我們希望把人力的訓練拉到台灣來就拉回來了,不在那裡培育不在那裡,但是同樣的這個合作的基地還是在那個捷克理工大學你捷克理工大學還在那裡,然後我們的基地也還在那裡那我們所有培育計畫拿回來台灣做 |
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人才培育那我為什麼要浪費這麼多錢在那個地方呀不是那個地方我會轉為做學術研究的合作學術研究的合作培養的人才我這樣聽你講看起來應該是我們本來宣布9月要正式營運您說有可能是這個10月的IC設計海外訓練基地現在是申辯了對嗎沒有申辯就是說那個地方接牌要等到他們參議院選舉完就是 |
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主委,我想我要提醒您因為我們都很關心他們現在的政局以及跟我們的合作尤其是這個海外訓練基地其實我們已經都準備好了 |
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謝謝委員我就是因為這個原因所以我現在很審慎因為學術合作是不會因為政治而中斷的 |
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所以我就會注重在這一點然後怎麼跟外交部這個地方做整合我希望我們一邊觀察他的政治局勢的時候我們自己要有計畫好那看起來我們第一個海外基地就有面臨到一些變化那現在我們除了布拉格之外過去我也聽您說可能還要再設立其他的地方那您今天在報告當中也有提到說我們也有去德國去美國進行科技AI的一些交流研究 |
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我們有沒有可能在設置第二座海外科技基地然後可能會在什麼地方目前沒有打算我們的重點就是在這幾個國家我們都會加強學術研究的合作這個是台積電需要的也是我們國家發展非常重要的一個基礎花了錢花了預算花了心意我想後續主委一定要密切的掌握選定的評估好不好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝萬委員主委謝謝 |
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接下來我們有請洪孟楷委員質詢我們有請吳主委 |
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韓偉文議員 |
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台灣的夏天恐怕會高達7個月而且會有兩極化什麼意思呢就像是我們上個禮拜遇到的颱風一樣就是說強台的頻率這是你們的結論強台的頻率會變高淹水的事件會增加尤其過去50年來才發生的極端降雨事件未來可能每10年就會發生一次是不是 |
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是,如果我們不努力去減碳的話是,你已經看到而且你講到減碳嘛我先強調這個重點這跟本席的北海岸這兩天我們看到明明颱風已經過去了北海岸強降雨那反而里長 |
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當地的齊老里長他說住在那邊有人講說40年來沒有看過這樣的一個強降雨有人講說50年60年沒看過那得到的結論就是確實這一次的強降雨是非常極端的一個氣候那也跟你的一個結論不謀而合而且你結論裡面甚至講到是說未來如果暖化的話海平面上升造成海岸的 |
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議員面積增加雲林台南基隆新北會是最嚴重的幾個縣市好我們已經知道這個結論了但是我們要怎麼樣的預防我想這才是重點嘛對不對我們要瞭解這個狀況我們要怎麼樣去預防那其中有人就講是說在這一次的一個氣象署的一個氣象報告裡面其實給我們北海岸地區是沒有很精準的 |
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主委 我想請教 |
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面對這樣的一個狀況我們能夠怎麼樣來去做更好的因應或說更準確的告訴我們鄉親告訴我們台灣的民眾有可能有這樣的降雨要及早撤離要撤離及早因應要因應主委謝謝宏偉委員中央氣象署的這個預報跟我們現在災防中心的這個研究的投入其實也有相關那也包含我們太空中心在現在氣象衛星開始投入因應後甚至我們講說AI |
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超級電腦怎麼樣協助我們的算力更準確的推估降雨量封面颱風的路徑等等是吧是我們我們正在積極做這件事情那這一次的這個新北在東北角這邊強降雨的狀況其實我們那個時候有計算出來雖然還是有一點點誤差但是那個強降雨有計算出來我們國會會有計算出來但沒有告訴我們新北鄉親 |
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我請我們在訪中心主任來回答一下我想中央應變中心開設的時候在前一天也就是10月3日大致上中央應變中心有發布所有的預警資料 |
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在第13報及第14報所有的報告都有送到各個一級開設的地方政府當然也包括新北市當初10月3日早上9點半及10月3日下午3點所提出來的淹水都已經涵蓋了這些區域 |
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但我現在講的是10月4日的強降雨啊是啊 所以說10月3日是預報預警第二天10月4日的事情啊來 主委 主委 很明顯的 氣象署也好或說災害面中心有講但是你沒有講到那麼精確就是說它的強降雨的狀況 |
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他是一整個幾個小時內把一整天你們講的這個降雨量給降下來所以他會發聲說造成是十一十二點以前他還是風平浪靜尤其那一天是大家看縣市長也覺得是說那一天已經過了颱風過了大家也都覺得颱風消失了所以說並沒有停班停課但突然間下午時間短時間降下一整天的雨量而造成衝擊性的災情 |
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報告委員其實災害應變中心在當天並沒有撤除還是延續所以我們我們災防中心的那個計算一直都在進行當中是我現在講的是說你的計算持續進行但是就是沒有那麼精確以及沒有強降雨的部分告知主委我認為說有告知啦但大家可能會比較忽視掉主委因為那是很特殊的狀況我說實在話我覺得是說這邊兩個部分啦 |
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一個是你告知的狀況不夠精準或說沒有辦法那麼準確的告知到是說到底是什麼時間點有那麼大的一個降雨我們大家共同的面臨第二個部分是對於我們的這個計算的一個狀況能夠怎麼樣能夠更精確的去掌握因為在你剛剛的一個簡報裡面本席特別聽了11分鐘裡面你講了18次的AI |
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代表是說AI大家都很重視我們也很關心啊但重點是說AI怎麼樣實際的運用在我們每一個人的生活裡面並且真的看到問題解決問題非常同意我們會加強在AI的投入希望把未來這個預測預測的解析度把它提升主委在這個部分裡面氣象署這邊是不是能夠再做一個更緊密的一個會議討論來了解說未來可以怎麼樣協助到地方政府 |
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讓地方政府能夠有更充裕的時間或說民眾有更充裕的時間來去了解相關的資訊是謝謝委員建議我們會朝這個方向進行 |
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對那另外本席再請教您也是總統府國家氣候變遷對應委員會的其中委員議員嘛對不對那最近環境部也好或是說在這個聚焦的會議裡面有已經聚焦到說2032年台灣減碳的新目標要提升到40%這個您知道 |
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知道 知道嘛 對啊上一次我們在一樣在這個委員會我請教你說2028年的時候台灣有多少的發電是用火力發電你笑笑不敢沒有不願意正面回應啊八成發電嘛八成發電量都是火力發電嘛但現在我們喊出一個新目標叫做2032年要減碳40%我可以先請教您知不知道之前國發會有訂出台灣的目標2025年減碳要減到多少 |
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你清楚嗎?2025年要減碳10%那您知道之前的目標2030年要減碳百分之多少嗎?也不清楚那您剛還講說我開宗明義先請教您說氣候變遷科技現象你講到最重點是減碳 |
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你講到最重點是減碳嘛你說這個極端氣候的成因或背後的原因是因為碳排高嘛那減碳的部分那我們台灣現在2025年減碳10%環境部長已經公開承認了明年絕對達不到10%會跳票那2030年說要減碳25%正負1你覺得有可能達到嗎 |
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我只能說我們要努力做啦那如果沒有達到勒我當然相信大家都很努力做啊你今年光說要跨部會淨零科技多少預算今年有120億啦120億130億嘛對啊你每年跨部會預算120、30億的預算那你跟我們搶勢說定一個目標2025年已經跳票了2030年還有5年的時間25% |
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不知道答不答得到現在我要再畫一個新願景叫2032年百分之40我都不禁懷疑啊2032為什麼突然2025、2030五年每五年檢討一次我覺得很合理啊突然講一個2032是怎麼樣總統大選幫下一任的就是幫2028年要選連任的時候再鋪牌那2032年百分之40答得到嗎 |
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如果現在2025年百分之10達不到2030年百分之25不知道那2032年的百分之40我們這不是菜市場喊價買菜在那邊喊你加一點我減一點而是實際的作為阿那2028年火力發電佔八成以上我們就講阿跟國際趨勢背道而馳 |
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那你認為火力發電都全開了我們沒有減少能源政策不改變的情況下我們還有什麼樣的錦囊妙計可以把現在生活不變的情況錦囊妙計我們又持續增加又有AI高科技半導體持續增加有發電量持續的上升我們有什麼錦囊妙計可以達到你所謂的25%或40% |
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國會這邊我們投入這個近年節能的這個技術的研發我們會持續也會協助政府來推動這個智慧電網讓這個能源的使用更有效率所以主委你沒有辦法回答說到底有什麼錦囊妙計因為你講這些都是現在進行是正在做但還是一樣我們看到碳排越來越高我現在在想是說我都不知道說10月底有第二次的委員會 |
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主委你也算是個科學人嘛所以我從科學角度好你從科學角度那你敢不敢講真話在第二次10月底賴清德總統要開的所謂的總統府國家氣候變稱對策委員會發言一下跟總統講說如果你現在能源政策不改變如果你現在跟國際趨勢背道而馳如果說我們還是一樣照現在的方式的話抱歉25%40%都是假的答不到 |
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我們會承諾投入各種可能的綠能的技術的研發。看來您還是不敢面對。這不是我。好了,來,早位已經站起來了。最後30秒了。主委,總統也有講到一個新北123。賴金德總統之前說要推動淡海科學城本系列選區。 |
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卓榮泰院長在6月29日來到淡水視察淡江大橋工程的時候也提到說要有淡海科學城並且國土署講說現在要把科學園區跟科技園區共同放在淡海新市鎮二期一區的開發還講說已經找了經濟部跟國科會邀地方共同規劃有沒有這件事 |
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我們科學園區的規劃的部分的確有參與先期的參與經濟部跟國科會有沒有邀地方共同討論有沒有在左手進行有沒有想要達成賴清德總統跟卓文派院長的政見主政是內政部主政內政部因為國土署開發嘛但是現在主要沒有錯內政部邀你們嘛但是你們是一個很大的推力嘛 |
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我們在那邊還沒有推理因為那個地方如果說那個地方是傳統產業為主我們必須要糾正您這句話因為賴金德總統和卓榮泰院長宣示的都是說淡海科學層並且希望能夠引進相關來講半導體或是比較高科技的部份 |
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我會持續追因為這不僅是總統的承諾也是我們地方鄉親的期盼更是我之前2020年就提出來的政見所以也請我們國科會一定要重視 |
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好,我們有請柯智恩委員質詢好,有請吳主委 |
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主委你好主委你好主委你是來自學界你也帶過公務系統所以你看非常的清楚知道我們的科學應該跟我們的政治都是應該做一個區隔應該維持一個非常大的一個學術中立吧是國科會應該算是我們最後的一塊淨土了好我們來看一個研究計畫這邊有個研究計畫是叫做看一下114年叫智慧創新研究計畫你是10.45億 |
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這下面有一個先進科技研究跟民主社會你大概編了5.96億這下面還有一個就是第3個本期今天要特別focus科技民主跟社會的研究中心計畫大概是4800萬沒錯吧主委你應該知道這個計畫 |
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好我先告訴各位你112年的時候你編了4800113年編了4800來我們來看下面一個這是我們政大委託政大來質詢但是呢他又有一個諮詢委員會的決策各位你政大來執行有一個諮詢委員會來決策我們先看下面一個諮詢委員是哪些人主委 |
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如果這告訴我這是賴清德的國政白皮書的成員可以民進黨的智庫可以這個每年要花我4800萬元的民脂民膏的諮詢團隊公約數是什麼看一下公約數是什麼7個諮詢委員當中有5個 |
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都是來自綠營的相關的一個單位你包括你的研究的這些海外研究員導國千金的發起人吳宗燮的兒子陳維廷這邊政策研究員這是你每年花我4800元裡面的諮詢委員的團隊你知道這件事嗎所以在別人在飲和養綠的時候我們的國科會在乙科養綠嗎你要不要解釋一下 |
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謝謝委員我實在解釋不出來我請同仁來解釋一下你為什麼解釋不出來主委我只是告訴你從剛剛開始這個是推動的計劃我剛問了一下像我們一般學者要來執行國科會計劃我們都要透過一般的非常公開審核的標準這個叫做推動計劃主委說的算你要匡多少錢你要給怎麼樣推動計劃你說的算 |
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我認為要培養海外的人力沒有問題但是你的諮詢委員的整個背景滿滿的台灣價值然後我們再看他後面的部分裡面來怎麼做你所給的這個部分裡面你的人事費佔了2500多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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﹚廣告 |
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但是你的領選標準在什麼?你當然可以回應我是來自於計劃主持人來說的算我真的要問一下計劃主持人是用什麼樣來評選這些而且國科會以前有千里馬計算有你們什麼LIFT都有很多補充海外學子的部分 |
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這些又涵蓋在這樣一個所謂科技民生的計畫然後呢我們的前主委也是下任之後馬上當上顧問然後這又是他任內隱若所合推的所謂的推動計畫主委說的算我先請問一下吳主委你現在有推動計畫嗎你框了多少錢 |
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我自己沒有做這種你都不知道這個巧門是不是主委框了一下就可以這麼多錢下來我接任以後我的原則是國家科學所有的重大的計畫一定要按照 |
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每年我們再來看一下嘛如果這些人雖然有背景但是很會做我也沒意見但是呢一年4800萬當中目前為止你上他的dest網站你的dest網站政策報告裡面的三篇其他都是專家評論我花了4800萬錢我要來這些東西然後我請你們給我這些訊息你們告訴我目前還在整理當中 |
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一百一十二年四千多一百一十三年四千多我到現在一百一十四年我還要四千八百萬你給我這些這些中研院做不出來嗎臺大臺金教做不出來嗎 |
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主委我今天為什麼會這麼生氣同樣來自學界我們有多少專任教師兩三千個人又要做研究又要做計畫還要SSC還要TTSC還要SCI還要IE什麼都要做結果呢完全擠不上你們這邊隨便一口一手一框然後有這麼多背景的 |
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然後呢更有趣的是給我們國立政大我是政大畢業的好沒有問題四千多百八百多萬當中你給國立政治大學裡面還有框出一部分給我們這位大同大學大同大學的主要負責人就是我們吳政中主委的學生沒有問題學業能力都很好沒有問題但是他框出了2800萬當中呢 |
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他是要做什麼?他要做一些相關的案件案件當中他要轉手給你們的國研院的科證中心來做處理這是如何?你把這個4800多萬的計畫當中你框出2000多大同大學大同大學再回首再把他一些相關的案件裡面有關徵件辦法跟政案的活動辦法又框回去給你們的科證中心 |
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謝謝科學委員我會來仔細瞭解一下這個計畫你光是這個部分你就覺得是非常的荒謬好不好框出去又框回來你是在衝啥 |
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我會了解一下謝謝委員我一定會改善這個做法以後不要再發你114年還要再繼續編4800萬嗎我在強調本席的一個原則資助海外學子沒有問題但是國科會已經有這麼多的計畫在給海外學子你把它夾帶在你這個4800萬當中然後他所做的每一件事情我要的資料報告告訴我還在整理所呈現出來就是我剛說的我答應科委員 |
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這些不合理的事情我一定要改善 |
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當然是要改善啊否則我還是一句話我相信這都不是你在任內的但是我剛給你條列出來的一定是非常多人看不下去的太多年輕的學者當他們積極再去做研究都沾不上你們關愛眼神的時候你卻是大把大把藏舵這些人可以做這些事但是呢你用那麼多那麼多都是有同樣背景的我覺得國科會撐不起這樣子大家對你們的批判啊 |
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謝謝科學委員 |
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報告科學委員這個架構我已經把它改掉了我們現在符合行政院通過的組織法 |
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4825 |
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4853.876 |
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你就是不要提倡教育我相信你好問題是我還是要批判一下你這個雖然是把它改掉了你這個AI行動2.0你的預算你這樣看起來執行度不好意思你國科會現在是你知道你的執行進度只有27.73你跟其他部分比起來你們真的還是落後的主委你要不要督促一下不要告訴我這是第二期而已你們會在最後年終的時候趕上國科會應該帶頭做起你們跟其他部會比起來你們27是最低的這是你們的計劃 |
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我們會改善你今天都告訴我你們會改善針對我剛剛所講的民脂民膏一年4800多萬他應該是完全需要接受我們國會的監督同樣的非常多裡面的你們國會有太多太多在做很多不同的補助 |
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我會了解以後我會改善那一定會向科委員報告 |
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謝謝委員 |
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謝謝科智恩委員我想主委這個是很誇張的事情而且我第一次聽到你這麼坦蕩蕩的回答我也不知道但是我覺得這非常非常的誇張那我希望會後特別針對剛才科智恩委員所提的這個案子你要盡速的把報告出來讓我們委員會每一個委員都能夠知道接下來我們有請陳培宇委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請主委 |
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陳委員好好主委早安下一頁謝謝關於性平零容忍的部分我們看到國科會今天的業務報告裡面呢你們有修正一個要點喔非常感謝國科會做這個事情你們在111 112年的11月6號看到國科會相關的研究計畫要點裡面第26條你們新增了違反性平就會終止補助我覺得這個很好但是我要跟主委說你們其實還可以做得更多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
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行政院昨天有一個發文 行政院針對自己的行政院文化獎他們做出了修正 他們甚至說可以撤銷廢紙追回獎項的條件 那我們來看文化部文化部在去年的非常多性平事件之後 他們做了全面性的法規盤點 他們甚至要求可以終止追回撤銷補助獎項的部分 那我們來看一下 |
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5006.716 |
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5016.656 |
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主委在國科會底下有非常多的獎項我們條列一下總統科學獎行政院傑出科技貢獻獎傑出研究獎吳大友先生紀念獎未來科技獎 |
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5046.619 |
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我不是吳忠生有,主委我們來看一下去年有一個記者會談了性平案件而其中那個指控案件的當事人我們所指控的那位教授他就是得到國科會未來科技獎那這個事件還在調查當中但是我想要問國科會這邊可不可以積極的把相關的機制建立起來也就是說不要只有所謂的終止補助甚至可以追回獎項我覺得這個是非常重要的事情主委可不可以簡單回覆一下 |
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5059.313 |
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好,非常感謝陳委員提醒我們有關這些獎項如果違反《性平法》的事實已經確定的話是不是要追回這個獎項我們會審慎來研議 |
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5062.236 |
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5083.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
我希望一個月內收到回覆報告好謝謝主委好來下一個我們來看一下園區的部分其實呢我們看到三個科學園區都有所謂在談永續這件事情非常感謝企業的社會責任不管是SDG ESG都有相關的手段跟目標可是我們來看一下目前園區所整理的工作事項有這麼多這麼多我就不一一念了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5085.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
昨年政交所已經修正上市上櫃公司永續發展實務守則 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5105.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5133.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
跟企業說經由捐贈贊助投資採購策略合作的支持模式可以要求企業把相關資源益助在文化藝術活動甚至是文化創意產業納入維護社會公益的範疇另外在112年度第10屆公司治理評鑑指標裡面也把公司如果可以投入資源支持台灣國內的文化發展把相關的支持方法跟成果揭露還可以在公司治理評鑑得分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
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這是從商業的角度來看我們是不是可以直接跟國科會許願給國科會一些時間跟園區或是相關的廠商討論可不可以把相關文化的投資作為談永續跟ESG很重要的一環我非常同意陳委員的觀點 |
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我想我們在各個園區管理局也許我們可以設立這樣的評鑑的機制把這個項目也把它加進來其實我們科技的產業所有的廠商現在也努力真的是在朝這個方向走其實因為我時間有限我就沒有辦法分享可是例如說以臺灣這幾年只要談到任何跟文化產業都非常喜歡學韓國我就跟主委報告韓國在影視音甚至是書籍出版 |
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謝謝主委 謝謝 |
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感謝主委國科會非常積極的推動科普這件事情不管是Kids Science或是KidsScience的起跑活動甚至相關後續的活動我就不再贅述不過真的感謝國科會甚至我們來看一下如果一整個10月份來看中研院有Open House還有諾貝爾獎得獎公布還有國科會有創新技術博覽會如果我的想像是整個10月它都可以是台灣的小孩科技月那該有多好 |
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這次Kids Science我真的要我們剛剛做不好的我們指正可是做得好的我們要鼓勵包含了故宮、農業部、高速網路中心、使錢館大家做的圖卡跟相關資訊真的有站在理解小孩的立場我要再次感謝國科會可是我覺得很可惜這麼好的活動我們來看宣傳的部分 |
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國科會你們說你們的宣傳是有記者會、啟動典禮、海報跟公文還有社群媒體可是我們來看歷史悠久的open house他們為了宣傳相關的活動讓更多人參與他們做了非常非常多的事情可能也沒有花太多錢所以請主委不要誤會所以我想要拜託國科會我們既然做了這麼多好的活動我們在宣傳的部分可不可以更用力更大力讓更多人參與這個事情好謝謝陳委員提醒以後我們要注意就是宣傳 |
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關於淹水的部分剛剛宏孟凱委員已經講了 |
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那我來跟就等於我來跟侯孟凱委員分享也跟主委分享到底我們國科會還可以做些什麼國科會的災防中心呢我們來看一下先要感謝災防中心同仁在這一次颱風風災的努力發出了非常多的細胞廣播簡訊提醒大家那根據國科會給我們的資料裡面呢這一次颱風總共發出了728則簡訊其中最大量的是農業部的土石流警戒我覺得這非常重要 |
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可是以剛剛侯孟愷委員也說了北海岸來說當天氣象署已經發布了5則大雷雨的訊息可是回過來看大雷雨之於淹水可能不是台灣人民所習慣的想像甚至可能來不及理解所以我們在想這一次淹水災防中心的通知樣態並不含淹水 |
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那我跟主委報告我們自己做了解方請主委評估有沒有可行其實在水利署的網站上面我們來看一下左邊這一張他告訴我們哪裡有淹水這個是淹水警訊的部分甚至水利署他可以讓一般的人去註冊一個賬號然後登入你的手機登入你的地址如果你所住的地區有淹水的可能他會發簡訊通知你這個是水利署已經做好的事情那可是這一次災防中心跟國科會這個連結可不可以有機會把這個東西連結起來 |
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可以我們會做好太好了那我就不用多說如果國科會主委這邊覺得是可以做那甚至是跟地方政府積極的合作因為如果我要登錄簡訊手機號碼才能夠被告知可是明明左半邊整體的淹水警訊已經有了那這個會不會很難做主委 |
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不會,我們其實我們災防中心在一淹水地區那個評估可能會淹水都已經技術都發展出來了是是是,但是他跟災防中心整個細胞簡訊的連結是有可能做到的嗎?是有可能是好,所以也許一個月內我們就可以完成 |
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我們讓後面的跟委員報告一下其實我們在10月3日那一天所發布的所有警報我們都有透過LINE的官方帳號我們LINE的官方帳號有167萬的定位人數但是因為我們的災防中心目前細胞警訊沒有含到這個淹水的部分細胞的部分就有水利署因為它是主責單位所以水利署會發出去我們並不是主責單位 |
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可是他可不可以連結到你們那個災防中心共同發放的訊息裡面可以嘛對不對我當然知道水利署有在做所以我說我們自己有做的功課好不好那不要讓我們民眾一邊在防災的時候還要自己上網查說啊我自己是不是那邊水的地方 |
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謝謝主席 |
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5484.994 |
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謝謝佩玉委員接下來我們有請張雅琳委員質詢謝謝主席我們有請吳主委有請吳主委張委員好 |
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5515.299 |
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主委好,剛剛其實主委的報告裡面也是一直不停的提及AI啦那昨天剛好諾貝爾頒獎的時候這個也都頒給了兩位物理學家然後他們都是以人工智慧這件事情來得到這個獎項所以我想這個AI絕對是全世界的關鍵字所以今天所有的題目都會跟AI非常有關係喔 |
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5516.36 |
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首先我想請教主委看一下這兩段文字我問了AI聯合國2758號決議對台灣參與世界組織的解釋為何我問了兩個機器人那你可以幫我看一下你覺得哪一個是GPT哪一個是台德嗎 |
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看得出來嗎?你覺得哪一個比較是我們台德?台灣開發的台德?哪一個是CHECKGPT呢?我們再給15秒看一下好不好?報告委員我看不出來好像後面的幕僚是說右邊的是台德是嗎? |
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他們覺得是右邊右邊是台德答案正確那我想這邊有一個很大的問題就是說聯合國258號決議現在全世界很多國家都已經簽署了不涉及台灣參與世界組織可是我們台德的說明似乎跟世界是完全不一樣的 |
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5617.539 |
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那我就很想知道我們是怎麼樣為這個資料我們多久更新一次可不可以說明一下誰可以說明一下這種大型元模型來做來做這種回復問題 |
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的準確度其實現在都還沒有辦法保證但是我想左邊是比較符合現在世界在講的這個不管是IPAD決議或是荷蘭美國現在大家講的是比較符合的可能是就現有的文獻能夠搜尋到的但我想台德說所以我就很好奇因為這些文獻去年都已經開始在講我們台德今年才開始的為什麼會未出像這樣子的資料所以我想要知道我們為了資料到底怎麼為我們多久更新一次 |
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我想張委員提的這個問題非常重要就是說我們的訓練資料如果不能夠與時俱進能夠把新的資料一直不斷地餵進來就好像我們人在學習一直要學習新的知識一樣那可能很快就會 那我想我們這個是要檢討對吧 這個我們要檢討我們會改進 |
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好,因為這是我們自己台灣開發的,結果我們在這一題上面都回答得這麼不精確,這是一個很大的問題。但是我也同時問他另外一個問題,台灣的文化脈絡是傳承至中國嗎?因為我時間有限,我就直接講答案好了。左邊他是講台灣的脈絡部分傳承至中國,但並非單一來源,這個是CHECKGPT講的。 |
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在右手邊呢他講得非常的完整喔就是我們受了哪些的國家或者是哪些的文化所影響的他講得非常完整 |
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這是台德的所以我這個題目其實要講是台德有他優秀的地方也有他不足的地方是因為我們用我們自己的資料來訓練我們國內對這個資料比較完整所以這個就是變成是說我覺得我有他優秀的地方但是所以這個資料來源更新速度非常重要所以我也是希望說台德的負責人是不是之後來我辦公室來做個說明可不可以 |
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5721.256 |
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5745.437 |
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我看到我們有一個重建台灣藝術史的資料是今年的計劃我自己會覺得就像我自己不停在講台灣其實在言論自由上面絕對是相對於我們華文世界裡面是非常有競爭力的因為我們可以保存更多不同文化更正確不偏頗的事實跟研究所以這是絕對我們要發展的那我也認為就是說 |
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5747.478 |
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5748.9 |
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我們要如何發揮我們台德的一個影響層面我們的擴大計畫是什麼 |
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5764.09 |
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5786.3 |
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好,我們人文處其實已經有對台灣史,包含藝術史還有跟文化部的合作有計劃在進行那我會請他們來評估把台德盡早把它帶進來包含在訓練資料的取得以及使用台德來協助這方面的研究謝謝委員的提問 |
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我想知道它的應用層面啦,因為我們只有訓練,它沒有辦法應用,那就是一個問題嘛。所以我想要知道你們現在要把它做訓練,一定有相關的應用的規劃,是不是可以簡單說明一下呢?還是說,現在可以簡單說明一下嗎?好,那我請我們科技辦來回答。我想齁,這個在政府裡面的應用是我們第一個權利來推廣的。 |
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我們會盡量來協助我們的學者使用台德 |
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下一題就是說 |
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大家可以看一下喔 左邊是Chief GPT我問他同樣一個問題 台灣是主權獨立的國家嗎 你看他回答的速度 非常的快速 好 那我想台德我就不播放了啦 因為等他寫完兩遍之後 台德一遍都還沒有寫完 這個速度上面落差非常大 |
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因為我們現在算力還沒有提升所以我有看到我們的算力其實是目前我們是有一個目標我們要在2028年的時候排到前10名全球前10名所以我們是有精創計畫跟智慧科系大南方產業系其實都要增加到480的petaflops |
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我想問一下,就是說我們有掌握其他國家的一個未來的對於算力的建制規劃嗎?不然我們怎麼可以喊出前十? |
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依照我們的估計啦就是各國現在的進展我們當然也會評估但是依照我們的估計我們未來如果順利啦我們預算能夠通過我們逐步來建置我們的算力我想因為其實全世界不管是在很多國家私人的系統不然是微軟啦google啦Amazon啊Meta回答等等的其實都有一起來 |
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5937.287 |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
委員會主任委員會 |
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我希望能夠引進產業界的實力所以我們有好幾個廠商都有能力來建置所以我們現在已經在洽談中了對不對我們預計什麼時候會組成國家隊呢是明年嗎我們明年只要預算能夠順利的話因為政府的投入是很重要的一個因素能夠吸引廠商也投入這是我們要先有這個做法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
陳秀寶委員質詢 |
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謝主席請國科會吳主委有請吳主委陳委員好 |
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6045.522 |
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早安各位長期都有關心關於科普教育的推動那從上一屆第10屆開始就一直敦促國科會這邊要擴大辦理關於科普列車那也很感謝我們國科會這邊存善如流也一直持續的在辦理但是我發現說科普列車辦理這麼多年實際上我們供學生體驗的時間他只有在上車的這段時間到下一個車站其實這個因為一站一站這樣子走 |
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學生上來體驗完之後學生下車到下一批的學生上來所以他其實他體驗的時間很短暫只有大概30到40分鐘那這樣子的一個短暫的時間其實對科普教育的持續深化其實效果應該算是蠻有限的這邊想請教主委在學生他們體驗完科普列車之後我們國科會這邊有沒有預計如何繼續的持續來深化這些科普教育 |
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我們其實有給參與這個科普教育的學者計劃那個計劃除了科普列車引起這些年輕中小學的學生的興趣之外那我們也希望說將來他們跟這個大學教授所帶領的這個科普的團隊能夠也連結起來在地方上因為所有的教授也遍佈在全國地方上連結以後他們就可以持續的在那個各大學在地方的場域 |
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就不斷的可以有接觸那那個教育部其實也在持續在深耕科學教育的部分那主委的意思是說科普列車是一個起點那你們會讓後面的部分讓教師教授來接手嗎那其實這邊我要向國科會這邊來建議是不是我們也可以參考一下故宮的這個創客魔幻列車的這個方式他是結合跨領域的學科來連結故宮的文物而且是深入校園來推廣 |
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國科會希望跟教育部合作繼續使用科普教案教材教具來供學校使用 |
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就是在我們學生體驗完這個科普列車的這些活動體驗之後你們剩下的這些教材教具可以持續的提供給學校來使用而不是說我們到明年度換一個新的主題這些教材教具都沒有用了這樣子其實也是非常浪費 |
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好謝謝陳委員這個建議很好我們來研議一下因為很多教材都是教授發展出來的看看怎麼樣由他們來推廣推廣這些教材我們也可以來協助這個部分也希望說主委你竟然已經承諾說你們會來思考說如何讓這些教材這些教具可以善加的利用還可以能夠普及到這些小朋友 |
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接下來我要請教 |
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我們國會會從2019年開始辦理第三期的國家太空科技發展長程計劃這個計劃本來是要到2028年就是從2019到2028年但目前是有意將計劃延長到2031年並且計劃裡面會新增V5G計劃還有那個同步軌道衛星計劃以及太空發展相關的計劃都會納入 |
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預計要增加400億元但是國科會這邊有說要修正這個整個計畫納入之後要修正這個將近一年都沒有進展我想請問主委說目前你們這個整個計畫你們的修正的研議程度是進度到如何那你們什麼時候才會把計畫送到行政院來隔定 |
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包括陳委員其實我們修正的方向已經大略確定了那我們在下個禮拜會有一個衛星通訊的這個SRB就是全國的產學研各界共同討論我們未來衛星通訊整個國家策略的發展 |
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現在大概目標都已經完善了下禮拜的會議結束以後我們在太空計畫的修正在下次的董事會也會定案那朝向邁向我們原來是這個遙測衛星跟氣象衛星邁向真正通訊衛星的這個時代這是一個非常艱鉅的任務那因為要帶進很多新的技術 |
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委員會主任委員會主任 |
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因為現在雖然目前我們的總預算還被在野黨他們推在程序委員會但是本期希望說國會這邊要很積極的來關於這個部分你們的修正你們的計畫跟你們的期程要符合你們本來的規定你們本來你們的規劃因為我們要增加的是高達400億的計畫讓整個的預算規模可能會超過650億所以這個計畫不能再拖好那剛才主委你也提到說關於這個低軌的通訊衛星非常的重要 |
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雖然它比較困難但是它真的是非常的重要我們在第三期裡面增加的這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫呢也原本預計在2026年要發射但是因為疫情種種的因素呢那我們估計太空中心估計說要到2027年才能發射我想請教主委目前我們這個B5G的低軌衛星計畫進度怎麼樣在2027年能不能如期的發射 |
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我們的確是因為疫情那幾年全世界發射廠等等都中斷了所以有延後我們在2027我們可以規劃2027可以發射是可如期的主委有這個信心 |
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主委有信心在2027年可以如期發射現在有信心大家有B5G的低軌衛星是通訊衛星那國科會也在演繹是不是要爭取納入國家公共基礎建設那主委這個部分我們演繹得如何預計什麼時候可以完成評估 |
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所以你們目前的評估是覺得說 |
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在短短幾年內因為這個技術非常的困難那我們還要尋求國際合作目前已經在洽談當中本期這邊也要提醒國科會V5G低軌衛星計畫也是台灣第一個通訊的衛星發射計畫那也會奠定我們國內的這個低軌通訊衛星的這個基礎那也希望說就可以帶動到我們整個產業鏈的發展 |
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但是呢通訊衛星存在有關的通訊資料這個國會這邊應該也要延將來辦理相關資通安全的計畫主委你覺得沒有錯我們下禮拜的會也把通訊衛星通訊的資安的項目也納進來那個非常重要項目謝謝委員提醒 |
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接下來我要請教主委我們國科會這邊也在積極的推動所謂主權AI的這個政策那其實之前輝達執行長或是AMD的執行長相繼來台我們其實有傳出說輝達跟AMD有意在台設立研發中心那我們主委也很積極的赴美拜訪相關的產業龍頭請問主委現在有沒有好消息有好消息他們會按照計畫進行所以你現在還不能公佈有任何的進度 |
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因為可能現在正在簽約的階段 |
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我為什麼提到這個部分主權AI的這個部分我們所要發展的其實因為其實輝達執行長也一直提倡說主權AI這個部分希望我們台灣要自行建立自己的資料庫我們自己的算力及雲端服務系統都要提升那我們台灣目前的狀況就是說我們通訊軟體都是使用國外像大家現在使用非常普遍非常方便LINE我們的資料中心都一樣是國外這其實對國家的安全有一定的疑慮 |
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所以希望說我們主權AI的這個部分我客會你們也要有一個長期的規劃而且要有一個制定的目標那現在是不是可以透露說你們目前對這個有什麼規劃 |
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主權AI嗎有我們在114年我們已經啟動一些跨部會的這個合作包含我們要建立我們自自主的運算資料中心以及超級電腦然後發展我們自主的AI的系統能夠支持我們其他 |
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所以國科會這邊已經有左手在規劃這個部分好了最後本席這邊要提醒國科會我們建立主權AI的前提是需要有一部完善的法規 |
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包括AI使用的界限AI隱私權等等的規範所以AI基本法應該要儘速的提出我們要完備AI資通安全AI基本法就要趕快提出那這個會期主委你們能送到立法院嗎報告委員我們AI基本法預告結束預告結束後我們 |
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我們接下來有請林怡錦委員質詢 |
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謝主席 有請吳主委 |
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林委員好主委好我想AI已經成為這個世代不可忽略的那個關鍵詞那榮太院長也有說過台灣應該進入主權AI的時代那讓台灣的人民可以感受到生活在智慧科技島那主權AI在這個詞彙的理解上本身認為AI在工具上要具有防御 |
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主委認為主權AI要有什麼樣的條件可不可以簡單回答第一我們的訓練資料要用我們國內自主的資料不要參照對我們不利的這些資料第二我們的資料要留在國內訓練的資料跟應用的資料都要留在國內所以我們自己要建我們自己的資料中心我們的超級電腦第三我們要發展自己的應用系統 |
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協助我們的百工百業可以用自己的系統而不要仰賴國外的服務商來提供這個應用服務所以這三點都要我想AI的應用其實不可或缺應該就是管制的問題我想我看了這個幾個部會下半年度的預算書我們搜尋關鍵字後發現 |
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投入AI應用的其中的幾個部會我如這個圖所示的至少有12個以上那在這麼多部會都會投入人工智慧應用的計畫下所以競速有一部完整的AI基本法來框架規範AI的使用我想接下來的立法相當的關鍵那我們看到國科會其實已經結束 |
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人工智慧基本法的預告那收集了不少意見可是其中有不少的民間團體都認為這部草案應該要有更多的各自上的人權保障那所以因為這樣子可以請求防止權力侵害的條文但是就我的理解這部基本法不是作用法 |
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所以他沒有辦法實質對人民產生作用或讓人民具體可以有請求權關於這點主委是不是要借這個機會來說明一下對於民間團體這個疑慮要如何解決 |
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謝謝委員的確我們這個基本法會兼顧人權的保障這個是確定的那當然在這個基本法裡面我們不會寫到那個細項也不會寫到法則那我們的做法就是讓這個基本法趕快能夠在立法院通過以後那讓各部位可以依據它來制定更明確的作用法這個作用法的部分我們一定會保護到剛剛委員提醒了所有的人權的部分都會保護到 |
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好,最好 |
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我想再繼續這個AI基本法的討論就是說這部基本法只有規範我國境內的AI使用者嗎但是我們知道科技的使用是無國界的所以我們舉凡外國的AI如果涉及台灣人民權利義務者他有辦法適用這部基本法的規範嗎那會不會阻礙產業的發展 主委 |
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我們相信因為這個法律要保護我們的國民也要促進我們國內產業的發展所以這個基本法這個法律當然適用範圍我們國內一定適用的但是國際的廠商到台灣來執行這個業務的時候我們當然也要規範它所以將來我們各部會都會有相關的這個作用法會來進行這一部分的規範 |
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那如果外國的AI的使用是不符合這部草案的原則那可能我們國科會草案的第三條的跟他的任何一點第三條的任何一點有抵觸的話那或許涉及侵權或涉及其他的法律責任的時候那請教主委這部基本法應該它的這個效力界線到底在哪裡?到了哪邊? |
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你懂我的意思嗎?這一部分如果他的業務有牽涉到我們國內的國民的話應該都會同樣要受到約束的都有法律責任應該都是要 |
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議員吳誠文列席報告 |
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各部會然後什麼認養認領這個AI的這個作用法的這些相關的法令做一些書面報告給我好嗎好謝謝林委員我們採用的不會是歐盟的分級我們用分類是因為分類在不同的應用上它可以有彈性的讓在不侵犯人權的狀態之下可以鼓勵產業創新的發展但是在必要的時候分類也包含分級必要的時候有些應用非常的重要對 |
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對人權是有相當的關聯度的話那他就會分級我們在作用法裡面就會把這個區分出來我想現在我想利用一點時間跟您討論運用科學的運用運動科學的運用我想在這個我們看到這個我們國科會的預算說明那我們知道說國科會在運科研究不只是針對運動員的需求去研發我們更要推動 |
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委員會主任委員 |
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委員會主席 |
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為什麼要這樣子說?就會來預防運動的傷害嗎?所以我想請教主委說我們這邊所提的運科科研成果產業化具體來說會是什麼樣的內容跟規劃?那我們要如何讓全民享受這個運動科研的果實? |
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報告委員： |
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進到這個全民運動的領域那這樣子的話就可以讓我們的全民運動的這個風氣就提升整體的水準也可以提升這是我們的策略好那所以這個全民享受這個科研的果實那你們會慢慢來循序漸進來鋪排 |
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是我們會協助科技產業因為現在看得到就是類似像說這些競技選手的這個訓練是是是那那怎麼引進民間怎麼讓他平民化產業化你們會有一套系統的做法有我們國科會在學術研究上面也也會把科技領域的教授跟運動領域的教授結合在一起好讓他們彼此互相可以把需求端跟供應端連結在一起然後把廠商也帶進來是因為我們那個產學處也有計畫來支持這個對 |
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支持這個研究那就可以擴散到這個是很大的產值是是是謝謝委員的提醒好謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝林益錦委員好接下來我們有請郭育群委員質詢謝謝主席主席早安有請主委好我們有請吳主委 |
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各位早安我想這次這個山頭和颱風才剛剛過那記得我在上個會期的時候其實我有特別到了這個我們的這個防災中心去做一個考察那記得在今年的年中就是黃仁勳他有特別在這個他的演講上面有特別提到其實講到這個Earth2這個氣候數位的暖身這個雲端的一個平台 |
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對於將來的防災或者是說在跟台灣的這個中央氣象署來合作的部分其實是有一些進程跟發展的那我們也知道其實從2018年到這個2021年我們其實有把這個中央氣象署其實有把這樣子的一個數據是提供給這個二次數那之前其實我曾經問過國科會就是目前我們運用的範圍有多大那再來就是我們的這部分的一個運用的一個進程又有多少 |
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那將來是不是可以運用在更廣泛的一個這個產業界那這個部分我請這個主委我們已經開始在用了是是是那目前成效如何成效我請我們陳主任來報告一下好 |
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7270.975 |
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那這一次在這個山頭颱風當中其實扮演了什麼樣的一個重要角色? |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
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7314.499 |
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其實我們在尤其是10月3日我們提出了這些全國的預警大概有9個縣市71個鄉鎮我們全部提出來也就是利用這一套的這些算例把它做出來所以有很多的淹水地方包括北部地區我們在13日的早上在10月3日的早上9點半10月3日的下午3點鐘我們持續的發布全國所有的淹水地區的警戒了 |
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議員議員議員 |
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將來運用在更多的一個產業上是是好那接下來我想要針對這個國科會有這個我想我們每年其實投入了很多的人力的部分就是在科研的人才的一個部分那這個我們可以看到不管是在培育或者延攬或者講述這些科技人才的一個預算其實都是相當可觀的 |
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從2013年到2023年其實近10年有37家的大專院校跟研究的機構總共有178位博士級的研究人員已經連續接受了研覽的補助10到22次 |
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7411.425 |
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那其中這178當中的123人他是從2013年補助到現在那我們知道其實這個計畫通常是講的是比較短程的齁那但是呢這些研究員其實拿了補助做了計畫但他後來這123人並沒有投入相關的產業也沒有在學界任職也沒有在研究機構轉正那 |
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國科會這個部分對於這個人才的投入產業界還有他們最後其實還要繼續會不會就是一直這樣子短期的這個補助下去但他沒有真正的進入到產業界這對我們來講其實是不是人才的培育方面應該要有更嚴厲的一個 |
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謝謝郭委員的提醒這個現象有部分的原因是因為部分的那種領域培養的博士生過剩了過剩找不到適當的工作所以他就留在學校當作博士或研究人員那部分還有一些是有問題就是學校沒有積極來協助這些博士或研究人員來發展他們的生涯 |
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我們現在也在上個會期委員提醒以後我們也做了一些辦法的修訂希望將來在申請國會補助的所有這些用人的單位我們希望他們也要協助這些博士或研究人員能夠適度的發展他的生涯不要只是當做一般的行政工作或者是學生 |
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只是向學生來協助研究工作這樣子而已希望能夠輔導他們協助他們找到適當的這個正式的這個職業的發展那不是將來喔我覺得這個部分是不是從現在開始現在我們已經改了辦法已經修改了所以從下年度的這個申請案我們已經會按照新的這個規範來執行因為他們做了這麼多的研究有的甚至已經是補助了10次以上最多還有到22次的 |
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另外我想提到的就是我們的國科會就是在這個新創團隊留在台灣發展的部分這個部分成效 |
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7549.11 |
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我想要來請教一下下那從這個2018年其實我們創立了這個台灣科技新創基地TTA那積極引進了這個國外有很多的這個投資型而且這個包含一些所謂的頂尖加速器的一個進駐 |
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7561.559 |
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那到了2023年累積總共培育了84949家的新創團隊希望能夠提升相對的提升跟台灣的合作提升這個台灣的新創產業在國際的市場當中的一個成長但是 |
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我們收到的資料只有國外的部分我們看到最後呢從原本的396再加上能夠留在台灣成立新創公司的只剩下91間最後其實它的比例是23%左右只剩下然後另外還有十幾家是沒有的那這是國外的資料 |
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為什麼國內我們反而掌握不到從107年到108年到112年全部掌握不到這個部分這個數字是不是可以來好好解釋一下我請處長來報告一下是是是謝謝委員這個數字是審計部跟我們所取的資料那其實國內團隊幾乎都有成立公司所以才453家都有 |
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當時他是focus在國外的團隊部分留台比例有多少那因為國外團隊有些來他沒有在台灣設立公司但是也受我們TTA的輔導所以在依照審計部給我們的這個定義當中我們是沒有把它納入計算所以國內的反而我們沒有計算國外的有計算國內的其實都是公司的他有成立公司喔他是原本就是公司就是國內都沒有問題啊所以審計部沒有要這個資料對 |
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但是國內其實登記廢紙的公司也有高達35家所以這個部分到底我們這個就是留台新創或者是在國內的這個新創的發展率成效到底算好還是不好啊報告委員其實新創本身就是一個高風險的一個團隊啦所以本來他因為我們每年幾乎我們看過那個數字其實每年的預算將近都是7億每一年幾乎對因為我們有各式各樣的 |
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科技新創團隊存活率相對是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
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7717.063 |
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好,那我們希望有一個比較正確的數字不要說國外有,我們國內自己掌握不到那這個部分其實我們就沒辦法繼續發了好,我們再把資料補給委員是,好,那最後一點點時間我想這個科技有這個重症其實南北我們都要均衡我們人才的培育其實真的目前看到還有所謂的要北上招募,邀請南漂這樣子的一個狀況那目前這個部分我們到底人才培育在學校端的部分國科會這邊後續到底準備好了沒 |
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我們過去的確高科技產業的發展是以北部為主所以相關的比較高階的研發人力會北漂那這個狀況賴總統也非常關心所以他提出均衡台灣那國科會在這個我們新年度114年的這個計畫裡面提出了這個智慧科技大南方產業生態系 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
接下來我們有請張家俊委員張家俊委員張家俊委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
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7779.15 |
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好接下來我們有請范雲委員質詢有請吳主委好有請吳主委范委員好主委早安那個主委知道我們前任主委是誰嗎吳正宗您跟我們前主委有仇嗎沒有沒有仇那你們兩位是不是沒有交接好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
有沒有交接有交接一次有交接喔那為什麼對前主委的計畫您剛剛有人回答上一次有一個是叫做精創嘛您都是回答說今天是說解釋不出來我也不知道然後上次精創也不知道我上台還幫你google了一下說這個因為我們知道前主委有做那個部分嘛 |
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7831.01 |
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所以為什麼商院主委很重要的他很引以為傲的計畫您都好像解釋不出來我也不知道但是上次您第一次質詢的時候我坐在這邊還去立刻幫忙講了一下我知道那是不錯的計畫但今天呢今天您剛講了說解釋不出來我也不知道您有講過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7852.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7855.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
您是不是對跨領域研究都經常不知道? |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7890.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
沒有啊,跨領域研究我很清楚啊你很知道,可是您上任之後不斷的接到學者的陳情之前我們處理那個600位的連署,就是那個永旭自然處那個我知道所以你有知道,但是還讓這個600多位連署,好幾位院士出來因為他們誤會,我們並沒有要改啊,並沒有要所以您任內之後剛好發生的誤會都在跨領域研究 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7920.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
上次是空間跟永續我們正在處理當中今天是科技民主與社會政大這個中心剛好前任主委當時有邀我們教文的委員去我剛好在他們成立當天有去現場那覺得非常的對前主委對這個重要的問題用國科會的力量來支持我其實那時候是表達非常的感謝而且期待很高 |
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7920.962 |
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7943.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
請問一下這個中心成立多久您知道嗎?好像是去年4月成立對嘛6月我剛剛有再查一下不是6月10月到現在不到一年那請問您說對跨領域研究瞭解一個人設跟科技的跨領域研究您認為預算應該要擺在哪裡? |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
7948.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7966.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
跨領域研究我們我們如果是研究的話應該在各個學術處裡面不是我的是說人事經費應該佔多少一個人文社會科學那要看他計畫的內容如果要研究科技與民主你覺得人事經費應該要佔多少以上是合理的 |
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7968.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7993.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
這部分倒不一定因為有時候你要收集資料那你製造我們社會科學的研究人事預算佔總經費通常平均多少可能會超過一半對 所以當有人質疑說人事經費居然佔超過一半的時候這不是藐視我們人文社會科學因為我們研究人類就是最重要的是有可能會超過一半難道要拿去買東西或者是拿去買器材嗎這部分我沒有質疑所以這個時候您該辯護的時候沒有辯護 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
你認為一個科技與民主臺灣現在是不是在地緣政治跟高科技民主發展的前緣這個也重要沒有問題這是不是重要這是不是應該用國家的力量來研究我們重要的事情國會都會支持OK那國會支持那這樣一個研究中心你覺得一年預算要多少才合理那還要看多少人力進來研究領域因為我還不了解所以我要去了解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
但是不了解就是說如果就是有人質疑的時候對不對就是說您不應該直接認同對方講的東西都是不合理的嗎不是他是在講程序上如果因為我不知道嘛我還不知道這個程序上有問題我們前主委成立一個中心程序有問題嗎我不知道嘛所以我要回去再看一下不是你不知道你但是上次齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8047.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8064.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我剛好也是坐在剛好在這就是說葉元智主委問您一件您捲入的事情您也說不知道我當時其實非常的遺憾非常難過因為那件事情就是也是跟科技與民主有關就是您擔任清大副校長的時候捲入一個兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8066.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8066.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
當時我 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8095.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8102.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
不是我主管的業務所以我是被指派我是被指派了我事後根本沒有機會去辯駁根本沒有機會你沒有機會但你知不知道他的結局嗎我知道結局啊你結局之後那些人就問你你居然沒有講說你是不是很委屈你還說很委屈還有我來講我的確委屈我還是跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8116.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8117.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
我願意去了解,我回去我會了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8135.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8158.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
今天我們兩岸與科技兩岸研究台灣的前三名學者您知道是誰嗎?不知道所以就是科技與民主的前三位的學者您也不知道是誰嗎?我會尊重只要按程序合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8159.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8172.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那今天就是說所以您有懷疑我們前主委有沒有按程序那我現在跟你講一個中心要花多少錢如果以美國安全與新興技術中心2019年在喬治政大學成立的它的創始資金就是5500萬美元那後來呢2021年到2025年每年經費是1億美元 |
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8183.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8203.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
他研究包含就是AI然後就是國家跟國際安全跟新興科技的跨領域研究要了解新興技術的安全影響然後能夠協助政府進行政策分析他每年的研究經費是總經費1億美元是我們政大這個中心的多少倍您知道嗎 |
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8206 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8234.179 |
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我剛剛算了一下我們那個是4000多萬對不對平均起來是我們是人家的百分之我們是人家的百分之1.6然後他一年產生的報告平均55份我們這個中心就是我剛剛緊急去要資料他們到目前為止成立才一年已經產生超過50份的研究報告了所以我們用人家百分之 |
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1.6的經費在做這樣的工作可是今天就是說因為裡面剛好有幾位就是說好像有綠色背景人社會科學我們用人口來算民進黨的支持度有超過三成吧38多少三個人中會有一個是綠的您不反對吧 |
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關心科技與民主的這個議題中有幾位剛好有綠色背景的人而且有些像我們前主委根本沒有領薪水他是顧問耶請問主委您今天卸任之後你很重視的一個AI中心這是您心中認為最重要的卸任之後去擔任顧問你認為是一件應該被質疑的事嗎而且沒有領薪水耶我們攻擊人家去當大學董事那是領薪水的私大的耶 |
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只要不違反學術倫理的我都沒有意見那這時候您居然沒有幫忙辯護我也覺得非常的遺憾因為我不瞭解所以我有說我會瞭解一下那請您好好瞭解之後我剛好要問的就是相關的問題也是跟著有關啦就是我有去問你們上次我講的也是前任幾個我看起來都非常重要跟好的研究那你們有回答有些114年預算不變 |
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我們所有的計畫 |
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您的評估指標是可以說得出來嗎?說得出來啊 |
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8367.202 |
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重要性階段性任務執行成效後續的工作規劃等等這個我們都有既定的但是現在重要性非常的主觀我們應該找專家來評估對不對比如說科技與民主就應該是國內科技與民主的專家那這個海洋研究就應該是海洋研究永續就應該是永續我的工作就確定所有的計畫按照程序來進行所以全部都會按照程序進行 |
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8416.788 |
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上一次我跟您要求的報告就是我說一周內提出決策過程然後一個月內提出應有的民主程序第三個如何保障政策與預算的連貫性可是我上次因為口誤這個一周內講成一個月那這三點我現在看起來這個陳情案真的太多了您是不是可以加速給我 |
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8418.763 |
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8421.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我希望不要再接這麼多學界的陳情案了我去年當任第一任沒有國科會的陳情案好不好 |
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主委最重要是政策的連貫性因為我們沒有要為任何人任何中心辯護可是就是說這些看起來合理的事我們一定要有一個嚴謹的評估而且是專業好嗎謝謝委員我也是這樣一定要嚴謹好那我會嚴格監督謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝范雲召委接下來我們有請吳佩儀委員質詢 |
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8469.331 |
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謝謝主席我請吳主委好我們有請吳主委 |
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8504.756 |
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吳委員好昨天台灣時間晚間諾貝爾物理學獎出爐了那頒給了美國的科學家以及加拿大級的科學家星頓他們的共同研究主題就是人工神經網絡也就是AI深度學習的基礎等於是一個奠基者就比喻如果AI是大腦的話他這個是等於是神經所以這非常重要的整個AI發展基礎的創造者 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8506.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8523.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
我特別注意到新頓這位科學家在去年的時候就發出提醒跟警訊他說AI可能和核武一樣危險需要小心來規範他是AI整個深度學習基礎的創造者 |
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8525.166 |
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8548.465 |
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都這麼樣提醒我們,所以呢其實各國努力發展AI但是也意識到它的風險都紛紛開始制定相關的法規主委你上任之後我有注意到你非常的重視甚至提前了時間的進度原先我們是預期說我們的AI基本法在這個月就是10月就要來提出主委我們會不會如期來完成 |
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8549.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8572.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
我們已經完成預告、收集意見、做部分的修訂也完成國會法規會的程序也在三個政委主持的行政院會議之下各部會都已經確認這個基本法也把各部會的作用法的架構全部都討論完畢預計在這個月底之前一定會送到行政院 |
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8572.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8597.188 |
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所以如期完成,好,我們非常的期待,因為我想他非常的重要好,謝謝委員那接下來也是要跟主委關心進度的問題是我們有一個精創台灣方案這個我知道國科會的重點計畫質疑,我也很關注那我們原先有預計在布拉格有一個海外基地要來正式掛牌營運那今年我們有沒有辦法正式掛牌 |
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8598.55 |
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8627.006 |
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我們跟外交部合作的那個是這個月要掛牌那布拉格那個就是因為在捷克的選舉那他們的部會之間有一些討論希望能夠有不同的執行的方式但是我們原來預計今年執行的教育計畫持續在做沒有中斷 有持續在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8628.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8651.544 |
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希望在今年底之前就他們的那個參議院確定了以後我們會把那個基地建好那未來會進行主要是在學術研究合作上面協助這個捷克理工大學他們最好的大學跟我們好的大學教授之間能夠長久的加強這個學術合作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8669.679 |
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學術合作及人才的培訓剛剛提到這個計畫是希望說預計今年年底的時候就可以開始進行嗎對現在已經正在進行那將來會加強學術研究合作的部分學術研究合作也在培育高階的學生 |
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8693.1 |
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因為主委剛剛也提到外交部因為其實台灣跟捷克我們有推動台捷民族夥伴供應鏈韌性及能力建構合作計畫這個計畫是跨部會要來整合合作的裡面包括了什麼呢包括了先進機片的研究供應鏈韌性研究中心關鍵技術降血金甚至商機促進計畫都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8694.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8715.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
為什麼這麼重要因為我們台灣現在跟捷克我們的外交友誼是非常重要也就是說大家有沒有注意到小英從前總統卸任之後馬上三天後首度就要出訪了這一次的行程裡面就會來到捷克的布拉格所以我們跟台捷的關係是非常的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8715.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8731.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
所以我也請國家科學要幫忙重視現在台灣在世界上我們都是重要的民主夥伴所以可以說部部都是外交部我們所有的對外的發言相關計畫的發布等等都要務必的謹慎 |
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8732.432 |
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因為這對我們跟其他的國家尤其是我們重要的友好友誼的國家的信任度是非常重要的請你們要努力加油好不好沒問題謝謝好那接下來吳主委我要跟你非常關心的是你大概也知道我每個會期絕對關心的就是我們的太空中心所以我請吳主委留步另外也請我們主任來備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
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8777.485 |
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科技是我們面對下一個世代的關鍵所以除了AI以外太空產業的發展應該是我們政府的重中之重我在我進立法院的第一次總諮詢就跟院長來討論我們太空中心的發展那我看了一下今天其實是一個很重要的日子不知道主委知不知道 |
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8780.108 |
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也跟國人分享10月9日就是我們台灣首顆自製的氣象衛星裂縫者升空的一周年今天是他的一歲生日所以呢這個我們希望我們台灣的太空發展可以越來越好 |
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8793.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8799.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
目前我們TASA的各項計劃包括了你的B5G低軌通訊衛星你的服務費8號9號這些都是打造我們台灣社會韌性非常關鍵的影響力所以我想要請問一下目前這幾項計劃的升空 |
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8810.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8834.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
還有呢我們跟哪些的國際合作的太空公司來合作因為目前我們升空還是要靠國際合作我們還沒有這隻火箭嘛目前這相關的規劃跟時程是如何我們目前發射的部分當然還是要主要是跟美國合作啦是跟哪一個廠商合作發射是 |
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8836.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
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公開招會,但是大部分是XSpace因為他們是可靠又便宜那在這個明年吳衛八號,預計是吳衛八號要發射第四季吳衛八號然後我們的B5G的通信衛星預計在2027年發射 |
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好,所以目前我們都在相關規劃的時程當中目前呢因為我們要升空我們都必須要仰賴歐美的這些廠商因為我們還沒有自資活動可是我們太空發展我們台灣的自主性我認為是非常重要的那我們的 |
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8892.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
火箭的國家發射場也在我們的太空法規的法定業務當中所以我想要請問一下因為我看到我們這個入軌火箭計畫113年度編列的預算是6.3億可是114年度現在送進來的預算入軌火箭計畫你們編的是5.4億 |
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8904.293 |
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預期當中我們預算應該是有增不會減主委這預算為什麼會從6.3億減少變成5.4億能不能說明因為我們現在在選址選址的部分還需要很多的溝通協調本來是到處都碰壁 |
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後來大家發現我們說明以後我們建設這個國家發射場其實會結合教育結合觀光就是知識的旅遊結合地方產業的發展所以現在很多地方都在爭取了那爭取以後我們初步在8月的時候我們開了一個 |
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8963.8 |
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第二次的審查會從原來5個可能的場址現在縮小到剩下兩個場址一個在台東縣一個在屏東縣那這兩個場址我們現在正在進行跟原住民溝通協調讓他們了解可能的範圍未來發展的機會等等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
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那如果一切順利的話我們就會進行最後的這個選舉目前還在積極執行當中所以主委上次你告訴我說發展這個AI主權很重要那我們發展我們自己台灣火箭的自主性是不是也等同重要我們會持續的來進行預算未來只會增不會減能不能承諾那預算我們希望編了以後不要說執行不利啊對主委我最後提醒你喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
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你看一下韓國的這個火箭的預算韓國一年編列的是1.8億美元換算成台幣是50億也就是我們台灣一年的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9008.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
謝謝吳佩穎委員 |
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9037.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9061.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
接下來我們有請葛如君委員質詢謝謝主席有請國會委員吳主委有請吳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9066.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9080.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
各位,你好。你好,主委。本席手上有一張空白支票。如果你撿到一張空白支票,你會隨便填一個數字就拿到銀行去兌換嗎?不會。不會送到警察局嗎?當然嘛。 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9082.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9104.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
我是沒有想要這個去講太多但是確實有人亂填就應該要送到警察局所以您既然知道空白支票不要自己亂填金額去兌現正常人都不應該這樣做那國科會為什麼在空白支票上寫得不清不楚自己就填上3000億元要求全台灣的人民必須要兌現買單要求我們就應該要通過預算呢我們來看一下112年11月 |
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9112.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9138.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
行政院通過晶片驅動台灣產業創新方案規劃113年到122年10年3000億我手上就是這個計畫書的核定本施行期間113到117年一共5年這5年當中政府到底要做哪些事情主委知道這本核定本報告書有幾頁嗎 |
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9140.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9163.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
我直接告訴你36頁36頁裡面的預算有多少錢主委知道嗎這一題應該可以回答吧我們這五年要花多少錢在金創計畫我們預算其實是你知不知道不知道我告訴你不知道我告訴你好逐年編列喔好這一份呢我們裡面看到的是1330億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9165.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9172.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
等於一頁這樣一頁我們幫你算過了一頁36億再一頁36億我先講為什麼我今天帶這麼多本上來我們沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9182.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9199.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
第3年要花多少錢?第4年要花多少錢?第5年要花多少錢?第6年要花多少錢?我們都沒有看到預算法裡面寫得很清楚分年的計劃當你在續年的時候就是要講清楚每一年到底要花多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9200.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9213.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
如果講了之後有修正還可以再來修但我們現在看到的內容其實非常的不完整我先確認一下啦我剛剛不小心就撕掉了72億那我們先看一下這本合定本主委有沒有好好看過 |
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9217.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9234.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我們通常最注意的還是在明年的預算因為他是比較2024到2028這裡面有沒有明年有嘛明年至少在裡面就是100多億183億你現在講183億我待會跟你交流一下 |
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9236.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9254.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
這裡面你沒看過沒有關係我直接告訴你第一頁到16頁就是講國際現況臺灣現況跟困境第17頁開始到31頁談我們的願景但是沒有KPI沒有OKR沒有人力資源的配比到底我們要怎麼完成稍微老師稍微 |
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老師稍等我一下待會我會分享一下內容我想先問啦我們從2月開始就不斷的要精創計畫的內容跟規劃還有執行的做法我們到現在都還是只有得到這一本所以老師您可以回答其他的計畫內容在哪裡 |
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委員那個是方案啦所以他本來就是沒有細部的KPI我們每一年的計畫都在審所以我請14年的精創的計畫現在是183億並不是上面寫的一年300億啦所以我們是詳細的審核那是框列那個是整個的vision的這個整個方案的推動是這個樣子我想委員你看過很多的審查計畫你應該知道這個方案其實整個方案的意義是這個 |
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謝謝老師老師在AI還有半導體真的做很多事我們以前在台大共事也很愉快你也指導很多但是我要先講我們目前真的認為現在金創計畫的預算還有很多細化討論的空間 |
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如果我們沒有辦法一一列出來就會發生這個做到一半發現有問題那個到底是不是屬於金創計畫老實說預算書裡面你們如果拿晶片驅動台灣產業創新方案裡面去搜尋是完全找不到的每一個專案的名稱都變得不一樣我們來講剛剛老師講到的這個主委也提到的183億對不對我們來看一下我們的預算您在媒體上喊 |
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200億然後呢你在國科會業務報告第4頁提到183億結果呢昨天國科會又提供給我們的資料又提供給我們的資料加起來我說金創計劃明年到底是多少億加起來90億然後呢我們還把經濟部的加進去98億還有什麼呢我們再去看了裡面到底 |
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我就想請主委說明一下金創台灣114年度的預算到底是200億183億還是98億我們現在是183億現在是國科會那之前是未來是我們行政院的預算書裡面就是這樣那國科會就是你們預算對不起我唸一下114年度國科會執行之金創計畫含他部會主題計畫加起來 |
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90.039億我們把經濟部加上去90.49 90.49把經濟部加上去98.039所以如果我們只有36頁然後呢預算書裡面每一個名字都不一樣就會有這個問題 |
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預算書應該是正確的啦,就國科會98億,經濟部其實有73.3億,速發部7.7億,教育部2.5億,國發會,農業部,衛福部都有,比較少所以183不會再變喔?不會啦,183是啦那如果多了如果少了勒?你確定喔? |
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我們都有錄影紀錄喔回去算一下很可能會變喔因為你們在預算書我真的拜託主委還有各位官員回去看一下你們在預算書裡面的每一個計畫都不叫做晶片驅動台灣產業創新方案為什麼每一個名字都不一樣你們是想加多的時候就加多想變少的時候就變少嗎我在這裡跟主委交流一下預算法第39條 |
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繼續經費預算之編制應列明全部計劃之內容經費總額執行期間以及注意喔各年度之分配額依各年度之分配額編列該年度的預算我們連明年的預算數字都會變了後年呢大後年呢 |
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各位,金創方案是一個方案,真正行政編預算是要有計劃的。那個計劃如果是多年期,一定多年期那個計劃都會有。什麼叫做只是一個方案?這是一個已經核定的? |
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10年3000億合定本出來5年1330億什麼叫只是一個方案?那我們怎麼監督阿?你們計畫不清楚我們怎麼監督阿?預算法第39條我們計畫都清楚現在只是說哪些計畫是納在金創方案裡面的我認為大家都很認真在做事 |
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我們在預算書裡真的沒有看到這個名字的計畫每一個名字都不一樣金創方案不是計畫但是在金創方案裡面可能會有一些計畫他沒有把金創方案寫出來那每一個名字都不一樣啊都是跟晶片有關的好沒關係我相信你們有一個PDF檔是有列出來的 |
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本席在此希望要求國科會的主計單位依據預算法第39條今天下班前找到這個檔案PDF也好 Excel也好把應該列明的資訊分年的計劃各年度的分配額以書面方式符合39條的內容書面方式送到本席的辦公室否則我覺得這樣我們怎麼這是不是規避預算審核啊 |
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這根本就是一個1330億的大黑箱甚至是一個10年3000億的大黑箱啊那你跟我講四個字指示方案 |
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金創台灣那是一個方案那是行政院的方案但是我們計畫說計畫一定都會按照預算法編列一定都會的所以對不起我覺得我今天比較激動因為我是真的很希望搞清楚在座有很多都是我的老師所有人都非常在意AI的發展但是我們現在沒有人搞得清楚我們3年後可以花多少錢4年後可以花多少錢 |
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我們台德做了這麼努力可能就1億多夠嗎我們的算力現在50幾全球排名第17夠嗎然後我們問來問去每次算力的數字都不一樣你在內容報告書裡寫100PF然後呢現在變成116 |
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剛剛呢我們又知道說五年內算力要變成280加上大南方又變成480 480我們好不容易可以排到亞洲第二名 對不對我們想要排亞洲第三前三嘛 對不對我告訴主委亞洲第二名是2024年的第二名啦你480加上去可能 我們還有產業投入還沒有算欸 |
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所以我們想知道您是怎麼算的南韓的數字2028是多少您2028要花多少錢什麼樣的計畫執行的方案我們沒有看到所以我們希望可以看到跟大家一起努力好不好這個主委可以幫忙嗎請主計單位把預算的細節交付到本委員辦公室 |
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否則啦我認為這樣子的一個做法我就給您八個字希望科學計算我們到底什麼樣的目標用科學的方法去計算不要用喊的合理的預算科學計算合理預算讓我們台灣真的成為AI影響力的中心我會請委員兩位老師一定會把它弄好謝謝單位主計單位好不好主計單位 |
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因為時間已經到了 |
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謝謝葛如荊委員這裡我想本期要先提醒一下我們在備詢的時候還是有一個備詢的規則在的我知道大家很心急我也知道因為葛如荊委員其實很客氣也有很多師生關係在裡面但是來到委員會要尊重備詢的一個規則在除非委員有詢問到或者是主席有邀請到不然的話我希望大家不要那麼心急我們慢慢說明慢慢解釋 |
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接下來我們有請葉元之委員主席好,麻煩請國科會主委好,我們有請吳主委 |
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葉委員好吳主委好那個上個會期那個時候還是前一個主委的時候其實我非常關心就是我們博科會博士生獎學金的問題那當時我有提出三個問題那那個前主委也承諾會改善但是我們辦公室一段時間就會接到博士生的陳情電話看得出來國科會完全都沒有想改變的意思我今天就來就教一下到底國科會是怎麼回事我上個會期我先前期回顧一下上個會期就曾經提到 |
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因為你們有提出一個獎學金嘛400個名額主要是激勵型的希望讓那些還沒有決定要讀博士班的學生不要因為經濟的問題讓他卻步所以大概補助三年一個月補助四萬塊鼓勵他們在免除經濟壓力的情況之下來報考博士班 |
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他有三個問題第一個問題是你們的申請時間以去年來講是在9月15日到10月16日只有一個月的申請時間而且是在10月16日截止換言之如果他是在11月想要讀博士班甚至於等到很多大學的博士班的招生檢章出來之後他看了檢章覺得不錯他想報考 |
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但是他有經濟壓力他就沒有辦法得到國科會這樣的協助也喪失了國科會的這個政策的美意第二件事情是完全宣傳完全不足因為很多人不知道這個計畫當時只有不好意思我在跟主委詢答可以不要干擾主委嗎主席你剛剛不是才有講過嗎我先暫停一下好不好 |
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我想直接再暫停一下那我想其實大家想要協助主委不過真的要尊重一下我們在質詢的委員好不好不然等一下我問什麼主委也不知道啊以前就發生過這個狀況啊主委要注意一下好不好各位同仁拜託大家不要心急然後第二個問題就是宣傳不足很多人根本不知道這個計畫然後等到知道之後已經來不及了所以導致於好像很多有巷子內的人知道這個計畫第二個宣傳不足第三個是在學學生被排除因為他之前不曉得這個計畫 |
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到學校之後發現怎麼有這個計畫發現不能申請了因為他已經入學了所以很多人反而再次跑去考一次博士班取得新生資格來申請這個計畫上個會期就已經提到這三個問題了結果這幾個月我們還是不斷的接到博士生的陳情講同一件事這三個問題完全沒有改善第一 |
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主委你們這一次申請時間一樣是在今年的10月1號到10月31號還是只有一個月時間換言之等到申請到10月31號截止之後想要讀博士班但是有經濟壓力的研究生他就沒有辦法來申請了嘛 |
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如果他在2月3月看到博士生檢章想要報考就沒有辦法來申請阿第二宣傳一樣不足阿連一場記者會都沒有召開我剛剛還去google我怕誤會你們阿我去google國科會博士班獎學金一則新聞都沒有關於現在你正在宣傳的計畫一則新聞都沒有我剛剛還去看你的臉書臉書也完全沒有宣傳 |
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10007.423 |
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所以我不知道說你這個是辦給誰辦給國科會的子弟嗎還是辦給只有認識國科會的人那上個會期跟我們講說會加強跟學校聯絡我去問了狀況很多學校的老師跟學生還是不知道這個計畫啊所以你到底是宣傳給誰然後再來就是在學生一樣是被排除所以上個會期前主委承諾的要改善的每一件事情都沒有改善 |
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然後再來我們來看一下你們最新的這個檢章檢章我覺得也是很奇怪這剛剛我有講過資格就是你們就是申請到10月31日下一頁然後要送怎麼件呢以去年來講你們是有除了申請表之外還有研究計畫書還有一些其他審查資料那今年是把研究計畫書把它去掉只有申請書跟其他審查資料我先問一下主委今年為什麼把研究計畫書把它取消 |
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委員提到說他一入學就要申請他可能還沒有研究計畫不是一入學又要申請 |
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結果主委你看一下這也是你們的簡章 |
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113年因為你有要求他提出研究計畫所以你有個研究計畫的評分嘛要占百分之三十然後研究計畫對國家未來發展重要性占百分之十右邊是你們最新的簡章主委請您看一下簡章右邊114年度我劃線部分有沒有研究計畫有沒有研究計畫有沒有研究計畫還是有還是有研究計畫占幾分主委 |
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10113.701 |
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40分好我們上一頁右邊你的簡章裡面要人家教的資料裡面有沒有研究計畫 |
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沒有!所以很荒謬嘛!你在前面的簡章沒有叫人家交研究計畫下一頁研究計畫佔了40%的分數那如果你是申請的人主委你是申請的人你到底是要交研究計畫還是不要交研究計畫而且主委你剛剛自己講的喔為什麼免除研究計畫是因為要讓大家的申請門檻降低 |
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結果實際上你剛剛講的東西完全打裂你之前說的話嘛所以我只舉一個缺失其實這個缺失蠻嚴重因為你會讓申請的人無所適從啊你就知道說你們在辦理這個研究計畫辦理這個獎學金有辦得多麼的隨便 |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10172.628 |
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所以我為什麼非常生氣因為很多學生是不買單的嘛我們來看一下這個除了有很多人跟我陳情之外網路上也都很容易看到人家抱怨你這個獎學金像左邊那個是一個成功大學在低卡的學生的發文他說 |
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你看我們框起來的部分他有打電話給國科會的人去問這個獎學金的事情結果你們國科會的人跟他講說哎呀獎學金這麼多啊也不是只有國科會啊你就提早規劃不會喔學生說那個國科會的人讓他感覺是不差你這一個啦反正我們只要把預算消化完就好了有沒有達到政策目的沒有差啦然後你看他框出來的部分他說感覺雖然立委質詢過可是國科會就是不重視 |
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而且沒有想要真正的培養優秀研究生然後右邊是國立清華大學在低卡的一個學生的發文他也講啦他說他一直在研究國科會的這個研究計畫結果名額很少啦看了半天原來是當屆博弈才能申請他也搞不清楚你們的計畫 |
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所以他的署名是什麼呢一路打工兼差苦撐到現在快畢業的一個學生奉勸大家讀博士班要三思你們這個計畫已經讓學生在網路上批評成這樣叫大家不要讀博士班我就問啦這個東西有符合你們政策的目標嗎沒有所以我們要改你上個會期就說要改啦請問一下這個是哪一個處負責的 |
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所以以後你們就只要換一個主委換一個部長做事就可以重蹈覆轍可以這樣嗎不是我答應你主委你這樣講話我聽不下去啦 |
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那麼多博士生大家都有經濟壓力想要拿那個獎學金你們說要激勵大家要免除大家的經濟壓力結果你的政策反而讓大家在網路上罵聲一片奉勸其他人不要讀博士生然後你講話還前後矛盾說我要免除研究計畫但是後面又有研究計畫這到底是什麼演張啊你會不會降低國科會的公信力這是我們執行的問題啦所以這一點我們會幫他改善過怎麼改善 |
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就是把它去掉啊不是只有這個問題而已我剛剛講了三個問題第一個你有宣傳嗎宣傳不利宣傳不利那要怎麼宣傳你現在時間來得及剛剛委員提到的包含在臉書國科的這個網站等等都不夠啦那但是學校卓偉你會讓人家以為說好像跟你們國科認識的人才來申請啦一般人都不曉得嘛 |
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那委員建議什麼DECOX嗎?不是你第一個你要分階段來弄這個名額嘛否則的話你這個到了10月底沒有申請的人以後就沒有機會了嘛你要分階段如果我今天是5月我看了簡章我才想要報名的人然後我有經濟壓力的我就沒辦法來申請了啊 |
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這部分原來是因為行政院通過的方案裡面就已經定時了那我會改我會改希望未來你講因為你現在檢張還沒有因為你這到10月31號你跟我講怎麼補救這一次沒有辦法沒有補救那如果他是明年3月才想要報名的一樣的問題啊他就沒有辦法來申請了啊我們有發配給學校的除了那400個是國會申請之外我們給學校有600個名額 |
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我們要解決我剛剛講的問題 我覺得針對問題回答啦 因為你也是學者啦 我們就針對問題回答但是我們給學校的是 學校可以制定辦法那我現在講的是這400個名額好不好 卓惠 要廢掉這400個嗎如果你編的預算有這400個名額 我們就要把這個做到好嘛 不是有做就好 要做到好嘛我們會把它做好啦 怎麼做 |
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因為我們早已站起來了我想諸位你應該也是第一次聽到這麼荒謬的計畫你可能需要一點時間消化你什麼時候來我們辦公室來說明一下這個計畫因為這個是講博士生很關心的不要開玩笑這是教育的東西耶什麼時候可以改好我們要改啊三個月可以嗎 |
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接下來請楊瓊英委員質詢接下來請 |
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吳誠成委員質詢 |
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各位好,就跟剛才議員之委員一樣,我也覺得好像溝通了很多次那國科會聞風不動我也看了仔細的拜讀你們的業務報告所有的觀念都沒有改變 |
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完全置之不理我還想在這個報告當中高齡研究沒有看到高齡研究沒有看到我們所溝通的相關而且你也說這個時候的溝通你們都在做我在看你們裡面有關高齡的 |
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跟這個10年前完全的東西都沒變都還是一路的只有以健康醫療這個主委這個國科會應該都是科學家吧科學家應該是科學家吧對不對國科會都是科學家科學家依據的是什麼 |
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政治考量：經濟考量還是事實考量：數據吧應該根據數據吧這個 主委 這個數據 這數據你瞭解吧 你知道吧我瞭解你瞭解嘛 它代表什麼意義我問一下國科會現在你在制定高齡政策是在1970年的思維還是用2040年的思維 |
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當然我們是要往未來去看已經在眼前那不是未來但是未來會更嚴重那也很嚴重那你看一下這一個人口問題這麼嚴重那你們當作一個科學家裡面談了半天文獎完全幾乎沒有在處理這個問題 |
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我看了啊,我看你們的業務報告啊,你除了跟10年前的這些醫療照顧之外,我沒有看到任何新東西啊 |
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但是我們不會只照顧特定的年齡層啦不是這個叫什麼特定科技研發不是這個特定這個特定你看過2010年上面佔百分之百分之三十六十五歲以上的人佔百分之三十叫特定這個叫特定嗎我們健康台灣的計畫會特別為了為了這個 |
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我講你就是活在1970年所謂特定就是1970年65歲上占人口2.9%這叫特定2040年是30.1%這叫特定嗎我們有相關的計畫高齡科技產業行動三分之一的人口在你的計畫書裡面我們的科技政策幾乎是付之缺乳 |
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但是我們所有的一些科技...那這個假如說我們不會...我覺得你講這個話就讓我非常寒心了不是 我們所有科技研發的計畫一定最後都會把它應用到這個年齡層 一定會有的啦一定有 但是沒有專門來應付 |
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全民,所有東西都是全民的我看到你有特別對每一個都是有一個特定目的、特定目標的服務啊我們的應用的部分就是顯現在健康台灣的那個基本上啦現在這個高齡者65歲現在有500萬人這500萬人當中 |
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沒有在使用網路這個是國科會的資料裡面有一個什麼叫做平台裡面沒有使用網路的250萬人一半的人沒有在使用那有在使用的另外250萬人當中在使用政府服務的數為87.5萬 |
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基本上大概就是400萬吧百分之八十沒有在使用政府沒有做這些的對這些人沒有在扶持嘛扶持的非常少嘛這個是一個事實這是你們自己的數據 |
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我現在講的國客會對壯世代對高齡者你也不要聽說壯世代高齡者的人設不能只是長照你現在裡面提的就這個已經講的就是繞著醫院團團轉這樣子這個提到了這不是高齡者這個叫做撫養筆這個溝通已經溝通很多次了壓垮下一代 |
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委員會主席 |
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這是引發全面性的問題 這不是特定族群的問題整個內閣要一起行動起來 每一個部會都要有每一個部會都要把高齡者納入主要的政策 我們現在都把它當作邊陲政策預算都除了衛福部之外 預算都未達1% |
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在各部會當中但是我也提到了壯士代支應了我們的預算的55%我們的稅基整個政府的預算是壯士代供應55%但是各部會提供的服務不到1%還認為說他是特定族群 |
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聯合國建了主題叫做不要遺落任何人所有的科學家競領排在所有的高喊轉型正義都是不要遺落任何人而我們的國科會遺落了占三分之一人口的壯世代 |
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沒有遺落沒有遺落我可以跟委員報告我在那個BTC會議結論的時候講得很清楚因為國會是以科技研發為主我們現在要把科技產業的實力讓他來怎麼樣去結合我們包含醫療的產業照護的產業都能夠讓他可以協助到不是進到醫院去的人而是一般的這個應用服務我們都可以 |
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但是我在整個我覺得你們對這部分的論述比如說你們對到女力科技你們當專注到一個議題的時候你們就規劃了很多的事項應該做的事情很多那我也想請科學家們這個是三分之一人口的問題台灣未來30年最重要的問題就是人口問題高齡化、少子化這問題科學家不去面對它不去解決它的話 |
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臺灣就是一場災難這個我們了解啦所以賴總統才會有這個健康臺灣的這個議題會出來所以呢其實這個我還是要再三的所以呢那個主委也提到了要重視這個問題嘛對啦就是壯實的科技平權我看這一期當中你有針對特定不同族群有提出你們的科技計畫 |
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那是不是也可以提狀態的科技計畫可以嗎 |
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對高齡者我們會再加強 |
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主席麻煩主委主委麻煩請備詢謝謝 |
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王委員好主委你以前是台南的PJ所以我們就只在指望時間有限PJ是投手的意思以防其他人聽不懂聽得懂第一個我們在本席在2018年19年有提出敏感科技保護法後來到2022年換屆了到第10屆上一屆的時候我們在4月份我們通過了國家安全法第3條條文相關的修正草案針對我們國家的重要科技 |
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民間科技必須予以保護跟適當的管理那在2023年4月26號呢當時的國科會根據國安法修法之後的結果訂定了國家核心關鍵技術認定辦法這個部分注意仔要嗎?我仔對那後來呢拖了相當長的時間因為根據關鍵技術的認定辦法 |
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每一年度要review一次要重新檢查一次因為科技與日俱增所以要來檢視所以在2024年這一個我看到你們有公布第二波清單辦理事項因為在2023年的12月5號 |
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當時的國科會有公告了第一波國家核心關鍵技術項目及主管清單總計有22項裡面大概有5個主管機關牽涉到像封裝的安全啦相關的技術那我現在要提問了就是說 |
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因為這有關臺灣經貿科技的優勢這跟我們臺灣變經濟有關也有關臺灣是否為自由民主世界的reliable supplier可靠的供應者那也有關歐美盟友的關切你看美國總統大選他們有沒有談到這個當他們在管制晶片的時候 |
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雖然那可能是一個謬誤,他們卻認為是台灣把晶片留向不可靠的對手。所以當美國的晶片法案、荷蘭的光刻機、日本的設備跟化材等等,我第一個請教主委,我們台灣第二波的核心關鍵技術項目什麼時候會出來? |
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我們現在已經在請各部會提出清單當中那國科會我們自己也已經有列出一個增加的清單我有幫你去問經濟部的產業技術師在已經發文給你們提列了第二波有關電池晶片技術晶片製程等文你你們有收到了嗎有有那速發部好像還沒有提報 |
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目前我們還在溝通當中 |
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你們的大限是12月4號嗎?原則上我們一年一定會開一次所以我們目標就是12月底我們會把審議會開完12月底喔?12月之前年底前今年一定會把審議會開了我們當時規定的是每一個年度要公布一次所以你們是以年度來算是今年底我是以你們上次公告時間是12月5號來算是12月4號沒關係我可以給你多一點時間那今年底你們要review出來的重點現在有沒有方向? |
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現在有方向,我們第一,剛剛委員有特別提醒我們跟我們的很重要的友邦以及友好國家,特別是美國我訪問了美國,訪問了德國,其實也都提到這個議題我們會特別跟他們會有一致性的看法 |
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你現在講的是一個很重大的事情喔一致性看法意思就是美國晶片法案所禁止的事項臺灣會列進去我們當然還要衡量我們的產業因為它包含了服務包含了資金包含了技術包含了component它全部都是有列管喔我們主要是這個國科會負責技術的部分技術部分當應用到產業的時候經濟部會把那些條件會把它加進來 |
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我建議因為這一個事情是保持我們國家的競爭優勢牽涉到我們在供應鏈裡面的可信賴程度所以是重要的事它不僅是國家安全不僅是敏感科技它更是我們拼經濟非常重要一個基礎所以我個人是贊成跟主要盟友國家荷蘭的管制ASMO |
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日本最近才公布管制他們的那個機器設備我們可以有一致性的標準然後他在經濟上對我們的好處國家安全上的好處你們可以把它明列清楚讓我們國家的國人企業界能夠了解因為他主要的主力可能會來自於某一些仰賴中國市場的企業界所以可能說明說服的工作諸位這邊要加強 |
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謝謝委員提醒因為我們的市場我們產業經營的方向也要逐漸的去做一些轉移那所以跟美國的合作會加強好 謝謝主委謝謝委員謝謝王定宇委員質詢 官員請回座那我們接著繼續質詢請鍾嘉斌委員質詢時間4分鐘 謝謝 |
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主席．在場的委員先進．列席的政府機關長．官員會長．工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生．有請我們吳主委．還有請南科局的政局長．還有國家太空中心的吳主任請主委局長跟主任備質詢謝謝 |
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主委好我想這是我們第一次面對面跟你請教因為只有四分鐘有四個題目很簡短的讓您知道也會表達您的意見我有四個重點第一個就是有屏東科學園區對不對本席有這四個重點那你知道屏東科學園區面積多少開發面積多少嗎 |
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大概38公頃嘛對,所以他算是一個比較小的他跟南科的三期也是38公頃嘛對,所以既然屏東科學園區南科的第三期擴建比較大但第三期的,人家第三期就38公頃了屏東整個可用的才38公頃所以要請那個政局長多費心其實就因為他的面積相當有限那附近還有其他的屬於經濟部的科技產業 |
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政局長 |
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是的委員這邊我們除了屏東科學園區以外其實科技產業園區在旁邊也有擴區你們都統合一起來招商是好謝謝第二個問題那因為未來的這個國家太空中心的目前的科研火箭試射在屏東那未來我們的發射場域有可能勘定兩個地方那主委能不能幫我們介紹一下會在哪兩個地方 |
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我們會在這個南田那個台東目前確定在南田還有屏東的九棚兩個候選這兩個候選大概會考量哪些選項考量哪些要素然後做這個決定什麼時候會決定 |
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這兩個地點都符合我們的條件那最後要決定要第一當地的居民包含我們原住民認同牡丹山鄉長已經完全認同了很可惜的酒棚是在滿周下再來就是地方政府的配合 |
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民眾也全力支持我們周先生也是這麼說因為我們到時候還有這個環境影響評估啦用地取得啦開發的時候那個基本上過去民眾從不知道有點疑慮到現在很積極的爭取我想是不是請您指示我們吳主任未來你們的選擇條件希望地方怎麼配合讓吳主任來跟我們做充分的說明以利地方爭取可以嗎吳主任 |
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主任有預計什麼時候再去地方做這樣的磋商嗎?我們其實已經在進行了第三個問題我非常關心的就是我們的新能源的開發 |
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那目前國科會在新能源的科學像氫能你們是有哪個部門在負責是永續研究發展處呢還是國家實驗研究院我們是自然處在負責統合自然處嘛就是永續研究發展處嘛那你們對於其他部門瞭解嗎像中研院他們也對於去碳純氫這樣的計畫你們有在關切嗎 |
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議員吳誠文列席報告業務概況． |
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11595.442 |
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關鍵基礎設施國科會有掌握嗎?剛剛我們的王定宇委員有問關鍵基礎設施你了解他的重要性嗎?關鍵基礎設施是技術部分還是設施的部分?設施的部分設施我們當然當然要關注是很重要的所以你們目前國科會有律定我們國科會所管轄的關鍵基礎設施哪個單位在管? |
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我們自然處有所謂的核心設施共用那如果未來我要關鍵你們對這些關鍵基礎設施要找哪個窗口我才能夠了解你們有沒有做好適當的防護 |
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主委謝謝主委謝謝局長謝謝主任 |
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謝謝總嘉賓委員的質詢關於請回座謝謝那我們接下來繼續進行質詢那有請羅廷偉委員質詢好謝謝主席有請吳主委主委要喝水嗎沒關係不用好羅委員好 |
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好 主委這是商任第二次業務報告本期想今天就進一步跟你了解一下商任滿月的時候呢6月24日你有對媒體說希望任內培育第一位本土的諾貝爾得主那當然我們知道這是一個宏大的一個目標我們也都非常認同也希望一起來努力無論是過往的李遠哲先生丁兆中博士非常不簡單但是他們都有出國深造 |
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那去年翁啟惠院士與此殊榮擦肩而過讓國人倍感惋惜當然我們非常期望可以看到台灣能夠誕生出自己一個本土培育出來的諾貝爾得獎那我有注意到你上任前有撰寫一篇文章大學憑什麼享有學術自由對吧 |
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您具體的提到台灣目前學生不念博士班主要的原因是因為教授們沒有主動協助學生達成合理的學習目標且論文點數掛帥導致學生都在幫教授寫論文卻從來不在乎論文是否能夠有落實貢獻幫助通過嚴謹的國內外同儕互評機制您更直接提到如果以論文偏數為標準納迪院則院士就絕對不可能得到諾貝爾獎 |
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那麼你問為接手國科會在你領導之下國科會對此具體的作為會是什麼是協助教育部來落實國內外的同儕互評機制還是如何落實產出更有貢獻的一個論文你對自己提出的培育第一位本土諾貝爾得獎組的一個目標目前有多少的信心我想這個部分我想聽聽你的想法 |
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我的確是想要朝這個方向走就是說我們在學界的這個學術評量上面能夠鼓勵大家對於產生對人類社會的重大貢獻為目標而不是以只是論文發表的數量為目標因為學術的成果發表論文當然是很重要的一個傳遞知識的管道 |
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委員會主任委員會主任 |
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不要只是把它發表論文期待人家看了論文就可以接續的把它完成應用這一點其實是蠻重要的所以我會提到李遠哲院士的原因是因為他把他的想法真正做成設備設備可以做實驗那個交叉分子數碰撞儀造成後續的很多的化學家想要了解他的理論是不是可以實現的時候非常重大的貢獻所以他不是只是一個科學家當然 |
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他還是一個工程師是他真正把東西做出來那我們看到你現在有表態你的態度嗎還是持續為朝這個方向來努力有目標很好那具體有沒有什麼樣的做法甚至有沒有什麼期程但是我們行政不能干預學術所以我們就希望說 |
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第一步我們從這個學問召集人我其實有表達我的理念然後再來就是希望能夠在學校大學裡面也我們在下一屆的這個大學校長會議希望也能夠宣導這個事情因為很多的這個辦法 |
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謝謝羅委員 |
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好那第二個問題我想問一下關於海外精創基地我們都知道國科會啟動了精創台灣方案目前拍板的基地應該是位於捷克的這個布拉格但是原本預計要9月正式營運卻沒能如期當時有提到外交部說是國科會請國科會來說明當時國科會的說明是說捷克正逢選舉內部有許多的意見要整合那如今選舉已經9月28日結束了請問捷克內部的意見是否已經整合完成 |
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他們還出現在整合當中因為還有議長的選舉之類馬上要進行因為捷克各個政黨對我們都很有善所以我們不會預期有困難只是說他們的意見我們要尊重他們的意見那我們跟捷克理工大學在布拉格的合作其實並沒有中斷我們持續在進行所以你跟各個黨派都有去做溝通 |
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都會溝通因為他們是執政聯盟所以其實對台灣都蠻友善的我想這個因為它有五黨聯盟的一個動盪那我想海盜黨現在集體退出聯合政府有關那包括捷克的外交部長也是海盜黨他現在也都有所辭職請問部長有沒有掌握相關的狀況這一部分我們會讓外交部來協助我們會跟外交部搭配搭配來進行後續的合作那你有信心今年會營運嗎 |
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我想國人關心的是管轄權的問題台灣在這個項目中投入了121億那現在並且根據官方捷克的一個表示將投入不少於3300萬美元以前話台捷之間的一個供應鏈的韌性但有捷克官員表態讓管轄權屬於台灣的相當困難 |
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這是否意味著台灣的資金和技術上投入最終可能只是作為捷克建設金創園區我們要如何確保在這一項投資當中台灣在這個合作能夠獲得實質的管轄跟利多 |
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我們倒不想去管轄啦我們是真正要進行合作那合作從國會的角度來看如果是學界之間的合作通常都不會有這個政治的干擾出現啦所以我還是蠻樂觀的當然管轄是其次啦但是我希望最重要是對台灣在合作過程當中有利多 |
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這部分是我必須要表達的深切的一個關心那我們也希望你這樣的技術這樣子的一個合作當然我們都認同那我們也希望一定要特別注意一些細節讓這件事情不只在推動的時候順利推動之後還能夠帶來台階雙方重大的一個利益是謝謝我會照顧到說這個合作對彼此都會有利對台灣也是會有利的好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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謝謝羅廷威委員的質詢關於請回座謝謝那我們接著繼續質詢請羅志強委員質詢羅志強謝謝有請國科會主委請主委備質詢謝謝 |
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主委好上禮拜跟主委也才在這裡碰面那我覺得主委你的好爽跟這個大氣的承諾我也都記得你說要在4年內讓台灣的AI準備度從世界排名19重新回到10名內 對不對那你也算力要把它回到10名內那這一點我肯定部長有氣魄做出一個非常具體的指標的一個明確的目標 |
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但是國發會今年在各項領域總共編列了一般科技預算1467億元114年度科技預算將強化哪五大產業發展 |
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打五個產業喔?對第一當然就是我們半導體會持續嘛AI會持續然後我們也協助國安部經濟部發展這個軍工相關的然後再算是韌性安控的部分安控 |
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再來就是我們的次世代的通訊特別是衛星通訊的部分也同步協助中小企業升級轉型對不對這是剛剛講是核心的產業核心產業之外我們在基礎的民間各行各業會利用這些科技產業來協助他們發展這也是重點好謝謝請主委繼續努力 |
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那針對臺灣的人工智慧島 主委有很明確的KPI給定出來了那包括我們前面提到的但是今年 這半導體領域當然臺灣一直是翹楚 這就先不提那臺灣 但是今年增加了軍工產業的發展那我想請問 這個工作指標 那主委是打算怎麼來設定我們的所謂的那個目標呢 |
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那因為前面還有所謂的可以進到所謂實名內那請問你怎麼樣去設定新的目標把軍工產業軍事能力來到排名全球排名第10嗎有這個目標嗎這一部分現在還沒有特定的這個指標因為我們在起步當中那現在我們發展的重點就是要透過跟美國的合作因為在系統的規格上面我們還不熟悉譬如說我們最近經濟部跟國防部一起做的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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12248.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
蔡英文總統就揭示說要打造無人機國家隊 |
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12275.972 |
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12298.862 |
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顯然這個目標可能還有很多路要走在您的那裡繼續努力那我這樣講全球知名的軍事網站全球火力他公布2024年軍力排名台灣位居24較去年下滑一個名次所以我覺得這其實也是一個可以參考的一個指標那有明確的計畫跟目標所以立法院才能夠本於職權來審定預算但是 |
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12300.703 |
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12322.983 |
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其實我到目前我覺得可能主委可能針對軍工這一塊因為我看我們賴總統非常重視這一塊所以這一塊既然做一個很新的一個目標的話我覺得應該還是要有更加量化的一個指標能夠讓國人來參考好嗎這個我們跟經濟部來一起討論因為這個是經濟部在主政是好那就麻煩主委繼續努力好謝謝委員謝謝 |
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12328.885 |
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12333.732 |
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好謝謝羅志祥委員那接下來我們有請陳冠廷委員質詢你好我們請主委有請吳主委 |
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12348.682 |
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12373.604 |
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陳委員好主委好主委台灣不是國際電信聯盟成員會不會影響我國的太空發展到目前為止還沒有這個問題因為我們過去從最早期的類比通訊到2G 3G 4G到現在5G我們其實都有實質的參與在標準的這個制定的過程當中去了解我們也有一些部分的一些貢獻對通訊衛星使用的無限級微波的頻寬是為了避免訊號干擾 |
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12389.381 |
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ITU根據國際電電組織法第4條會主責協助全球無線電的這個頻率分配跟跨國頻率協調如果說台灣被排除在國際體制之外要怎麼樣保障我們發展6G次世代的通信的權益 |
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12390.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
12412.197 |
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此的意思是說ITU跟台灣爭取參與WHO UN IKL一樣各種國際組織一樣都沒有必要性反正透過外圍或者是透過合作的方式或者是用中華電信與新加坡的合作模式或者用科研用的可行為科學研究及實驗之特殊保留評斷就可以解決我們不需要實質參與我們不需要進入這樣子的ITU |
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12413.138 |
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12438.252 |
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其實不需要直接進入啦其實我們長期以來ITU的任何的活動我們透過我們的法人機構以及產業界都有實質的參與所以我們也不需要參與UN也不需要參與WHA只要透過其他的合作就能夠達成實質參與的目的我們是在不得已的狀況之下我們是在不得已的狀況之下但是商用的低軌衛星因為需要使用專攻商用排除他人的安老的頻寬 |
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還是必須要透過ITU與其他國家進行這個協調交涉才能夠完成使用登記嗎是現在的這個於縣政府主任也在2021年受訪的時候他有表達說台灣以往參與的經驗可能沒有辦法複製在通訊衛星的頻寬協調上面所以我想請教主委在這樣子的狀況之下台灣 |
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12460.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
12476.57 |
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在發展6G通訊衛星怎麼樣可以透過合作的模式來去達成我們想要達到的實質參與這樣的困境我們該怎麼處理是我們現在在策略上就是會跟美國日本合作那跟美國日本合作因為我們自己也沒有相關的經驗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
徐副委員 |
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12499.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
12514.546 |
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但是我還是要再講一件事情就是說當我問這個問題的時候你回答不會的話其實對我們未來參與外交的國際組織是有傷害的我們要盡我們所有的能力去參與我們不僅僅要實質參與我們要能夠加入這樣子的這種國際聯盟相關的組織我們不能夠放棄所以當你說 |
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12520.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
12550.291 |
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不會,不會影響的話其實是有點影響的謝謝委員提醒的的確但是我本意不是說都沒有問題我們沒有在質疑你的善意我只是說以後我們的延遲上面大概是要注意一下好謝謝謝謝沒有什麼對或錯因為台灣的現在的國際環境處境之下我們本來就是會遇到這樣的困難就是說用這個限制我們還是很努力要謝謝主要就是要向你表達這件事情以後被問到類似的狀況的時候千萬不要說不會沒有影響 |
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主委除了評普分費之外還有一個部分就是火箭發射的部分我們不是ITU的成員所以我們無法在發射火箭前來去送交提前公佈資料或者是協調請求書給ITU那這樣的狀況之下我們要如何確保我們能夠推動入軌火箭計畫的登記順利進行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
12588.512 |
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的確就是因為有這個困難所以我們才需要跟美國來合作那也希望說這種合作逐步會讓台灣有機會只要我們做得好的話將來有機會突破這個困境也許就可以直接加入這個國際組織 |
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| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
12610.12 |
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最後主委我還是再提到就是說我們現在1999年到現在發射的22顆衛星在聯合國系統是被標註成台灣Providence of China這個部分所以我剛剛一直在強調就是說我們必須要把這個態度做出來因為不能夠就是說沒有辦法我們就不去做嘗試好謝謝陳委員好謝謝 |
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12613.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
12640.948 |
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謝謝陳冠廷委員接下來我們有請何欣淳委員 何欣淳委員不在蔡易宇委員 蔡易宇委員 蔡易宇委員不在高靖素美委員 高靖素美委員 高靖素美委員不在林楚英委員 林楚英委員 林楚英委員不在徐欣盈委員 徐欣盈委員 徐欣盈委員不在蘇巧慧委員 蘇巧慧委員 蘇巧慧委員不在蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員不在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
12655.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
邱志偉委員 邱志偉委員 邱志偉委員不在鄭振前委員 鄭振前委員 鄭振前委員不在報告委員會今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢另有張家俊委員 邱志偉委員提出書面質詢 |
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12657.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
12678.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
關於今天會議我們做成如下的決定報告及詢談完畢委員所提書面質詢或相關資料列入記錄並刊登公報對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料及未及答覆部分請相關金官盡速以書面答覆報告委員會今天議程處理完畢現在散會謝謝各位 |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
議員會議員會議員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
委員會委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
委員會主席 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月7日及9日二天一次會】） |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:21 - 12:03:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16158 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16158 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-22-3 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-09T08:31:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-09T12:03:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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