| IVOD_ID |
16148 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16148 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-07T08:31:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-07T14:57:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:25:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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治水預算 要把這個 |
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請主秘報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員14位以主法定人數我們現在開始開會首先進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議書 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事落時間113年9月30日星期一9時2分至12時9分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員、林代化委員等14人、列席委員、陳金輝委員等18人、列席人員、公民會主委、李美季相關人員 |
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主席、李昭吉委員、玉琳報告事項一、宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定二、邀請公平交易委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況．並備質詢公平會主委李美報告後委員林黛華等18人提出質詢,均由公平會李主委暨相關人員即席答覆 |
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決定一、登記方案文出不在場者外,區域均與方案完畢,詢答結束二、文憲一奉幾頁原資所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三、書面質詢和未及答覆部分檢証單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會、散會。宣讀完畢好,這場委員會人數還不足算人,我意思先暫步處理 |
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好,現在繼續進行報告事項,請一併宣讀。二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況．並備質詢。三、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部次長就《我國政府對新創及中小企業扶植政策執行狀況與未來精進措施．含政策、人才、法制、稅制、資金、區域平衡等六大面向．進行報告．並備質詢。宣讀完畢。 |
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好 我們首先請國家發展委員會劉敬欽主委做報告報告時間10分鐘夠不夠兩份報告兩份報告15分鐘好好 謝謝 |
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主席還有各位立委先進大家早非常榮幸有這個機會來這裡發表我們國發會的業務報告 |
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我想我會盡快的精簡的報告這個內容我們先就經濟情勢來看我國的經濟成長率預估今年應該還會在3.9%左右那整個變化看起來並不是那麼大那唯一是說整個下半年比較大的變化還是在於產業的驅動 |
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這個產業驅動裡面從AI跟蘋果這兩塊是我們比較大的影響再來是中美的選舉的角力的問題還有就是選舉的結果那目前我們評估下來問題不大那主要會造成我們整個經濟這麼繁榮的原因主要是來自於出口我們出口預計今年會成長8.71% |
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1914.212 |
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那民間的投資也成長了大概3.89那也是歷年來第二次超過5兆大概5.3兆左右的民間投資也是非常的力道非常驚人那民間的消費我們也成長了2.78% |
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1930.444 |
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所以整個經濟的成長率就會達到3.9%以上雖然是全球來講是表現比較優秀的國家那我們施政的方向大概有四個第一個是透過創新思維扮演全球經濟關鍵的角色 |
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1932.446 |
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1947.163 |
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二、投資人才,形塑新時代的國際人才競爭力。三、強化區域合作,促成區域的永續發展與均衡。四、持續開放政府政策,提升市政透明度。 |
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1948.484 |
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1972.306 |
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我們在經濟創新的部分我們主要是推動信賴物產業在半導體、AI、軍工、次世代、通訊跟安控這幾個產業半導體會以經濟部為主然後國會輔助研究的部分我們希望打造一個完整的供應鏈韌性這裡面最要強化的是兩個部分第一個部分是材料的部分第二個部分是半導體的設備 |
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1973.667 |
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1996.738 |
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同時我們也積極的會去協助半導體封裝產業進入西光子那這個的話是讓強化臺灣在全球的供應鏈領導力那AI的部分我們除了持續強化我們在零件端的研發跟製造之外我們也會在應用端會強化那這個部分會結合到觸發部、經濟部跟國科會共同的打造 |
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1997.398 |
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2013.511 |
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那軍工產業會由經濟部主政那以無人機或是無人載具為主無人機無人船都會是一個很重要的關鍵那我們在次世代通訊目前是以經濟部為主那我們會佈建新的這個網路那這裡面也會輔佐到 |
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2014.793 |
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2033.011 |
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速發部跟國科會那另外安控產業呢因為安控的核心是AI所以是速發部來核心主導那讓整個國人可以在一個更安全的環境下工作跟生活那另外在均衡產業部分我們也希望協助整個傳統產業跟服務業的價值提升 |
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透過三個效率化的提升第一個是數位效率化以AI來導入然後協助產業發展第二個事情是資本的效率化促成產業控股發展然後擴大經濟規模然後讓我們的透過經濟規模具備國際競爭力再來是因為有了資本效率化之後就容易就有資金去做它的效率再造那我們效率化的提升從供應鏈到成本都有助於整個產業的發展 |
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那另外在創新經濟裡面我們還有一個就是我們遷移打造創新產業那創新創業這個生態系我們目標是到2027年可以每年達到1500億那我們今年其實做了蠻多的變動主要是來自於活絡投資生態系再來是擴大投資標的跟提升創業的成功率這三個生態系統的發展 |
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那我們尤其在投資活絡生態系我們最近做得非常多在主題式的投資我們這個AI我們匡列了100億我們在文化部也匡列100億那我們最近在大健康也匡列100億所以呢我們都在擴大然後透過學校跟國際串聯那尤其是我們前一陣子到日本我們接受了採訪大概有110個媒體那是一個很好的一個這個milestone對國際而言 |
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國發基金是我們這裡面很重要的一環那國發基金的成立是促進國內產業的創新跟轉型他並不是以盈利為目的但是我們在112年還是創造了288億的獲利那雖然 |
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每一個過程裡面一定有好跟不好的部分但是我們積極對我們需要改進的地方也做了很多的強化那我們主要是針對我們過去在創業轉移基金的投資部分做了很強的投資機制的改善跟投後的管理主要是投錢的機制改善強化投後的管理再來是我們強化我們未來的退場機制所以我們現在也有有標的正在進行退場 |
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那再來是兆元投資國家建設方案裡面我們希望引進更多的資金進來所以跟金管會、財政部共同的合作我們這個也取得了行政院的同意那我們現在是會放寬部分的法令同時呢我們建立一個平台在行政院然後透過院級的平台來促進雙邊的投資 |
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那另外在我們創新經濟裡面還有一塊是透過經濟的角度去協助國家建立更多的夥伴關係所以我們在中東歐的合作跟這個我們也做了非常多的經貿的合作那最近在日本我們開始展開了新的一些動作那也創造了彼此之間的關係 |
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那最後再來是我們在談投資人才的部分我們也是推動了人才競爭力方案這集合了八個部會那主要兩個主軸第一個是強化國家人才的競爭力第二個主軸是全球人才那我們希望再來我們同時這裡面比較新的概念是來自於是提升勞動生產力透過數位化那再來是培育我們未來數位競爭力以及國人勞參率那這個裡面呢 |
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這個纜財的部分我們會正在進行修法我們預計公告之後我們就會在協調部會中在公告之後我們就會送立院我們希望能夠擴大我們的這個纜財條件跟國際上的主要競爭者之間可以有一定的競爭力然後我們建立一個比較好的流財的 |
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機構、生態系那因為過去我們發現很多人來了以後呢因為我們的這個生活環境的生態系不夠完整所以我們透過我們雙語政策呢在強化這個部分那再來我們放我們也擴大外國機事人員留才的 |
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的程度那再來是在區域合作的部分我們主要是在做區域治理跟地方民主我們希望建立區域治理沙盒尤其是主題式的區域治理沙盒是應該是國內第一次那這個主題式的就會依據不同的主題比如說海港、山林等等的方式來進行那我們希望透過這樣的方式可以讓地方的發展更好 |
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那也地方有更多的參與能力再來是我們參與這個參與式的公共治理平臺我們現在會積極的持續去推動讓地方青年跟地方的社會都可以共同參與整個公共治理的發展 |
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那另外我們會希望建立一個地方創生藍帶就進入我們新世代的地方創生地方創生過去是以廠家為主我們現在希望想要串聯這個廠家變成一個數大辨識美的力量那同時透過這個數大辨識美的力量能夠去建立在地品牌同時結合企業的資源進入這個協助地方的發展能夠更完整 |
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那我們在負責我們的中興新村部分我們也依據原規劃在北核心做歷史文化區的發展中核心是休閒生活區的發展我們現在正在持續做這兩塊的優化那同時在南核心我們就以中興大學合作那進行發展那在歷史文化區我們在一些空置的部分呢我們現在是提供做創新 |
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創業的團隊尤其是地方創生團隊進駐的廠家現在是非常多那另外我們進一步會希望引進數位牧民進到這個領域然後也跟地方做充分的結合 |
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那在花東的部分我們負責發動離展條例我們現在進到花蓮台東的第4期那第4期的話花蓮提出的第4期中華發展方案的願景是智慧花蓮有機慢活台東推出來是推動慢經濟、綻放台東南那目前我們都已核定所以再積極的協助在地的發展那尤其在觀光、醫療、原住民文化、救災 |
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以及交通我們補助的比較多那再來是在0403地震之後呢我們也提供了受災戶的融資保證那也協助了食材業者的災後的清運那再來是我們也協助了振興這個花東觀光以及補助了花東航班 |
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在離島的部分我們還是依據離島建設條例進入到第6期各島都有做法比較大的亮點是澎湖的石滬的維護以及在澎湖連江的島際海運的補貼跟金門醫療的補助跟琉球海洋生態保育還有離島遠距離島的強化 |
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那我們另外在12項淨零方案裡面本會被分到的是不遺落任何人的淨零公正轉型那這些公正轉型我們大概舉個例子大概是比如說推動電動車可能會對計車行的影響或者是我們在太陽光電下面我們對農民的影響那我們都在積極的協助他們 |
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克服或者是給予一定的補助那目前我們今年的主軸會以事前的防禦為主就是我們在協助各部會在事前的計畫編列裡面就做好它的風險評估跟這個風險的縮減的計畫然後呢難以縮減難以減少的部分再移到本會來處理所以我們會由預防的角度到事後協助的角度我們會同時進行 |
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那我們在開放國家的方案我們也是會持續在多元增給部分跟提案的部分還有我們承諾的部分都會進行強化 |
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另外在這個推動智慧管理就是我們在公共建設我們一年大概有8000億那我們現在透過預警制度就是從過去是看事後的結果我們現在開始進行智慧管理系統在預警事前的管理那這個管理的部分目前下來我們撞了兩年下來都可以把我們的執行率達到95%以上那今年預計也會在95%以上 |
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那另外再一次我們在法令鬆綁的部分我們也是推動了開放平台給大家提案那我們在106年到103年我們大概累計到現在已經有1982個提案成果那另外我們對於歐 |
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這個歐、美、日、紐、澳的商會提出了白皮書我們協助這個整合各部會跟這些商會進行溝通協助這些國家的商會能夠在臺灣可以做得比較好促進雙方的友誼所以這個部分跟經貿的往來所以這部分我們也提供了這個1,121項建言的協調跟這個回應 |
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那再來是我們的這個部會的公共參與平台裡面我們目前大概也這個實施了大概163個公眾建議那事實上提案呢超過19000多個那經過5000人的提名下來有300多個案子那裡面被挑選執行的是163個那執行效果還不錯那目前公告上網看的人數也達到了962萬人次 |
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那最後是我們的國家檔案館我們國家檔案館會在明年目前我們國家全國第一座國家檔案館在林口那目前的施工進度達到94.88%所以預計明年的年底就會正式啟用那會成為一個屬於國際級的一個檔案管理中心那 |
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那最後這個這個謝謝這個立法院這個對我們的支持我們相信在未來的會務的處理跟執事上我們都可以這個彼此合作呢讓臺灣可以邁向更好更榮耀的未來那這是我對本會的報告那接下來是那個新創跟中小企業扶植政策也是由主委報告嗎還是對對對好請繼續好那我們就 |
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再來我們可能要切換過來我就繼續把它報告完這個好那接下來我們進行對政府就是我們對新創及中小企業扶植政策執行狀況與未來精進的措施進行做專題報告 |
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我們在新創事業裡面我們希望打造一個創新創業的雨林生態系這個生態系我們大概會提供充裕的資金我們希望一年能夠達到1500億台幣的規模然後我們在創新人才跟法規上面我們要進行適度的鬆綁跟改善同時協助我們新創事業能夠拓展到海外市場 |
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那因為台灣是一個島國我們的市場一定在全世界那目前台灣的成就也是來自於對世界的影響力那我們在提供這個新創充裕資金的部分我們目前國發基金的投資在新創的部分呢 |
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我們有創業天使投資方案提供了38億天使人投資機構我們透過VC去協助的有110億所以這邊我們提供了148億給天使團隊那同時對於新創團隊的部分比較成熟一點的新創團隊我們在 |
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也投資了這個中小企業實施方案由經濟部來協助同時我們也跟民間合作大概100億這個合起來呢我們這邊有200億所以也將近348億是在提供到青年上面那另外呢我們這是現況我們待會會說明我們未來會再增加的部分在什麼地方 |
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那另外我們對青年創業貸款我們也有一個方案是從優從簡從速我目前也核保了這個10.8萬件每個案件那融資協助融資也達到了895億那另外是我們擴大這個新創的出場那我們協助他們進入新創版那目前有19家已經登錄進新創版那比較有名的是像GoGo Look這種 |
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那另外在充裕創新人才跟完善環境上面我們第一個是提供的就業金卡很多創業者跟尤其是創業共識的老闆這個其實申請的就業金卡數量是比較多的 |
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那這樣有助於他們來台創業那同時我們產狀條例提供租稅又是鼓勵企業投資天使我們希望創造CVC的投資環境我們最近也會希望籌組這樣的協會協助CVC擴大這個更大的投資量能進到市場上那我們對企業併購法我們也開始有一些鬆綁那也協助了 |
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大家到海外去參加培訓那我們也合作了很多史丹佛大學也好或者是伯克萊也好或者是這個新創機構的這個Dropper那舉個例子我們臺灣的精創生拓我們在兩年前就得到了Mint的Dropper第五季全球的冠軍那這個也是透過伯克萊的協助那我們 |
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這家公司在去年也得到了Sushi Tech2024年全球前7強這是東京市政府辦的一個新創比賽所以臺灣的企業現在開始在我們前陣子在日本我們也帶他們去參加了日本的活動讓他們去邁向全球 |
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我想這個左下角的照片就是我們在數據Tag跟日台創新官方會員裡面所展現出來的結果那我們大概今年有46家廠商到日本去開拓自己的市場當然是效果非常好也得到了包括NHK的媒體都有報導 |
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那另外在這個創新創新未來的雨林生態系裡面我們會做三件事情第一個是我們要活絡投資生態圈然後擴大投資標的然後提升創新的創業的成功機率就是我們讓優質的被投資標的變多那投資量才會跟著起來 |
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那我們首先在如何活絡投資生態系我們原有的生態系大概是有800多億我們希望今年能夠我們今年應該已經把它拉到了1200億的規模去那這樣的做法主要是希望透過幾個方式第一個是主題式的投資我們曾透過速發部的匡列了100億去做這個AI的投資 |
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我們透過文化部進行文創的投資也是跨越100億我們未來會正在進行大健康的部分希望協助醫療機構的創新創業增加收入我們也同時會跟環境部正在協商綠色成長基金協助綠色成長產業能夠擴大那這種主題式的不斷的擴大就會 |
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讓我們的投資量能變大．而且由各部會協助我們推動再來是推動地方創生的部分．我們也會長化區域發展．這個部分我們也會融入到這裡面來那另外就是我們鼓勵企業．跟機構的投資．所以我們會串聯CBC．讓Corporate的VC．也加入到我們VC這個領域裡面 |
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然後同時我們引導保險基金進來希望把這個資金量能變大那同時我們跟學校合作以臺大來講呢我們第一期目標是要募10億目前來講臺大的回饋年底之前應該可以募集到該有的金額 |
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那這個的話是由校友來投資國發基金搭配那由校友來學校來投資學校的研發的結果跟學生的論文甚至對校友投資那在我們也希望更擴一步接下來就會比照日本進行到一個生態系的擴大就是有一個中心學校帶動其他的 |
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私立大學造成一個投資圈也讓企業加入進來這個是未來我們在下一步繼續發展的再來是我們加強國際資金的連接我們最近才跟金入大學簽了MOU我們雙方會互相投資一個基金投資兩個國家彼此之間我們最近其他的大學也開始對台灣來表達他們有興趣合作的意願所以我們也在審慎評估中 |
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所以我們將來這個部分我們在日本在中東歐都會進行很大的發展那接下來我們會往美國發展那另外投資標的物的部分呢我們希望把學校的創業量能給拉大那這個部分呢是我們跟學校合作的最要的目的 |
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第二個是我們會促進企業內部的創新所以我們最近開始去整合產業之間鼓勵產業進行翻轉跟創新的部分這個部分我們也會結合國科會跟經濟部一起來談怎麼樣協助產業 |
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AI化跟AI產業化那同時呢我們串聯這個COBRIC VC合作呢也會帶動這部分的發展那另外是我們開始呢強化我們供應鏈韌性在我們加強投資IC設備跟材料廠商提升我們在這個產業的發展那尤其是這些尤其是這些廠商目前都被國內優質的半導體廠商淬煉到極具國際競爭力甚至已經開始外銷到海外所以我們希望擴大他們的海外行銷量能 |
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為了這個部分也需要足夠的人才,所以我們也開始鎖定海外人才來台創業。我們除了建立了海外辦公室吸引人才進來之外,我們也會吸引數位牧民進來,希望他們在國內創業,協助促進地方的進步。根據最新的國外的一個報導下來,台灣應該是亞洲最適合數位牧民發展的地方。 |
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也是評比全球第12名亞洲第一名那另外我們要提升這個創業成功率的部分呢我們希望建立一個這個新創基地去協助分享這些失敗與成功的經驗讓大家可以趨吉避凶然後走出自己的一條路那同時呢我們會強化商業思維 |
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協助課程也會跟學校合辦課程來讓大家可以的儘早學習到創業所需要的知識跟量能那這樣的話呢再來呢我們建立的橋樑計畫我們希望的打造之間跟海外之間的合作跟經驗的分享與今年來講我們在東京的活動我們就有 |
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而日本的新創跟臺灣的新創共同分享那大家彼此把經驗分享下來互相合作增加成功的機率那這幾個都是我們在新創在發展的部分所走的路線那 |
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所以簡單的講我們在未來的部分我們就會很強化在創新主題式的投資的發展我們提供創業經驗那我們也讓這個我們讓產業能夠有機會更好的發展那這樣的話我相信把標的物做好投資量能成功率提升把數量衝出來以國內充沛的資金來講一千一年一千百億是 |
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應該是沒有問題的我們也很有信心達到這樣的目標也希望能夠協助年輕人一起共同為國家開創未來的產業跟發展這是我們以上的報告謝謝 |
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謝謝你這個國會留主委報告你書片資料跟你簡報資料我看起來書片資料是比較比較簡要是不是可以提供你的簡報資料給我們議會的委員是的那今天主題是這個新創跟中小企業新創我一直強調說經濟委員會大部分委員來自這個中南部那你新創的扶植新創的基地全部集中在北部 |
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對於新創產業在南部包括是嘉義、高雄、台南都沒有任何的協助這部分為什麼我報告希望你們針對區域平衡、政策、人才、法律、稅制要怎麼樣用稅制的誘因怎麼樣提供比較充沛的資金區域平衡不要說這個所有的新創都集中在北部我請你們來說明就一家新創都沒有在南部 |
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這是非常不公平的國家資源應該做到區域平衡所以我希望說在等一下這個相關的資料你們未來怎麼樣做到區域平衡資金怎麼去協助新創產業的發展然後法制面怎麼樣去協助稅制面怎麼樣去扶植這些都沒有提到我希望你這個這方面能夠補強另外中小企業你也沒有提到很多中小企業都集中在中北部特別是傳產中小企業中小企業面臨到這個經營上這個國際環境的變化 |
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跟半導體跟AI完全不一樣AI半導體現在是全球最興旺的產業但是呢但是這個中小企業我們苦不堪言傳統的扣件、螺絲、鋼鐵、石化整整都是在中南部所以這些部分 |
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主席會講一下為什麼會排這個議審那謝謝這個國會主委等一下也許有機會會跟這個主席報告那那個現在我要確駕一下議事錄現在在場人數已達法定人數在場委員我們對上次議事錄是有無錯誤我們決定上次會議議事錄 |
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接下來請這個經濟部市長何建昌市長就今天所提的報告事項進行報告主席、各位委員承蒙貴委員會邀請就新創及中小企業扶植的政策這個主題來進行報告那進行各位委員不吝指教 |
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那我想臺灣中小企業是經濟發展的這個磐石也是社會安定的一個力量那目前中小企業有超過163萬家創造就業913萬人那另外新創在臺灣整個產業創新驅動的整個經濟模式上 |
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半年非常重要的一個角色那依據這個統計數據顯示目前臺灣的這個新創大約有7900家本部希望能夠運用新創的創新的技術來協助國內傳統產業及中小企業能夠達到升級轉型的目標那以下本部將針對政策、人才、法制、稅制、資金及區域平衡等六個面向來進行說明 |
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先就政策面的部分在國際供應鏈重組淨零排放的要求數位轉型浪潮挑戰下為協助中小企業來接軌國際本部透過數位轉型淨零碳排及創新加值策略在數位轉型上鼓勵中小企業運用雲端數位工具在淨零碳排上普及中小企業減碳思維與行動 |
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在創新價值上以研發聯盟及補助的方式來協助中小企業聯結產學員那為協助新創企業成長茁壯本部在政策上也提供新創的融資貸款然後益助新創的投資動能 |
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持續營造有利於新創發展的租稅環境．並且連結中大型企業跟國營事業．鼓勵新創提出解決方案．並且強化政府和民間的協作．擴大解決方案的場域驗證以及應用．來協助新創布局重要的國際市場 |
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在人才面的部分為協助中小企業因應數位及淨零的趨勢本部已經辦理了許多的智慧化及低檔化的課程至110年起已經辦理了1327個班次結訓了學院超過46000多人次 |
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此外．從105年開始．我們也推動IPAS的能力的鑑定．目前已經有治安、機器學習．智慧生產、物聯網等20項的能力鑑定．累積培育2萬多名的．能力合格的產業專業人才．那為協助國際淨零的趨勢．也在113年推出了淨零．的規劃管理師的能力鑑定．培育超過4500名的低碳專業人才． |
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那另外針對具潛力的新創事業跟科研的團隊我們也有一些相關的培育的課程那這個課程包括新創募資及簡報的技巧的課程另外也提供新創商業計畫實戰的一個演練那引進國際的業師輔導以及商業概念驗證的方式來加速培育新創 |
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引運及拓展海外市場的能力那從108年期間已經累計培育了524家的新創及732位的創業家在法制面上中小企業也面臨到升級轉型的挑戰所以需要持續提供創新研發跟智慧財產權流通的租稅優惠那另外今年大院也通過修正中小企業發展條例的部分條文的修正修正的重點包括中小企業投資抵減納入有限合夥 |
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為適用對象那制裁權的作價入股、緩客措施延長適用徵雇員工及加薪租稅優惠均刪除景氣啟動的門檻以及提高減除率並優化適用的對象另外產業創新條例第十之一條也提供中小企業購置 |
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智慧、機械、5G及資安設備或技術投資體檢另外為了要鼓勵更多的資金來益助新創事業．帶動國內投資動能及產業的轉型產創條例第23條之一對有限合夥創投事業．投資新創事業提供穿透式的租稅優惠第23之2條 |
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提供天使投資人投資高風險新創事業．可以享受個人稅賦的優惠．營造新創友善的一個募資環境那在稅制面的部分威力中小企業聘僱人才及提升員工的薪資中小企業發展條例的這個修正這次的修正也維持徵僱24歲以下及增加納入65歲以上本國籍基層的一個員工薪資費用減除率均適用 |
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200%員工加薪租稅的優惠將加薪新制的費用減除率由130%提高為175%此外中小企業當年度來購置智慧機械、5G及資安設備或技術達到100萬以上10億元以下得就投資金額5%當年度的投資金額5%或未來3年內3%申請抵檢、應納、營所稅的稅額 |
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來減輕中小企業的負擔為引導創投資金投資國內的新創本部也針對有限合夥創投的事業提供投資新創事業相關的出稅優惠至106年迄今促成有限合夥創投事業投資新創的金額達到26.9億元 |
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另外也透過國內創業鼓勵個人投資高風險的新創事業個人天使投資人以現金投資新創事業達 |
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一百萬元並持有股份滿兩年得以投資金額百分之五十扣抵個人綜合所得稅總額扣抵金額最高可以達三百萬元自一百零六年迄今也有兩百六十六家的新創受惠那在資金面的部分我們也透過融資跟投資的部分來協助中小企業取得資金在融資的部分我們協助中小企業跟新創事業朝地攤化跟智慧化轉型 |
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提供最低八成的信用保證以及低利貸款跟利息補貼．並額外提供保證融資額度最高一億元的優惠至112年期間已經辦理了一萬八千多件協助融資金額兩千六百十九億另外我們也推動青年創業貸款對於貸款金額一百萬以下的新貸案 |
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以從優、從簡、從素的方式提供信保金最高10成的保證那輕重貸款自109年期間已經辦理了10萬8900多件融資金額達到895億元那就投資的部分 |
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本部推動加強投資中小企業實施方案第二集．運用國家基金匡列的100億元．來跟民間投資人做搭配．共同投資具發展潛力的中小及新創企業．自112年10月開辦．至今已經累積投資19家的．具發展潛力的中小及新創事業．投資金額達5.47億元 |
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那在區域平衡的部分那目前台灣在中南部也有144家的創意機構同時本部也補助了許多創意機構在中部跟南部地區協助中南部地區強化新創的事業那本部也選定了雅灣新創園作為 |
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新創前進東南亞的培訓基地．並與微軟、Google跟AWS國際新創加速器合作．輔導534家新創促成18億的投資．另外政府也加強與國營事業．以及日月光、西門子等大型企業．跟新創來共創 |
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依據這個臺灣新創資訊平臺的這個統計中南部新創的新創家數至106年的1100家成長到目前的2000家成長1.8倍那每年獲投資的金額也從108年的44億增加到112年的139.7億元那另外政府也定期邀集 |
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機械、工具機及手工具等中部地區相關產業工協會進行議題的交流．來協助中部地區產業升級轉型．並再加以打造無人機的這個產業聚落那國發會、數位發展部、交通部、文化部以及經管會等也跟經濟部共同 |
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來執行亞灣2.0的一個方案以南部作為智慧科技多元發展的場域促成5G、AIoT、IC設計、數位內容、金融科技、影視等產業以及應用落地另外國際晶片大廠輝達已經在高雄設立超級電腦而美商超微也將於臺南設立研發據點相信藉由政府與民間積極投資將有效均衡產業的發展 |
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最後在未來經濟的做法上本部提出幾項說明第一推動中小企業多元振興發展的計畫我們會加大力道來持續推動中小企業數位轉型、淨零轉型以及通路的發展策略並提供普惠、貸款及租稅優惠等配套措施來建立企業單一服務的窗口促進中小企業的持續發展 |
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第二、配合亞灣3.0營造新創的雨林,持續益助新創的投資動能．來強化投資新創的誘因．培養創新創業科技人才．同時強化新創跟產業共創合作．加速新創解決方案實證的應用．擴大智慧解決方案的輸出．並鏈結國際策略合作的夥伴．加速新創進入國際供應鏈 |
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第三、四年培育20萬名的AI人才．為協助產業導入AI應用．本部跟微軟及人工智慧學校合作．共同訂立公版的教材．培訓製造業、商業服務業．以及國際商業貿易等各領域的AI人才．同時協助AI人才取得的認證另外最後一項產業創新條例的修正那修正 |
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產業創新條例10-1條設備的投資體檢增訂企業構置人工智慧與節能減碳等設備或技術﹐也可以適用租稅優惠來協助產業加速雙手轉型因應整個全球氣候的變遷、數位轉型以及地緣政治對全球供應鏈加速重組的影響政府將持續完善法規並加大資金及人力資源的投入與民間攜手合作協助中小企業提升韌性 |
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與競爭力．並積極協助拓展國際市場以上報告進行指教謝謝各位委員好,謝謝經濟部何市長的報告今天出席的包括國家發展委員會、劉組委跟張副組委以及各處的處長、辦管局林秋燕局長以及各處科室主任那國發會、國發基金王子密經濟部的部分由何信章正次然後 |
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產業司跟中小企業署跟產業發展署三位署長都有列席出席好現在我們要進行詢答委員詢答諮詢之前願意做一下宣告每位委員發言時間本會員6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘意思就是不能超過8分鐘 |
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非本位委員4分鐘上午10點30分即時發言登記是為了要讓會議進行的順利以及發言時間的公平性以及不要影響到下位委員的發言權益請發言委員在諮詢的時候控制一下發言時間發言時間到主席會 |
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會請這個發言委員不要繼續再質詢以上第一位我們請呃陳廷輝委員呃謝謝主席齁我們請國發會的處委請國外留主委還有我們次長經濟部次長來經濟部何次長 |
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我想會把兩位邀請上來首先就是針對我們的新創產業還有扶植中小企業其實我比較重視的是我們台南的產業新創產業剛剛我們主席有說南部真的讓大家感受到的是剛剛所報告的資料這麼多可是如果資料列舉出來可能重心都在中北部 |
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那中南部會相對的失掉很多的機會因為在比較當中所以我要拜託就說會診一下把台南的扶植的新創產業還有台南的扶植中小企業是不是可以送一份報告到我的辦公室 |
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因為如果沒有這樣子要求你們把每一個地方區塊出來可能你們看到的是CPI認為說有啊我都有把錢發出去啊我都有把錢運用出去啊可是實質上並沒有均衡 |
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這是很重要的也是每次我們在質詢我們希望不論是國發會不論是經濟部當我們在扶植中小企業或是新創產業或是我們的國發基金我們在運用的時候我們是不是可以把眼睛放在中南部 |
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尤其臺南有很多是隱形產業,這些隱形產業都是靠自己苦幹實幹,一步一腳印,辛辛苦苦從過去,你覺得聽過他們說,過去在手頂端的時候,是自己站在腳上嗎? |
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當時可能他們連一句英文都不會講可是他們就這樣拼出來但是當他們把成績拿回來之後創造我們台灣經濟的產值我們卻是在這關鍵的時刻在轉型的時候常常忘了他們 |
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這就是我們現在在我們台南很多隱形產業他們的心聲所以我們要拜託當我們有這麼多量能剛剛所唸出來的所列舉出來的我們的經費有我們預算有可是我們要問的是給了我們台南多少給了我們台南的新創產業還有中小企業多少 |
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這個還是我們要的所以拜託我們的主委還有我們的次長麻煩把我們台南被扶植的新創產業還有中小企業一份資料給我辦公室好的委員我們會做那您剛才提的心聲我們也聽到了我想我們會做一系列的讓南部可以感受到我們政府的誠意跟努力起碼資訊要對腾 |
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資訊的公開而且得到的第一手一定要大家是同一時間同一個平台否則每一次當台南接到的時候永遠就是北部已經申請了、中部已經申請了等到我們要提出申請,不會啊因為我們的預算是有限的都是他們申請完 |
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然後我們提出申請來不及了已經被申請一空這個是非常要不得的這個再拜託主委跟我們的次長那我要再請教我們的這個主委沙崙AI產業園區 |
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這個部分其實我們知道現在在我們的沙崙我們結合了資安智慧科技研發大樓綠能科技示範場域中央研究院南部院區周邊半導體的S廊帶甚至還結合了南科管理局負責的嘉義橋頭屏東等等的園區智慧複合樓群可是 |
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我們現在希望他能夠成為大南方的AI產業發展基地但是我們試問這個是結合國發會國發會是一開始的know-how可是現在丟出去的是由我們的國科會、經濟部、數位部對不對一開始know-how是我們 |
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是的,我們進行規劃對,規劃是我們可是現在丟出去我們現在座落在國科、經濟、數位360億預計智慧、科技、大南方、產業、生態推動方案整個360億那我要試問諸位請問國科會跟經濟部跟數位部誰當leader? |
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誰當Leader來整合360億沒有Leader整合各自為政編列到各地方編列到各部會之後請問他的量能跟管控誰來組長主委你們有沒有思考到這一點 |
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我覺得您提了一個很好的點我這邊我們會來針對這幾個大的開發案S兩代的大開發案我們可能會來考慮一下一個機制也許我們會定期集合各部會來做檢討主委那我們目前是研考會是我們的管考會有在做例行性的管理管考跟平台之間互相的聯繫互相的整合對 |
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其實一個重要的計畫重點是在整合不是各自為政如果各自為政做出來的會變世不像有這些預算但是沒有辦法發揮充分的效力 |
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這是我們擔心的所以主委這個部分沙崙AI產業園區如何能夠擴展到智慧科技大南方產業生態系推動這是我們的重點也是我們的關鍵還有後壁蘭花園區也就是現在花卉產業創新園區這個都是我們的公建計畫 |
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我們的工建計畫目前都還在由農業部現在行政院退回農業部請他救園區的人力因為有可能會有機關編制的調整所以這個部分都是我們在未來工建計畫非常重要的那速度呢?時間呢?進度呢?這個是由誰在掌控? |
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目前這個的話是要願送到我們國安會我們才會進行審核啦對啊已經審核啦但是審核之後現在又退回行政院行政院又退回農業部啊對沒錯就是您講的就是對於人力的部分是啊那誰在掌控這個時間點我們空有公建計畫結果每一次我們問進度的時候有!現在行政院有!現在退到農業部 |
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重點是誰在追這個進度再來還有案內隱事隱成這個也是啊案內隱成也是啊我們現在計畫都很大重點是誰在追進度沒有 |
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每次我們電話一打聯絡的時候然後A推B、B推C然後最後就是還在盒背當中其實合理的話應該是由提案的單位他自己要把整個進度都要掌握得很好才對他沒有辦法因為他送上去之後只能苦苦 |
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等著你們的時間所以主委我會提出這個部分就是說未來我們有很多的公建計畫未來我們很多大型的建設我們希望一定要有一個所謂監督者掌控者主委這個部分再麻煩一下謝謝謝謝委員謝謝沈廷輝委員請回座下位諮詢請林大華委員 |
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主委好這個幾個問題本席針對高鐵偏鄉、隧道都接不到訊息特別在我們高雄的輕軌、捷運、偏鄉更是收不到訊息那到底政府您一直講說你要推動5G你的預算現在是執行的狀況本席就是今天跟你討論這個重點 |
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而且這個國產5G基站的補助是不是淪為泡影呢?第一個問題主委為什麼我們要推動5G呢?這主要是為了通訊的進步跟時代的需求尤其是5G主要是它的訊號比較穩定而且它的lag時間非常短對什麼有益? |
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他主要是 最主要的 任哪些產業有益 任哪些領域有益好 就是不允許有lag跟失誤的 像譬如說醫療產業的 遠距醫療 或者是在重要的這個通訊上面 這些都是很重要的 尤其是對產業的升級 對產業的這個AI智慧化有沒有幫忙 |
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整個5G跟5G的一個環境他會有一定程度的協助當然協助是必要對我要解決地獄行人地獄有沒有可以根本的解決呢 |
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5G這個是會有一定協助但是他的建制因為比較主要是他的波比較短所以他建制量會比較大就是關鍵到說你要不要推5G啊好既然你說5G對產業5G對我們這個行人地域可以有根本解決的方案好那我們看我們怎麼推 |
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好本席在3月6號的時候有一些質詢那也發現到國發會作業是非常積極但是我們還是等不到真5G在我們NCC當中跟部署發布的編列預算是非常積極但是要求品質是非常的消極簡單講 |
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我們花了多少錢5G整個公建這個4年計劃分兩期101到100到101這錢110跟111、112跟113那110跟111我們就是做什麼事情要花了 |
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我們總共編224.4億好現在呢到去年為止花了187億那您認為有花到真5G嗎我讓你知道沒有對在部分地區現在是5G有5G但是部分地區現在看起來還是沒有是假5G是在4G的模擬系統我們認定它為5G是嗎 |
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也就是我們的這個DSS的系統這是4G的虛擬系統的4G的系統然後呢我們變成說它是5G可是真的5G的國產你要達到產業的申請你都要解決行人地獄你的5G叫真5G是要在歐元的情況之下好所以主委你現在在收爛攤子 |
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你的124.4億到去年已經花了187億我們做到現在人民所檢視的就是說我的捷運、高鐵、隧道部分的偏鄉為什麼訊號還是不穩定還是出現網路斷訊呢如果我已經花了200我已經花了187億了要建置5G了理論上我的高鐵、隧道這是最普及人民、全國老百姓最在意的 |
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好那呢這邊呢今年呢就剩下了67.44億好主委您看一下這222.4億你花了187億要作為做到真5G可是你們沒有你們是在假在4G的系統之下去做泛5G的系統可是偏偏的我這個泛5G的系統真的要做5G的時候歐元的時候是嫁接不上的這句話你認同嗎 |
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目前的確是有改善空間我自己自己有體會不是改善空間是根本沒有辦法你的是根本沒有辦法嫁接主委你的認知這個你要很清楚如果還有改善表示技術上是可以調整事實上是不行的5G的Oren是要真的系統你的222.4億你之前180億不是要去補助那個這個所謂的4G系統的 |
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是要補助整個完整的建制這就是國內的電信政策錯誤的選擇嘛我們選擇了YMES導致了整個3G、4G國產的崩盤現在就看5G我能不能國產或者我們在5G照這樣你沒有趕快的調整政策方向的話那表示你現在補助的剩下的67.44億的目標是什麼是促進國產品牌欸 |
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我的國產真的能夠做到真5G喔能夠去執行all run喔可是根本沒有辦法加捐你的4G的系統喔所以你的67.44億理論上你花不出去你沒有辦法核銷的主委 |
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這我還針對還正式的去做這個所知我4月8號還做了所知你們說呢這個現在112年跟113年的政策目標5G是要推廠國產品牌然後我再問4月24號我再問然後你們回答了國產5G微型左下角主委看清楚你們回答了國產5G微型基地現在在尚未支援DSS表示你5G微型是根本沒有辦法嫁接的所以你67.4G是不能執行的 |
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好本期具體要求 |
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下一頁我具體要求就是針對你現在67.44億本席要求你們先在協調速發部跟信息優化所有高鐵沿線我不要暫停沿線跟捷運偏鄉尤其是我高雄捷運高雄偏鄉這些都是路線老化訊息不良我要講的是非暫停一定要是沿線的訊號一個月提出具體時程針對這67.41本席了解你已經花了一半就這一半 |
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來解決我高雄的捷運的沿線跟這個高雄的偏鄉以及你整個高鐵從北到南、從南到北都足夠一個月提出具體執政可以嗎?可以啊好 那我們也正式的您提出來之後我們就正式的辦會刊好 那就謝謝您希望在一個月後那您的質詢希望能夠公告國人好 謝謝謝謝林大夫委員下一位質詢請邱毅英委員 |
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好謝謝主席我先請一下經濟部次長請何市長 |
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委員好市長這個我想颱風剛過那我還是要先請教您一下這個山陀而颱風造成高雄大概超過15萬戶的停電我想大概你們經濟部也應該有全程掌控那首先我還是要表達對於台電的所有的工作同仁這三天以來不眠不休啊到今天早上到剛剛為止還在大樹還在修補最後零星的幾戶 |
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次長您看一下這個是這一次臺電跨區搶修的工作大寮臨源算是這一次停電受創最嚴重的地區那當然總統這個昨天到了金山萬里去勘栽那媒體的報導說總統說電器購買跟貸款最高補助50萬元 |
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所以很多人就想說為什麼金山萬里可以補助電器那我們高雄這一次風災受損也嚴重為什麼沒有這個相對剝奪感是很重的那到底這個補助是怎麼來的因為現在還有一些消息說連家具都可以補助 |
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連鐵卷門都可以補助連鋁門窗都可以補助真的是這樣嗎可是我上了你們經濟部的網站去看這個補助內容跟過去的災後的補助是一樣的嘛而且那個補助是最高是50萬所以你每一個品項都有它的補助最高上限 |
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其實你們是不是希望趁這個時候把一些老舊的電器汰換換成節能的可是這樣的簡短的談話其實就會造成很大很大的誤解啊次長我請教你我剛剛舉的那些例子有哪些地方是不對的你可不可以利用這個時間完整或者是簡單清楚的說明 |
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好 謝謝委員那這個這次的補助分兩個部分一個部分就貸款的補助那貸款的補助大概就是我們會比照楷米台風那就是針對小微企業、中小企業以及有稅級登記的這個企業最高補助50萬然後補貼這個利息全額半年 |
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所以這個是第一項利息補貼的部分那第二項就是剛剛委員垂詢的就是一些家電的補助這應該是精準講應該是節能的補助節能設備的補助那其實我們知道高雄很多的商圈也受到影響我們其實都有把它納進來好 次長如果是這樣我覺得我希望經濟部能夠再發一些更精準的 |
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文字或者是圖卡包括給各縣市政府包括高雄市政府都必須要有這樣的精準的訊息提供另外你們剛剛講到的這些補助都是補助給商圈但是有很多的受災戶其實是一般的民眾 |
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比如說像在大寮我們到昨天下午一直還在協調大寮還有很多人是停電而且是停電大概超過48小時以上如果對於這些家戶因為停電所造成的不便或損失是不是經濟部也能夠研議給他們有一些減免不管是電費或者是其他的這一些稅制上的減免這個是不是能夠請經濟部下去研議 |
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好 我們再來研究一下好 這個我在這邊也是具體建議啦那請次長您把這個帶回去讓經濟部去做研議好嗎好 那我接下來請國發會請國發會就位 |
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來 主委 這個剛剛您談到很多未來的這個發展的這些契機國發會在8月份的景氣燈號再亮紅燈你們說的分數大概39分是逼近了新高但是我覺得台灣現在大家都一直在關注AI產業包括主委你們談的內容很多都是跟AI相關的但是台灣應該不只AI我們要關注的地方也不只AI |
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公總發表2024白皮書認為產業失衡加劇,現在有比過去他們一直在講缺水缺電更嚴重的問題就是缺工缺人才我們剛剛講到台電的維修,其實台電也嚴重短缺維修的人力 |
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這個都是不爭的事實當然國發會一直在談到這個外補人力主委您看一下這個是也是勞動部發表的今年10月底還比7月底的人力需求竟增加5.6萬人10月就比7月還要增加5.6萬人請問這些人力從哪裡來 |
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主委你們有沒有跟勞動部討論過或者是說國發會有沒有一套策略勞動部我們在我們的定期的這個會議裡面勞動部會負責在主要是勞工的部分那是因為是以他為主政單位我們只有在那個會議裡面做檢疫的溝通並沒有談那麼細 |
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這個我覺得是這樣啦國發會其實很多東西是主導國家發展所以比如說剛剛陳寗飛委員問到你們問到您的那個問題誰要來主責當然是國發會要主責啊結果你說叫提案的單位來主責我現在就問你嘛人力短缺的問題整個人力配置的規劃 |
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當然也是國發會要來主責啊勞動部是依照這個現實的發展各產業的需求去釋放但是整體人力的配置規劃這當然是國發會要來主責是的 整體是由我們在在規劃沒有錯這個講到中階人力 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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這一些人要從哪裡來?人要從哪裡補?你們現在提到的有一些部分說比如說靠大專院校梅和喬外申從事中間的工作或者是這些移工讓他久用服務 |
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但是主委我還是看不出你現階段我們能夠多久之內補足這些人力這個當然是這個所謂的外國專業人才的纜財僱用辦法我們推了這麼多年現在也不過才五萬多人那 |
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這個國發會說2028年要增加到12萬人是2028年增加12萬人呢還是從以前到2028年累計要有12萬人 |
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就是從現在開始2024年到2028年要有12萬人要有12萬嘛,好,4年之內要有12萬那4年之內如何有12萬你這個是全球精英喔,就是這個專業人才喔但是我跟您談到如果再加上剛剛的這些中階技術人力短缺的部分加起來所需要的人力比其實是相對多的 |
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國發會應該要擔起責任去做所謂的人力短缺、缺工缺財的這一些整體勞動力的配置主委您同意我的建議嗎 |
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整體配置的確是你不能讓勞動部一個人去決定他營造業要放多少人服務業要放多少人教育要放多少人所以我覺得你們應該把這個整合起來針對台灣整體的缺工 |
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缺財的問題做一個整體性的盤點主席已經站起來了這個是我們已經有負起責任在做整體的盤點也包括勞動人口的需求跟利益整體盤點包括整個政策上面應該如何放寬跟落實好不好這個有機會我們再詳談這個我們可以來往這方向來邱委員感謝邱委員請主委回座下一位 |
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這個秋元委員質詢是本會的楷模這個賴慧榮比照辦理下一位質詢請賴慧榮發言時間8分鐘6加2好謝謝主席請那個經濟部何次長經濟部何次長好次長先請教一下高雄的電力全部恢復了嗎跟委員報告今天的凌晨2點 |
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三十五分左右齁大概整個都已經復電了全數復電了對復電應該這樣講齁就是說可能加護啦齁 |
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好 那個再查清楚啦齁但是我認為其實到了昨天下午的時候我看你們最新的報出來林園、仁武、大寮跟大樹還有818戶啦齁那剛剛次長說清晨已經全部復電但我講的是經過了4天才復電啦齁我認為其實還是有努力的一個空間啦齁 |
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市長有沒有什麼樣的精進的一些方式減少這些人民受停電的一個困擾是當然我們現在去檢討這一次因為是風力非常大這個17級風那許多的電感還有因為路數倒塌去影響到整個 |
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這個電力的供給那所以未來我們也會檢討就是說這個電感是不是要一致或是說可能樹木修剪的部分可能要請地方會不會走向區域朝向地下化的方式來處理地下化的部分因為要考量 |
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考量跟考量幾個因素啦吼那我會請台電我跟那個常議校你看這一次的林園的那個風災17級的強風把電線桿吹斷了吼港區是17但也許他在13、14級不知道但是他可以把一條電桿吹斷那 |
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過去在2017年的時候我們做了一些防災型的一些地下化所以那時候沿海地區我們做了很多包括小港前鎮包括旗津都在做那其實只要做了就會產生比較好的一個效果所以恢復的速度就相當快如果沒有電的話就沒辦法用水水沒辦法進來 |
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沒有電的話 抽水機也無法運作 淹水的風險就增加那所以我真的認為在沿海地區特別是這樣的狀況下的時候 其實要思考防災型的這個地下化颱風幾乎 台灣是每年幾乎都遇到的問題像這樣子 遇到這樣的強台、中台直接進到了台灣進來的時候 那幾乎非常大 |
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那如果這個遇失可能發生的狀況的話我認為其實未來應該在朝這個方向來推過去的時候我們你看到小港醫院旁的超商這個全部掃進去這個超商整個像被炸過一樣包括貨櫃被吹起來我想影片都有看到整個被風吹起來包括這個一個里長的服務處整個全部掀掉這是其中一個很多類似這樣的 |
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這種強風的裝修對地方造成的災害相當那停電如果我們盡量走向地下化的時候可以大幅的減少我希望經濟部今天部長沒有來我希望經濟部回去思考一下重新跟院裡面來報在2017年到2020年的時候 |
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我們有提了一個70億的一個防災型的電纜地下化蘇院長過去在平和公路也做了地下化也很好的一個成效我們希望做防災的角度對沿岸沿海地區受風面大的地區你有注意到幾乎最受創最重的幾乎都是靠海的這邊的第一線在擋那個風的都是這一線這個部分優先來做處理可以嗎 |
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我們就會請台電這邊來研議好不好我請研議啦好不好兩個禮拜內給我一份報告好不好就是說能不能規劃朝這個方向我當然知道台電財務上我也希望在接下來的兩千億的預算支持台電之後該做的事情還是要持續來做好不好過去這2017年到2020年這個我認為70億的成效相當的好我希望持續來做但是做當然以沿海地區就是比較受到第一個受封面最強的 |
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這個有做跟沒做差很多啦這次看從林源大寮整個被折斷我認為那個其實是需要繼續進行的好不好是請兩個禮拜演繹給我一份報告好接下來我想請一下那個國發會好嗎那個主委國發會的主委這一次的部分其實重創啦17級的強風台灣大概也是創了有史以來的紀錄高雄港有沒有什麼樣的專案的重建或者是對人民的專案的補助計畫會來推動的 |
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呃 |
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因為過去這部分都會我們都會有這個我這樣好了我直接建議主委因為這一次地方政府其實受創很重包括現在還有很多的教室甚至很多校舍甚至很多的一些基礎建設受到了很大的影響這個陸續都會出來了那我希望國發會作為整個內閣的小團隊裡面的一個大腦的角色我希望你整體去整理一下思考一下在兩個禮拜內提出來是不是有一個整體性的 |
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硬體的、整體的對於地方政府的協助包括這些的重建的規劃甚至於整個思考每個縣市的補貼方式、補助方式不太一樣兩個禮拜內是不是整體研議一下給我一份報告好嗎?好 這個我我下午會跟院報告好不好 因為現在災情才陸續出來而已因為有些東西受創我今天看了有幾個學校部分現在今天因為學校陸續傳回來了一些 |
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你剛剛我看到這個強風這麼強的狀況屋頂貨櫃連整個都吹掉了所以其實受創甚至有些校園也受到影響我希望做一個整合性的統合的工作就一個專案的部分來做整體的好不好兩個禮拜先跟院長報告一下給我們一份報告跟規劃好嗎 |
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好的好接下來我想要問一下這個剛剛其實我看你的報告裡面明年預估今年基礎產業達到4%我也相當的包括我們現在的出口各方面都表現相好那我想問的是如果我們現在的總預算遲遲無法來付為來審查對這樣的經濟發展會不會產生影響這一定會有一定的影響怎麼樣的影響如果遲遲無法進行的話對於 |
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因為我們各項政策會難以推動如果它延遲的話我們的推動進度也會受到影響那會有什麼樣的重大影響如果遲遲無法進行這些事項的話如果遲遲無法進行的話呢應該是我們所有的計畫都無法實施吧 |
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那所以包括這些經濟成長率等等都可能就不一定能夠達到這樣的目標是嗎對我們就會有困難就會有困難我希望這件事情還是要清楚的跟那個就是說立法院認為還是要進來做審議有意見的該凍結該刪除的可以來討論但是全部把擋住讓整個建設無法來推動我想這不是國家之福了是的謝謝 |
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再來我想請教一下我看到你的報告裡面另外有一個是這個到中歐、中東包括跟中東歐的部分做一些雙邊的合作我看到蔡英文總統這個月份要到捷克去做參訪 |
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我也認為其實在我們裡面如果國家對我們是友善的我們應該更積極來推動就是整體的國家利益是一體的那如果比如說像捷克是一個很好的突破點的時候他對我們非常友善的時候其實我認為在未來經貿上應該有更多的合作讓我們的整個國家的整體是整合在一起發展的主委認同這樣的看法嗎 |
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是的,因為我自己也去,利用暑假期間也去了一趟捷克、立陶宛這些地方的確兩國的關係目前是大家關係非常好,我們都可以見到最高層的也當然一定是非常好,才有可能卸任的總統有辦法用到這樣得到高度的禮遇方式去那我也希望對我們香港友善的國家,我們在經貿上給予更多的合作希望讓兩國之間的情誼更好是,這些都在進行中 |
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最後請教一下日本在今年有宣布的四大金融特區那台灣現在有亞洲資產管理中心高雄現在權利在爭取當中?諸位高雄有沒有機會來爭取到?第一個這個是監管會的權責但是就我了解高雄因為也具備了相當得天獨厚的條件這也在他的選項之一 |
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所以主委大力來促成好不好高雄所具備包括現在所有的一些條件的部分不管是在整個資金包括我們的經濟發展包括所有的其實高雄的雅灣區具備相當好一個條件那東京我們看到日本其實有四個地點在同步在做啦那我認為其實高雄絕對也是一個很適當的一個地點我希望主委大力來協助來支持好嗎好一定好謝謝謝謝財政委員 |
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這個亞洲資產中心在南高雄也可以北高雄也可以啊哎 主委回座 那個市長回座下一位質詢 請張啟凱發言資金6加2請主委叫次長 |
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請劉書偉跟何市長委員早注意告次長電價調漲以後是不是會變成萬物起漲今天通中央新聞是台鐵說因為台鐵喔 |
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因為台電漲了台鐵的電價之後台鐵今年一年阿會增加2.28億的這個預算所以現在漲完之後換台鐵漲人民了這變成一個惡性循環了台電漲台鐵台鐵漲人民我現在請教諸位這對民生會不會很大的一個衝擊而且現在是怎麼樣是國營事業帶頭漲嗎好 注意 |
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這樣人民會不會太苦了人民要剝好幾層皮嗎?電價漲了漲完之後台北先漲現在可能其他國營事業跟著要漲 |
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這人民怎麼辦?就我了解我們分兩個事情來看我們自己在評估因為他這次是有範圍的成長對CPI的影響我們評估下來整個一年期的期間大概是0.2那台鐵的部分台鐵我踩個煞車好不好你這個話已經講好幾次了今天是最新的進度我現在問你 |
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臺鐵因為增加了2.28億的經費預算他現在準備要送到他的22號送到他董事會他把他的臺鐵的票價要漲那這樣人民不就這第一個衝擊到物價對不對人民去搭臺鐵不就是要多付錢了嗎?就我了解臺鐵的漲價他是因為29年沒有漲那這是其中一個因素而已那他因為29年沒有漲所以所以看新聞一下 |
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二十九年當然是一個因素啊那他現在提出去的是把這個新的帳價又把它放進去那你們做個引路,除了你們去爭取這個不要轉嫁到人民身上可不可以,如果照你講的能不能不要轉嫁到人民身上這2.28億我想經濟部在這裡喔,他也許...先講公報啦,這個你去啦我等一下問經濟部,經濟部的國營稅很多嘛,等一下問台水我先講一下齁,台水今年4月1號 |
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長電價以後一年增加多少?5.62億那你現在又漲喔這次台水也是有影響的喔台水會增加3.56億那我現在今天的執行非常清楚 |
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臺電漲了臺鐵,臺鐵不要轉嫁到人民身上來。第二個,一樣,臺水增加了3.56億,也不能漲到人民身上來。主委,我請問你啦,因為交通部嘛,交通部你不就去講,我等一下問經濟部,臺水,還有經濟部主管的國營事業,絕對不能轉嫁到人民身上去,好不好? |
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委員第一個我一定會去轉達給交通部第二個事情我也跟您說明一下這個還是要看台鐵的輸贏人次他如果輸贏人次是兩億的話攤下來是一個人才一塊錢所以還是要看實際的狀況那我還是會去表達從人民的角度去看這個事情人民的合估你台電上了價你還講說沒有衝擊行政院長跟你們都講說沒有衝擊到民生沒有衝擊到物價對不對這沒有衝擊到 |
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我去搭台鐵我就影響到啦怎麼沒有勒這物價不會跟著漲嗎這兩個層面都是衝擊喔我掏錢我本來搭台鐵的因為你漲了電價之後有要多付錢嘛對不對所以這常識嘛對沒問題嘛這常識嘛這邏輯沒問題嘛然後第二個因為國營世界漲了價之後 |
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有沒有帶動物價?怎麼樣影響到民生呢?這個其實還是要看影響的多寡啦那我們自己在看的話在工業部門是2%左右那當然有些多耗電的會到10%那其實它的影響並沒有那麼大啦那尤其它這次有限定範圍嘛所以實際上我想我會去溝通然後看看它到底影響有多大那有必要我會我們會來做一個整合性的溝通部門 |
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這個責任重大,人民會不會繼續太苦下去,要看你了所以你現在一方面是交通部那邊你要溝通所有國營事業,財政部其實都哪有啦那等一下,經濟部這邊,次長在,我在這邊,次長海水,因為這次的挑戰會增加3.56億 |
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那台水應該不會漲價,因為這樣漲價吧?目前台水沒有漲價的規劃沒有齁?是好,那我們今天能不能做一個簡單的一個結論這次台電漲了電價,所有的國營、事業不能夠因為漲了、增加了這個電價轉嫁到人民的身上兩位都要說承諾好不好? |
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兩個都要承諾喔不要過幾天這個馬上見真章喔22號臺電臺鐵如果開了會長的話人民就找你們算帳了立法院找你們算帳阿第二個臺水剛剛次長講的臺水沒起嘛對不對所有經濟部的所有的國營事業若因為臺電漲了電價有增加這個我們到追究責任OK好我們先做這個簡單結論來我來看另外一個來 |
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次長你先請回我問一下那個諸位國發基金啊以前投資都是投資股權結果最近變成有些專案投資啊連影片都投資了我們看一下下一張在111年的時候啊 |
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那時候專案投資電影或者是影片只有兩部投資了3500萬結果到112年的時候一下子跳到多少34部發了國發基金4億7495萬文化是一個國家的根本你要投資文化我沒有意見文化讓一個國家偉大 |
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可是不能夠偏頗國發基金這個投資應該是以這個公司為主對不對盡量少是影片我們看下一張最近有一個引起很大爭議的這是不是又是超市的翻版以小博大之前前8年我們在抗議什麼總資額200萬的小吃店可以取得16.5億的快篩50億的50萬的超市獲得農業部10億的大訂單今天又有一個很離譜的有一家公司啊 |
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他的持收的資本額不達86萬結果從我們國家搬了1.13億的投資包括國發基金都搬出來了 |
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主委這個要好好檢討一下這個我們找文化部檢討過了一次跟您報告一下就是說他過去一次因為投資效益不好的時候他投了很多在專案上面然後呢創造了比較多的投資結果你講的是通案我在講的是這家公司一個持收資本額不到86萬的政府從文化部跟國發基金可以搬1.13億去投資嗎我給你看下一張來這個投資的什麼去拍這個叫做凌日攻擊 |
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我們比一下好不好最近右邊這個臺灣三部曲導演過有名吧魏德勝左邊這個導演雖然也是有名可是跟魏德勝比起來羅景仁羅先生魏德勝以前有海角7號賽德克巴萊你看他這個本來金額多少總經費是45億喔結果國發基金要請國發基金去投資 |
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本來還不願意的後來只投資了三千萬這個一般人的民眾會怎麼看這個事情這兩個當然是投資魏德勝這一邊阿台灣三部曲阿都是以台灣為題材阿這個是常識問題吧一定是右邊嘛為什麼左邊反而更多主委你看凌日攻擊這個被稱為綠色的這個不要說一定是什麼 |
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什麼對民進黨是都好的可是我要問喔兩個對比之下投資台灣的題材為什麼一個零日供給國發基金那些投資4170萬高達16.09%這是到目前為止喔國發基金所有的投資裡面一個片子最多的 |
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這人民不會有意見嗎?好,謝謝委員這個我會找文化部來瞭解主委我問你一個更直接的我問一個最後的問題馬上好馬上好主委我一個最後的問題主委這個影片講的是兩岸戰爭我問你站在國家發展的角度我問在國家發展的角度如果外資要來投資去找了你你願意你敢找外資來看這個片子嗎?最後一句話最後一句話主委站在國家發展的角度 |
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你說我是一個國外的資金要進來對不對我看了這個片子是未來投資還是不投資這個是我們委員會文化部執行的文化創意這是文化創意可是對國家發展你外資就進不來阿因為講是兩岸戰爭阿這個你國發經濟還去投資我在事後跟你報告國發、國發、國發經濟不打自己嘴巴嗎 |
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主委請回座下位質詢請鄭振淺鄭振淺之後休息10分鐘主席我想請一下劉主委劉主委 |
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委員長主委好我想一樣針對國發基金投資的問題繼續往下問因為剛剛張其萊委員他這邊提到說國發基金投資一個特定的一個影片那投這麼多的錢那因為你這邊有特別提到你業報裡面有特別提到說去年我們為國家創造288億的那個獲利那我覺得你也特別提到了說要強化投資管理機制包括 |
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投錢的機制、強化投錢的機制的管理還有投後的一個管理還有強化退場機制的執行都沒有錯嘛這是你在業報裡面很清楚講到的一個部分所以對於你那個投錢的評估的一個狀態尤其像針對剛剛張琦海委員提的那部分先給本席一個很清楚的狀態國發基金當時怎麼樣去做這樣的一個投錢的一個評估好不好 |
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針對剛剛張啟臺委員提的那個案的部分後續也請給本席一個很完整的一個投錢評估的一個分析報告好不好可以可以齁好然後我在這邊問一下齁主委因為國發基金要配合國家產業發展策略嘛投資上的事業計畫都沒有問題那到去年底為止齁大概投資直接投資70家那投資的投入金額大概734億元我想這數字應該也沒有錯啦齁 |
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那我就看到在整個投資先後當中的時候呢那近三年當中呢連續虧損的企業有20家那其中的時候我只看到有5家裡面有詳細的一個評估報告然後這5家裡面呢基本上就是國家基金如果是覺得他投資有些問題的時候應該要特別去關注可是我發現這5家裡面大部分都是破產的解散的、歇業的然後才提出檢討報告 |
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那我就完全失去了事先監督公司改善或提前退場或保障投資這樣的一個可能性所以我想說剩下的15家的部分的時候呢我們是不是國家經濟這邊有一個很詳細的一個評估報告那是不是有持續的一個追蹤各位請主委回答一下 |
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我來了以後我發現我事實上國發基金在投後管理上面是比較被動一點那我們現在其實我們開始正在改善投後管理的部分那我們會在但是這裡面也牽扯一個問題我們現在有1000多個投資案但是我們的人員不到30位目前的人員不到30位那1000多個投資案每年還要處理270多個投資案 |
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直接到我們這裡主委因為你們的業務該怎麼去做其實就是這麼去做要投資這麼多公司一定是要有能力去做投錢的管理跟投後的一個管理那才會去投嘛不可能隨便錢就灑出去因為國發基金不是善財同質所以我看到這裡面這15家裡面呢有兩家變成正常戶其中有一家趙遠我之前有質詢過趙遠就是一個很離譜的一個情況他整個投入之後呢投資兩億 |
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多元進去之後然後虧損到了1.6億元之後然後我們國發基金任列虧損欸?他就變正常戶了那其他還在追蹤列管的部分是比這情況更糟 |
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不是的是這樣因為他已經換成了環球晶的股票被併掉了嘛所以環球晶因為環球晶的營運是正常的所以他才會依據環球晶的現在因為持有是環球晶的股票所以呢他才會列定為正常戶 |
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那我想問一下針對趙遠這個部分的時候我們之後有沒有去追究當時我們在108年決定投入之後的時候呢被拖了一年多才開始有讀懂進駐 |
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當中顯然有很大的一個行政的一個瑕疵請問一下主委有沒有去追蹤這件事情委員您上次有沒有追究他的責任您跟我提了以後我大概有進行了瞭解我們現在做了幾項重大改革第一個就是我們在投資這些企業的時候當時它本身存在它的方向正確但是技能未必是夠所以我們現在增加三個委員做技術評估 |
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還有我們會進行市場口碑評估多三個委員那我想再問一個問題多三個委員來做一些市場的評估可是對於投入、投後之後的管理有沒有真正去落實針對這15家公司包括現在Gogoro股價 |
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有的有的,像剛剛委員我沒講完,其實我們現在針對當時那幾個問題,我們在投資合約裡面也開始明定了 |
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就是說你要能夠讓我直接進入董事會我們才會接受第二個他有一些道德條款還有我們公司治理條款那至於頭後的部分呢我們現在以舉例來講如新我們已經進入一個評估是否要撤出的評估那呃勾勾樓呢我們目前呢是在有開始進行溝通因為我們並沒有我們並沒有董事席次在這裡面但是我們已經在找勾勾樓來討論跟內容那未來我們會找他的 |
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這個接班團隊裡面來看他的未來的問題主委謝謝針對這其他的部分因為還有十幾家追蹤跟列管戶的時候你之後再給本席一個進一步詳細的一個評估報告他們目前的狀態好不好各家的一個狀態因為我接下來我要問的一個情況是大矽谷計劃大矽谷計劃的時候因為在10月1號的時候其實後來行政院合訂通過了 |
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那核定通過了之後呢我就看到整個大細股計畫裡頭就是有很多那我們裡面特別提到了34次的AI這個字眼表示AI肯定很重要那你這邊也用了一個微笑曲線這個概念我先不講這微笑曲線它的內容怎麼樣子 |
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那我直接把它給用了一個雷達圖把它給弄出來你把那幾個元素把它弄出來包括它的AI伺服器包括主機板包括散熱的部分晶圓代工、IC設計還有應用服務的部分整個綜合能力當中我們很清楚看到AI伺服器跟主機板硬體這邊我們台灣是很強的是很強的全球來說是很強的可是在整個AI當中的時候很大一個應用服務我們也提到了台灣只有1% |
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所以我要問的其實是我們大矽谷計畫裡面講到這麼多的AI的部分的時候那我們接下來針對AI應用服務的地方我們有沒有很具體的做法要怎麼樣來培植這一塊 |
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AI應用服務的部分我們現在是會由這個速發部來主政那我這邊因為我過去個人的經驗接觸很深所以我有跟速發部聊過我們會來協助他就我們對產業的認知來做相關的推動 |
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那這裡面最重要是人才跟制度我想我之前也跟委員報告過就是說臺灣現在的制度必須做一定的調整所以我們會來找工會來探討第二個人才的引進的部分我們將來會有兩個方案一個方案是引進進來第二個是設立海外發展組織你這部分之後再給我一個很詳細的部分我們怎麼樣去推來尤其怎麼樣去跟桃園大西湖計畫做結合那我這邊也有另外 |
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一個部分就是我在看到我們就是主委這邊的一個報告針對中小企業的扶植政策裡面這邊有提到一個就是跟台灣大學成立台灣首個校友投資基金這個詳細的內容是怎麼樣子 |
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他是我們主要是希望學校能夠成立基金然後呢讓教授跟這些博士生或是碩士生的研究成果國發基金這邊有沒有投入有沒有參與投入我們投三成校友投資七成這個部分因為坦白說像交大也有一個很完整的一個計劃沒錯沒錯那我們也希望說不要獨厚台大很多學校其實也都需要就是國發基金的一個支持好不好那這之後後續怎麼做也許也可能是一個詳細的做法 |
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然後另外就是有一個針對海外新創基地東京跟矽谷要做他的條件是怎麼樣去成立的還有比方說我們之後要怎麼去運作然後是不是會有第三第四個這個 |
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再給本席一個詳細的書面資料好的然後最後一個就是這裡面因為之前提到是52個產業園區7個科學園區可是合併出來是56個產業園區另外那4個是在哪什麼地方請再給本席詳細資料好的謝謝謝謝曾俊賢委員現在休息10分鐘 |
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進行報告．進行報告．進行報告． |
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欸!是!欸!我這樣沒有用 |
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好,我們現在繼續開會。先為質詢請楊瓊英委員。謝主席,楊瓊英發言。請主委。請留主委。 |
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對 我想我經常說國發會呢是我們國家的心臟跟頭腦非常的重要那因此呢一個國家必要的這個元素也就是那個人民所以今天我要跟你討論的是人口學的政策人口學政策 |
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我們根據呢2023年新生額是135571人比較前一年我們少了3415年以我屬龍的我那一年總共將近41萬人我用這個數據來告訴你我們台灣的 |
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這個出生額已經減少但是我更憂心的一點更憂心的一點也就是我們看到我們的新生額的這個死亡率是年年在上升是年年在上升2022年達到了千分之2.8 |
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那創下了這15年來的最高而且虐兒的這個部分致死兒女的部分我們看到2021年 |
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研究出來告訴我們2011年到2020年5月28號居家保姆於因幼兒的事故傷害我們統計了108筆的案件其中就有109位受害者118位被告那麼其中有69位受傷40位 |
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死亡所以我們看到這樣的一個情況本期要請教國防會主委你就相關橫向的衛福部、教育部、勞動部、內政部、法務部這五個部會你們花了475億的公帑475億來作為社會安全網 |
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那在因誘而事故傷害、死亡的這個新聞頻頻的在發生。諸位,你認為社會安全網的執行成效究竟是如何?請做說明。 |
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成效的好壞要有前後期的比較因為我沒有前期的數字來比較我很難講他本期已經叫數字花了那麼多時間告訴你但是這個內容看起來是的確讓人覺得是比較讓人遺憾的數字這個是 |
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本期再強調一次政府花了475億做社會安全網我再給你一個數字2019年到2023年全台約有12000名的兒童跟少年受虐那換句話說每一年約有20名的未成年人在家中受虐致死 |
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大家都說政府要做我們人民的靠山政府繳了稅金你花了475億做成的這樣子的成效請你告訴我要怎麼樣去保護呢請就說明 |
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這個我並不清楚那470幾億的預算實際內容但是我想這個這個減少售內額的話應該會要從整個社會環境的改善跟預防我想這個也許我們會來請教一下那個相關的部會你現在給我這個回答我真的是非常難過我經常說國發會呢它不是單一單位 |
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他橫向的因為你一個政策下去你必須要去了解你的KPI你達成的成效是什麼你現在告訴我你什麼都不知道我怎麼跟你討論本席再告訴你當時凱凱慘死的時候七年前我們台灣我們的政府你學到了什麼 |
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8216.467 |
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預算下了你學到了什麼我們又看到發育不良的這個招募器的八天餓死高雄女嬰火化他沒有骨灰阿嬤類本所苦了你苦了你在這樣的情況之下10月1號的新聞連這麼重大我們花了475億五個鋪會 |
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8227.506 |
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8251.564 |
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我們都不不清楚不痛不癢這個讓我們怎麼辦我把這個功課給你這五個部會你要發揮你國花會的一個本質一個政策社會安全往下去我們預算下去我們要怎麼樣去做怎麼去追蹤怎麼去改善這也就是為什麼預算要從議我們看不到答案 |
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8257.557 |
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8263.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
你去了解好不好把你的精進方案給我們好不好多久時間可以告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8264.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8290.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
一個月時間吧因為我們可能要去詢問各部分趕快去了解趕快去了解好不好趕快去了解一個月內將你的精進方案給我們好不好因為未來我們要審預算我們不希望只有看到預算下去我們看不到指標我們也不知道你們在做什麼但是社會新聞不斷的在產生這不是一個有為的政府 |
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8291.913 |
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8309.38 |
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應當呈現的,好不好?我們開會看下來,他們都很努力啦!他們都很努力!現在的現象!所以一個月內請將你今天的方案給我們,好不好?接下來本席要請問你,我們的人口統計的資料 |
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8311.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那內政部、勞動部、教育部、主計單位都有各有職長國防會您每兩年一次的人口推估那包括了分析未來人口變動的趨勢今年8月29號你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8328.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8343.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
人口推估的國防會你發出了一個公告說表示配合行政院業務整體規劃有關未來人口出生死亡等推估原定在113年8月30延末到9月30下午4點發布但不到一個月 |
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8347.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8352.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
你的國發會又說了9月24號國發會又貼出了一個公告他寫了推估結果再一次延後到這個月的10月31號下午4點前發布所以我要請教主委一個政府兩年公告一次的你一言再言一言再言到底怎麼回事啊你還會在10月中再告訴我們再延嗎這個問題到底出了什麼問題人口推估的報告對於我們 |
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8378.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8391.119 |
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對於我們優化生養的環境營運整個超高齡的社會充實能力的這一切資源都是非常的重要所以請問什麼時候要公布我們在10月16號國家發展委員會裡面會進行討論之後就會公布 |
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8396.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8421.508 |
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確認你演了兩次什麼原因演原因我跟您報告一下第一次我希望他們瞭解國際的趨勢做一個比較而不是單純好你有作為我也給你認同第二次第二次是我要求他們要有準備答案不要公告數字沒有答案面對人民對哇現任的國防會主任我讚許你沒有資料要怎麼怎麼怎麼去回應所以你打臉打了 |
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8422.614 |
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8444.535 |
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前任的主委的作為我希望我也認同你有作為請你在10月16日開完會也給社會大眾公布這一定會的好最後一個議題我功課給你就好地方創新本席非常非常的堅持113年4月16日你的報告當中國防會辦理清培站的計畫已經兩年我 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8446.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8462.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
所以你累進補助了4億本席一直關心也就是地方創新到目前為止你補助106案那總共只有6案是有產業的模式所以本席希望你要提出你的 |
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8464.551 |
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8489.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
這個績效評估機制本席要請教你什麼時候會提出我們也是會提供書面資料給委員所以這兩年來本席希望把制度做好你把我們可以量化的KPI市場競爭力要把你的制度定出來多久時間可以定出來我們之前的上個禮拜的外包案我就把它停下來我要求他們把KPI定好才能往下 |
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8490.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8515.268 |
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請問什麼時候會公布我兩週內給你兩週內公布我們一起好好的來開創這個地方創新這是我們非常努力一定要做的事情好不好謝謝謝謝楊委員精準的發言來 下一位質詢請張家俊主席我想請劉主委請國會劉主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8520.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8531.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
主委早安那我就直接進入主題因為今天其實有很多委員大家都發言大家的問題其實都關心著國家未來的發展那依據國發會過去的推估2025年65歲以上的長者將會佔總人口數的20%正式成為超高齡社會那因此國發會這個 |
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8546.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8558.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我就是一兩年一度的人口推估獲得各方的重視啊剛才我們的楊委員有問啊但是這個發布的日期喔一再的延後到底是為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8559.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8571.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
因為我希望更負責任的來報告這個數字所以我們進行了多次的內部的會議包括陳時中政務委員我們上禮拜也開了一個跨部會的會議我們16號我們會進入國家發展委員會由各部會首長討論以後我們就會公告因為我們希望我們帶著一些方案跟做法來面對 |
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8582.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8610.008 |
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這就是本席想要在你們開這個會之前也提醒一下主委我抱歉是10月17號的那個國家發展委員會禮拜四那我們國家裡面的這個經濟護長為65歲的這另外一個問題65歲以上的戶數就是高齡家庭的增加現在有半數出現入不敷出的情況就是賺的比花的少高齡家庭的第一位分主 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8610.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8617.696 |
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一百一十六萬戶裡面就是佔了這個高齡家庭有49%那該組可支配的所得只有35萬左右35.62那他的消費支出是39萬點34 |
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8628.547 |
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8645.437 |
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就是39.34元就是每年他要短差將近4萬元3.78萬元那尤其是高齡社會他可能會面臨的突如其來的包括生病啊等等一些支出那所以主計總署有一個高齡家庭的這個CPI指數調查說高齡家庭面臨CPI的漲幅高於其他全體的家庭所以本席建議啊國發會應該把這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8656.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8671.167 |
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反映到行政院院會包括就是我想這個問題包括長照上一次那個主委去我辦公室的時候我也有跟主委建議說引法長照機構也更加應該積極的去建構 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8673.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8698.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那接下來我想要問一下就是主委之前在講的有關於AI技術等等那全世界現況顯示為了對抗暖化跟這個高碳排已經這個而且迎來這個AI的高用電使用核電已經是不可擋的趨勢而台灣呢主委是否認同我們核電機組的年限應該儘速的修法延長呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8701.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8721.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這個目前以我們現在只能這個店基本上因為本身不是國發會主政的但是就我瞭解我想聽聽你的意見國家發展畢竟跟你的這個業務執掌息息相關就我瞭解目前因為沒有任何法令的變動所以核電廠一定會在明年關掉就是在你國發會的這個立場你會不會主張應該要延長呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8726.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8746.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我們目前以國安會的立場我們現在只是從永續的角度發展多元力能因為現在廠家需要R100那他需要綠能那我們希望幫忙廠家找到更多的綠能所以目前我們也協助經濟部在發展地熱或者是氫能源等等的是這些其實都應該並行啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8748.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8753.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
所以上週像上週電價審議委員會決議就是說這個產業用電要漲12.5%那原本有很多AI的巨頭都考慮來臺灣設基地更不用說我們本來的這個護國神山台積電用電量就幾乎是全臺灣的10%了那請問主委就是這個電價調漲之後你原本破壞的這個AI產業架構有沒有什麼影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8775.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8799.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
目前就我了解我們評估下來並沒有太大的影響沒有太大的影響?是的怎麼會?你可以解釋一下嗎?我跟委員報告一下現在像以新加坡來講你要去設一個Data Center要用百分之百的綠電那那個金額都是比我們現在的用電量還要更高那所以它其實在其他國家裡面我們目前還是有GBAD的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8801.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8817.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我完全不能理解說因為據本席理解說這個建制高速運算主機包括這個超級電腦它算力是很重要的但是它是一個吃電的巨獸根據112年度全國電力資源供需報告推過AI科技的用電需求是至117年要增加20萬瓦200萬瓦 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8829.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8848.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
那這個成長是相較於1、2年是8倍所以臺灣的電力發電結構不需要改變就能夠支應這是依據什麼樣道理說你可以支應經濟部次長在這裡也許他可以做我就要問你經濟部我到時候再問經濟部OK我就不曉得說主委你是不是認同說我們國家的這個發電結構應該要改變呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8857.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8868.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
對我來講第一個我看的是電夠不夠所以其實我跟郭部長還有我跟台電董事長我也開過會那我們都一再的要求他們去除了電不夠之外呢電目前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8872.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8884.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
明顯顯示說到時候這個合三機組退役之後明顯會有一個用電缺口之外根據台電最新的數據每度電平均發電成本是3.06塊那核電是全部裡面最低的每度電只1.16塊那如果假設假設假設就是最高的5至6塊包括你常常他在旁邊你就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8902.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8905.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
他常常還要跟民間收電欸你知道民間收電要多少錢嗎10元8元都在收那所以我們國家一直在撥補到目前為止已經撥補了4000億了明年還要再撥補1000億所以這樣加起來5000億欸國發會主任你自己想一想這對國家發展是有利的嗎龍心自己問一下好不好在 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8927.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8952.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
國際上重啟核能已經是勢不可擋的趨勢包括日本的新任首相他也表示說不會放棄核電韓國的那個他也發表了去核電的政策那核能發電量已經佔他全國發電量的30%了所以我想要知道的是包括美國包括瑞士大家都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8953.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8964.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
重啟核能這是一個潮流所以我可以再請教一下主委說你到底覺得說如果你要迎來這個AI的高用電實用核電是不是不可擋的趨勢呢? |
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8966.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8988.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
現在最主要還是一樣他電夠不夠的問題他電明顯就不夠嘛你們不能夠蒙蔽自己的眼睛說我們應該夠你怎麼算會夠呢你綠能我本席沒有反對綠能但是你綠能的這個發展你自己看他的數據就知道他根本跟不上來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8989.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8989.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
國發會是規劃全國經濟發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
9008.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
9034.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
員警的部會那經濟部長也曾回答過我,郭部長就他也回答過我說他會考慮延長核電廠的使用年限而且這個是國發會的使命欸這句話不是沒有道理這重任是要放在你身上請主委要把他扛起來好不好我們全體的國民都可以做你的後盾但是主要是你要先願意扛起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
9034.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
9051.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
因為法律的規定喔,能源政策是在經濟部能源設置的但是你可以有主張啊,不代表你不能有主張嘛謝謝張院委員時間掌握得非常好,謝謝好,謝謝,謝謝委員來請回座,消費資訊請蔡易瑜歡迎時間6加2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
9066.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9093.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
謝謝昭偉那我們是不是有請國發會主委蔡委員早好主委我想要就教主委那行政院在9月的時候針對國家人才的競爭力躍升方案那有一個四年期的計畫那它鎖定的有包括AI的人才以及綠色領域跨域 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
9094.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9122.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
跨域的人文數位人才那我們希望在2028年要到45萬的人次那包括說要新增12萬名外國專業人才那擴增8萬名外國技術能力那我想要請教主委的就是說好我們2028年要新增這樣外國的專業人才那外國的技術能力到台灣來那你們的具體計畫是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
9124.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9148.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
好的我們具體計畫是透過幾種方式第一個是放寬法令鬆綁讓人才更容易進來那尤其是我們也比較了日本、新加坡、韓國等地還有澳洲這些跟我們搶人才的地方做一個比較那之後呢我們現在也集合了各部會正在修訂法令我們希望在年底送進立法院來審議你也很清楚啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9151.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9154.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
現在外國的人才要進來最主要是法令的 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9156.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9183.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
的限制就是說我們如果沒有鬆綁現行的法令的情況之下外國人是進不來的啊你不管是專業人才或者是我們現在我們知道台灣各行各業都在缺工缺工的情況之下我相信主委你到民間的所有的企業你去找一找你也查這個缺工的狀況多嚴重啊對那既然缺工的狀況是這麼的嚴重我們都知道那我想要跟主委說的就是說我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9185.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9205.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
有一個國家叫做泰國泰國他們在於這十年過去我們台灣都把泰國當作我們的移工的一個重點的來源國結果連泰國這個國家他們都正視到了他們自己國內也是缺工嚴重所以他們在過去這十年他們就把他們整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
9208.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9228.396 |
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這個整個國家的一個員工做了一個大幅度的調整那從2014年他們針對外國的一個聘用的一個外國人的聘用就增加160萬所以他們的所有的這個社會體系的僱員就已經55%以上都是外籍勞工 |
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55%這是泰國這個國家那我們可以想像說他們基本上他們的勞動力已經比台灣充足的情況之下他們還鬆綁法令到了現在55%以上可以聘用外籍僱員那所以外國的勞工現在總數也是到達了他們歷史的一個巔峰 |
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那可以看出說他們基本上大家都知道說我要保護國內的勞動力保護國內的年輕人有就業機會但是這個前提必須在於說年輕人到底選擇怎樣的就業如果這個就業機會是年輕人沒有意願的那我們還僵在這邊然後一直不把所謂移工的政策給他大幅的鬆綁這個是不利台灣整體的經濟發展主委你贊同我這樣的說法嗎我贊同委員的看法 |
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對,所以我要具體的去跟主委說,我們去比較我只要用泰國,因為泰國過去我們都說泰國移工阿現在人家泰國他們都引進移工,他們都到了55%那我們在相對於台灣,我們還在用傳統的5個等級就是3K5級制的一個適用從A++到ABCD,然後他們各差5% |
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最多到35%那如果他又再提高了他就用就業安定金金基本上這樣的政策你把它看起來如果你在C級啦C級的部分我跟他要請一個移工我定義要請六個六個本國籍人士對產業來說我不是不請這六個本國籍人士捏是我根本這六個我請不上 |
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並不是說我不請啊我願意去聘請可是我請不上這六個所以我既然請不上這六個我就沒辦法去請一個移工來來我的公司做工作我是用C級的喔如果你用到D級的話D級的話是用電子零組件那又涉及到的科技產業喔又涉及到的科技業所以你回到D級的話我要請一個移工我要請十個十個 |
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本國籍的勞工問題就我這十個就找不到啊真沒人啊 |
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所以這個比例來說我覺得以現階段我們不要講少子話我們就是講現在大家對於所謂工作的太陽的思考在改變年輕人他可能會選擇說我透過AI的時代我可以在網路上工作我可以更自由、更有彈性的工作型態這是他們要的工作型態那如果是受僱於產業這個不是他們理想的受僱型態的時候 |
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企業也要跟著調整國家的法令也要跟著調整啊好不好 主委我最好讓你講這個我們會找勞動部來討論一下那你們的想法是怎樣 |
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9430.858 |
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以我對產業的認知跟壓力的了解我是希望能放寬是最好啦因為泰國事實上在2018年人口開始消失他們到2024年人口會開始進入萎縮那所以他們很快的就制定了外勞法以後就開放的很快那我們可能有很多內部不同的聲音要被解決所以我想我找我們會找勞動部來討論這件事情 |
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我是覺得要正視這問題而且這件事不要再拖我當然知道說很多政策的制定它會有不同的想法會有不同的意見但是這些意見中視要有被 |
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有一方退讓就是說服的過程必須要減短就是要一方要退讓嘛對到底什麼怎樣才是對於國家產業是正確的啊所以我覺得這個東西你們真的就是趕快深入調查你們要趕快去了解現在所謂我們對於勞動力他們就業的狀況我剛才說的這麼多我認為那些都是現時是真的要緊面對的狀況 |
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我的看法是跟你一致的啦我會來努力一下好那這部分讓主委要趕快費心因為我們國發會是站在整個國家的布局是非常的重要產業布局那第二個勒我再跟主委說一下現在 |
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9488.183 |
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我們在討論這個中高齡重返職場那這個中高齡重返職場他是需要這個中高齡他們不管是心態的一個調適或者是他們的生活習慣 |
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所以我們事實上也做了一些數據的調查就是說針對45歲以上中高齡重返職場事實上我們從這個民調顯示是非常的悲觀就是說有高達為這個民調認為說重返職場是輕鬆的只有0.8% |
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只有0.8%所以你看起來勒是將近九成的人都認為種繁職場是有困難或者是有壓力 |
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所以他是說中高齡第一個要重返職場困難那這個困難來自於說產業可能已經有替代能力他現在這個人要回去是有困難還是說他整個心態的轉變但是我想台灣有一個狀況我們對於65歲以上的勞動參與率相對於韓國相對於新加坡相對於日本韓國新加坡是30%日本是25%我們台灣65歲以上的勞動參與率只有10% |
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這部分我覺得我們也可以檢討擴大整個勞動力勞動力的參與才是我們經濟發展的主要的一個一個基石好不好好的所以主委我剛剛這部分這一點有納入我們的人才策略裡面那我們可能會想要建議這個成立一個這個人口對策的辦公室來 |
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好,這個兩行都很要緊,我講這兩行,都是勞動力一定要想辦法去提高,不然現在所有台灣的三頁,大家要叫好不好,主委。好,謝謝。好,謝謝蔡議員精準的發言,請回座。好。下一位質詢請鄭天才,6加2。 |
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主席有請劉主委。請官會劉主委。政委好。主委好。今天你的報告我覺得非常好,你的報告,業務報告。那我們先看原住民與全國民的每人每業主要工作平均收入。 |
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如果我們走這十年來一百零二年這個原住民的平均收入兩萬六千三百七十三跟全國的這個落差差不多一萬左右然後除了一百零六年呢原住民的平均收入每年成長但是一百零六年是減少減少兩萬八千 |
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那如果我們整個到這個十年來看全國國民跟原住民的平均收入的落差其實沒有什麼太大的改變對原住民而言沒有比較好因為都是在一萬到八千之間這個落差都維持在一萬到八千之間所以 |
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這個除了嚴明會之外很重要的就是各部會尤其是國發會、經濟部等各部會都有希望能夠給予協助這個是一個基本的數字先讓這個主委瞭解你的報告我真的是非常謝謝會提到這個不遺落任何人的公正專心 |
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有這樣的一個報告第一個確保個人、產業與群體發展的機會確認公正轉型對象與範疇及建立補償策略與機制就個人而言就是原住民個人每一個個人就群體而言原住民族所以這個部分當然跟我們原住民的就業的那個 |
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方向當然跟我們的居住環境跟我們的產業也都有關係所以這個主委如果從你剛才你的報告然後從我剛才的一個就收入的比較 |
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主委有沒有什麼可以協助的部分跟委員說明一下其實這分兩個件事情第一件事情這個不遺落任何人的公正轉型其實是主要您看下面主要是為了2050年的淨零轉型那因為淨零的過程中會產生公正轉型的問題我們同仁 |
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漏了近鄰公正轉型兩個字啦齁但是所以這個是以近鄰為主但是委員提的當然這個問題也是我們社會現象的一部分我們也該重視就是說原住民的收入平均比較低那我的想法是說可能我來找原民會找這個經濟部大家我們坐下來開個會來討論一下啦然後再跟委員做一個報告看看我們用什麼方式來逐步的把它改善 |
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非常謝謝還要加勞動部所以這個部分要請主委、國發會、經濟部相關的部會當然我們看這個也請經濟部次長經濟部何市長 |
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9891.988 |
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我們看原住民主基本法第18條政府應設原住民主組合發展基金辦理原住民主經濟發展業務上個禮拜五我在總質詢的時候也質詢了行政院院長就這條條文了這個我在省政府當副局長原住民行政局副局長的時候開始設置這個原住民主經濟事業發展基金 |
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9919.251 |
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現在改為原住民組綜合發展基金最主要提供原住民辦理經濟事業貸款住宅貸款、青年創業貸款維新經濟活動貸款及原住民組事業貸款等等好不容易在沈議員以及經審之後立法委員的一個督促我們協調組織總署 |
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每年編列幾億幾億的錢投入到這個經濟發展基金的綜合發展基金裡面到105年了這個基金有117億7千多萬來辦理相關的經濟發展的業務但是很可惜被挪用到這個淨法補償的費用去了 |
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所以現在這個基金累積短促也就是財源不足68億8千多萬8千多萬這個部分也因為這個部分導致我們的總預算 |
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9980.59 |
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一直來來回回一直沒有辦法復為審查所以我一直尋求因為我是老公務員一直尋求怎麼樣去解決這個這樣的一個困境所以也要請國發會有諸位能夠共同的去協調其實 |
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這個進法補償明年的預算就是少編17億而已辦理追加預算就可以解決的事情了所以這個部分這個我們共同的來努力好 我們請劉主委回座好 這個次長 |
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在你的書面報告裡面提到臺灣中小企業是經濟發展的磐石目前中小企業有超過163萬家目前臺灣新創企業有7900家這個部分是不是能夠會後盤點一下原住民到底有幾家 |
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好,可以嗎?好,可以。好,謝謝。那個如果不知道他的,這個可以問延明會怎麼樣去查這個,他到底是不是有原住民身份。好,人才面的部分,捷訓學院超過46000多人次,然後培育超過4500名的低碳專業人才。 |
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也希望請經濟部提供原住民到底有多少方法很簡單我過去在延民會服務的時候很簡單的方式就是你把他們的這些身分證支號給延民會延民會電腦一查就知道就有了好不好很簡單 |
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10088.406 |
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培育524家新創及732位創業家提供最低8成保證及低利貸款利息一期補貼並額外提供保證融資額度最高1億元之優惠 |
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然後辦理一百一十二年期經已辦理一萬八千兩百二十三件這個部分到底有沒有原住民是好不好好都是數據啦好謝謝謝謝政經事務委員非常精準的發言請回座稍後質詢請李玲稍微來 |
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謝謝主席 請劉主委請國會劉主委 |
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各位早一早很多委員都有提到現在我們年輕人對生養小孩的意願都非常的低落尤其是我們台灣少子化這個浪潮是越來越嚴峻尤其在我們台灣從2021年開始就連續43個月出生率低於死亡率尤其在2023年的時候我們生育率更是 |
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全世界的倒數第一名這個情形的原因很多也很複雜那也不是單一原因但是針對於高房價、高物價以及高工時這工時很高薪資又很低的情形之下育兒成本都是增加的這也是讓我們現在世代的年輕人不敢生養孩子的最重要的一個考量 |
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那尤其是我們國發會針對這個人口的調查裡面每兩年會調查一次以未來50年的這基準來做一個調查那在2023年的時候你們做出來的依據是大概是出生人口大概低估值是14萬但是統計出來是13萬5571人那今年的話也應該要公布了剛剛你特別講到10月16號你就會公布 |
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突然這兩個月公布,你是16號開會17號公布嘛那你這為了說要更精準一點更有這個數據可以做交代你要用國際的趨勢來做一個比較那是不是因為前面出來的數字不好看、不美麗所以你要把國際趨勢比如美國啊這方面的拿出來比較來讓你們可以做一個交代呢 |
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倒也不是喔 主要是我們希望當然的確台灣的情形是的確是相較其他國家比較嚴重但是我們做任何事情都希望多看一下外面的世界的趨勢跟變化譬如說日本是正在日本已經改善了那他們的怎麼改善我都希望同仁去研究 |
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第二個事情是我們內部其實也開了兩次會議那上一次是陳時中政委他負責的就把大家都集合下來我們也盤點各部會能做什麼事怎麼再去改善結婚的慾望到生小孩的 |
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以上任的時候在大概六月份的時候他就有宣布要成立健康台灣那有任務型的組織編制了委員會那特別是針對少數化部分就有召集人這個陳時中來做召集 |
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特別有提到未來每生一胎是一個寶寶可以每個月領3萬塊一直到他上幼稚園為止那這個部分我們主委你是支持這個方案嗎 |
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這個方案的細節我並不清楚是但是身為國發會你不清楚對你應該要去自己橫向溝通還有整個整體的配套要看怎麼去研究來讓這個每個月3萬塊就可以鼓勵到年輕人生育這單一的想法3萬塊年輕人就會生嗎 |
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剛剛特別提到這個高房價、高物價、工時又高、薪資又低的情形,國防委沒有配到嗎?沒有檢討的方案嗎?跟您報告,我初步只要現在年輕人只要結婚有97%年級會生小孩那重點是結婚率比較偏低所以我們現在是朝不同的方向包括怎麼樣提升結婚率那提升結婚率其實我們也做了調查那目前來講找不到合適對象是一個很大的主要原因 |
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所以我們現在準備把這些都排列下來我們希望逐步的一個一個去解決先讓結婚的機率變高第二個事情讓生小孩他們的壓力變小考慮的問題全部要好好的研究、配套、討論我們也有研究到日本日本他有一個補助到甚至到高中畢業那這樣的話都可以紓解壓力所以我們希望整體的再來你先考慮到國小這個部分吧 |
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一步一步來接下來就是說因為少子化的問題會衝擊我們整個我國的產業跟經濟的一個很大的衝擊所以我們國發會為了要來研兩外國的專業人才在各方面的 |
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不管是居留、工作的許可等等你們發了這個就業的金卡到今年為止八月份的統計你們是發出了一萬一千零一十七張但是只有三千三百五十二個留在臺灣不到三分之一的情形所以本席想請問國發會你們有什麼依據去評估他們這些對我們我國的延攬 |
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國外人才跟我們產業的轉型有什麼配套上瞭解上他對我們國家的貢獻有沒有跟委員說明一下能夠拿到金卡的人代表他的月薪要有16萬以上是比較屬於尖端人才那第二個部分是這裡面有很多的是創業者所以他本身本來就會來來去去那我們提供的是他來台創業然後的方便性 |
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所以你評估他對我們國家的這個產業跟原產人才有什麼貢獻這才是重點啦不是他拿金卡16萬他是一個老闆基本上他就有16萬啦對不對那你一到三年時間又可以展延又再展延你一直讓他組織方便 |
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這張金卡則方便他出入來的工作許可跟居留證而已並被對我們產業實質你應該有所依據來評估他對我們的產業有沒有轉型的幫忙有沒有人才的延攬進來對我們技術各方面的提升這才是重點啦 |
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對我們現在其實更需要是他們留下來不要走所以我們也開始進行檢討那裡面很大的一個是我們的雙語環境不足那他們譬如說眷屬來小孩來念書或者是買菜等等方便性不夠所以我們現在今年也在明年的預算裡面我們也編列一個這個雙語環境的實驗點希望讓這些人進來以後能夠感受到能夠比較能夠更方便的生活願意留下來 |
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主委 這要加強的啦不是說他們的生活不便利我相信我們台灣的生活上應該都是很便利的那尤其是現在我們有個大矽谷計畫這一顧的成效並沒有看到你實質的雖然說在上個禮拜行政院已經審查通過了 核定通過了但是我們看整體來講的話它整體的區域部分 |
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就像他對產業整個大溪谷那個桃竹苗的大溪谷這個計畫在整個包括我們龍潭的地方龍柯山崎也都被規劃進去了就是整個發展會有個產業鏈這產業鏈形成的就是最重要土地的問題那土地的問題的話就會跟我們國土規劃法這個部分會有相關重大的一個牽連性為什麼呢因為國土的功能區分 |
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區分的區域的區分圖還沒有每個縣市沒有送出來在沒有送出來的情形之下你把規劃出來的話萬一它有些的農地被規劃為農醫的話未來是不會隨便更改的是不是我們國發會這邊要來做個橫向的溝通讓整體企業的需求還有我們各地方各縣市對國土法這土地的規劃做一個區域功能性的一個方向才能夠讓我們整體把規劃出來 |
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讓我們的產業才不會因為沒有土地的問題我想委員提的這一點是非常好如果對產業發展有需求的話我們國安會是願意出來進行協調 |
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因為國土這個分區規劃分區規劃圖這個是很重要所以我們希望我們趕快把這個延緩兩年讓各地方能夠把這個整個計畫重新規劃送出來之後我們整體討論再來實施也跟委員報告我們在國土法裡面我們也找了國科會跟經濟部針對他未來需要科學園區跟產業園區的土地的需求量也做過盤點 |
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對,所以我們要確立土地的規劃的方向好不好?是的是的好,謝謝好,謝謝林議廷委員非常精準的發言請回座下一位質詢請陳昌明發言時間6加2分鐘,謝謝主席啊,首先有請我們國會留主委請國會留主委 |
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陳委員好呃 劉主委啊首先我要感謝你國會這次提出了我們討植植苗大溪谷的計畫已經核定了那苗栗縣有核定三個地區一個是植卵第二科學園區一個是投入科學園區一個是賀龍科的產業園區 |
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那這個過程裡面我特別感謝我們國會、我們國土室的黃次長還有幾位副主委的協志手眼快合定下來最重要我希望我們的劉子維容然繼續給我們這大溪谷計畫支持尤其是我們苗栗縣因為苗栗縣把它完成起來就是西部的科技走廊就會完整 |
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好不好這邊我特別拜託感謝我們的國會的努力讓我終於把它合定下來完成了一個任務謝謝黃次長請回座在這個問題我要請到劉子維 |
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你是國外國家發展委員會行政院現在又成立一個經濟發展委員會國家發展委員會以前把研考會放進來你現在叫做經濟發展委員會到底是行政院更大還是你國家發展委員會更大還是國家發展委員會更大你這樣聽我的意思嗎? |
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但是這本來就是因為我們是歸行政院管轄啦對啦對啦你不好意思說我今天聽你說你要叫行政院他不是正式的機關要叫他加一個執行機構 |
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第二個他跌船下屋他是違章見識我們要做一個企業要做一個計畫好應該把你國科也不是你國安會所有的計畫請他們來討論給你做參考 |
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但是我現在看到行政院所請的經濟委員會都是大公、私下、學者你們是他們我會為他們產業強化所以不能怪他們但是你國家發展是一個森林他們是裡面的一棵樹所以那個行政院沒有經驗要是我當院長我說來把我國會的所有計畫全部提出來 |
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你們來研討有什麼要補充有什麼要改進有什麼要加強的地方我曉得你不敢講我聽你講也傳給行政院講不要把方法方向搞錯了不然你會很亂那些人你也得罪不起 |
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我是老實講,老實話大家給意見之後,然後院長支持我們往下走那你經濟發展委員會,裡面有經濟創新,有驚悚台灣你又說包容成長,我都想沒什麼叫做經濟發展委員會 |
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出來一個包容成長 我不知道你給我介紹一下因為我時間有限 我要問你很多問題包容成長他們主要是在談平衡性就是包括青年所得等等這些事情中小企業的發展因為我們中小企業在台灣的比重比較大所以這裡面已經有協視這件報案說參加的委員都為他們的產業來講話 |
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我覺得不對你應該把你的創新思維你的施政方針、投資人才、跨域合作還有開放政府給他們去討論給你做參考你是決定的人 |
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那不一定可以做出很好的結論下來跟委員報告我參加的均衡台灣的均衡發展組那沒有人會為自己去提啦大家都是針對議題包括我們在談的是奶菜的問題均衡發展就是城鄉的發展、產業的均衡發展來 |
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講到政府發展,我要給你挨個資料你說你今年的公共建設是2405億包括前瞻計畫450億所以達到這一公共,今年的公共建設有3000億你說裡面有266項各部份 |
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吼,這幾位大,你能提供給我們266項我們知道各部會應價值應得在主意才能去那個進行臺灣每一個地方能平均的發展這些都在我們送院的預算書裡面我曉得預算書太多了啊你們要解列出來能不能把266項做一個給我們經濟委員參考多久的時間給你兩個禮拜 |
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二分部會喔!好!再來今天有一個重頭戲就是中小企業跟服務業那你們也曉得中小企業跟服務業啊它佔我們生產滿國GDP的62%就會人口會達到六成但是在這經濟部怎麼講我把那個合的合 |
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經濟部的以前中小企業核次長身為政府次長,這樣說就盡了。但是你們在笑我看沒什麼,你們裡面有說什麼那個 |
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那個進行台灣來電施惠效率化、作業效率化、資本效率化敢這樣寫下去,我們什麼都沒有在台上所以以後我在地方辦中小企業還是服務業的服務你們要下來指導一下這三個名稱很響亮但是我不曉得內容在哪裡會不會人家把我們指導人家寫到你們國會 |
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你經濟部在服務中小企業這三個是你們只要的方向,要怎麼做,要告訴我們嗎?你們在說,我們會看到人都不知道啦,包括立委都不清楚你們這要怎麼做,有沒有比較具體化? |
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跟委員說明以工具機產業來講它大部分的企業都營收年營收都在10億上下比較多那這些企業它在打國際盃的時候現在是很難跟大的企業去競爭所以受到很大的壓力所以我們就會協助他們成立控股公司的概念把它集結成一個大型公司為什麼你這個報告寫得很好我要很尊重地稱讚你 |
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你有五大信賴產業、經營發展、遷移、打造、創新、產業交資、產業創新、造園投資方案 |
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還有人才的人來,我都自己背到寫上,開始寫了不錯,但是這裡面的法規跟你協調的溝通能力很重要,要去把它完成,好不好?公共建設的那個部份266項要給我,要分各部會,我管你怎麼進行臺灣 |
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再來,吼,你這個諸位文很厲害、很偉大你說我們的GDP要超過日本跟韓國還要追、追平以色列啊,我們的希望在2027年、2028年能達到我們的GDP每一個人四萬美元這個雄心、這個壯志我很稱讚鼓勵六八到五八 |
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有沒有把握這個我們會來努力啦那基本上信心是很夠啦不是啦未來努力給我們一個希望你把它打成這樣要站起來啦那麼快 |
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我還有好幾個問題沒有問,敏感的問題你都突然站起來時間很短,以後改進啦!業務報告時間要長一點啦!會議順暢要是我就10分鐘就要2分鐘欸我下次再考慮一下謝謝這個陳昌明委員精彩的質詢謝謝,請回座 |
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謝謝趙偉我想要請我們劉主委跟我們何次長請國務委劉主委 |
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我想請教一下就是說我們其實有非常多的政策是來延攬專業的人才但是其實我們發現了中小企業現在他們的勞工都高齡化了那對於中小企業勞工高齡化問題我們國發會跟我們經濟部這麼解決 |
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目前就我了解就是在勞動部有訂一個中高齡就業相關的法令然後也有給予一定的這個優惠給這些企業所以希望協助這個高齡者能夠就業原因是現在的人身體比較健康然後我們的全球在相較來講我們的這個高齡的就業勞參率也比較低所以目前的話勞動部的做法是這樣的 |
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那經濟部呢跟委員報告其實我們在這個中小竊販條例裡面也有修正就是說如果要徵雇這個65歲以上的基層員工的話我們會有做一些抵檢抵檢率可以達到200以上租稅優惠嗎對對對但是我想要了解的以年輕的勞工來講他們通常喜歡科技產業多過於中小傳產這樣子的產業 |
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那怎麼樣子促進就是我們就是年輕人口對於我們中小企業的創新研發能力的這個精進那才能夠讓中小企業未來因為以目前我看到國發會目前的情況你們會不會都只重視AI產業那對於中小企業的創新研究也不重視那這樣子的情況下 |
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如果未來我們的年輕的勞工都流向了高科技的產業那中小企業如何能夠有創新、研發的這樣子的動能呢?是不是?國科委、國發會主委 |
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跟委員報告關於這一點其實我們也很重視所以我們在創新創業的雨林生態系裡面我們保留的創新就是希望這些中小企業都能夠走入創新那我們也會從投資的角度給予他們一定的協助 |
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所以你是以投資抵減還是怎麼樣?原因是這樣我說明一下現在企業中小企業大概遇到兩種狀況第一個它處於一個成長型的產業那它靠創新維生的另外一個是它屬於成熟型產業成熟型產業它其實它如果去比成本的話會很辛苦比創新會比較有未來所以我們希望這些人都從創新的角度去發展那創新不一定是AI是各個產業都可以有創新 |
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那我們希望大家都走進去所以你是希望把AI引進不一定是AI只要是創新都是可行的那你能不能再具體一點因為你這樣講有一點天馬行空因為大家不知道說你怎麼樣子把創新引進到中小企業 |
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我舉個例子在我們彰化有一個做腳踏車過去做剎車的公司那他們現在就去研發了一個就是未來整個自行車會走到電腐車的世界他們就在設立了一個研發中心專門在研發這個部分那現在他的產品已經走已經被那個Bosch納入他的這個供應鏈裡面 |
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那這個就是從一個傳統的剎車的腳踏車剎車的產業走進了一個電動的電腐車的這個領域裡面而且打進了全世界最大的一個這個電腐車廠家那這些都是透過從一個這個從最傳統的工業走進一個智慧的工業裡面那這個都是屬於我們認為他可以去發展的 |
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好 那我還要再請問就是我們現在碳費它徵收的標準是以大型企業為主但是我們知道未來大型企業他們是上游廠商嗎那他們可能會把他們的成本轉嫁給中小企業尤其是中下游的產業供應鏈 |
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那所以上游的廠商如果把這些碳費的成本轉嫁給我們中小企業或是中下游的工廠的時候那這樣子勢必會影響到中小企業的生產成本我們知道目前電價的上漲已經對中小企業的成本已經增加非常多了 |
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那未來如果碳費的進一步的轉嫁到我們的中小企業的時候那是不是對他們的生產成本也勢必會增加也會壓縮到他們的空間那這個部分我們政府部門怎麼樣來協助他們 |
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我們有幾個作業現在正在進行中因為碳費的如果要實施的話他是會到2026年才會開始收所以這段時間還有一個緩衝期那我們現在呢第一個我們現在第一個是我們有在找環境部我們希望他成立一個綠色成長基金那這個綠色成長基金來協助這個企業開始進行這個減碳的工作 |
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那另外其實跟經濟部我們開始也進入也開始投資像ESCO之類的東西去協助這些產業進行這個減碳的動作所以這些都有都是希望能夠幫助這個企業降低它的衝擊那我想要問一下我們中小企業處那你們是怎麼樣子做這個部分 |
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跟委員報告其實最主要就是說要輔導企業他要能夠減碳那這個部分我們其實跟一些工協會都已經有建立這樣的一個合作的網絡他用大帶小的方式來協助一些中小企業他從整個供應鏈來做減碳能夠讓整個碳的這個成本能夠降低那當然就是還有一個是節能的部分剛剛主委講到這個部分也是我們會加大力道來推動 |
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那你們怎麼樣加大力度推動就是因為這些中小企業即便他們願意執行的去探盤查就是加入了這個就是因為有可能他們是對歐的貿易嘛那他們可能要有進行探盤查 |
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可是對於碳排放就是的這樣量的計算的能力以及執行碳盤查的這樣的情況的驗證那我們目前國內的驗證機關是否足夠那現在是怎麼樣的情況你是不是能跟國民報告好 |
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目前除了就是說有國外的驗證機構以外我們為了要補足那個量能的話我們現在大概國內有幾家法人成立的這個驗證機構大概6、7家左右的驗證機構包括 |
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這個像我們的這個進攻中心那我們還有那個大電力公司等等這些他都可以來幫忙做驗證那我們其實有一些輔導團如果中小企業需要我們來做服務的話我們經濟部這邊有所以除了7家的這個就是歐系的驗證公司外我們還有自己的法人我們自己有法人可以來做輔導 |
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那這樣子的能量是否足夠呢?你們現在目前做的就是說中小企業碳排查的比例多高?是 因為這件工作其實大概已經兩年前就已經開始在做了那所以陸陸續續其實都以這個 |
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從這個被歐盟規範的這個產業為優先那我們這個慢慢的就是說開始把一些國內的這個重要的這些這個製造業的聚落我們大概都都走了一遍那目前跟工協會其實都還在相關的這些碳盤炒的工作都還在進行當中所以我們希望就是說蘇歐的這個產品基本上大概都八九成應該都已經都已經完成了 |
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請回座因為時間也快到12點主席在這邊宣布上午質詢到無尊城無尊城之後就休息下午2點半繼續開會 |
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好,現在請邱志偉召委做詢問。謝謝主席,有請國會劉志偉劉志偉順便那個經濟部何次長何次長 |
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這個 主委 大家都在談 最近討論颱風架颱風架的依據 颱風架怎麼做決策那你從國家發展角度 從產業發展角度 從經濟發展角度覺得現行的這個放颱風架的這個依據跟標準跟決策模式有沒有檢討的空間我認為這個還是要看科學依據啦 那至少現在 |
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呃 各縣市應該自己決定 其他國家都沒有用這個政府去宣布是不是要放台灣價那我看過其他的這個國家幾乎好像都沒有這個相關的規定當然我尊重科學那當然產業發展國家發展也是很重要我想問你有沒有檢討的可能性 |
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現在應該只是對於這個未來的這個鋒利的判斷應該是可以再檢討了但是由政府來發布我想會比我小時候還好我們小時候就是每一家企業自己決定由各縣市政府自己去做判斷 |
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因為我們早年小時候就發生過很多事情有些企業跟著政府放有些企業是自己決定結果發生了很多的意外所以後來才由政府統一的我經歷過這個時代所以還是覺得限制有限制政府去做決定是目前相對比較好的至少以我過去我們經歷的時代來看是比較安全的何市長,產業界有沒有什麼聲音呢? |
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當然產業界會造成不便因為就好像已經排定的這個班表這個他們可能要重新再run過一次對他們競爭力會不會影響競爭力競爭力當然也有一些影響那你覺得現行台商價放下標準是不是要有調整空間這個應該是要交給專業啦你的回答我也會回答 |
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好 第一個少子化日本有一個少子化對策委員會少子化是一個大臣他是一個內閣部會的首長在擔任少子化對策委員會統合各個部會去做針對這個少子化造成的國安問題那我們現在少子化的對策分布在相關的部會衛福部、經濟部相關的部會 |
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那他的實施雖然經費這個比過去增加很多但是效果還是有限所以未來有沒有可能有一個四群統一機關像日本一樣有一個少子化大臣 |
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這個主委您支持嗎我是支持這個看法的也跟您報告本來我今天下午3點有約院長就是要報告這個想法目前因為當然這個裡面我也跟陳時中政委討論過現在有一個大臣就是陳時中政委但是我們希望有一個比較專職的機構 |
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他不政委不用來備詢阿對,我們希望在院裡面設立一個專職的一個特別的機構然後來整合各部會因為招數化是一個國安問題而且越來越嚴峻對所以不能用那個跨部會的協調機制去面對這個險峻的國安問題沒錯,他應該是一個很所以我還是想跟你一樣是要有一個政府一個專職機構統籌預算統籌人力對針對問題解決問題對 |
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那您今天下午再跟對我們是希望成立一個人口對策委員會它不只是少子化的問題包括我們現在對勞動力的需求的問題還有國家未來競爭力的問題還有甚至將來影響到國內消費跟繳稅的問題把它當成一個重大的議題去看待跟它一個國家安全的問題對那國家未來的這個競爭力我們今天討論到新創 |
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新創的這個資金面你看國發基金去年度新創天使投資區域分部這個集中在北部我剛剛說集中在北部你們投了40家31家然後南部幾乎沒有所以我上會期才希望你們有一個創投工會設一個南部辦公室有南部辦公室可以統合或去協助這個新創產業在南部生根發展茁壯嘛你看連土壤都沒有 |
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通常都沒有他怎麼去深耕茁壯呢所以資源分配的不均這個很重要這個立刻去導正好的並不夠大也是一個問題現在你這個國發基金裡面針對新創的這個資金才8億這些都是年輕人都有未來性都有理想性但是他們缺少的就是資金那國發會128億的經費你們只有給了8億太保守 |
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也對這些年輕人這個創業這個提供太少的協助所以比要做大我是希望說在你的任內可以每年增加最起碼一年要20億20億對他們才能增加比較多的這個新創事業的協助你現在一年才40家我希望說一年可以到100家 |
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我同意委員的看法我們會來滾動式的把它調整那第二個事情是我們看起來在均衡的部分做得不夠那我們也會再強化在...要盡快!這個均衡...這個失衡的現象不是現在才存在已經存在很久了創造公司從來沒有在南部有創造公司中部也沒有然後沒有一家你們扶植的這個西方世界是南部的這個公司 |
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好 這個我來改善而且這8億太過保守所以我希望你可以到20億每年增加到這個扶植100家的新創事業好 我來我們來做一個調整另外另外這個 |
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你們的這個新創聚落跟這個創業加速器它分布也是有中北、青南這部分我提醒你們一下新創聚落你要多一點在南部集中在新北、台北跟桃園比例很高六都的比例很高那這個加速器的據點也都是如此集中在台北市經濟委員會大部分都是來自於這個中南部委員 |
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高雄就有四個立委都是來自於這個高雄還有台南還有嘉義所以你的這個我們如何對這個年輕人這個新創產業他們想要在高雄在台南去深耕築藏政府沒有給他們的這個任何的席組啊所以這個部分啊再請主委特地要要好的這個我們會會依據我們總統軍人台灣的政策來做調整 |
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跟強化那新經濟移民法有沒有再評估再重新啟動因為事實上新經濟移民法大部分的法令都已經在纜財專法裡面了所以我們基本上會強化纜財專法繼續往下走你覺得纜財專法目前有發揮它的這個法律功能跟政策功能嗎它需要再優化所以我們目前在跨部會協商中很快就會公告然後送院 |
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所以我希望從以前開始我現在有提案我也可以拿出來審但我希望你們要支持如果你們現在的染財方案沒有辦法整合所有的資源然後效果有限的話我會考慮要把我的新基民法這個拿出來審給你們更大的壓力才能有更強的動力來正式面對這個缺工的問題全世界都在搶人才高階藍領都在搶 |
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那台灣你現在的攬財、流財方案我覺得太過於保守而且成效有限那為什麼不立一個專法來整合各部會的資源然後開放創新然後讓國家讓世界各國人才能夠聚在台灣主委 |
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好,我想委員的提示我收到了,我回去也研究一下那個當時您的法案,我們來看看怎麼樣更強化,在送出之前,我們會再,也許可以再優化。好,稍微要,稍微要以先作主了。好,我先到,下次有機會再問,來。好。謝謝。好。 |
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稍微都以身作則來,下一位質詢請吳聰臣有請國發會請國發會留諸位 |
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主委好現在這個課題你應該很熟悉我現在要講的東西就是超高齡社會到處85天但是不是85天我也搞不清楚因為國發會大家都在等國發會 |
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剛才聽到那個我們召委提到的少子化少子化的議題那其實我要談的這個議題兩面像主委是國發會是這件事情非常關鍵的單位那當然就剛才提到未來臺灣30年最重要的事情就是人口的問題高齡化跟少子化這為國安問題所以重責大任就在國發會 |
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但是呢這個每年八月的時候國發會沒有兩年一次那但是今年的人口推估這個大家都會關注的因為 |
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預測的是2025年超高齡社會來臨就倒數85天了但到現在國發會的這個人口推估為什麼到現在沒有公布的原因是什麼有幾個原因第一次他們拿給我的時候我希望他們去也同時比較一下國際發展的趨勢 |
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我想你我都是產業出來的人關起門來自己看是不對的那我們希望多一點數據的收集然後我們來做好的判斷第二次希望他們能夠我們希望不是只有公告這個數字可能帶一點我們的想法有一些對策因為我只有4分鐘所以我就單是聽說問題比預測的本來預測的更為嚴重是不是這樣子 |
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呃 基本上的確是 呃 比較 比較 比上一次是會有一些 比較嚴重齁 值得警惕的 齁 對所以就是 沿著以待 但是我們過去因為只公告 沒有想法 那我們希望這次公告帶著想法 非常肯定這個主委這樣的想法齁 |
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那這個我在總質詢的時候這個那個主委跑出來就駕然後那個提出一個人口對策但是我看今天的這個國發會的整份報告書都沒有提到人口對策的問題其實我今天約了院長下午3點要跟他報告這件事我建議這件事就是 |
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那我也跟陳時中政委提了這件事情那我們在上個禮拜五的中午其實我們我們中午是沒有休息啊這個諮詢的之後我們就在行政院開會把各部位都找來我們針對怎麼樣鼓勵鼓勵結婚到鼓勵生育到後面這一段但是因為為什麼要從人口政策來看不是只有少子化的問題 |
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問題,包括將來您講的壯世代的問題,包括未來整個消費人口的減少,要一整體性,所以我們希望是一個人口的對策。好,所以呢,現在呢,當然是我來談的壯世代政策,一直談的,它不僅是高齡的政策, |
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他也是全面政策那現在行政院就有那個陳時中政委有一個壯世代政策小組現在已經有13個部會加入這個小組了那但是呢現在他們提出64個計畫但是基本上都是現狀的現有的政策缺乏前瞻性那這個就在國發會就是規劃包括人口的這一個國發會可以幫幫忙嗎在這件事情上面 |
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其實我跟陳政委現在開始我們這個人口出來以後我們大概有多一點比較多的互動在這上面了那我們上次開會其實我們是他有邀請我一起共同主持所以我們會願意再多來看一下怎麼來協助所以呢因為 |
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因為現在這個問題就是本來陳政委那邊他在領導的這個不過在上次以後你突然提出了人口政策以後現在就是有一點到底是多頭馬車但是目前現狀這個運作是不是可以請國發會先來協助就協助這個小組因為陳政委現在在領導的這13個部會的整合 |
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需要國發會的這個規劃這個是我主動找院長其實就是我們也想願意多對這個這件事多做一點付出啦所以你願意的啦對只是看起來因為我可能變成是下午3點的會要再延時間那我再來請教主委謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝主 |
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市主席有請國發部主委請國發部主委 |
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委員無案好 謝謝主委因為剛才12點前就要執行你尊重我們召回的決定等了兩個半小時才看到你好 OK所以我要請教一下我們國發會在2025年重大公共建設計畫札幣前瞻計畫預算是2922.5億元其中 |
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公務經費是2,405億元創下近10年新高所以交通設施的話就是佔比例53.4%還有在繪畫 |
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一千兩百八十點九億用於就是平均臺灣各方面的發展文中多次提到就是預算平均臺灣的發展但是當 |
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但是均衡是一個空泛的名詞如何讓民眾對政治有感最重要的就是蔡政府說的前瞻計畫就是要編列高額、積水預算但是只要每次颱風過境 |
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都會造成就是淹水的問題所以讓很多民眾苦不堪言所以請教主委現在我國的治水成效是否滿意明年有關治水相關的預算佔了百分之幾還有對於這筆預算預期效率評估如何謝謝 |
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跟委員說明我們雖然沒有參與到這個水災的前線但是我有側面瞭解到我們在前一次的水災到這一次我們的降雨量所造成的 |
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所以你是滿意? |
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現在的之水的方式如果說滿意我們就不會持續改善所以我們現在還在還是有編列預算持續去改善它那我們相信會走到讓大家滿意的那一天但是我們沒辦法一步就到位 |
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好 第二個事情也跟委員報告就是說另外一個事情就是極端氣候也是一個比較嚴重的影響所以才是由總統對 但是我們秩水成效很容易受到考驗我們的職責就是要為民把關嘛確認錢都在花在包口上啦希望在對秩水的問題要可以繼續 |
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經濟所以說另外在6月7日院會總執行的時候我有問過卓院長有關僑生評點制度跟流財的策略當時我們主委也有提到說國發會近期會再重新檢討整個人才的策略在盤點各國的戰略之後可能放寬就是 |
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喬森的幾點．還有請問一下我們的目前的進度．到哪裡了．因為呢．人口老化也少子化．我國．人才就是越缺越大了．所以國發會在提到說．外籍勞動力在2030年．就要增加40萬人．但是呢．在我們這邊的供給． |
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給跟需求評估國發會有做到了嗎這個部分我想要請教一下給我一分鐘因為後面很多我知道但是我們要讓國發會回一下我有30秒回覆就是說我們現在已經協調完了正在進行跨部會的法規鬆綁的協調那我們最近協調完之後我們會進行公告然後送院來和 |
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對,我們希望就是要招攬外,就是更多人但是我們企業更喬生,要有更多的機會我們要用民眾的納稅錢,也要達到說要流產,這樣子的話,真正的目標才達到不是說我們要預算,但是我們要達到流產的目標好,謝謝,謝謝委員,今天主委請回座 |
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何俊仁、何俊仁、何俊仁不在?下一位執行請洪孟凱主席謝謝麻煩請劉主委請國會劉主委 |
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主委好 主委本席要請教一個我覺得現在是一個台灣現在面臨到非常嚴峻的問題也是國發會應該要做人口推估但是三度延後發布本來應該是8月後來講9月那現在最新上午你有講說10月17號以前會來宣布而且你講的原因是說延後是希望要有答案不要只是告訴國人現象那現在預期答案有了嗎 |
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我們開過了幾次會我們這麼重的問題其實歷任的前面兩位總統都說它是國安問題那我還是重申一下過去我們只負責公告我們並沒有沒有做後面的動作只是我這次我希望我們國安會也能夠多做一點事情 |
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否則的話他每一任總統都會把他說成國安問題而越來越惡化認不認為是國安問題我認為他是國安問題絕對是嘛絕對是小子化高齡化絕對是各國家都面臨到絕對是那國發會為什麼很重要其實大家對於國發會很高的期待因為有小內閣之稱嘛我們也希望是說能夠把所有這一些相關的政策來做一個彙整啊那其中主委 |
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112年年度最低收入戶65歲以上主占整體的比例是17%將近20%這是我國的一個現況所以 |
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最低收、中低收入戶跟低收入戶的人數來講65歲以上組其實相對來講佔的比例是高的將近20%那這就代表什麼這就代表說高齡化有兩個極端的現象可能中低收入戶跟低收入戶他會佔的比例會比較高所謂的下流老人這樣的狀態 |
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那另外也有人講到說中高齡者必須可能要延後退休或是二度就業但是相比日本來說65歲以上的人口勞動參與率有到25% 四分之一臺灣到目前為止只不到10% 9.9% |
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那當然這是勞動部相關應該要去協助的這個高齡就業但更重要的是國人現在在講說現在中低、中高齡者的一個就業並不是說我們不願意或說雇主他沒有去聘請而是最重要是什麼最重要的是勞動市場的友善環境沒有對於中高齡者有足夠的友善市場那這一點國發會員您有什麼樣的看法 |
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這一點也是在我們整體人口政策的考量之中原因是我們要拉動這個社會就業人口我們有兩個主要的方向那除了我們攬財或是培養人才之外我們還有一個就是提高婦女的勞參率跟老人的勞參率那 |
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所以我們也會針對這個問題來做改善跟實施具體的計畫那我們現在是跟各部會開始在協調怎麼去讓這件事情過得比較順利第一個職場的改善第二個老人有沒有一個好的找工作的管道 |
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第三個部分是我們也要了解到他們是希望做有責任壓力的全職工作還是一個part-time能夠賺錢的工作所以我們還需要釐清很多問題所以我們希望是用整體的人口對策來做這件事那我也謝謝委員認為這是一個國安問題所以我們希望在國家發展委員會裡面在17號當天早上8點鐘我們開完會之後我們會有一個大的方向來進行往後改善的 |
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所以看來您是已經知道這個問題但是還不了解整個問題的全貌包括說到底我們跟日本相比65歲以上的這個勞動人口日本是25%這個我有蓋要的去理解過原因是我們的勞退制度其實做的是比別的國家好所以這些老人並沒有那麼強的急就業的壓力那甚至很多人是提早退休 |
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那這個也是一個我們怎麼吸引這些人再回來就業是我們必須去我剛剛沒有要貶低您的意思我的意思是說因為您有講到是說要去了解這一些就業它到底是要怎麼樣的偵查或是細部分析對 所以本席現在要提供一個建議是說這一點也是我來做個完結啦 喔 總結 |
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請主委這邊是不是能夠給本席一個參考資料也是針對就是你針對怎麼樣促進65歲以上的中高齡者來去做增加就業的一個狀況並且協助改善他們面到問題以及我們怎樣協助改善可能不一定是國發會也許勞動部相關部會好的好不好好的謝謝謝謝彭委員來 主委請回座蕭醫師 您請黃國昌 |
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可以謝謝嗎?有請主委運國二、劉主委 |
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委員會主委好時間的關係我們就流暢一點進行我們國發會大概在2018年的時候30億成立綠能國家隊投資聯合再生接下來發生一堆問題當初國發基金是說公股的董事會積極的監督積極的監督我們來看一下第一個從我們的國發基金投資了以後又虧損了上百億 |
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當初就有人立法委員質疑這是紓困基金還是國發基金那除了這個投資的效能非常慘不忍睹之外讓我們更痛心的事情是我們的經濟部工業局把地給了聯合再生結果他竟然違約去套利2.63億元當初的這個交易我們來看一下 |
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出售的金額高達4.26億為什麼沒有提起董事會討論?國發基金派了董事在幹嘛?委員據我了解我們有董事會有在董事會上提出意見但是因為我們只有一票那我現在的做法跟您報告一下我們已經進行退場機制8月27號開始啟動那原因很簡單我們希望投資的公司公司治理要變好 |
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那我們現在最大的問題是一席董事跟3點多個%的股份6點多個%的股份我們在公司法上面我們有一定的難度那個主委我插一個問題那個請主委是不是可以請國發基金的同仁匯貨提供我的資料我們國發基金你說只有6%多嘛但 |
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你把十大股東攤開來看第一名是國發基金第二名耀華玻璃第三名到第十名加起來差不多跟國發基金第一名的持股數字一樣在這種股權結構之下我要請國發基金會後提供的資料是為什麼我們是第一大股東 |
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在股東會的時候我們的表決股權是怎麼行使的竟然只選了一席董事您懂我的意思嗎?我懂你的意思後面有很多連一趴都沒有的都可以當選董事我們是第一大股東竟然只有一席董事我們是把表決權數的股數去支持其他人嗎? |
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是嗎?所以委員歷次的提醒我都有關注到所以我們才會進行退場機制這兩回事啦現在要退場那我們就密切的關注他退場的機制第二個在還沒有退場以前我們國家的權益要捍衛、要主張這家公司的公司治理有嚴重的問題 |
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所以主委才決定要退場所以因為我也找過律師討論過依照公司法我們能第一個依照公司治理我們只能在董事會發布發表意見我們無法去指揮對阿但是我現在要跟主委等一下等一下先停一下啦我跟主委交換的意見是阿我們派去的董事阿發表過幾次意見阿然後被人家無視 |
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這個今天時間的關係我跟您報告不是無事喔我們曾經被那家公司要求生產董事我們的董事太痛苦了這個請會後是不是可以再麻煩請我們國發基金新的執行長來說明可以可以可以嗎可以那最後一個就是說我當初去年所指責的事項連我的監察院都印證說這是真的 |
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亂搞亂搞這已經有違契約的規定有違契約的規定的話我們在退場以前國防經濟的董事是不是要在裡面主張該做什麼樣的事情這個是監察院的糾正報告是的這個不是我說的而已我去年記者會開的內容我們的監察院印證百分之一百全部都是真的 |
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我們的國發基金在退場以前．我們派任的董事該做一些什麼事情．請主委會後書面跟我說明可以嗎?我書面給你,我們有做事。可以齁?好,謝謝。好,謝謝。來,請回座。好,謝謝。下一位質詢,陳佩瑜。陳佩瑜,陳佩瑜不在。林倩琦,林倩琦,林倩琦不在。黃建斌。請黃建斌委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席我們有請我們那個經濟部次長經濟部何市長 |
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委員市長我們先緩衝一下剛剛的議題我們現在剛走過來的時候下雨剛才遇到下雨我就想到上個禮拜我們山脫颱風的情況有些問題我想請教一下市長市長上次楷米颱風重創南部當時中央給高雄的淹水補助是一戶兩萬塊對不對那這次山脫颱風不只重創南部 |
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臺東縣的太馬里跟金峰鄉兩個鄉各自災情慘重為了要救助我們的災民臺東縣政府啟動這個三頭二颱風災後專案救助計畫提供給淹水的受災戶最高一戶一萬五然後另外再加碼三千元的這個財損那總共是一萬八但是絕對不夠,連八塊都不夠,連清水也不夠 |
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那這個部分是不是跟我們的縣長也大聲祈福說希望中央也能夠比照開明颱風時間期間對中央部的補助然後給每個受災戶加碼到兩萬塊那針對特殊身份者再另外加碼讓我們的宅民能夠盡快的恢復生活那市長昨天我們賴總統去他的故鄉萬里勘災他也宣佈說比照開明颱風期間 |
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補助我們金山萬里地區的受災戶那要更換這個節能電器啊﹐可以補助50%﹐最高到50萬另外經營生意的店家﹐如果面臨到商品受損﹐必須有這個經費來補貨﹐也可以去營養貸款那經濟部會補助利息6個月﹐高達50萬那今天補兌回來我今天要要求市長一件事情﹐就是臺東縣比照凱米臺豐跟總統故鄉這樣子﹐比照他們辦理先補兌一下這個 |
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我們會全國一致我會朝這個方向市長因為台東這一次不只是淹水還土石流還有土石流那我想我們要趕快讓居民回復正常的生活之外我們台東縣的財源並不是這麼充裕希望作用大力的協助那不要有城鄉的差距再次再拜託市長 |
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另外,這次的電價政策急轉彎,經濟部近日宣布,我們菸草製造業、批發零售業,改調到14%。醫療院所餐食外匯集團散承包業花蓮旅宿業者動漲,其中花蓮旅宿考量災後會遇到颱風,參考0403地震後的災後電費優惠,決定不再調漲。 |
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本席覺得把資源放在花蓮來協助花蓮這是對的,我們也理解但是其實臺東的情況也沒有好到哪裡去花蓮有難,臺東不會好樹花公路、北圍鐵路中斷臺東產業也會跟著倒霉現在臺東的觀光業者也是在哭哭地在吐這次又遇到門山魁梧的重創臺東觀光產業需要更需要來協助市長,這個部分是不是能夠也要求比照花蓮縣來動長 |
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這個部分我想我們會反映給行政院那由行政院那邊來同盤來考量是 |
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次長其實本席會來這邊是早上其實我們在內政的時候有提過相關的問題那劉思芳部長也引諾說會來協助各部會來協助臺東整體的整個災害復建那這邊我也再次照我們委員會來再拜託一下次長將相關的問題帶到會裡面來協助我們臺東縣這次的災害重建那以上也請次長跟相關部會來協助謝謝 |
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主席主席好 有請次長請經濟部何市長 |
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委員好次長好我想這個新創產業跟中小企業的範圍應該不是僅限於我們直覺上的這些文創啊科技也事實上有很多零售嘛娛樂啊、旅書業面向蠻廣的對嗎是對所以我們也知道這次中小和新創企業也都有機會被這波工業電價調漲所波及那我們看一下這個PPT |
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撇除這些行業外工業電價跟這些產業電價部分調漲了14%那行業類別相當多並非真的是離我們生活很遠或是行業很線索次長認真看是不是很多都在我們報告的範圍內所以我想要問的次長的問題就是說你認為業者會不會因為擔心成本上升未來可能會轉嫁到一般人民的身上 |
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因為每一個產業它的狀況不太一樣那當然我們也經過計算這個其實對整個物價的影響其實是有限的對整個CPI的我知道你們寫你們是說0.03%是是是對但是我想要提醒次長的是 |
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這個會有預期心理所以其實工業電廠在這一次漲14%這已經累積這三年來漲了66.27%我想這個心態上會有預期再漲也有可能會有預防性的轉嫁的效果導致一次漲足推升這個物價我要請次長密切的注意這樣的預期心理那 |
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經濟部也預估說這次你們說0.03%可是其實你剛剛提到這數字我是覺得不是很合理啊第一個官方統計數據通常都低估喔更何況0.03是指今年對物價的影響現在已經10月了那有沒有對明年預估應該要比較合理吧這方面有估算嗎 |
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我們會再估算所以目前沒有這方面的估算對不過我們整體來看其實它對就是因為有一些條件的動漲或漲一半或是有一些產業它其實是因為目的世界主管機關的有一些補貼給這個台電所以我想我們整體的考量尤其又是這個一些住戶或小店家都不漲的情況之下應該對整體物價來講應該是有限的 |
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我想這個次長我覺得這個0.13應該是低估了其實我想要也想要請問一下我們國發會主委你也是這個評估主委好我想你也是評估這個通膨的單位首長颱風過後這個農漁業的產品的災損之後造成價格上升請問農委有沒有和農委會討論一些物價穩定的措施另外這個九月份的核心通膨率目前是 |
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人在1.82%總體的通膨率大概是2.5可是10月份還有電價調漲的因素明年開始又有調整基本工資所以我想要問部長是不是這個真正的通膨怪獸會在10月份之後才會來呢? |
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這個是有分成短期因素跟長期因素我先跟您報告一下我們現在是有一個物價督導小組我們會針對物價的波動這是核心通膨以外的通膨是屬於高波動性的像黃小玉、黃豆、小麥、玉米這些我們現在都有定期偵測包括雞蛋等等還有麵粉那的確短期目前看起來是問題不是那麼大但長期的確國際行情有一點小風險 |
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對,所以主委我跟你說這一次你們其實蘋果屋的模型跟4月份主計處的模型就不太一樣主計處的說法是產業用電漲3%的話CPI會漲0.05%所以照這次調整來看CPI應該會多0.2%以上那央行在4月那坡12%也有預估CPI年增大概是0.23 |
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所以我在想這個部分你們是不是應該統合一下確定一下究竟影響有多少就不要導致說你現在嘴巴上說0.03就最後因為有預期心理整體就往上拉高了他是兩個認定基準不同的概念0.2我們跑出來模型也在0.2以下大概0.18他主要是指一個區間那現在經濟部講的是一個更短的區間所以 |
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那是不一樣的最後我還是想要幫這個我們大家生活中的社區藥局爭取是不是也納入這個電價動漲的範圍因為社區藥局在疫情的時候以協助防疫從這個發口罩、快篩、疫苗、抗病毒藥等等的業務都相當的辛苦 |
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現在你可以看一下我的PowerPoint最後因為已經有藥商直接跟這個藥局說可能在藥的上面要漲價部分藥品要漲價因為電價調漲的原因這部分可不可以請你們慎重的考慮納入這個動漲的行列 |
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23025.675 |
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好 再回答我們那個台電副總是說那個藥局應該不會受影響因為他是表態用電應該不再但是現在已經有藥局跟我們反映說這一波漲已經有那個藥商要跟他漲這個藥費了那這部分麻煩你們瞭解一下狀況好不好跟廖委員說明一下好 謝謝 謝謝廖委員來請回座 |
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23031.073 |
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23047.999 |
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賴思寶、賴思寶、賴思寶不在、郭志強、郭志強、郭志強不在、林楚芸、林楚芸、林楚芸不在、高金素美、高金素美、高金素美不在、鍾佳斌、鍾佳斌、鍾佳斌不在、黃文輝、黃文輝、黃文輝不在、林俊憲、林俊憲、林俊憲不在、蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉不在、劉許廷、劉許廷、劉許廷不在 |
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23051.957 |
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23070.487 |
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登記發言委員除不在場之外,區域均勻發言完畢,詢問答案結束由委員黃建斌、羅志強所提書面質詢,我們列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢以及未及答覆部分,請相關單位於週內以書面答覆並複製本會本日議程處理完畢,謝謝大家,現在散會 |
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23101.531 |
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23104.152 |
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一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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23130.886 |
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23131.954 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部次長就「我國政府對新創及中小企業扶植政策執行狀況與未來精進措施（含政策、人才、法制、稅制、資金、區域平衡等六大面向）」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:23 - 14:57:00 |