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報告委員會出席委員10人以足法定人數請主席宣布開會好現在開會進行報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第1次全體委員會議一事錄實現中華民國113年9月25日星期三上午9時12分至9時12分地點本院紅樓302會議室出席委員生委員發會等13人主席莊文瑞雄報告事項一本院第11屆第2會期各委員會召集委員選舉時間及地點業經本院第11屆第2會期第1次會議決定照案通過再案 |
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而宣讀本會期本會召集委員選舉而明測選舉事項選舉第11屆第2會期本會召集委員主席宣告推選吳文中縣中文嘉賓為立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會召集委員宣讀完畢 |
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今天是由行政院人事行政總處首先歡迎人事長蘇俊榮人事長歡迎懷旭戶人事長以及陳明中公務人力發展學院的陳明中院長因為今天人數較少我們都一併介紹讓大家認識一下綜合規劃處的陳月春處長謝謝編組人力處的張翠娟處長歡迎您 |
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培訓考用處的李花書處長歡迎您 |
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給予福利處的林錦惠處長﹖歡迎您人事資訊處的莊素怡處長﹖歡迎您秘書是莊富雄主任﹖歡迎您人事是裘明娟科長﹖歡迎您主計是陳立惠主任﹖歡迎您政風是潘文莉主任﹖歡迎您﹖謝謝 |
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總召各位委員各位媒體先進大家早安那人事總處 |
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統籌各個機關、人力資源政策、務實推動組織調整、AI人才培育及建錢、待遇福利等各項前瞻性的人力資源管理措施以下僅就本總處重要的業務推動情形及未來工作重點進行報告 |
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首先隨時稳動檢討政府的組織架構研議成立體育專者部會新住民專者機關並規劃與文化部新設行政法人國家語言研究發展中心設置條例草案已經在今年的6月27號還請大院審議在言語管理部分秉持當真則真當簡則簡的原則將 |
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2004.928 |
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兼以人力調整役助於民生安全及重大新興議題的人力需求上例如因應數位新興科技、司法改革、社會安全等一一四年度我們中央機關預算總顏額為二十一萬九千九百五十人較一一零一一年行政院組織調整啟動時的顏額數已經減少一萬三千兩百五十四人精簡率達五點七個百分比 |
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2005.683 |
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2010.447 |
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今年並責定部分重要的政策區塊辦理嚴格評鑑的實地訪視,邀請AI領域專家學者參與,協助機關依業務特性導入AI技術推動數位轉型。 |
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2019.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2049.184 |
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在中高階公務人員培育方面今年以前瞻永續發展或指國家競爭力為主軸辦理國家政務研究班及高階領導班互國外與公司部門就氣候調適、立設經濟及友善環境等政策推動進行實務交流另以數位轉型及永續成鄉為主題顯送人員出國專體研究在今年7月起針對中央二級、三級機關政府所長及部會所長辦理高階人才共事營 |
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2051.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2059.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
並監製AI人工智慧專期推廣AI素養系列數位課程及辦理相關訓練以提升公務人員的AI智能 |
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2088.689 |
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為落實公部門性騷擾防治責任本總處以今年3月7號定定公務機關性騷擾案件申訴處理流程指引同時辦理分區先導製作是為學習課程及研習協助機關掌握新法修正的重點持續辦理勤修制度先導至特殊輪班輪休及平均工時較高的機關實施實地訪視瞭解基層同仁的意見以落實公務員健康權的保障 |
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2089.449 |
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2112.89 |
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在照顧軍公教員工部分．考量今年各項財經指標今朝正向發展．已簽獲行政院合併114年根據辦理軍公教員工待遇調整3個百分比．同時配合政府業務發展及因應機關的需求．我們已經合併工程人員待遇提升方案．以利工程人員流產攬財． |
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另外本總處應用AI新興技術建置生成式AI查詢系統同時透過單一整合平台買Data持續擴充以優化個人資料服務功能以服務達193萬人次本總處作為公部門能力支援管理的幕僚角色將以AI行動創新組織以人力永續及大力提升及合理化三大市政策略 |
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推動多元能力支援管理措施協助各個機關穩健運作落實永續能力發展進行各位委員繼續予以支持以上報告進行指教 |
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好謝謝那麼機關代表報告完畢相關的書面報告內容請各位參閱並列入公報記錄接下來我們現在開始進行詢答本會委員詢答時間為8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員詢答時間為5分鐘並不再延長上午10時30分截止發言登記現在請登記第一位黃委員國昌總召發言 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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人事總署的書面報告也好你剛剛口頭報告也好不斷地在強調政府在推動AI特別是人事總署所扮演的角色今年7月30號的時候部會首長的AI共識營是不是人事總署辦的報告委員是我們人事總署跟數位發展部合辦這個部會首長AI共識營總共有幾個人參加 |
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2236.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2240.805 |
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所有部會首長除了兩位請假以外其他都有參加你有參加嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2245.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2266.861 |
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在這個部會首長AI貢士營,賴清德總統說要打造台灣成為智慧國家嗎?你還記得吧?當然,是!這是你們辦的嗎?是!是!因為我喜歡務實,我不喜歡務虛有時候我們的政府講一堆口號,現實上是不是有弱勢恐怕問題都很大 |
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我們的賴總統說要打造台灣成為智慧國家他具體的講有三個步驟要先做哪三個步驟第一個我覺得最重要的是人才人才還是最重要那第二個呢 |
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再來就是一些法規面的一個成就第二個是法規阿第三個呢第三個是基礎環境的建構比如像泰德之類的來賴總統講的三大步驟跟你剛剛報告的內容顯然有些錯誤總統在講話要仔細聽那要不然你辦這個AI首長公事你幹嘛總統自此都沒有仔細聽這麼重要的指示 |
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我們的總統從上而下告訴所有的部會首長打造台灣成為智慧國家的三個步驟我剛簡單一問你顯然沒有在聽嘛阿沒有在聽花納稅的錢辦這個部會首長跟他共事你是在做什麼做秀嗎做秀嗎總統指示的內容你們大家都有去參加 |
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2372.637 |
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沒有一個放在心裡面啊還是總統這樣指示是錯的來請教人事長我這裡跟委員報告一下總統的指示到各個部會我們是要把它轉化成委員剛才講的要務實不要務虛是所以我剛才講的所以你覺得總統講這三大步驟是不是務虛他講的是從另外一個角度來講是從另外一個角度嗎是所以你的角度跟總統的角度不太一樣是嗎 |
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2390.461 |
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完全一樣只是完全一樣完全一樣好沒有關係啦是不是完全一樣有聽尋達人心裡都有一把尺第二個到目前為止我們花了這麼多的公務預算花了這麼多的精神喊了這麼多的口號人事總處也一直在推AI嘛 |
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2392.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2408.485 |
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以具體的來講導入AI以後效率提升了多少?效率提升了多少?大概兩個層次一個是公務處理的時間速度一個是人力的節省以這兩個指標來講目前具體的成效如何? |
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2428.616 |
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我跟委員報告因為人事總處主要的服務的對象是屬於內部單位在行政效力的提升上面大概可以達到大概三到四成我舉一個例子就是像我們上一年開發了一個人事法規生存式的一個查詢 |
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2454.031 |
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那原來的公務同仁人事人員他要去查這個資料有時候要翻了很多的資料還有法律跟案例這個人事法規生成AI查詢系統花多少錢?好可不可以開放給一般民眾使用 |
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因為我看你們開發這個系統人事法規很複雜嘛 |
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2501.624 |
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用AI去查我覺得這是一個正確的方向嘛但做得好不好總是要經過檢證嘛所以我就上你們人事總處的網站去看啊我找了半天了以後原來只有在處理人事法規的同仁可以用嘛封閉的系統只有人事法規的人可以用而那其他關心人事法規的人為什麼不能用 |
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既然是花納稅人的錢開發的系統AI做有他的界限最後都要人做最後的判斷這個我都了解但既然已經花了納稅人的錢下去做為什麼不開放給一般的人都可以用我很好奇我也可以上去用啊我對這件事情有興趣我也可以上去用啊那用完了以後你們花了納稅人的錢做出來的系統能不能用結果好不好 |
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2562.026 |
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大家一起來檢證一起來修改嘛所以你剛講了雖然是法規生成式的AI查詢系統我覺得非常好啊可以開放給一般人使用嗎我跟委員報告一下因為考慮到整個使用族群還有資訊安全的考量委員所提的所以提一下這跟資訊安全有什麼關係有有有因為我在落地執行的時候我很多的法規事實上現在我在查的是法規又不是個人 |
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2591.862 |
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如果是法規我們現在還有其他的Q&A我們會有整理人事法規在網站上Q&A就不是AI嘛我覺得重點是要滿足使用者的需求不是為了AI而AI啊對啊我不可以是使用者喔可以使用者啦問題是我必須盡量來滿足使用者的需求對嘛所以你所界定的使用者只有在處理人事法規的相關的人員嘛 |
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2620.865 |
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阿對於我們公務體系的人事法規有疑問有興趣的人為什麼不能用這就是我的問題啦這 這個問題喔我想我們大概分兩個階段啦第一個階段就是來沒關係啦我時間的關係我也不給你拖啦請你回去審慎人言議好誰說可以開放給一般的人使用好 OK可以嗎可以可以好我們繼續往下看喔 |
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2633.729 |
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光電的弊案阿 全民生物痛絕阿光電的弊案裡面 結果呢台南七股 綠洋光電弊案我有經濟部的官員阿 通風報信違法核發電籌許可結果大家後來發現阿 他是模範公務員 |
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2671.633 |
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他是模範公務員2022年的模範公務員不知廉潔自恥公正執法違背法令迎合不肖的光電業者助紂為虐哇 這個用詞重喔這個用詞非常的重喔對於這樣子的一個模範公務員來人事行政總處現在的態度是什麼要不要撤銷獎項追回獎金 |
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2673.146 |
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2698.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
報告委員那個林文信先生我們已經接到經濟部的通知在今年的9月4號調整為9到檢認失職等待由降下來第二個就是我們目前還要等法院的判決以後這一些他得的獎項還有獎金還有他領的這一些全部都會撤回所以要等到什麼時候 |
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有相關的疑慮還沒有確定之前先降等至於說模範公務員的部分要等到三省確定才要處理你的態度是不是這樣 |
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2736.899 |
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目前我是覺得還要從當事人權益的保障這個重大的事情你撤銷一個人的榮譽的話坦白講要省 要省慎一點啦 |
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2755.749 |
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我這樣講好了啦降等的標準撤銷優秀公務員的標準你們人事行政總處自己去想清楚啦自己去想清楚啦可以降等但不能撤銷模範公務員這個道理是什麼可能請人事長再回去考慮一下 |
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2784.925 |
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可以這項謀犯公務只是timing的問題最重要是timing的問題沒有關係啦你還沒有判決界定你大家都在看嘛我們就靜靜的等嘛我已經把問題提出來了嘛要怎麼處理權力在你們手上嘛我也沒有辦法逼你怎麼處理嘛我只是提醒你這件事啊權力在你手上嘛看你什麼時候要處理嘛上一次在這邊請教你的軍公教條新要有基層的代表 |
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2815.197 |
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要有法制化你上次承諾今年一定會把法制化完成你還記得吧是是嘛好那就很怪喔因為你上次跟我講說今年年底以前要完成可是我看到你今天的報告一個字也沒提耶是準備要跳票了嗎不會跳票我們等一下還是會報告不會跳票不會所以今年年底以前可以完成法制化 |
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會送到來? |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2819.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2821.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
一定會送上來年底以前會送來? |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2821.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2836.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
會送到來另外一個我要幫一些比較辛苦基層的測量助理跟人事長請命他們40年沒有調整年功強了今年3月跟我們黨團成情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2867.928 |
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那我們也按照我們政府的體制跟相關的部會找來研議內政部會議通過地政測量人員薪資的調整這個是今年5月發生的事情結果條也沒有條多少40年沒有條他們要求也很卑微也很合理從2000到5000塊40年條漲3000塊我老實講看了讓人覺得很心酸我們也找了內政部了 |
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2887.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
然後但我們現在的進度是說7月9號內政部含爆薪資調整方案那個人總現在處理的進度是怎麼樣我跟委員報告一下7月9號內政部含爆行政院之後我們現在在會相關的機關那還要會多久 |
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2888.086 |
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2915.498 |
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我們會盡力去催看10月上旬就會要出來10月上旬嗎今天是9月30號嘛所以你講的10月上旬應該是10月15號以前吧對對對因為這些齁是基層的同仁啦我知道相對剝奪感很重啊他們看到台鐵的局長啊變成國營事業的董事長一口氣調多少五萬多塊他40天沒調啊兩千到五千塊拜託 |
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2917.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2943.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
人事長將心比心阿幫我們基層的同仁做愈快一點可以嗎可以我這裡10月15號以前喔可以喔可以喔好好謝謝好謝謝黃董昭謝謝蘇委人事長那麼由於議事錄先前已經宣讀完畢尚未確定現在我們先確定議事錄請問各位上次會議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏 |
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2946.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2950.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
沒有,好,議事錄確定接下來我們請羅委員志強有請人事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2964.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2988.229 |
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委員早 人事長早 我覺得有一個問題問你非常合適就是有關於首長尊嚴跟文官尊嚴的問題 問你應該非常合適因為你也是我們人事長嘛 對不對 全國公務人員還有我們為國家服務的人 你要幫他們來爭取尊嚴 沒錯吧 是我想請問你 總統會打電話給你嗎 |
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不會不會啊那你會打電話給總統嗎我沒有他的電話你沒有他的電話是那你會不會覺得說基本上你跟總統關係是不是不好啊因為總統有打電話給環境部部長啊我覺得我會接受到來自行政院院長那邊的指示對非常好你做好的方式你如果有總統電話你會打給他嗎 |
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總統會罵你嗎? |
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他會提點一些事情提點一些事情會像衛福部長說總統去罵這個環境部長那樣去罵人嗎是不是我沒有在場我不曉得他們是怎麼罵的罵的形容是一種形容詞啊對對對因為我直接講我們的我們的那個彭部長他說總統不是罵他總值要他這個 |
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更積極一點 更勇於認識一點 |
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我覺得我對很多事情都是正面在思考我覺得他就是在就像好像就是長輩在提醒對行事情你要特別注意我覺得是好事另外一個一樣我剛才問過你見過總統對不對那總統你在見總統的場合總統進來你會起立嗎 |
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起立這是一個基本的禮貌基本禮貌但如果總統的秘書總統的幕僚跟你講說今天這個場合很輕鬆啦帶總統進來的時候不用起立你還會起立嗎我還是會起立你還是會起立那總統今天進來對其他聽了總統的幕僚秘書說不用起立的人然後這個生氣了然後摔文件那你覺得這樣的情緒管理是好的是正確的嗎 |
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我沒有在場我就沒有辦法來回答我直接跟你說啦跟人事長說啦我們所有的首長都是國家的棟樑跟人才沒錯吧來是為國家服務的啦對不對不是來當奴才任人家所謂的把尊嚴踩在地上嘛對不對 |
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人跟人之間相互尊重是最基本的更何況是對行政首長所以我這邊也真的奉勸賴清德總統情緒管理EQ要加強一下所有不只是將官 |
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包括環境部長彭啟明包括文事長在內包括這些我們國之棟樑我們的一些文官首長其實都是為國家奉獻服務的這點沒錯吧為國家奉獻服務沒錯吧 |
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我們當公僕本來就是應該要做這些事情所以我這邊真的勸勸我們的賴清德總統最近火氣比較大一點看看要不要喝個清草茶降降溫不要把這個首長降官 |
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今年3月的時候針對公務人員非常關心未來調整薪資的問題那你記得是什麼事情嗎? |
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調心法制化的問題調心法制化的問題還有就是軍公教待遇審議委員會要不要納入基層員工代表那記得人事長那時候怎麼回答的嗎我跟委員報告我們大概6月有找相關的Stateholder來開會那現在基本主軸大概有兩個方向一個是條帶的指標是 |
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委員會議員 |
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現在還在中整大家的意見當中那至於那個委員會的代表我們原來有納進增加世衛公教人員的基層的代表各兩位阿他們也是有期待說能不能再多一點我們原來的一個Community我們現在就是17變成21位那這21位裡面到底要增加多少 |
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所以我們的基層員工納入代表已經在做了 |
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主要就是兩大方向一個是條帶的已經進到我們的審議委員會裡面了嗎進去代表了嗎已經納入一個諮詢委員會有有審議委員會呢 |
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未來的審議委員會可能就不需要存在了就是改成諮詢委員會嗎對 諮詢委員會然後擴大把基層的公務員帶來拉近因為我覺得這樣會比較讓更多人可以來參與不要讓他們感覺好像是少數我們在做黑箱的這樣 |
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所以我跟人事長講基本上我覺得公務員的心聲要聽進去因為我們想說基層員工代表其實代表比較廣大的公務員心聲那如果能夠把他們代表聲音放到我們的薪資調議的意見諮詢的機制裡面的話我覺得對我們這樣的公務員的調心我覺得意見會更全面 對不對 |
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但是另外一個我們講說法制化的部分像我剛剛聽那個這個我們人事長講已經在開始在做在做在做嘛但沒做完對不對因為整個還要收集收集還要簽我們還要還要進行還要進行公告啊我提醒人事長一件事如果說我們是今年3月才跟你講這件事情你跟我講說還有很多的作業研議的話我可以理解啦 |
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但這個議題是今年3月才出來的議題嗎公務員新知法之話是今年3月才出現的議題嗎因為我們現在坦白講是屬於在收尾的階段了 |
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我希望趕快收尾事實上我不希望變成是像過去8年的這個所謂的嚴當跟反覆事實上在2016年2017年立法院法治局的研究報告以及監察院2018年的調查報告都有說出拖延過久有欠積極已經拖8年那麼我們不要再繼續在等8年好不好 |
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我可以吧?做得到?我的目標是...今年年底嗎?年底要送到...對啊對啊我沒躲幾個月了齁所以剛才那個命題應該是不存在喔這命題存在啦只是希望你用你的積極性解決它而已所以我是期免人事長不要每次加薪好像要搞一個黃恩浩蕩一樣他去仰望我們總統比席 |
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我覺得不需要加薪是跟著物價跟著社會環境跟著其他的整個加薪的幅度公務員加薪應該是一個理所當然對不對堂堂正正的事情嘛對不對 |
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沒錯吧我覺得不需要任何的恩典啦這跟恩典無關係啦這個就是我們就是已經逐步把它法制化為什麼我們要逐步法制化的原因也在這裡嗎就是跟恩典就是有關係你才要把它法制化我不要再仰望一個每一個每一個我講的也不是賴清德總統啊抱歉 |
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我講也包括以前的總統啊陳水扁馬英九或是說今天蔡英文我們就是法制化就是不要讓這個事情變成只是仰望一個人的上意嘛對不對那變成說今天按照社會情勢該給公務員就給嘛沒錯吧 |
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事實上我的角色就是要幫所有公務人員謀求最大的福利反正總而言之我希望我們的人事長就是照你所說的今年年底能夠把這件事情完成公務人員的基層的員工代表進到我們的薪資的諮詢機制裡面 |
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加上公務人員的調心不用再說今天去看一個人的喜好好像給了你就是他對你的恩典一樣而變成是今天非常有尊嚴的然後按照我們整個社會情勢做一個法制化的調整這兩件事情我也是非常期勉就是我們任市長能夠在 |
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今年就把它完成 已經做了一件 第二件把它做完一起來守護 捍衛我們公務同仁的尊嚴好不好謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝羅委員 謝謝蘇人事長接下來請林委員施名 質詢好 謝謝張偉 我們請人事長好 請蘇人事長 |
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早安首先跟人事長來就教有關於我們在公部門設置職場托育設施的相關的議題像那個我先看先的業務報告當然這個 |
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提到相關的一個說明但是我還是想了解一下就是說對於我們這個陳院長他在上上個會期就講說政府要設立一個兒童的照顧專責的機關要這個人事總處要跟其他相關的部會一起來協議嗎 |
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我們知道新竹縣3個月在竹北就發生了一個孽嬰事件托育人員將幼兒綁在椅子上長達數個小時而且予以言語羞辱所以國內其實孽嬰的事件未曾間斷過 |
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所以本席想在這邊想知道就是說我們為了因應少子化的現況在推動公部門的設置職場的托育設施那是否有這個公告相關的設置參考之意 |
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因為我們事實上過去這段時間跟衛福部、教育部我們都有做這樣的一個宣導還有相關的資訊都有公開那截至到目前為止我們總共脫陰脫幼的設置總共設了195處 |
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不過我這裡也要跟委員報告因為要符合這樣的規定要樓層還有它的面積還有消防安全的一些相關的規定所以現在各個政府機關不管中央地方大家都努力朝這個方向再去增加因為每一年的需求大概30%左右 |
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另外我要跟委員報告一件事情我們也同樣的透過內政部我打斷你一下你剛才說目前的需求只有30% |
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公務同仁他覺得有拖音的需求公家機關有拖音的需求他會被30%左右顯然這個需求都維持在一個固定的數量所以我們上次也有提一個方案內政部也接受就是在未來興建的政府的相關的這些設施裡面都要一流拖音拖曳的這些相關的環境 |
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目前執行的成效就在全國各個縣市的各個公務部門各個縣市的相關的你們所統計的數據在會後提供一份給我好沒問題我們來瞭解一下到底說我們的效益是如何那 |
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其實我要講的就是說我們其實我們政府除了要鼓勵對於這個少子化的現狀要去鼓勵生育以外對於我們這些就養生養的環境我們要提供更多的資源所以我們不是說只讓這些這個我們孩子生了之後但是我們整個就養的環境生養的環境造成很多這個父母年輕父母的不便 |
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所以就會影響他整個他生願意生孩子的一個意願所以這個就養跟生養環境的一個重視相關資源的一個資源我希望這個人事總處也要一併的全盤把它考量進去 |
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施法人員工作環境問題施法人員工作環境問題 |
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人壽保險已繳了保險費可作為強制執行的標的這個裁定出爐之後造成我們的民事執行處大塞車案量大爆滿所以造成這些執行處的書記官執行員指達員這些人員完全無法消化這麼大的一個案量 |
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到目前為止人事總處你有沒有去了解過我們尤其是臺北地檢署或者臺北的民事執行處包含這個士林或者新北的這些民事執行處尤其是六都的對相關的案量他們目前大概消化的情況怎麼樣 |
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我這裡也跟委員報告一下事實上總處針對法務部這個區塊我們非常的重視所以我們在今年這個月的9月3號我們有到台北地檢署實際去做一些訪視因為有些 |
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數據資料還有現場的情況我們在總處裡面坦白講沒有辦法感受所以我們今年9月3號就總處有一組人還有外面的專家學者我們一起過去協助他們了解那委員剛才提的就是一個階段性的人力需求這是一種一個是長期性的人力需求這是要從兩個過面來看 |
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法務部檢察署、司法院都有提出最高原額應該修正的需求以院檢現在的原額數量 |
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他有辦法消化這些源源不絕案量的需求嗎?有沒有辦法?雖然你書面資料還沒提供給我以你現在來看可以嗎?我在事實上這個議題齁過去這兩年我們一直在跟法務部對話那我們在這兩年我們給他檢察官助理就是業用的有250位 |
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本身是在處理最近這幾年暴增的詐騙可是我相信透過打詐傷法之後他這個案件量一定會往下走那你如果禁用太多的約聘的這些正職的檢察官助理未來這些人要扮演的角色我覺得就必須要我們要從能力支援的使用上長期來看反而我個人在觀察 |
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雖然一個檢察官他會搭配檢視官還有書記官有一定比例那目前我們掌握到的法務部目前還有550個缺額還沒有補進來我覺得在增加總額之前應該是把你既有的額還沒有用完應該先去用 |
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而且說真的要優先用在檢察官跟檢察事務官因為檢事官他可以協助檢察官去做開庭一些法制方面的這些工作那一般的書記官或檢察官助理沒有這樣的一個授權 |
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委員會主席 |
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就是我們檢察官的緣額或者司法官的緣額是否要考慮他們提出來的需求我們總處這邊能夠滿足他們的需求嗎? |
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我覺得我必須要用兩點來跟委員說明第一個假如我們源頭不減量的話檢察官再增加一倍他也會很超然後如果要增加的話坦白講應該去補充最累的檢察官檢視官而不是去增加檢察官助理因為檢察官助理他這一些routine收集尤其以檢察官助理 |
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案件量剛成立的時候坦白講文件量是很少他不像法官助理一樣他是已經成案的他每一個人在處理雖然都名稱都有助理檢察官助理跟法官助理那是沒工的啦那其實齁 |
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人力要用在刀口上總長你是用很多的資源去用在我們跟你講說檢察事務官去減輕檢察官辦案的壓力但是我們也了解到因為我現在一直重視的是說就是檢察官本身的問題還有司法官本身的問題我們看到還是有很多的檢察官或者司法官辦案辦到過勞然後很多就不幸墜死這種還是層出不窮 |
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委員你的想法跟我一樣要補充的是在司法官跟檢察官不是去補充檢察官助理因為到目前為止還沒有看過哪一個檢察官助理過勞 |
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反而是在檢察官跟司法官應該是要去補充上面的人你這些言語應該就是要補充結果你去補充底下的你就引到風雲去了所以我想我們包含專業選委員我們都是學法律出身的對於說你去約顧這些不管是檢察官處理或者是檢察事務官他的考訓 |
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其實真的這些人對法律的純熟度或者專精度有達到我們的標準嗎這個是我想我們不管是考試院或者這個人事長這邊你們都要去考量的你補足這麼多的人真的能夠確實的讓辦案品質更好嗎 |
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好 謝謝林委員 謝謝蘇人長接下來有請莊委員瑞雄質詢謝謝莊委員 有請我們人事長 有請蘇人事長 |
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委員長 現在我還可以 林市民來開藥方啦那這個藥方到底這個 開下去後有沒有效就不知道啦 但我底下幾個問題要來做一個請教就上個會期裡面 本席也針對體育署的升格 體育部的議題跟你做過請教那今天再來跟你來就教 就是說奧運以後 |
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我們就看到行政院也多次召開這個整個升格的諮詢的一個會議也請了許多學者專家跟選手來做這樣的一個討論那從目前的進度來看的話可以預期體育署的一個升格應該是一個單獨成立一個新的部會 |
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那並不是說跟現有的部會去做合併那也可能不會去取代或可能降編的一個部會但是我們就看到說我們中央行政機關的一個組織法裡面第29條說部之總數14個啦14個而已那這邊已經訂定各個部會的一個總數雖然在99年之前有幾次依據行政院的組織法的一個部會數量變動來配合更動的一個數量但是呢 |
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從上一次主改,行政院決定成立數位部,但同時也將科技部改制為國科會,接下來因應體育署的身格,會有部會因此而受到影響而調整,例如 |
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改制或者併裁還是直接提案修法提高到第15個部 請教我有委員報告 沒整個會議是要修中央行政機關組織集中法跟行政院組織法然後教育部的組織法還有新成立的一個法人我們總共要修4個法修4個法我們沒有裁掉不過我這裡也要跟委員報告一下 |
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參照上次組織的改造,農業部升格料約130億 |
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人事長你對於整個體育部的一個升格、人力的需求這部分你有什麼見解嗎?不是只為升格而升格 |
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其實那個不能用升格的概念而是他們希望是一個全新的部不是用升格的概念升格就是我們來體育署整個書的名字的組並且是這樣但是他們現在整個的功用目前教育部體育相關單位他們整個的功用是要全新一個部會他有新的生命像他有一些運動產業這些相關的有一個新的那一種 |
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這件事對台灣未來的發展很重要 |
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主要的觀念應該是重新設計的概念 而不是一隻肚瀉狠的養大人這樣啦你只要養大人啦 不然你只要改一個名 屬變種部 然後你員額不用去增加嗎 一定要增加的啊員額一定會增加 最重要的他的方式也要增加那當然啦 可是你會碰到一個問題啦 |
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委員會主席 |
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有的地方就會少人那我現在因為我自己現在做職欄的規定我自己很清楚你知道嗎我們大家都樂見看到政府人力投入更多的人力跟資源去幫助這個整個運動產業的一個發展可是我是擔心啊你現在被整個法令給各部會的一個排擠你現在就已經人力在吃緊啊你像這樣你不去再做一個未雨綢繆或你剛才還跟我說那個東西要送給我我要給你怕死 |
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委員會主席 |
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國產署去報案,要農地換約,碰到老百姓他本身的農業保險,或者說他必須有農保的問題,你在台東你占了85%全部都是公有地啊,老百姓要去跟公家來做爹啊,你要做爹,你要換約,說你一定要到現場去看,這個規定是合理啊,可是你卡手就不夠啊,嚴重塞車啊,塞了那麼多年啊,你不去做一個改革啊, |
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國戰署他也請考到給你聽啊有啊那個公務人員特考啊甚至高考啊都舉辦啊然後舉辦了以後怎麼樣舉辦了以後要分發啊比如說人事長你分發台東你想想看我就不在建廠了我去台東我去那邊擺三年如果要離開了同一個課室再換一下變成要綁六年他才可以離開台東到其他的地方去有什麼你來想想看不通的年輕人想想看我要娶老婆還是我要嫁老公呢 |
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委員會主席 |
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人事長,你也倒想一個辦法,不是只有發一個文,國產署他當然有負責任,說好,你碰到農業保險的農保的優先優先你也是沒人啊,我們要有補啊,政府就是要去撈背寫改革問題啊,像台東這樣的一個地區,公有地占了將近90% |
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這要怎麼辦?以現在一般國有成豬農地來看的話,你像6年左右為主流,農民去租用國有地開始去耕種,這個過程裡面你碰到這些災損,對不對?或是農作物的保險,政府說沒有,你要有成豬的,你要有成豬國有地的事實,跟農作物生產,站在農業部的立場很合理啊,但問題就是說,站在農民的立場咧? |
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是你政府沒咳嗽把我弄出來阿所以你們部跟部的政策在打架所以我認為這個沒有趕快去解決不行啦你再看在台東國產署 台東分署那裡那辦署是幾人而已 你知道嗎 查根業務八人審核八人都十六人事長你要想 大巨蛋十公頃啦台東的城主的地的面積差不多一千個大巨蛋這樣啦你把蛋十六個在那裡 |
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當天往返你看看 |
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你說從台北去支援的：或者說你從嘉義、台南去支援的：你去借火車、你去省...我們說的4點多是借最頂級的祖宮河、普悠瑪：4點40分鐘勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾勾� |
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立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議 |
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法定人數不足 |
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他有綠豆 藍芋 我有小琉球 他在觀光 我在墾丁國家公園 阿修琉球 大鵬灣 那地方我都有你原住民我七個 所以地理環境差不多 肚子的衝擊差不多 但是我一去看我就覺得你們這個很不合理阿很不合理阿 沒人阿 政府沒人 你政府沒人要叫我去死 這不對 |
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有補嗎?有沒有方法?有!我委員報告啦!阿你有補?你現在都這樣開始在講?沒有!阿你合調!因為喔!我們的補人就要贏啦!誰不要贏?國產署我們也說說,我們定年11月我們就有去台東去看過,所以我們有 |
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十分之一問在你會堪出一桌白人而已 |
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我會請他過來,然後我們會找國產署大家一起坐下來,來討論一個,阿會請立委員你來主持,這樣好快啦 |
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或許我們的想法不是很完整可是起碼我們會拋一些新的想法比如找那個代書公會做主委來開館嘛因為你人還要經過我不可能經過一個人去提車還要進來差不多要一兩天啦 不會付錢啦這種行政效率喔這個實在是太慢太慢太慢啦怎麼說我簡單說啦就是說你在大特車的時候 |
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你馬上卡到有沒有租約的問題啊所以這個對民眾來講的話不公平我剛才說的就是借廢車給你比較辛苦的借廢機兩個人去只有機票九千四百三十幾塊 |
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委員會主席 |
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今天改過條啦 這個沒有道理我去台東這樣一看 被賴總統派去台東認兩以後我看到的這些問題喔 不是只有觀光的問題啦還有各部會都存在很多問題那也算農業欸 那也不是只有觀光而已農業也大宗欸 大宗 老百姓都很努力啊人家這樣七早八早去討出來 人家也去靜坐要靜坐之後 欸 剛好這種政府應該改過來 你說你沒卡手 |
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我認為這個一個禮拜內,人事長你要跟人家討論就好,可以嗎?一個禮拜?一個禮拜我沒辦法沒有沒有,你不可以沒辦法,這個是長期的問題,沒辦法你叫我一個禮拜我就沒辦法嗯,啊當期大家都坐在那裡等死,這樣才對 |
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我委員報告我非常積極來處理這件事情,這樣可以嗎?你相信啦,總務嘉賓早上現在站起來啦,總務嘉賓你相信我說這樣沒道理你那個問題我們都沒辦法解決耶,地方不是我們執政沒錯啊,但問題是中央,我們欠咳嗽去人家倒咳嗽啊,不會通,一星期,一星期 |
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我來努力啦 |
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我來努力 但是齁 我要拚 但是財政沒去拚 要配合嗎這個是機關政府內部整合的問題 不能把這個不利益推給老百姓啊 這樣不通 我們改改過條 好不好 |
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謝謝專委委員﹚謝謝事務人事長 |
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接下來我們請下一位質詢委員．鍾嘉斌委員主席．在堂委員．先進．列席的政府局幹事長官員．會長公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生．有請人事總處書人事長請人事長 |
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莊委長 人事長早我跟莊委我們都很相宜的我們這個雙東雖然不是苦情姐妹但是命運跟社會所以希望我們這些公務人員的人力的充實尤其中央機關的派出人員一定要想辦法解決問題但是解決問題除了增加員額除了找到人之外還有其他的方法我們共同努力好不好你要跟財政部說的話我們都可以做的來參悟做你的課程這樣好不好好 謝謝好 來我們來看一下 |
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其實不只緣額,緣額要讓馬兒好,就要讓馬兒有草吃啦像我們這個課題黨總預算,那軍公教到底加薪有沒有旺現在我們的總預算被退回啊所以今天你來這邊只有業務報告,連預算報告都沒有,招委排這個也很苦惱來做一個業務報告而已,那你覺得軍公教調薪3%有沒有辦法發 |
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如果真的都遙遙無期最後發的只能按照 |
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明年只能按照今年的水平來發嗎?每年沒通過就是每年每年的假期就是這樣所以就是說每年就沒辦法期待這個價錢啊我是安心給我服務者做 你說好喔公務員調薪人就做那條喔 現在他們就玩樂了因為不只只有公務人員啦 因為很多的一些民間的機構 |
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包括我屏東府的助理,我跟他說軍公教條性我們照例是跟著調的,你看要怎樣?最好的就是以前統計給大家美女可以以前唸的好了,因為就算軍公教沒統計,我美女我給不住,照這三八給我調 |
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那接下來另外一個小問題就是我們現在勞基法剛三讀通過54條勞僱雙方可以協議延後退休那我們公部門也有使用勞基法的人員那公部門有沒有規劃這些人員也有什麼方式可以各機關去協議嗎 有沒有 |
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我委員報告這個問題我們前面有討論過但是這裡面也牽涉到政府機關的還有國營事業的那你們開始著手去 |
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了解了嗎? |
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去徵詢了沒有? |
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有有有有喔? |
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有就好 因為很多公務機關 他們適用立法院的員工 他們很期待的啦是不是您可以承諾一個時間 給我們一個初步的調查的結果我們到各地方機關也去努力一下 有沒有一個方向 要什麼人同意? |
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還是要怎麼做? |
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有風雄嗎?還是開始在想?我們這個拜市的邀請經濟部、交通部、國營事業...我們處理的一部分是...一部分我們處理啦 |
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公務人員 職聘顧 國營事業 |
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我看到今天下午2點你們又請這個卓院長要去主持三期機關的首長的一個AI共識營剛剛有委員關心這個AI啊總統代總統有指示那你們覺得如果總預算目前明年總預算沒有辦法執行對於政府的效能還有你們所謂的輸出AI的用有沒有影響 |
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這個可能會影響到一些部位是編載新興計劃嗎?這個預算明年的明年的新興計劃這個可能AI輸入是不是編載新興計劃我們會延後來辦理啦因為你有什麼過我們就不可能先所以這就是你現在講的AI很重視的AI是屬於新興計劃我們說每年有什麼通過我們就沒辦法做是這樣嗎? |
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主席 |
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我認為那都有機會嘛 你想說你去現場查看以前我們是用人力嘛 所以一日可以去選一兩隻嘛 |
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我如果去善用資訊科技因為我農業部有航測手域我會測量圖嘛然後無人機再會去然後產出的圖資做比對嘛所以滿足民眾的需求有很多種方法每種方法都要用力去想好不好對啊那我再看我們政府有一種服務專項叫1999啦現在1999有時候民眾現在都關係比較重 |
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那都爆滿那現在有的政府打算利用所謂的智能客服就是用AI人工智慧直接讓聊天機器人來面對1999撥打電話的民眾你覺得這可行嗎我覺得可行像美國有些公司他的客服全部都是靠那個智能客服在回應那你剛剛講到的個資外洩剛剛你在提到有委員諮詢說個資外洩那這個過程當中有沒有個資外洩的風險 |
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台北市有民眾發生有學生用1999檢舉老師結果各自外洩呢?老師到時候哪個學生跟他告狀呢? |
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有沒有這個風險要考慮?我覺得這是內部管理的問題而不是整個系統的問題好,但是你們也要預先提防啊什麼人可以去看那些資料應該有一些授權嘛不是大家都可以去看那些資料啊這個其實是流程管理的問題啦我過去常常民眾怒氣沖沖的來找我啦說什麼危險檢舉啦他就問開端的人說要怎麼檢舉 |
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真的有的承辦人還跟他講捏你就假扮出兵趴好館內﹖沒人就把你騙去民眾彼此之間這種檢舉非常傷感情公務機關秉公執法本來就應該連承辦人員在面對這種陰謀守密的檢舉的案件都有可能會洩密了那未來你們再相關用智能克服的就要非常小心管這個資可以嗎 |
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現在我還有一個問題,其實我們AI客服1999其實比較等於固定人他能夠運用電話清楚合理的表達自己的需求找到不管是真人來服務還是聊天機器人用AI客服來幫他服務,他們都能適應現在有些人他還是習慣臨櫃辦理,老大人啦叫他等於講一波講不清楚,我們很多看到過去信用卡的call center就是這樣子啊 |
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辦個信用稿注銷等會公會檢測一定要臨櫃那對於這些沒有辦法適應所謂智能客服的人他臨櫃辦理的時候你們有沒有想過怎麼樣提升他們服務的滿意度我舉例來講好了啦往下看 |
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其實呢 民眾到聽不到啦 他到公務機關去辦理啦溝通出問題啦 或者說公務人員對法規的了解不完整 什麼意思這個是民眾的問題 公務員沒了解你要說什麼第二個是公務員知道他的問題 但是不同的公務員呢 理解有不同的出路來我們舉看看這個例子 這個民眾A跟民眾B問同樣的問題 但是因為問法不同 可能會給到不同的答案 是不是這樣子 |
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有可能吧 包括AI人工智慧也是一樣嘛 你的問句不一樣 答案就可能不一樣嘛好 但是如果民眾同樣的問題 問張三跟李氏兩個不同的承辦人員 臨櫃人員 結果給出不同的答案 這可以嗎 |
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張山公務員跟李氏公務員面對同一個民眾他上週來問遇到張山 張山告訴他怎麼辦下週來問到李氏 李氏說不對要這樣辦當然公務員都用嘴巴講 口頭講啦我常常遇到民眾來陳情 常常跟我說 啊他怎麼說怎麼說我說不會吧 誰跟你說的 他不知道 他這樣說怎麼這樣說 他有笑給你嗎 |
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有可能民眾理解錯誤有可能答詢的公務員認知法令上有不一樣所以造成民眾很混淆那要怎麼去解決?要怎麼改觀?我認為可以訴求一種方式 |
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一般的民眾去臨過的時針,他用語音輸入的時候,那個就是公務員的螢幕就跑出來這個文字,然後這個文字再檢視一下,講一下讓他聽,到最後沒問題,引出來,選名一個,簽一個名,他找回去,他找回去讓那些白人再問一次,這樣才有一個依據啦 |
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主席 |
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對於同樣的問題的答案應該是同樣的這第一個 第二個同樣的答案確認過之後 輸出給民眾解釋給他聽他聽得懂聽不懂 其次至少他拿著這一張得到的答案他可以再問其他的人好不好 可以這樣做嗎那應該是請事務部來的人事總處你在推動AI導入你們這樣的共識 你要把這個東西講出去啊有時候AI不只是處理民眾的問題 |
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AI也是要統整我們公務人員對法令理解一致性的問題 |
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報個案只會拿三年單回來造勢車禍紀錄填寫 起來都生也都沒所以這個部分你要求我們的公務員現場紀錄很辛苦有沒有什麼方式可以減輕這些現場我們這個員警執勤同仁的負擔不要讓他耗費太多時間在這文書作業但是又能讓民眾可以拿到完整的說明 可以嗎 |
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其實這件事有拜託檢證署張署長現在先22個縣市每一個縣市先找5個點來示範因為就是因為現在已經輸入也是很普遍而且正確率也蠻高的那事實上我們有推估過那個報案時間跟整個報案時間大概由原來的兩個多鐘頭可以收到所以已經在推了已經在示範了我不知道那個進度我們來問一下 |
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政府的資安專職人員嚴重不足 |
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我想這個問題都普遍啦 |
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中央跟地方不只是資安專職人員因為是找不到人怎麼對應這是一種有緣額但找不到人司法官也是一樣有緣額找不到人那解決的方法有緣額不足的我們有提供額外的緣額有辦法整決過勞的問題最後找不到人的單位不管你是給他法官助理檢察官助理檢察事務官檢查這些終究要找到人那人事總處要協助用人機關 |
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也在辦強迫請他們不只是要原額,給了原額之後要把需要的人找到,可以嗎?想出解決方案。我們一直都跟法務部跟司法院在溝通這個事。好,要不要我們趙偉這邊安排一個大家聯席來研究一個方案。不要說他們都沒人沒人,沒人有兩種,一種是沒原額,一種是有給你原額你找沒人。 |
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謝謝鍾嘉賓委員接下來請審發會委員質詢 |
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主席我們請人事長好請蘇人事長委員長人事長早安今天早上很多委員大家大概都針對這個有關 |
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AI的部分來跟我們這個這個人事總處來做溝通那事實上看起來現在這個因為我們這個賴總統的宣誓還有我們這個行政院組委員長的一些這個上位計畫現在使得我們人事總處變成我們這個政府推動AI智能的這個提升的一個核心的單位對不對 |
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我跟委員報告那個主要人總在退的時候我們都有請數位發展部一起進來因為因為這樣政府的協同的腳步會一致因為這個有好幾個層次那就政府政府本身尤其是公務人員對這是我們主體我們主責對你們的核心業務這個 |
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這個賴總統也多次他多次提到說這個現在齁要讓每一位每一位首長每一位公務人員大家都具備人工智慧的知能這是賴總統的目標 |
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我看這個我們卓院長他在520宣誓就職的時候他就宣誓說自己是行動AI創新內閣具體的在6月6號我們行政院就核定了一個提升行政院公務人員人工智慧資能實施計畫對不對 |
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提升行政院公務人員人工智慧知能實施計畫整個計畫大概有五大內容包括高階人才的AI共識營包括AI推動食物種子人員的課程 |
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包括公務人員AI通識課程另外還有公務機關運用AI工作坊以及公務機關AI應用成果競賽我看這整個大概這個人工智慧智能實施計畫大概就這五大工作重點其中有三個重點是我們人種的工作對不對 |
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有關這個公務機關運用AI工作坊跟這個公務機關AI應用成果計畫這個是競賽這個是屬於抒發部其他三個都是我們人總的業務對不對好所以我就 |
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因為這樣子所以我就來檢視說我們齁這三個我們人種的重要的工作在這個提升這個人工智慧智能實施計畫裡面我們人種的重要工作應該最重要工作就是這三個目標啦齁就是就是高階人才的AI共事營跟這個AI推動食物種子人員課程跟這個公務人員AI的通識課程對不對這是這三個工作嘛齁那我們來一一檢視啦齁 |
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有關這個高階人才AI共識營我們現在辦過了首長部會首長的共識營對不對要辦過副首長的共識營那接下來是要辦三級機關 |
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三期機關首長今天下午要辦今天下午要辦今天下午好那這個辦理的目的那跟AI計劃他本身我這樣看這辦這個共識營很好但是有一個問題就是說這個看起來你們這個辦這個共識營你們沒有KPI你們沒有定說你們這個到底要達成什麼樣的核心目標我跟委員報告一下 |
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關鍵績效指標沒有共識營的部分我們其實我們進版共識營第一個就是先解決知道知不知道會不會需要三個層次的問題接下來好像你們還要辦科長級以上的總值人才認證班對不對你們大概估計的期程跟人數大概是多少 |
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我們今年會辦一起先來示範看示範好今年要看因為相關部會36個36個我們部會這麼多科長你們才36個我委員報告 |
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人事總署辦的是對業務單位找人來,然後數位發展部辦的是找資訊人員來辦,因為我們有分工,我們有分工好,沒關係,你一期讓你示範看看啦,示範看看,但是我是認為課長中央部會這麼多課長,你辦第一期好像36個人,我是覺得太少啦 |
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有關AI實務總指援員課程的部分在這裡大概要請教就是說你們這些課程我看了你們很多的計畫尤其是應用趨勢幾十座課程的部分 |
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我看你們這個這個你們這些計畫你們有沒有納入這個機關自己辦的教育訓練這個部分是不是在納入你們計畫的時候各機關自辦的還是你們這個計畫只是你們自己辦的 |
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我跟委員報告我們有分兩個區塊人事總署辦的是屬於通案型的應用通案型的我賣出的是會議紀錄自動化啦還是相關法規還是大家補費都會用到我們偏向這一種共用型的那各個機關你想環境部也好他們就自己辦他們自己跟業務相關的我先問啦齁您應用趨勢及實作課程你們預計辦理多少場 |
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總處 運用趨勢及時做課程的部分我們也是六班 辦理六班嗎 |
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委員會主席 |
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有這個行政院所屬機關有推動公務人員終身學習的實施要點也就是說我們公務人員有學習時數的要求對不對20秒鐘我看你們這個辦法裡面你們有一個行政院在112年12月26日有一個函就是說這20個小時裡面學習時數其中10個小時 |
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就是好像必修的啦齁你都說20但是有10件事你要必修必修包括當前政府重要政策環境教育民主價值課程性別平等連政府的服務倫理人權教育轉型正義行政中立多元族群公民參與我在你們網站上面看到這個也你們列出也全部都列出來了 |
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那我們AI有沒有可能納入進那幾個月你會把它納進來會把它納進這個10個小時之內變成必修課程我們現在還在檢討是加入這裡盡量就是來調整把AI會加在這10小時裡面加在這10小時裡面它會變成必修課程中的一個選擇一個選項這個部分就是說就是本席這個要特別在這裡 |
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接下来 |
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還有一個就是說我們是不是能夠將AI的公務人力納入這個我們的這個元額評鑑的重點我們按照這個從101年開始每辦理每兩年都辦理一次元額評鑑對不對我們現在是113年的元額評鑑所以我們下一次的元額評鑑計畫是115年開始的對不對 |
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有沒有可能把這個這個納入這個把AI的這個這個運用吼納入我們的這個言語評鑑也一定會因為我們今年113年已經有幾個場次我們就是請AI畫面領域的專家跟我們一起去做言語評鑑 |
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這個部分因為我們原本的這個有關這個原額評鑑的重點裡面我們評鑑重點裡面原本有一個這個內部一級單位的這個業務盤點本來有提到業務數位資訊化的情形 |
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這一定要的 |
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這個我簡單講啦我整理一下我今天整個要求啦我希望人事總署能夠能夠予以回應啦就是說第一個就是我們AI計畫這個整個新的這個AI計畫他的這個成效齁要定期的盤點可以嗎好好定期盤點第二個就是把AI齁列入這個公務公務員的這個學習必修課程這個你剛剛答應了嘛齁四小時以內大概什麼時候會修改這個這個這個 |
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第三個就是要這個把這個AI納入我剛剛所講的115年度的這個這個元額評鑑的計畫裡面應該要把AI納入好不好可以好謝謝謝謝人事長好謝謝沈委員你的茶杯也謝謝蘇人事長接下來請副總召昆齊委員 |
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主席請人事長好請人事長那請會長工作人員今天好像大家總召請幫委員水杯注一下這個人事長你了不了解整個國家運作的體制最重要的就是有這麼多廣大的公務人員讓整個機器能夠轉動能夠讓所有 |
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公務人員是非常非常重要的國家的骨幹本期先請教一下文竿制度的建立非常不容易公務人員是效忠人民效忠國家 |
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是不是一定是要效忠人民跟國家都要效忠謝謝所以啊這個本期看到這兩天有個新聞蠻熱鬧的就是以後的將領未來啊都要到總統府去啊李政站好跟賴清德總統高呼總統好要宣誓效忠元首這個而且都不能坐著一定要站著 |
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對這個新聞你有什麼看法我沒有在現場我們都不在現場但我們都有看到這個新聞我不曉得在現場看到新聞那是不一樣的事沒有關係那如果新聞屬實的話是怎麼樣我覺得因為沒有在現場我就不方便做根本所以有的時候本席在這裡特別請教你這個問題也知道你會這樣回答 |
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保官要命文官體制沒有這麼重要但是保官要命所以人事長我想請教一下我們這麼多的公務員經過國家考試層層的檢核還有年資每一年都要考核是加等還是移等 |
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一步一腳印慢慢慢慢的才得到晉升的機會但是現在我們感覺這國家整個文官體制的趨勢已經不再正向的發展已經不斷的傾斜可能未來到底是要效忠元首效忠政黨還是效忠國家效忠人民 |
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請問一下這個109年有推動過一個約聘僱人員聘約人員這個人事條例草案這個當了三年的約聘僱人員幾乎就有相關的這些職稱職務固然109年有推過 |
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有沒有成功?我報告委員這個是全序部他在草擬的本來有在草擬後來就是大家意見還沒有非常一致所以整個計劃也非常客氣喔意見沒有一致現在人總的立場支持這樣的案子 |
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那個市長阿 |
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所以說不需要考試進來的都是在比較高階的部分政務派任的部分那個已經學有專精有專長我們國家目前是有這個制度本來就在推行所以有政務次長的派任甚至政務部長的派任以及行政院長的派任這都是國家的用人權那我們都尊重但是基層的聘約人員吶 |
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可以任滿3年就有所謂的職稱職務這個人事長如果你覺得這樣也是合理嗎 |
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業聘雇人員目前的規定是一年一聘那三年以後轉身分我倒是覺得這個大家可能沒有辦法接受啦好 謝謝啊這個人事長終於講一句腰桿比較挺直的話 |
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本現在這裡希望我們的口譯歌不要再現一天到晚都有口譯歌當時109年在推動這個品月人員人事條例就是要把所有的這些讓我們的國家所有的這些首長變成慣老闆 |
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我要用誰就用誰連基層的整個骨幹的體制都要來動搖所以以後只要奉承上意就可以不需要經過國家考試這會把我們整個國家的制度會破壞掉所以我想人事長這個部分要請你一定要堅持現在本席要請教一下我們的最低工資審議委員會跟軍公教員工待遇審議委員會基本上有多大的不同 |
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我們經公教大藝審議委員會基本上我們參議的大概會中央機關還有地方機關還有一些專家寫者進來我們只是提整個條新的一個參考讓行政院因為行政院本身要去考慮到物價指數的問題經濟成長力的問題還有GDP的問題還有民間薪資的range還有 |
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勞工的這個部分 |
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我想我們最低工資審議委員會啊都有納入基層的勞工的代表 |
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對於軍公教員工待遇審議委員會目前一直都沒有基層員工的這些代表是不是我們可以把他納入讓未來的考量能夠更周延更完整可以嗎 |
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我非常支持總召的想法事實上我們最近就是在研擬條帶的法制化這裏面有納入基層的公跟教法制化是非常的重要為了調新法制化是非常的重要國家的骨幹 |
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這些軍公教人員撐起整個國家的所有的他的組織他的制度他的施行服務全國的鄉親未來這個整體的薪資調整本席建議以民生物價指數作為最主要的參考指標把它法制化以後我想未來條件就不再是一個恩給 |
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執政者想要做就做 不想做就不做這樣子既不公平也不公開 也沒有透明 都會黑箱啊 什麼時間到了 什麼進討稿啊 這個四年一任選舉到了 又開始開支票啊 加薪啊等等這個都不是國家之福 不管誰執政都是一樣 |
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所以本席認為應該要把它法制化以後時候到了就是調該調整就調整不要是變成一個大家可能講這個恩給制度這個皇恩浩蕩現在要調整了這個都是不應該的我想這個部分請這個人事長做一個參考另外當然本席會追蹤接下來就是這個六都跟非六都只等不同的問題 |
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這一造成所有這些非六都的地方要如何留才如何留住人才啊固然有一個國家考試有一個綁六年啊還有綁三年或是六年但是呢在偏鄉地區啊往往就是啊我們培養了很多的公務員在這裡他學會了也懂了時間到了就走了 |
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都要往六都走為什麼我們在基層最重要的骨幹就是科長級縣市政府為科長級鄉鎮叫課長這些都是最主要在執行地方自治所有的這些最重要的這些公職人員但是呢現在這個職等不同啊這個人事長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7249.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
請問 同職不同等 同工不同從 這樣子可以為偏鄉留住人才嗎 請回答 |
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| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
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我非常認同總召的看法事實上我們過去這幾年也有跟情緒部組成工作圈我們在解決這個問題或許也不如總召想的一次把所有的都改可是我們是採一個區段一個區段像以前的縣政府的科長是八指等後來我們就調為八到九 |
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建議 盡量讓地方的 |
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副主觀地方政府一級單位這些副主觀能夠跨觀等提早受訓這樣的話也為地方培育更多儲備的人才但是呢本席知道你從八到九指等但是呢這個還是不夠明確還是要讓地方的這些留在偏鄉的這些人才 |
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能夠知道他未來還是有發展的潛力願意留在那裡不然的話真正是同工不同酬同職不同等 |
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謝謝總召 謝謝人事長 |
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平東 臺東 花蓮 雙東姊妹花接下來請翁委員小林質詢主席好謝謝委員長人事長請人事長 |
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好 人事長我今天我雖然沒有來現場聆聽您的口頭報告但是我有認真的讀了您所提出來的業務報告那麼在這次的業務報告裡面其實我有關心幾個議題然後正好您在報告裡面有提所以我現在就想要來就教有關於就是您在業務報告裡面提到的涉及到像是組織精簡 |
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還有公職律師等等的這個問題那麼首先我想來講的就是說在您這個這次業務報告的第一個重點就是提到未來我們的政府機關可能會要再多增加幾個增加幾個部或是專責機關那麼我的PVT麻煩下頁像是這個 |
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有可能會成立體育部還有各自保護委員會的籌備處其實已經也都在進行那未來可能會成立各自保護委員會還有現在政府也可能會提出要成立新著名的專責機構以及國家語言研究發展中心這個行政法人那我想請問的就是說當 |
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現在政府或是有其他的這個民間的呼籲說要成立這些新部會在這個新部會成立他勢必會影響到我們政府機關的整個組織架構人員的增加員額增加經費也會增加那請問人事長您對於像 |
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這幾年我們陸陸續續做機關組織的調整增加這麼多的部會或是改變部會的從部改成會或從會改成提升成為部那這部分您的看法是什麼您認為這個跟我們這個政府接下來的人事的緣額會不會產生重大的影響我們經費的支出就想聽聽看您的意見 |
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謝謝委員這個議題事實上我們整個組織在調整事實上是因應整個社會還有國際歧視在調整像各自成立委員會就大概七八年前 |
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歐盟那裡有成立GDPR然後我們為了以他們接軌所以我們也成立了各支籌備委員會現在是成立籌備處的一個階段它本身是一個獨立機關大概介於有一點類似燕能會的這一種組織的結構 |
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那體育發展部大概這幾年大概也知道臺灣在運動賽事方面對在整個表現都非常好那我們也希望說從另外一個角度如何提供全民更好的一個運動的環境還有健康的體魄從這個角度來會成立一個部那至於新住民的這個部分是大院才是要求要成立一個專者機關的部分 |
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其實我的問題在於說依照現在行政院的組織法裡面行政院組織法裡面有明定我們就是有14個部應該是14個部8個會是不是14個部9個會那麼未來要怎麼樣去做調整呢是又要再把某個部又拉下來改成會嗎 |
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如果說按照你們現在講的整個人力的管理是要以當增則增因減則減的原則那麼當你的人力增加之後你哪些要減呢我覺得這個問題非常好現在目前的一個規劃會成立一個 |
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委員會議員 |
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我們會在這個範圍內去做移動的概念,它不是競爭家,因為這一個新的部位它有競爭家,一樣我們也會定期透過兩年一次的延合評鑑去減少,有些業務一定會有消,有漲嘛。是的,我了解這個情況,但是就是說以我們看到之前速發部的成立, |
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其實它基本上已經也佔用了我們目前就是之前的不少的員額那現在要再成立一個體育部當然本人是支持成立體育部但是就說在整個的整體國家的總員額 |
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調整的部分,它原額數到底要增加還是在維持現狀情況之下,在其他機關的部分做人力的刪減,我覺得這個都是涉及到整個國家的整體的發展。我們知道其實現在這個很多公務員叫苦連連,覺得這個他們的工作負擔都很大了。 |
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如果說未來因應好幾個部會要新成立然後因此必須要去讓別的機關不能夠再禁用原額這我覺得它會是個大問題所以我希望說人事長這裡可能要提出一個就是整個國家未來的原額的調整 |
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公職律師 |
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本席在上禮拜五的總諮詢裡面其實我有特別提到有關於NCC編列的訴訟費用過高因為業者不滿NCC所做的處分所以紛紛提起行政訴訟那它的訴訟費用夏年度還編了800多萬前兩年還有超過上千萬的訴訟費用 |
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所以由這個角度來看,似乎NCC,譬如說它內部就真的要去聘請個公職律師可能會比編列預算去付這麼高的訴訟費用都要來的經濟那我想請教就是,我們律師法修正通過增加公職律師,那麼人事總處這邊有去了解目前到底有哪些機關有設置公職律師嗎? |
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目前健保署有提出來偵測兩名公職律師其他都沒有目前還沒有提出來因為他們可能要評估然後要修編制表 |
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所以我認為說這個部分的話其實人事總處這裡其實也可以去了解一下各機關的需求然後而且要特別將這個一些機關他們浪費人民的納稅錢編了很多的公帑去支應訴訟費用的這件事情這些機關都要去考慮他們未來是不是要增設公職律師那這部分的話可能希望人事長這邊也要去了解目前公職律師的經用狀況還有為什麼 |
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沒有人願意要來當公職律師另外一個有在評估政策公職律師就是國防部因為他有很多的那個法務部他自己本身的法律專業的人才就很多了這個我倒是不需要 |
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好沒關係那接下來我還有另外一個問題這也是跟公務人員的福利有關的我們知道其實現在台灣已經進入到高齡化的時代根據最新的統計就是2025年之後台灣每5個人就有一個人是65歲的老年人口 |
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已經進入到超高齡社會那進入到這樣超高齡社會的時代裡面我們就必須考慮到就是公務人員他可能這個也必須要奉養父母親那我知道現在我們有世親假但是呢我們世親假是留職停薪就不像是育嬰假育嬰假的話還可以照顧小孩請申請育嬰假有留職給薪這個還可以有八成薪 |
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那麼所以在這樣的一個情況之下我本席是認為說也要考慮到我們時代在改變我們整個的社會的狀況然後照顧年老的父母親其實也是公務員的作為子女的一個很重要的責任所以是不是有可能可以要修法將這個釋清價 |
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沒有留職停薪的補助 |
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我想委員的建議會長因為這一個適性假如果是要留職給薪的話必須要考慮到我們跟勞工的很平性的問題那我們現在有做一個大概有不少機關的同仁都有去使用就是說我們上下班有彈性上班 |
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那個是不一樣的概念啦我知道當然是不一樣的概念可是當這個制度要做比較大的變革的時候我們要考量的因素就比較多可是我這裡答應委員我們會跟程序部在協調的所以希望人事長是不是可以也是大概一個月可以給我提一個報告出來就是針對就是市清價如何改善然後要比照育嬰價 |
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主席主席 |
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8060.087 |
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好 謝謝翁委員 謝謝蘇人士長兩個月提一個書面報告給我們翁委員接下來有請吳思瑤委員質詢那麼並在陳俊宇委員質詢後我們休息好 謝謝主席 有請人事長有請蘇人士長 |
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8073.37 |
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8099.346 |
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請主席早日康復早日康復謝謝人事長今天兩個主題就教於您好下一頁您服務公職非常久的時間我特別知道您好像一路從財政部從考試院從研考會然後一路到人事總處來服務嗎大概也幾十年的時間對不對 |
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在您擔任公務體系的不論是在哪一個部會單位有曾經發生過總預算案被擋下來的經驗嗎? |
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印象中好像是沒有印象中沒有甚至有人說2008年民進黨有擋下這事實上就沒有嘛2008年的時候民進黨只有27席不會也不可能擋下中央政府總預算案 |
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而今年我們碰到的挑戰是不只是院會被擋下退回成委會現在是連程序委員會是史上第一次破天荒國家政府總預算案關乎人民的福祉關乎國家的建設連程序委員會第一關排案掛號的權利都被剝奪了 |
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而當中的新興計劃就高達2050兩千餘億不能辦理新興計劃跟這個新增預算那跟您主管的部會裡頭影響最大的是哪一條 |
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所以您公務同仁您公務體系30多年的經驗第一次發生這樣的狀況下業 |
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其實中央編列的是222億包括122是中央支付90億是補助地方縣市政府10億是補助鄉鎮市政府所以加起來是222億 |
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如果說聯同這個條新能夠發放各縣制政府另外有一個50億的配合的補助換言之是如您剛講的272億但是跟中央政府總預算案相關的是222億我也覺得非常遺憾 |
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這個週末教師節剛過我看到不分黨派的立委尤其在野黨的委員大家也都在臉書社群上PO出祝福老師教師節快樂我們爭取老師的福祉會越做越多結果擋下了軍公教包括老師3%調薪的方案那您現在做什麼努力呢?這麼大條? |
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我就是心裡默默期待可以進入到那個實質的預算審查其實人事長您是非常有經驗我知道你這段時間也不斷的去穿梭各黨的委員的辦公室就是要讓各黨的委員都知道不要為了 |
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對抗不同政黨之間的不同意見而造成服務國家的軍公教人員的權益受到傷害我剛剛看到好多委員都要求你們趕快把軍公教條新的法制化提出來 |
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那很多委員還說因為要法制化才可以確保擴大照顧公務體系因為要法制化才可以避免公務人員調薪成為這個長官看長官臉色或者是一種恩己的制度其實我要挑戰這種說法一個國家要照顧我們的公務體系的同仁們有很多要審酌的 |
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條件狀況他不會是看誰的臉色也不會是恩己事我相信蔡英文總統賴清德總統連4條而且今年是首度也是史上第一次吧連續兩年都調應當是史上第一次吧 |
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所以回到制度 現在已經有一個設置要點 也就是我們組成的審議委員會有一個設置要點已經有可以參裁 已經相對有一套制度了 |
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那未來是不是要法制化我尊重你們的言議因為它的面向非常的廣要參酌的指標指數非常的多我個人也認為不需要為快而快現在沒有所謂的 |
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委員所說的要法制化才能調心並沒有嗎目前沒有法制化可是經濟發展有成果稅客收入有成長我們就想方設法來照顧公務同仁不是嗎不需要為快而快來周詳的來研議這是我的立場好下一頁 |
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那這幾年來我說的軍公教員工有待遇審議委員會有你們的要點可以參採以今年調薪當然就看到你們7月18的審議結果很具體的就是如同我說的他必須符合各項財經的指標是正向的發展因為政府拼經濟有成今年呢113年經濟成長率達到3.94較去年增加2.66個百分點 |
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然後預估消費者物價指數的年增率也因為拼經濟有成增加了2.07所以民間的薪資跟基本的工資也正向的成長所以在這些條件之下我們願意用國家的預算讓軍公教的待遇來調整全民共享經濟發展的紅利 |
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我以這一頁我要說的就是現行的機制是一個員工待遇的審議委員會未來要改良要擴編我也樂觀其成但是所有的指標都應當回到一個理性可行的方案我希望未來納入你們法制化的研議真的不需要因為 |
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政治的壓力為快而快我很擔心制度要讓他非常的嚴謹跟完整這是我的提醒當然我也要呼籲當我們在野黨的委員這麼大聲疾呼的要照顧軍公教的待遇要求將條新法制化的同時就應當想想現在222億還被擋住 |
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照顧軍公教不需要捨盡求遠趕快讓預算能夠進入審查這才是照顧軍公教待遇的具體行動您同意我的觀點吧我們繼續強化遊說好嗎 |
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所以您當時百味雜陳我們繼續加油好嗎來下一頁 |
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我長期在倡議的公務體系的心理價我們希望在現有的10種價別之外來增加一個心理價而我也多次論述心理價不是只有放假本身他是一個在EAP的方案之外能夠讓我們接住心靈健康需要我們關懷的公務同仁下一頁 |
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那也謝謝您您正面的回應我您個人支持人事總處會努力來推進但是在你們4月跟全序部合開的研商公務人員請假規則的這個會議上是不是全序部有不同的意見對不對 |
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我這裡要說明一下我在3月6號事實上我是完全支持委員的想法因為目前很多公務同仁都會有心理上的障礙有時候是顯性有時候是隱性的那這些人事實上也是被需要照顧的疫情而且是在我們所謂的EAP的範疇裡面那 |
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這就是我下面要來說的下一頁 |
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在這場會議上全序部的意見說公務員請假會影響服務民眾的品質我想這個理由 |
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請假是公務同仁的權利一個運作良好的政府也不應當因為公務員某人請假而影響服務民眾的品質所以他並不成立 |
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循序部的意見就您剛講也是我最在意的循序部的同仁居然還認為心理架式有標籤化的疑慮怕被濫請或者是該請的人不敢請這就是我們要推動我們要突破的困境不要讓心理健康調適架成為一個被汙名化被妖魔化被不健康的認知這就是我要挑戰的 |
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來下一頁下一頁下一頁我很快的再給您信心我去年質詢您的時候那個時候有43所46所大學已經有心理假其實早在吳思瑤開始默默的很寂寞的在立法院優先倡議一開始只有2022年兩校2023年15校到今年已經成長到126校下一頁 |
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教育部也跟上來向下延伸至高中值就是今年8月已經全面教育部大突破也都有全方位的學生身心調適假下一頁 |
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蔡總統推動的五大健康行動方案年輕族群的心理健康支持方案也擴大到下一頁賴清德總統在健康台灣裡頭從原本15到30歲的心理諮商再擴大到15到45歲每年三次我們預算變更多就是我們面對在現在高壓的生活社會樣態之下心理健康需要國家的支持下一頁 |
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所以我希望我們不要放棄不要放棄心理架不是只有放不放架本身它對於我們我下一次會跟您探討EAP我們台灣公務體系的EAP做得夠不夠到位如果都到位如果也許心理架可以放到後面但如果EAP不夠到位 |
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那我認為心理家就不應當因為一次的會議被打回票之後我們就放棄努力就像我們的國家政府總預算案一次被退我們不會放棄繼續遊說是一樣的我們要擴大照顧公務同仁的心理健康我們持續來努力好嗎好辛苦了謝謝謝謝主席 |
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謝謝施堯幹事長 謝謝蘇委員接下來請陳委員均與質詢 質詢完畢後我們休息5分鐘 也跟吳釗緯報告一下 |
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好 首先先敬祝我們主席健康平安 早日康復好 謝謝陳委員那我們有請我們人事長好 請人事長 |
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委員早 人事長早 人事長我想我們人事總處所掌管的這個政府的相關業務包括這個公部門的人力規劃培訓福利等等那對於我們政府整體的這個施政效能以及公務員的工作條件密切相關尤其我們看到這個軍公教的待遇連續 |
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兩年調整這也是我們人總來主導審議的這剛剛也聽我們人事長已經報告了那我們也期待明年度的這個總預算能夠盡早實質的來審查不要影響到公務員的權益當然我們人總要照顧的不只是軍公教還有整個公務體系的工作夥伴因此想針對這個測量助理待遇的調整問題來和我們人事長做一個探討 |
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之前在本席的選區宜蘭縣有接獲到在地的這個測量助理團體來向我陳情那全國有2000多位的我們這個測量助理員他們的年功享多年來都沒有被調整過而且這個已經反映多年了那平常在進行外請的工作的時候 |
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還得負重上山下海其實相當的辛苦我相信我們人事長您也應該可以認同但是長期在薪資難以發展的環境已經嚴重打擊到測量助理員的工作士氣而我想這個案子 |
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我們人總這邊應該也研議了一段時間也經過相當多的這個單位諸多的討論我想請教人事長就是對於測量助理員的這個待遇調整目前推動的進度為何 |
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我這裡跟委員報告一下那個內政部在今年的7月9號有函報行政院那按照我們的標準週月程序我們會會相關的機關不過這個案子我跟委員報告大概我們目標大概11月15號以前會把他簽出來那 |
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當然目前的訴求是調2000到5000之間那至於調額多少我想我們會尊重相關機關大概我們也支持往上調至於調補多少我們要尊重相關機關的意見那整個時程我們希望10月15號今天9月30我們希望大概兩個禮拜左右要把這個案子給 |
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那我們大概10月15號把這個案子把他final然後生肖日期一樣也會在明年的1月1號明年1號就是確定可以核定 |
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這個整個結果就對了對這兩的工作會的部分這兩工作會就是我們現在訴求是2000往上調嘛那調補多少我坦白講我我們現在還在收斂的階段那是不是我們說真的這個人總沒有辦法來決定他final的調補那人事長我想請教為什麼不針對這個年功享的部分來做調整 |
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年功享的部分我們有算過有一些年資比要漲的你年功享去變動的話反而他那幾年就沒有辦法領到年功厚反而會造成他的實質收益實質守得會降低有跟他們溝通過因為你年紀大一點說這個你到年功厚的話你可以獎金有兩個月 |
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目前我們就是針對工作 |
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工作會的部分10月15號2000到5000還不確定那10月15號可以有一個的金額是多少然後生效日明年1月1號好那這個就請我們人事總書這邊能夠積極加速來辦理那我們也會持續來追蹤我希望透過 |
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這個比較合理的待遇的調整能夠讓我們公部門留住人才也可以激勵我們相關這些測量助理員的一個工作士氣這個部分再拜託謝謝委員一直持續在關注這個議題我們會在下個月15號以前會把它簽出來我們就靜待好消息謝謝謝謝委員那另外就提到這個待遇提升的合理化 |
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也是這個人種設定的重點施政策略之一那這邊我想就這個公務公教員工的這個地域家籍之籍的這個制度來救教我們人事長那對於公教人員 |
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到這個較為偏遠地區的服務還有地理環境和交通狀況比較艱困那政府應該考慮這個各服務地點的差異來給予相應而且合理的加級而我們行政院對各機關學校這個公教員工 |
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地域加級合理化調整的方案至109年實施到今年也即將滿5年的實施期程我想請教人事長合理化的方案執行情形是否有符合預期的效益為何只有部分的地方政府願意採用合理化的方案 |
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我想會議使用這個合理化方案基本上就是有些有城鄉落差,就是像你像屏東,然後恆春,事實上我們從屏南到屏北要兩點往前嘛 |
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有些像滿洲鄉有些比較偏僻的地方他們覺得用合理化方案會比較有幫助連澎湖澎湖他也是最近才加入合理化方案目前總共有8個縣市加入合理化方案事實上 |
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這個也就是說在原有的第一佳級裡面我們給地方政府多一個選項就是傳統我們在定義的就是離車站或者公車站牌多遠還有那個海拔的高度還有離島我們會設定這一些然後給予不同的一個佳級 |
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除了這個以外我們在意新興因為總是還要考慮到他整個財政規劃的問題因為除了中央補助以外當合理化方案施行到一個階段他本身地方政府的財政也要能夠來做cover |
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合理化方案實施已經5年的時間,我們是不是應該也要啟動檢討評估的機制,包括是否有降低流動率,成功留住人才,讓人才持續在地服務,也考慮到各縣市政府的財政狀況的不一樣。 |
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我們也要有多面向的這個評估並且因為這個時空環境的因素合理化方案的內容也必須與時俱進的來做檢討那我想請教我們人事總處預計何時能夠邀集中央跟地方政府來 |
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會商檢討以及我們接下來對於在地加級的合理化應該如何來精進這個人事長您可不可以大概說明一下謝謝委員 事實上我們在這個月的9月13號就已經召集相關 |
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委員提的也非常 |
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我還是希望我們人總能夠持續積極來辦理 |
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讓這個加擠相關制度能夠更貼近真實的情況也讓我們到偏遠地區服務的這些公務人員都能夠獲得合理的待遇我相信這是大家所期待的那另外我想再請教我們人事長就是在上個會期上個會期在第一週的時候我有針對這個五一 |
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勞動節的部分是否可以來全國一致性的休假當時這個人事長您也非常這個樂意的來回應針對這個部分我們會進行相關的檢討那當時因為 |
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這個時間非常緊迫我們期待在今年五一可以實施後來也這個落空沒有辦法這個如期來執行當然我們在期待是明年的五一是不是可以這個確定全國一致性的來放假那在我們人總所發送的這個行事曆的裡面看到五一還是黑字的 |
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所以我想請教就這個人事長對於明年五一勞動節我們目前規劃是不是可以全國一致性的放假 |
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謝謝委員這個問題我想明年五一的這個放假的基本上他的前提應該在內政部他有一個假日及忌廉日實施辦法他要去修改那修改完以後再送過來我們再去更新他的前期是這樣那我想我們也一樣在等內政部的他們整體的一個評估考量 |
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好那這個部分我們人事長您這邊我們人總沒辦法跟他有一個內部的溝通嗎? |
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聽起來普遍應該全國我們所有的這些勞工階級的這些民眾都是期待能夠統一無一就是放假所以我還是期待我們人事長可以跟內政部這邊表達我們這個意思 |
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那當然我們也透過內政部的相關質詢來質詢內政部我希望說大家有一個共識共同來朝這個目標來前進可不可以 |
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我事實上是完全因為這裡面會有兩個議題一個內政部的節日及節日實施辦法另外一個是在89年6月30號大宴做一個才是公務人員的一個請假的我們一年的假大概是115到116有一個附帶結議基本上我們現在就是一個是尊重大宴在89年6月30號的這個結議第二個就是內政部 |
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當這兩個都已經解開了以後我覺得會有各種可以討論的空間好那這部分還是請我們人總這邊積極來溝通因為五一勞動節我還是強調五一勞動節當天沒有全國一致性放假會造成許多這個階層的這個混亂的情況你現在像孩子 |
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好 謝謝陳委員 謝謝蘇人事長 現在我們休息5分鐘 |
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好 我們繼續開會 那麼現在有請吳昭偉中線委員質詢好 謝謝主席那我們麻煩人事長有請人事長昭偉早 |
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人事長早 人事長首先先請教老問題就是假官助理法制化之後那你在這邊可不可以簡單說明一下到底會不會排擠到總額 |
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我跟委員報告一下 檢察官助理這次的修法裡面他有特別提到聘用跟業用檢察官如果是業用檢察官就不會排擠到延額 如果是聘用的檢察官就會排擠到延額主要差別在這裡 讓他在使用上有彈性 |
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法務部長前一天我有跟他談到這個部分那這可能就再麻煩你們多幫忙看能夠讓法務部怎麼樣運作上面能夠更順利一點好不好因為這個問題上個會期已經問過好幾次我跟詹委員報告大概目前大概他們已經有已經用了250位的業用的檢察官助理了 |
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那未來到底要用多少是要用業用的還是聘用的我想我們也尊重法務部那因為他跟打詐有關所以這個部分可能就要麻煩你否則這個6900的上限這其實很快就會用完了 |
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我現在請教下一個問題其實這也都是一個長期的問題那其他的委員也都有問過我想請教一下就是說人事長目前我們國家到底是依據什麼法令來讓公私立學校還有公家機關放颱風架事實上我跟張委員報告根本我們沒有所謂的颱風架 |
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根本目前的所有的價別沒有一個叫台風價只是說交通不便由各個地方政府或者學校基於他的首屬的同仁或學生的安全他們實施就是不用來上班上課的 |
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我幫您補充各縣市政府是依據天然災害停止上班上課作業辦法是用這個辦法但是裡面還有一個規定說放假這個是人事總處 |
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委員會主席 |
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我跟召委報告一下,事實上從民國83年我們就授權地方政府,因為地方政府的那種差異性,你像管政府會對鄉鎮公售,你像今天蘭嶼就放假,那我人總我怎麼有辦法去直接去幫蘭嶼在即時去用那個放假的這樣的一個措施,事實上 |
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我們定這個辦法是授權給地方政府當然剛才召委提的就是像今天今天大家就有些人就會有一些期待嘛反正每一次的可能有颱風進來大家就有一些期待那個期望值高還是低的問題不過這個到最後為了讓他有效力還是要授權地方政府第一線的人他比較清楚 |
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但是這個有時候我覺得齁未來這個天然災害的價如果說是由中央來統一做一個全國性的盤點這個會不會比較好因為地方縣市首長的決策那他們背負了很大的壓力啊我早晚報告啦其實7月30號我們就有找所有地方政委來開過會啦阿他們結論還是要自己決定啦 |
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因為他覺得中央訂全國的遊戲規則那個有些地方因為有時風頭但是路好好但是有風風風沒大但是那個路回去嘛回去稍微已經地方政府比我們還清楚嘛他地方就可以自己去做這個決定鄉鎮工作也好好好也好他就可以去停了嘛這樣好彈性啊7月30號開會的結論是他們還是要自己決定 |
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還是中央的意思還是地方政府自己要求?對,我們要求阿,不然他們會去罵阿這部分跟我在市府待過的經驗值不一樣其實常常他們市長在決策要不要放假他們是想破腦袋到底要還是不要因為有時候他放了然後隔天又出大太陽這個都很常發生嘛 |
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所以你說這個責任他們會這麼喜歡去擔我覺得奇怪那還是這樣好不好就是說那不然我們再找機會我再跟你研究一下看看這個東西我們可以做怎麼樣的精進 |
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我跟張偉報告一下可能就是他那個風力的等級啦大概會有列幾個條件然後這個條件他可能不是單一認定而是複合式決定的啦我覺得可能可以從這裡來做一些建議 |
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我們下一個問題我想跟你討教一下就是說我收集了一些資料從107年到113年這段時間我們發現112年公務人員離職跟自殺都創新高而且比111年高非常的多那一樣國軍的部分 |
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在113年的時候到6月底為止也有12個人自殺那我是想要請教一下人事長有關這個部分當然國軍以外公務員的部分你們有沒有什麼想法有沒有什麼可以做的 |
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其實我委員報告就是公務人員的自殺我們有統計大概每10萬人大概3點多到6點多這個range每一年的情況不太一樣那全國民眾的話大概每10萬人大概有13到16反而公務機關相對於一般 |
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總人民總國民的比例還是相對比較低啦這個是實際的數據呈現是這樣第二個就是說我們政府機關事實上也是一直在挖起一個點就是說 |
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最近這幾年大家那種心理的壓力會造成一些遺憾的事情發生所以我們也在強化整個政府機關EAP員工協助方案能夠更落實更擴大地去協助那一些需要幫助的人因為有些人是隱性的他們說出來你不知道嘛所以我們也希望說當委 |
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當他的主管或周圍的同仁隨時去觀察你周圍的同仁有沒有有異常的主動去協助因為我覺得這件事應該是要幾個顧面一起來努力這樣才有辦法大幅降低但是這個也是老問題啦,人事長這也是老問題 |
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你現在是那個最高職位的嘛那你還是得幫忙想一下辦法看怎麼解決你不能拿說跟人口比例去人口一般民眾比去看嘛你要去看他是今年比去年高很多那這才是問題嘛 |
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那去年又比前年又高很多這個才是問題嘛你不能說因為公務員自殺的比例比一般人民低所以就怎麼怎麼這不是理由啦好不好這部分你這樣講我們就不能接受啦我們會針對過去幾年來作為我們再延續剛剛前面委員所提的問題就有關這個這個勞動節全民放假的這個問題啦那其實你剛剛一直有在提到說是 |
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是從那個紀念日及節日實施辦法這個部分來的嘛但是這個是規範勞工啊不是我意思是說他所提到的勞動節他並沒有說公務員不能放勞動節嘛因為我跟你講齁我看了一下齁沒關係我們先看下一張那個powerpoint |
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今天是跟節日實施辦法第5條第2項所提到的勞動節的勞工放假那我看這個應該是從勞基法的第2條跟第37條所提到的勞動節而來的 |
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但是這個紀念日跟節日實施辦法第5條他並沒有說勞動節這個東西只有這個公務員不能夠一起放啊那你為什麼當作說因為這個所以公務員不行然後另外就是說因為我去看了其他的國家比如說以美國為例好了他的勞動節是9月的第一個星期一那他這個也是全國一起放 |
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阿所以我不知道說為什麼這個東西在我們台灣好像變成是一個一個你是卡住自己所以這公務員不能夠一起放然後導致現在很多家庭你也知道嘛很多家庭現在都雙薪家庭阿然後變成說小孩放假父母沒有放的問題發生阿 |
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就是昭緯你那個投影片這裡寫的齁在紀念日及節日實施辦法的第5條第2項勞動節他就寫勞工放假嘛你覺得勞工可以放假其他沒有嘛所以要剛才改嘛你如果改掉我們的形式律就會跟著這個來改了吧因為他只有identify很明確的寫勞工放假 |
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法律並沒有禁止你們去做你們立法的動作 |
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因為他對他確實有講這個勞工放假那我翻了所有的法條大概從勞基法這邊能夠比較找到他的依據但是沒有說你們不能夠提出對於行政院這邊去做出其他的修法的建議阿我懂得找的意思啦還是你們認為說是上限的問題假日上限的問題 |
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上線的問題就是那個19年6月30號阿大院的附帶決議有寫阿我們一年大概115到116人長這更不對你看一下齁89年這個附帶決議阿他是在陳述一件事實阿所以內政部內政部他他有他的那個 |
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放假一日可行性報告他自己去解釋立法院的附帶決議叫做上限其實我對內政部的這個報告我是覺得不以為然所以你不能就直接引用他們這個邏輯我跟你講你自己看我們現在包括你上面的字 |
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我們談到的115至116日這個東西是在陳述放假總日數的一個事實狀況並不是說去加一個限制欸你們不能這樣亂解釋這將來我也會跟內政部討論這個問題啊那如果你說你說這個這個叫做限制那為什麼會有115或116兩種不同的規格那如果你是說這跟論年或平年有關的話那我跟你講 |
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今年是115天但今年是論年那為什麼是115那明年明年是平年但是有116天所以這115跟116這不是上限嘛如果是上限一定是一個標準數字 |
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那如果你說唯一有可能是平年論年的差別但是我剛剛跟你講了今年跟去年也是平年跟論年但是也跟115、126無關嘛所以你們不能動不動就拿這個當作是放假的上限 |
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你剛講的我就謝謝趙薇啦其實齁這件事我覺得我也是尊重內政部的認知啦因為罵帳頭也是他要套嘛今天節日時事辦法他如果把五一他不要寫勞工那很多東西就清楚了嘛那問題他就還要寫他啊啊這幾天他在頂的啊又不是我們頂的啊我又不能用立法把它塗掉啊 |
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他確實是有勞工但是他是為了保障勞工而來對不對但是他並沒有立法做其他的限制所以你們也應該做你們該做的事你也要保障公務員阿 |
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內政部他都知道要保障勞工然後另外保障公務員這一點我是不太能接受好不好這部分也要麻煩你們研議一下那我只是要剛剛要跟你們提醒一下不要拿116或115這個是立法院的限制我跟你講你從那個附帶決議的文字根本不是限制這內政部也在騙人啊你們不要跟著這樣走啦好不好我們不是被騙我們是尊重尊重內政部他弄錯你也尊重啦 |
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主管機關最後我跟你們講一下雖然這一次我們有說讓總運算退回程序委員會但你們不要擔心這跟加薪3%這個沒有關係今天國民黨已經點出是哪幾個問題了我像你剛剛在回答其他委員的問題的時候 |
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有請政委員天才質詢時間5分鐘 |
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主席 各位委員 有請人事長有請蘇人事長 請政委員早早 非常謝謝這個人事長對於我們原住民的人事 |
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人員的提升提拔讓這個有兩個地方政府就縣政府的人事處的處長能夠擔任由原住民來擔任非常謝謝這個需要繼續努力的就是園民會了原住民組委員會的人事處的處長也那個主任你們叫稱主任 |
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人事室主任 未來會有機會啦 未來會有機會自從這個最少人口的毛近義少族的退休之後就沒有了所以要加油好 我們看這個這個就是上次也跟人事長討論過這個有關這個 |
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原住民保留地的地方政府的工作人員那因為園民會園民會的圖管處的負責原住民保留地的工作人員都已經比照這個地政司內政部的地政司的這個專業家級來去做這樣的一個調整那現在就是地方政府的部分 |
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嚴明會負責鹽住雲保留地那鹽住雲保留地如果我們看這個鹽住雲保留地開發管理辦法第二條的規定他就在中央主管機關中央是嚴明會在地方政府就是直轄市縣市政府 |
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那當然就是不是縣政府的地政處是縣政府的延民處的一個原住民保留地管理科一個科他的業務就是完全跟中央延民會的圖管處一樣那在地方政府相公所的話你看 |
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這個按照這個辦法的第二條本辦法之執行機關為鄉鎮事工所鄉鎮事工所基本上就一個或兩個人人數也不是很多所以如果我們從這個原住民保育地管理辦法的第5條都規定的很清楚 |
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中央做什麼?縣市政府做什麼?鄉鎮市公所負責什麼業務?都寫很清楚像鄉鎮市公所他是一個執行機關包含原住民保育地的 |
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相關所有權的如何取得如何分配如何收回如何相關的這些補償的事項都寫得很清楚所以這個部分如果我們從這個管理辦法44條總共有44條土地的管理土地的開發利用及保育零產物的管理 |
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他就是中央人民會的圖管處到地方政府縣市政府的保留地管理科人數其實也不會很多所以這個部分要請人事行政總處能夠再加油所以以原住民保留地相關的法規就這麼多 |
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國土計劃法內政部 |
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涉及原住民族土地及海域者因依原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族機關擬定擬定之後誰來執行就是縣政府 |
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就是縣政府的原住民保留地課來去執行所以這個部分是不是請人事行政總處能夠再積極的來去協助 |
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各位委員報告一下,今年大概3月7號、8號,我們有去臺東藏兵,還有花蓮的封兵,事實上有跟他們有溝通過,他們也有提出這樣的一個訴求,那我們同仁也有跟他說明,因為辦這一些嚴保地的業務,事實上是整個業務的範疇之一,現在的問題點是那一些大部分是綜合行政職系的人, |
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那上次我們在解決園民會的圖管處那些都是屬於地政職系的因為不同的職系他領的加級表會有不一樣不過委員的交代這個我想我們再來持續來跟我們同仁來溝通看看看有沒有什麼更好的方式可以來解決 |
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謝謝委員保貴的意見非常謝謝你們在6月6號其實也有答覆一個公文給我了那我仔細這樣看了之後還是有需要去檢討的地方還是可以我認為還是可以去協助他們取得這個專業佳績以上謝謝好謝謝政委員謝謝人事長接下來有請賴委員事保諮詢 |
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謝謝主席辛苦了齁那麼各位先進有請人事長好請輸人事長委員好委員長我想延續今天大家很關心的一個題目啦齁我上個禮拜二總執行就有提出來那因為你說的時間不多齁我還是再強調一個就是今年的3月我執行陳建仁院長的時候 |
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他那時候給外界的感覺是今年今年不是去年不是明年今年的5月1號就可以全國放假了剛才很多委員都有提到了我就不贅述理由了那現在來講的話因為5月1號這麼重要的一個節日結果因為 |
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人事總處這裡處理的滴滴塌塌讓大家造成很多家庭的困擾所以我就問你你說內政部要開跨部會的會議請問開了嗎這個你上個禮拜講的到目前還沒開這樣三個當時會開嗎 |
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我比較沒有能力去幫內政部決定他的事情這個要決定你看喔勞工團體啊前幾天啊 |
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勞工團體的相關聯盟在我們立法院群選開記者會希望勞基法修了以後7天國定假日回來就是裡面其實大家最在意的是一個教室節剛過的教室節一個行限紀念日就10月25號大家最在意的是這兩天請問這兩天決定請在年還是內政部 |
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有一個你可以處理啦有一個可以處理啦那個假日有沒有連續放假你可以處理嘛對嘛就是你的責任來那我們就問了齁 |
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這個在去年的時候幾乎都是連假掉了如果放禮拜二啦就放了禮拜一啦放了禮拜四就放就禮拜五這個做這個換 |
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禮拜一換,這樣子可以廉價,結果公企我們沒,說放假放太多,結果你現在一修正之後啊,修正到昨天都沒了,都沒了,我們剛過的中秋節就是禮拜二嘛齁,再來的我們的國慶,禮拜四,下禮拜四,欸是賭掉了,啊你都不放啦齁,我請問你啦,這個放假是不是你應該考慮到老百姓的需要,社會的需要,對吧? |
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是我我我先不要我現在就明確的問你因為時間有限喔就是民俗節日我就具體講具體講春節大家要不要被團圓啊家庭要團圓啊中秋節要團圓的 |
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這個最少最少春節中秋節端午節這三大節日有可以不可以就讓他連續放假我跟委員講我們現在一定會納進來的就春節跟就是清明掃墓 |
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親民掃墓是大部分的人都會回鄉這兩個反而是中秋跟端午我們讓他有彈性因為如果經常連的話事實上我們現在改了新的遊戲規則明年會調整一次放假後年不會調整反而你有需要你去請一天這樣可以疏散這個人流不然每次有一次就沒兩次一定被人連 |
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沒有啦我現在說的就是民宿你現在只有對春節跟掃墓嘛對不對那我說加一個中秋啦我覺得中秋需要啦因為中秋都要賞月第二天大家晚上這麼久活著第二天起不來啊這種東西考慮到家庭團圓就在這裡啦我委員報告中秋啊要唱應該是中秋節的假日因為你賞月是在15號賞不是在14號 |
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我記得我在當兵的時候那個長官就講很清楚啊 |
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他說我們給你15號沒辦法賞月你就16號有人說我提早給你賞月幹我都有啦14號也有賞月也有16號賞月的也有15號賞月都有啦不能用你的主觀就把它overlight這個事情啦所以我現在跟你講的就是除了春節加清明的掃墓之外plus一個啦中秋節啦 |
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好 謝謝賴委員 謝謝蘇人士長接下來有請楊委員 瓊英質詢 |
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委員好你剛回答的就是連續放假的問題那現在也因為這個假期會讓很多人的生活方式會改變譬如說這一次很多中秋節的活動 |
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有人就擺在中秋節之後因為他沒有連續放假那所以這樣的情況我們看到的確是有必要要重新整體性的去檢討那到底這個聯休的部分要怎麼去做當然各行各業是不一樣的但是特別是在中秋節那這個剛剛您說會納入考量那你認為你要考量多久可以告訴民眾 |
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那一個你的方向跟答案請教我這裡跟委員報告一個實際的情況因為我是住台南那台南的民間企業以前在中秋節那一天是沒有放假都是放8月16號隔天因為那一天晚上要賞夜大家不曉得賞到幾點然後隔天給他們放假台南的很多的製造業他們是採休中秋節的隔天事實上這一個 |
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調整假日的東西我們現在的政策盡量不去移動它因為去移動的話可能會影響整個金融市場的交易因為我們台灣的金融市場你每天修一個跟國際上不一樣的會影響到整個金融活動影響還蠻大的所以我們自從改了新制的調整放假的這個辦法以後 |
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所以你剛剛納入考量的是根本不可行 |
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你現在回答這個都錄音錄影大家要知道你納入考量到底是可行或者是不可行你要有一個定內時間點嘛告訴社會大眾你如果現在這樣回答就是說不可能嘛我不會說不可能因為一定要顯出來 |
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日曆掀出來,你如果說拜三中秋,你要去釣農曆,那不可能,那就是叫做不可能,但是,釣農曆不可能,釣一曆有可能嗎?釣一曆是可以考慮,釣一曆可以考慮,釣農曆就不要去想了。 |
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你再調兩例我就沒辦法了你現在的答案給我們告訴我們說納入考量就是調一日連休的可能性是高的調兩日就是不可能的是不是如此我們一定要有一個方向然後你們去做討論再給社會大眾說明才不會繼續本席當然那我們有一個共識五一勞動節這個問題大家非常關心甚至藍綠白的委員都關心行政部門也關心那到底 |
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到底五一勞動節會不會全國統一放假 |
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就如同委員這個寫的政府的立場始終一致我們要尊重內政部的意思你剛才一直回答本席就等著你這一句話我們來討論喔也就是上游你認為上游是這個是內政部那你是下游但是我認為這樣的說法我不太認同因為民眾看的是政府那政府呢他的橫向 |
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他所有的部會必須要充分去溝通了解如果只有回答人事長如果只有回答說我這個是上游我就等著他我只是執行那這個會讓人民有點失望如果說人民的聲音已經非常的大那你在末端即使你說的下游執行者你也應該提出你的論點然後政府部門 |
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我跟委員報告 事實上 |
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請做說明我跟委員報告事實上我們一直在跟內政部溝通因為你有溝通?有有一定有溝通的方向是什麼?就是說叫他那間刮刮的看五月齊有要泡嗎?你這樣說我就給你按讚喔你叫他快一點刮刮的那有沒有開會啦?他們內部還在討論啦 |
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內部有在討論內部討論沒有邀請我參加我不是知道他們討論的情況如果以你的立場你認為5月1號勞動節要不要全部統一制 |
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政府委員報告 我的立場就是沒有立場 我就是尊重我們團隊 內政部一割的 他割成怎樣 我就配合怎樣你的立場就沒有立場 我就要給你扣分了 剛剛才給你按讚你現在還說這樣 因為政府之間本身我們有分工 |
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聽說當然啊但是為什麼要找跨部會就是要聽取大家意見啊這是公然大家知道的訊息啊所以我們有去拜託你也是其中一個好來我們有去拜託賴正波針對不只是勞動啦還有其他的節可能教師節啊金人節稍微大家坐一會去討論看看要怎麼處理嘛你有拜託喔我們期待你的拜託啊關鍵讓我們一個大案我們才不會亂起嘛 |
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委員會主席 |
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我要請教我們的公務人員的離職人數不斷的在增加比2021年你是增加了22.82022比2021增加了22.8退休的人數從5746那你增加到7635所以是缺額是不是目前的樣態 |
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他跟以往也都差不多因為這裡增加22.8因為是統計數字他標示的因為有些人的離職是因為他普考要考上高考因為時間的關係本席把這個課題給你 |
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也就是實際上數字告訴我們是缺額而且是退休是增加所以在這樣的情況之下你要怎麼樣去應對請你詳細書裡面資料給本席第二個議題也就是消防人員 |
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我們現在大家都重視我們的小龍林丸消防體系很重要發生了屏東民養的事件發生了今年5月底的新竹的勤工會的事件造成了兩名我們的消防員的殉職讓我們非常的難過所以政府也看到 |
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也知道這個問題的嚴重性也說特殊的特種協會特種協會那麼可以怎麼樣做有放寬但是本席要告訴你如果只有修正協會法你能夠解決我們警消面對的強力的植栽的壓力嗎所以本席具體告訴你 |
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職業安全衛生法議題 |
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禮拜三內政委員會會審這個議題我們也會派人出席你當然要派人出席啊你這很重要啊所以職業安全衛生法的向下也必須要納入進來一併討論因為公務人員的安慰方法的主管機關是在保訓會你不要再說這樣了 |
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接下來有請黃建豪委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 那我們一樣請人事長請蘇人事長齁 黃委員齁 欸 陳事長好 人事長剛剛大家齁 前面兩個委員都提到這個連假的問題本期本來沒有要討論 但是聽到您剛剛回應 我有一些想法想請教當然第一個當然就提到中秋節連假的部分 如果當然禮拜三齁 就沒什麼好要求了 但如果比如說碰到禮拜二 |
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禮拜四有沒有機會連假剛剛人事長的意思是說這樣會影響到我們金融市場但我想跟市長說明我想金融市場應該沒那麼脆弱我想美股光是美股一年大概休市大概10天到12天甚至在連假前一天他可能只開半天的這個股票交易日所以如果這個金融市場是考量原因之一的話我想跟人事長報告其實我想分享這個應該不是太大的問題人事長你怎麼看 |
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金融市場是我們考量的因素之一因為只要移動這個放假日我們必須要考慮到企業一般民間的還有金融業相關行業我們都一定會考量所以剛才我的 |
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答案是很明確的禮拜三的話大概不會去變動如果是落在2跟4我覺得這是可以討論可是我們為什麼還要再去跟相關的人去做一些雖然我們的規定剛改啦規定剛改啦但是如果全民的期待是這樣我覺得很多事情應該要持一種比較開放的態度來 |
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人事長你剛剛就是其他的假期問題比如說你剛剛說你要去尊重內政部我們也希望說其他單位也尊重一下我們人事長好不好你如果提說你要放讓他這個連下連起來我覺得其他單位也要尊重一下人事長不能都是你尊重別人啊別人也要尊重一下人事長啊對不對 |
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各部會本身我們有一套溝通協調的一個默契啦好啦沒關係再來今天的主題我想問一下到底我們行政院是推動了這個築潮優利帶的評選方式喔這個應該是你們的業務吧我們的對阿這個評選方式怎麼評選一開始怎麼評選你們怎麼決定承作的這個銀行 |
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我們會找一些專家寫者來就是看每一家銀行他提供的他的一個貸款的條件相關的然後選出幾家像這一次的是台銀跟中信然後在貸款有時候必須要去考量到銀行他基於風險管理有些條件像買比較 |
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小的欸那個就是食品左右的他因為他要有一些財務考量而且要考慮到他的因為每一家銀行都有他的這個我了解啦當然有一個風管的我想公務人員頭當他本身他的在銀行在金融業他的條件本身就是相對比較好的啦那今天你們今天竟然推了這個竹槽優利帶他具有的應該是 |
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某種程度上是官方有點背書因為我們評選出來了嘛評選的出兩家如果今天評選出兩家的條件是長這樣子那如果最後跟這個要去申代的人說這評數或什麼條件不符合那不就回到一般的金融市場了嗎那這樣其實你就不用特別評選了因為一般公務人員講真的你們是公務人員就很清楚如果你們到銀行去申代不管哪一家他今天就算沒有去乘坐你們的這個主草優利貸 |
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你們到一般銀行去拿到的條件理論上從金融市場的角度來講本來就比較好那你今天特別去booking去表定出兩家能夠來乘坐這些優利貸的這個廠家然後在你們的官網你們還寫說剛剛你城市長你還提到說這個幾坪以下可能不乘坐但是在你們自己的問答裡面還特別提到購買可不可以申辦購買小套房可不可以申辦那 |
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你們的QA裡面官方說法是可以但是官方說法是說可以結果到了承作銀行之後又找一大堆條件說這個不行甚至在他一開始在承作銀行的這個官網上面就直接講說購買小套房不可以生貸他連平都沒有平但是你們官網可以平所以這就是問題了嘛今天你提出來的這個條件長這樣子結果承作銀行完全不給你面子啊他也沒有尊重你啊他就直接說不行那這怎麼辦 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們會去跟銀行溝通就是針對這些小坪數的因為有時候公務人員因為他整個財力負擔的問題我們會請銀行未來在做這方面的核貸的時候盡量給予比較寬鬆的 |
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那當然剛才委員提的也有可能是屬於一種個案嘛因為每一個個體他本身的跟銀行往來的RECOR還有他本身相關的 |
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動產不動產相關的資料信用的資料事實上當然各一行各樣的瘋狂但是我們今天提到一致性的問題啦因為今天我想這個以15坪為例啦一個公務人員一般的基層公務人員他的薪水不可能隨隨便便買個兩三千萬的房子我想在台北市也好台中市也好雙北也好15坪喔隨隨便便就破一千了 |
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對一般的公教人員來講其實壓力也是很大更何況現在很多是單身的如果今天他只能買15坪以上我想這個政策推出來本來是好意但是如果你只能買15坪以上的物件的話某種程度上你等於是用這個方案去鼓勵公務人只能買更大的房子我想這跟這個我們現在要居住正義希望房價能降溫是背道而鎖的立場所以拜託一下我們這個人總處要跟這些承重銀行講如果今天 |
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還有設這麼多條件才能承作那其實基本上你就不用推這方案了大家自己去申請就好因為今天他今天能夠放在你們官網上面某種程度上是所有鼓勵大家去跟他聲帶他可以拿到全台灣最好的這個名單客戶名單你們都是用詞客戶啊就他莫名其妙可以得到這個名單那他要付出相關的成本不能說我跟一般銀行承作條件是一樣的好不好 |
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我們會跟這兩家銀行再去特別提醒他不要用這個當排除條件好謝謝謝謝主席長好謝謝黃委員謝謝蘇理人事長接下來有請張家俊委員張家俊張家俊委員不在有請陳委員培育質詢請 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請人事長好 請說人事長委員好 人事長你好好 我時間有限了 我想要看一下我們今天的業務報告裡面我想友善生育職場托育環境應該是我們很重要的政策不管各部會應該都有這個共識我想問一下幾年前立法院托嬰中心有說建制相關的新聞那一直到現在我想要問一下相關的進度或者是相關的空間 |
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我這裡大概累積到今年6月30號機關自行設置的職場托育設施大概有195家啦這裡面托育中心含居家式的托育有16家幼兒園61家職場互助教保服務中心有118家 |
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那這麼多數字看起來可能已經可以回應大家的需求那我們來往下看喔那可是呢在這個聯合辦公大樓這邊呢當時你們做這個報告那我先如果剛剛您講的這些是已經都回應了需求那我們來看另外一個問題我想要請教您未來因為體育署升格之後呢他們會應該會搬離那棟大樓對不對這個前提的假設我可以先這樣假設 |
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有這個可能性那一棟大樓就會騰空另外還有華光特定專用區的聯合辦公大樓新建之後還有目前南北棟有一些單位應該也要搬離開那不知道人事總處你們針對你剛剛講的數字如果人事長你自己覺得滿意了不需要再增設嗎還是你覺得我們有更積極的可以把我剛剛現在講的這兩個空間做托育空間的提早規劃 |
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我跟委員報告事實上我非常重視這個就是藍北洞的還有我們人力協議院在符合文教會館那裡我都請我們同仁去找專業人來評鑑因為他有樓層的限制還有評書的限制還有消防安檢的限制這個到最後藍北洞都沒有符合這個條件然後我們人力學院那裡沒有這個是以現況去做改造的 |
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那另外一個我們也跟內政部也協調溝通過了就是未來在興建跟公務機關有關的他一定要預留這一個場地我時間有限吼免得我等一下被主席Q下台你剛剛講了興建的時候 |
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臺灣各地目前還有非常多聯合辦公大樓的新建計劃我相信人事長你一定知道你是不是都有確保的掌握他們是不是有相關的規劃空間而且是提早規劃還是又會遇到到時候蓋完之後又相關的建築法規不合消防法規不合導致沒有辦法設置營業而托育空間 |
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這個應該不會有這種情況發生因為工程委員會都有要求那我想這個部分我們辦公室也會再跟人事總處這邊一起努力我們一起後續去盤點一下在新建的大樓部分還有我剛剛跟您說的體育署要騰空那個部分或者是南北棟遷移的這個部分如果有相關的 |
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的機制可以調整跟改善這個空間我相信從中央部會帶頭做示範應該是非常重要的事情因為我時間有限我們可不可以後續再跟人事總處這邊多進行討論 |
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好 謝謝人事長 |
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人事總署在108年有一個韓式對啦 但是我跟你說 你聽到總委有一個韓式你會說把判斷的權限下放給各個機關結果就是導致於就委員來跟我們陳情而且是我們的 |
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公務員來跟我們陳情那代表就是沒有錯人事長您的想法是應該要算啊對不對但是你們的含釋就給了各個機關自由詮釋的空間我相信你一定也不希望我們的公務機關帶頭吃公務人員的豆腐對不對你覺得這件事情我們可以怎麼解決 |
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毛委員你給我們這個那我們不要個案啦我們通案來盤點到底相關出了什麼事情你就把個案的個資弄掉嘛那我們就把個案轉通案來處理那我們有沒有機會不要只解決個案的問題一定有各個部會在你不知道的情況之下沒有跟你講好情況下他就把這個解釋就不算公實捏 |
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我們來想辦法啦好不好其實說真的我們務實來看這個差異性會有啦就是我們就用個案轉成通案的方式來處理這樣會比較安全因為我可能手上個案也不過兩三個你有機會收集到更多的個案嗎 |
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好了,那我們來討論,那我最後時間我把今天的訴求我再一次強調。第一個,相關中央聯合辦公托育大樓的托育需求空間規劃,還有新建的行政機關的辦公空間調整這件事情,我們辦公室會再跟人事總處積極的討論喔。還有就是未來公務人員上班時間外出差的工時計算這件事情,你們應該有更友善的措施啦。 |
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那你108的那個喊到現在如果大家有解釋上的問題或是理解上的困難我們怎麼樣協助各個行政機關來解決這個問題好不好 |
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有任何問題就交給我們,我們會給委員好,那我們辦公室會再積極跟你們約開會,我們希望一個月內我們來解決這些事情好不好好,來努力謝謝陳委員,謝謝蘇貞市長接下來有請徐委員新迎,徐新迎,徐新委員不在有請何新淳委員,何新淳,何新淳委員不在有請洪委員孟凱諮詢 |
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主席謝謝麻煩請蘇人事長請蘇人事長侯委員好好人事長好人事長那個針對我們人事總處的組織法寫得很清楚就機關員額的管理規劃督導的相關事項那人事長您在這一個法定職責上來講有沒有去好好的督促我們每一個機關用這個機關員額的一個管理規劃 |
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我們每兩年都會做顏額的評鑑透過這個顏額評鑑來瞭解哪些顏額是不合理的使用我們也會做回收的動作是哪些顏額會做回收那哪些顏額有可能真的有要增加 |
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其實這本席認同阿 |
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委員會主席 |
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所以這個人數也有原額的限制不能超過5%這個是天條還是有例外也有例外啦就是他如果落在他的組織法裡面有寫的話就有例外有些部會像國科會像數位部國科會還有應安會這一些都有 |
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委員會議員 |
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應該他的原額來講是21位的聘用人員但農業部的公務預算編了27位多出了將近20%有基金預算編了4個人然後農業部的公務預算編了27人 |
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僱用人員那另外 數發部數位發展部剛剛你有特別提到他照理講 原額換算只有30元的聘用人員可以使用但是他卻超標兩倍多現在114年的這個公務預算預算書裡面他是要用78位換算下來這是已經超標不只是5%我們的限制沒有守住他已經變成是十幾%了 |
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我跟委員報告一下數發部的因為他整個就在組織法裡面直接就落下他有100個聘用人員的一般來講是一個整體的概念是5%可是少數機關像我剛才跟委員報告的數位部啦數發部國科會應安會這一種他直接落在組織法裡面教訓受理的運用就是說數發部到目前他們正式員額是不是還沒有用滿 |
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還沒有用滿還沒有用滿那對於數發部如果說一開始我們講數位發展部一開始剛創立剛成立的時候我們也對他高度期待我們也認為是說有一些數位的人才確實他可能沒有辦法不受這個公務員的一個這個任用資格所以事實那個時候是有給他比較寬鬆的部分那但是數發部也已經成立多久了兩年多快三年嘛對啊那如果說這樣子 |
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您認不認為說整個中央政府部會的一個人事任用還是要以正軌來講就是我們中央政府的這個人員還是以公務正式的公務人員為主那聘用人員為輔嘛那但是到目前為止速發部已經成立兩年多快三年了他正式公務人員沒有編滿沒有用滿但是他的聘用人員持續超標他變成是說已經是十幾趴啦聘用人員也沒有用滿喔 |
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我知道你剛剛講100人嘛所以你現在78你是鼓勵他再繼續用聘用人員 |
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委員長這不好笑啊本席很認真在跟你討論這個問題就在於是說以人事的角度宏觀來講各部會如果說你這樣子可以放寬你甚至你剛剛的這個態度好像在鼓勵速發部說快一點你們七十八個人而已還有二十二個那如果說這樣的話那你不就打擊一般公務員的士氣嗎那還有其他部會可以講啊我說我速發部很重要 |
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教育部 教育部也覺得說我專任老師很重要那其他經濟部 我這個經濟趨勢發展很重要那到最後大家都不需要公務人員啊 我用聘用就好啦那是不是就看誰比較大聲 或是說誰可以比較有白骨 可以去要求 去請署 |
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所以我在拉回來講的是說是不是應該還是要督促他們以正式公務人員而且我相信以中華民國公務人員的素質以及優秀程度來講他能夠考得上公務人員他當然對於這個新科技新技術可以有一些了解 |
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我剛才在笑的原因就是因為數化部尤其治安署那裡我很清楚他們本來是要用業聘的那業聘是比較好用嘛可以馬上集戰力嘛結果後來他們用進來以後馬上就被銀行外面每一個人一個月加一兩萬全部挖了很多人走等於就是數位部治安署幫他們認證後來他們又把業聘的要轉成正職 |
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他自己就發現說用業聘的他的代議他講不過外面所以他們又有提一個計畫在轉正職所以很多東西就剛開始規範的時候是有一個延額可是他實際目前我們了解整個樹花部整個部位大概有80幾%的倒值率還有大概15%以上還沒有倒值所以他倒值也不如意是不是不如預期壓力比較大吧 |
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國人對於速發部的期待絕對不止於此你說過去這幾年的詐騙速發部沒有責任嗎你說過去這幾年的相關的這一些技術的進步速發部沒有責任嗎那速發部每一次到現在到目前為止你說兩三年過去了給國人留下什麼印象就一個點面線的系統 |
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如果我要點麵線的話我用Foodpanda Uber Eats就可以了我根本不用速發部我不用每年花200多億的公務預算來給速發部來做這樣的事情人不好找我同意但是今天我跟你就教就是說人事總處的態度以及狀況而不是說今天這個小孩會炒得有糖吃這個小孩他不叫就沒有公務同仁一視同仁這是中央政府的一個基石不是嗎 |
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所以既然速發部他一直有這樣的狀況正式的公務員都沒有辦法補滿那他到底是他有沒有積極的去找有沒有積極的鼓勵其他優秀的公務人員他可以來速發部來報效國家而不是說他們沒有去做這樣的部分然後又持續放任他用聘用人員這個部分應該才是人事長處再去檢討的地方我們跟速發部再一起討論看看有沒有哪些需要我們協助的地方 |
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討論後有相關內容提供給我們洪委員 |
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政政前委員 政政前 政政委員不在 高金素美委員 高金素美 高金素美委員不在所有登記發言委員均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員質詢時 要求提供相關資料或以書面答覆者 請相關機關盡速送交 個別委員及本會 |
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那麼委員：謝榮介：吳立華所提書面質詢．均列入紀錄．刊登公報．並請相關機關以書面答覆本次會議進行到此結束現在散會謝謝大家謝謝 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:13 - 12:23:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16140 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16140 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-30T08:30:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-30T12:23:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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