| IVOD_ID |
161446 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161446 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-15T11:37:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-15T11:50:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fcea13637980d1817a8d7937de06a684139dba296d6b924feb4968b4ec7625616e20a296e7f2f0315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:47 - 11:50:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案62案、有關審計部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案及有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案18案。【報告事項】
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結專案報告案17案及有關行政院主計總處預算凍結專案報告案1案。【討論事項】
【5月14日及15日二天一次會】） |
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羅委員明才：（11時37分）主席、各位委員、出列官員，大家好。主席，可否請審計部陳審計長？ |
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主席：他已經先回去了。 |
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羅委員明才：那有誰在？ |
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主席：要問審計部嗎？ |
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羅委員明才：審計部都走掉了？喔，這個是最重要的。好，他如果不在的話我就請莊部長。 |
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主席：請財政部莊部長。 |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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羅委員明才：莊部長，5月是報稅的季節，截至目前為止，有去報稅的比例大概多少？ |
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莊部長翠雲：到5月11號，來申報的綜合所得稅大概有達到四成，大概有兩百多萬戶。 |
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羅委員明才：四成。今年如果有一些情況來不及的就是可以晚報，是不是？ |
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莊部長翠雲：申報期限已經從5月底延長到6月底了，就是延長1個月。 |
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羅委員明才：為什麼要延長1個月？ |
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莊部長翠雲：最主要當時因為川普的關稅政策出來以後，我們認為這個時候不管是民眾也好，產業也好，可能會受到一些衝擊。比如以產業來說，他也要在5月申報營所稅，可能他一些訂單的調整等等，讓他們有一個比較寬廣的期限來做申報，並不在1個月的期限。 |
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羅委員明才：所以財政部是站在民眾的立場來替民眾設想？ |
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莊部長翠雲：這個部分是財政部，然後院長也有指示。 |
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羅委員明才：財政部這樣做的話，你們有沒有做過民意支持度的調查？ |
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莊部長翠雲：有沒有做過民意支持度這個部分，我們覺得我們為民眾做事是應該的，然後讓民眾有比較寬廣的時間，民眾要在5月來申報也可以。 |
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羅委員明才：聽起來就是說，民眾的好感度還有民意的支持就是覺得財政部很親民，因為沒辦法嘛，外在環境的改變，財政部這樣做其實是對的，你贊不贊同？ |
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莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝委員的支持。 |
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羅委員明才：接下來我們請主計長。財政部從善如流，一樣是行政院下面的單位，我們就來請教一下主計長，主計長，去年的稅收超徵多少？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：稅收這個部分是財政部負責的。 |
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羅委員明才：好，你不要動。去年稅收超徵5,280億。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：5,283。 |
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羅委員明才：在民意調查裡面有超過68%，四捨五入大概七成，有七成的民眾支持普發現金。主計長，你會不會從善如流，像財政部這樣親民，像剛剛財政部莊部長所說的，因為便民，民眾有感，然後你們趕快懸崖勒馬好好來思考一下全民普發現金，不多，1萬元，主計長知道為什麼嗎？一人領1萬怎麼樣？快樂長相伴，再一次，一人領1萬，接下來呢？大人小孩通通有希望啊！這個已經是流傳千古，在立法院必考題嘛！已經講了N次了，可是我每次看到主計長表情好像：「哦！到底發生什麼事情？」我跟你講發生什麼事情，那個事情就是發生在我後面那幾個字，叫做什麼？主計長看得到嗎？這是什麼？我每次來立法院開會都是看這4個字啊！往你那邊看叫做「國家至上」，我們心裡愛國家、心中國家至上。 |
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第二個，我們在修法及在審法案的時候，最重要的事情就是「民眾第一」，我也因為這樣的啟發，所以我提案就是領1萬嘛！這個數字也不是我從空而來，就是因為稅收超徵5,283億元，然後每次開會都提醒我「民眾第一」，什麼第一？就一人領1萬，這最優先的事情要做，真的啦！主計長有沒有辦法趕快來協調一下？因為我跟你講，你不要說我，就算你給我1萬元，我也是捐出來給公益單位，我不是站在我個人的立場想事情啦！我是站在很多嗷嗷待哺的嬰兒，他們要買奶粉，奶粉最近不是漲價嗎？補貼一下吧！小朋友買文具用品也需要錢，還有很多，對不對？你們說一直要照顧中小企業、很多的大企業，也照顧一下保金、保貸吧！總共38萬個拉保險的人，在那邊拉得很辛苦啊！還有邊緣人，還有很多的社團、社福單位，這幾年募資都募不到，拜託就是1萬元嘛！請問全世界普發現金的國家有哪幾個？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：我沒有查。 |
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羅委員明才：沒有查？哇！主席都在笑了，你的幕僚單位是誰？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，聽說日本是有要發啦！但是最近聽說遭受到很大的反對，所以後來也就不了了之了，但是…… |
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羅委員明才：好，你說那個還沒發的，有發的有哪幾個？美國有沒有發過？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：但是我也跟委員…… |
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羅委員明才：新加坡有沒有發過？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：新加坡是有發，但是…… |
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羅委員明才：主計長先休息一下，請旁邊那位比較厲害的上來，請主計總處公務預算處的處長，許處長讓你發揮一下，我知道你不會想要把主計長幹掉，但是你如果表現得好，大家會注意，請問一下許處長，全世界有普發現金的有哪幾個國家？ |
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許處長永議：剛才我們主計長有講過，新加坡有發過。 |
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羅委員明才：新加坡發過，發多少？ |
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許處長永議：這個我不清楚。 |
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羅委員明才：好，還有哪一國？ |
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許處長永議：香港也有退稅過啦！ |
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羅委員明才：香港退稅也是一樣的道理，就是錢給民眾嘛！還有哪裡？澳門？ |
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許處長永議：澳門應該是在金融海嘯那時候。 |
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羅委員明才：對，有沒有發過？ |
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許處長永議：有發過。 |
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羅委員明才：美國有沒有發過？ |
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許處長永議：美國是加州。 |
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羅委員明才：有嘛！疫情的時候也都有發，好，你不錯，至少有做功課，謝謝處長。請問主計長，剛剛回答的那位是誰啊？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：我們公務預算處處長。 |
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羅委員明才：公務預算處處長許永議。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：許永議，許處長。 |
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羅委員明才：你可不可以考慮今年在加薪的時候，或者考核的時候，記得他有在做功課，就是表現好的人，我們要給他多多鼓勵，也許因為他們蒐集的資料正確、比較廣泛，可以讓主計長在深思熟慮的時候，增加更大的信心來支持普發現金1萬元，因為之前主計長說，你都不知道啊！現在一些參考的數據，也請你體恤民情，民眾真的很需要這1萬元，有七成的民眾支持喔！因為我們都是站在第一線，我今天早上六點多去跑攤的時候，我就遇到一位年輕的曾祖父，我問他有幾個孫子，有兩個。他說：「喔！最近『貴參參』的，香蕉也漲價，雞蛋也漲價。」本來曾祖父要給孫子一些零錢，都沒有啦！我又問年輕曾祖父：「你全家有多少人？」他說：「我家十幾個人。」我說：「現在如果政府有這個好康的事情，一個人領1萬，這樣你會高興嗎？」他說：「我家十幾個人領十幾萬，這樣政府有在做事情。」這句話就是告訴主計長嘛！真的人民很需要，也拜託主計長從善如流，你說台電缺1,000億元，是不是？1,000億元，我找給你，好不好？我找給你，你把2,300億編給民眾，缺的1,000億，我幫你找，好不好？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，其實發放現金是有它的時空背景，還有它的目的，政府在安排政策也有很多的目的，如果要還錢於民…… |
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羅委員明才：還稅於民啦！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：它有很多種方法和政策的安排，所以不見得要發現金，以現在來講，這個時候發現金並不是最適當的一個時機。 |
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羅委員明才：我知道啦！主計長可以講，可是你講的一定對嗎？也不見得嘛，對不對？就有七成民意支持啊！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：這個是我們經過一再的討論之後，所…… |
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羅委員明才：所有的立委沒討論過嗎？所以以前普發6,000元是錯的嗎？不是吧！就大家商量，立法院是合議制，大家聽看看，有道理你們就拿去用嘛！你一直要把人民的錢慷人民之慨，然後去補貼台電1,000億元，我問你，你說1,000億……講光電好了，去年台電在光電花多少錢？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：這個部分我可能還要再調查一下，因為這是屬於台電的部分。 |
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羅委員明才：你叫他們自己檢討一下啦！光電花了2、3兆，少花一成就有兩千多億，講難聽一點，你們一直挖挖挖，挖台電的坑，叫人民去補補補補，補不該由人民出錢的洞，這就那麼簡單的事情嘛，好不好？你們要去弄光電，那個什麼88槍擊、什麼問題一大堆，都還沒解決，你們就繼續慢慢弄，我只是站在人民第一線的立場，最卑微的就是說：你一人發1萬元。讓大家有充滿一個小確幸，就是這樣而已啊，對不對？你們總不能每年稅收超徵，然後你們就東拿西拿的拿去用，整個都被你們花光光，留一點給民眾吧！你不要說因為民眾沒繳稅，有啊！我們去7-ELEVEN買的時候都有營業稅，每個人都有奉獻，怎麼會沒有，通通都有啦，好不好？全民共享嘛！最後「民眾第一」，好不好？請多多參考一下，謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝羅明才委員。 |
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接下來請鍾佳濱委員。 |
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林思銘 |
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黃珊珊 |
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黃國昌 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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葉元之 |
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王世堅 |
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陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
521 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-05-15 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1144901 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1144901_00008 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案 62案、有關
審計部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案及有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案18案；二、處理
中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結專案報告案 17案及有關行政院主
計總處預算凍結專案報告案1案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1144901_00007 |