| IVOD_ID |
161393 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161393 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-14T14:45:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-14T14:57:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4f2e91488ef6971b73ff1a2bb7b02a10a35373469a84e2c37ba5a36b7b1a506694c2a44ecd674d185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:45:46 - 14:57:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
二、本院國民黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案。
三、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案。
四、本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
五、本院委員王美惠等17人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
（第一案如未獲議事處來函則不予審查，第二至第五案業經各黨團簽署不復議同意書。）（詢答）
【5月14日及5月15日二天一次會】） |
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邱委員志偉：（14時45分）憑我對陳昭明委員的了解，我可以替他背書，他絕對支持行政院的版本，支持強化國土安全韌性，不反對就贊成嘛，他絕對支持行政院的版本1,500億，所以管主委可以放心，百分之百支持，我可以替他背書。 |
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請經濟部何次長，還有台電王總經理。 |
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主席：請何次長、王總經理。 |
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何次長晉滄：委員好。 |
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邱委員志偉：次長，辛苦了。美國的財政部長貝森特說臺灣有一個非常好的方案，對不對？好像整體臺美的關稅談判會往好的方向去發展，什麼時候會有最後的結果？就你手上的情報可以說的。 |
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何次長晉滄：因為我沒有參加談判小組，但是我想…… |
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邱委員志偉：你不一定會參加，但是你要知道，你要掌握。 |
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何次長晉滄：我知道現在我們談判小組正副院長都很用心在準備一些相關的資料，從上上禮拜談判回來之後，大概在國內也都正在準備相關的資料，在做第二輪的談判當中。 |
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邱委員志偉：據你了解是不是往好的方向去發展，我們待遇絕對是比中國的關稅還好，中國目前是30%。有關半導體的部分，就你掌握的資訊，你覺得如何？半導體會不會額外再課稅？ |
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何次長晉滄：當然這還是要看美方那邊最後的決定，我們一直在跟美國，我們也把意見書提供給美方，我們也希望美方能夠充分了解臺美之間在半導體上的互補角色，臺美的合作其實是有…… |
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邱委員志偉：具體的部分你沒有辦法講，但是抽象你可以描述，就像貝森特所講的是往好的方向嘛？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：最起碼跟日本一樣，當然不可能超過中國，所以代表我們有做好最好的準備。 |
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另外，針對今天的特別條例有關預算編列的部分，我對台電的1,000億大力支持，為什麼？因為它顧產業、顧民生，如果沒有這1,000億，恐怕民生用電勢必要反映成本，就可能會調漲，有這個可能性嘛，那會不會衝擊到民生？會嘛？ |
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何次長晉滄：會。 |
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邱委員志偉：會不會影響產業？ |
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何次長晉滄：也會。 |
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邱委員志偉：產業影響最大是哪些？是微中小傳統產業，它用電量比較多，而且微中小這些產業的調適能力跟彈性沒那麼大，所以它要能夠維持它的競爭力，否則關稅一來首當其衝是微中小。微中小集中在哪裡？中南部的製造業，像是做螺絲、鋼鐵等等，他們都需要用電，對嗎？所以只要你想到顧民生，只要你想到顧產業，只要有一點良知，你不可能沒有支持這1,000億。 |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，其實這幾天…… |
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邱委員志偉：這不是讓台電去給員工加薪，不是這樣，不是增加他們的福利，而是要顧民生、顧產業。 |
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何次長晉滄：是。跟委員報告，其實這幾天有工商團體，他們也都一直在對外說要支持，籲請朝野黨團都能夠支持政府撥補台電這1,000億，其實是有助於產業，同時能夠穩定物價，讓他們成本上不會增加太多，尤其在面對高關稅的衝擊之下，也可以讓我們國內的物價更穩定。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以有充分的必要性，也有急迫性，是不是這樣？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：我甚至認為1,000億可能還不夠，因為這關稅到底會影響多長時間，沒有人可以去預測，所以最起碼1,000億可以穩定產業和人心，否則很多人都說看不到未來，所以這部分我們還是要極力去爭取，也希望所有產業界的代表能夠向國民黨跟民進黨發聲。羅明才在這邊，可能他也會支持台電增加1,000億，我覺得還要請產業界多讓國民黨及民眾黨了解基層的心聲。 |
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另外，請教農業部陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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邱委員志偉：我看了一下，農業部大概是加了180億，是不是？ |
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陳部長駿季：是，180億。 |
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邱委員志偉：比例不高耶，只有不到5%，對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：4%左右。 |
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邱委員志偉：我看了你的這些措施，大概是延續性的補貼跟資本性的支出，你們對中長期轉型的機制比不上經濟部的方案。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們在短期就是希望透過資金的協助，所以在金融支持跟後面的外銷獎勵，外銷獎勵讓它持續，中間這個產業支持的部分，就是讓他們趁這個機會去做轉型，包括加值的轉型。 |
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邱委員志偉：我是覺得你們還要兼顧中長期的產業轉型。 |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：另外，如果農民需要政府的這筆經費，有關申貸、申請跟核撥的程序，你們要簡化，你們要思考怎麼樣做到從簡、從速、從寬。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們農金署在這個部分過去一直在跟農民互動，所以已經有相當的簡化，這一次我們特別包括舊貸的部分也會來處理，然後新貸的部分包括利息差補貼，我們會用最快的時間去處理。 |
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邱委員志偉：同樣的我也要請教何次長，相關的這些補貼未來是不是能夠再放寬，直接比照疫後條例？疫後條例是全部開放給所有中小企業，你說間接影響有時候很抽象，我想全面都會受到影響，大概沒有一家例外，就算電費這1,000億沒有給台電，所有的中小企業都受到影響，對不對？所以這個補貼的資格是不是能夠比照疫後條例？ |
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何次長晉滄：我們現在是更優於，因為疫後條例是營業額要下降15%，那我們這次放寬到10%。另外，我們本來是有限定可能要輸美的產業才可以來申請，事實上我們現在也放寬了，只要受到衝擊的中小企業都可以來申請，所以事實上資格有大幅放寬。 |
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邱委員志偉：不管是農業部或經濟部，只要受到關稅所影響的，不管是農業、漁業或者是傳統製造業，相關的審核程序應該從簡、從速、從寬。 |
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繼續我想請問主計長，次長先留一下，台電王總也留一下。 |
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主席：王總也留下來。 |
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邱委員志偉：主計長，請教這個三個版本，即行政院的版本、國民黨的版本及民眾黨的版本，我看民眾黨版本裡面有把金額下限都訂出來了，以前有這樣訂定嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：對。 |
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邱委員志偉：不管是行政院或是國民黨的版本，基本上只訂定一個總額，對不對？沒有講到細項，現在有細項會增加施政的困難度跟彈性，你的看法如何？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：這個部分我們還要再研究是不是有違反…… |
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邱委員志偉：你以前有碰到過這種立法例？沒有吧？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：對，所以我們就是要…… |
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邱委員志偉：你做這麼久都沒看過這種立法例，直接寫明金額要多少。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：這個部分可能會限定金額，這樣是不是有違反財政紀律法的規範？這個部分我們要跟法律局做研究。 |
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邱委員志偉：你們可能要研究一下，這個是侵犯行政權。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是的。 |
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邱委員志偉：侵犯行政權，你也同意嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：我們認為比較有問題就是這個部分。 |
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邱委員志偉：另外這是跨部會的預算，之前也有跨部會，以前跨部會都是國發會主導，為什麼這次要由經濟部來主導？這個金額那麼大，就由經濟部來做莊家？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：這個是上面決定的，不是我們。 |
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邱委員志偉：照理說由國發會來統合是比較好。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：對，以往是國發會來做統籌。 |
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邱委員志偉：最後30秒請教一下台電王總。有這1,000億跟沒有這1,000億，到底影響最大的部分是什麼？ |
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王總經理耀庭：因為台電現在的淨值大概只有一千出頭的億而已，如果今天能源像是煤或天然氣的價格再有一點波動，再上去的話，萬一受國際情勢，那台電承受這方面的能力是不足的，不足的結果可能漲電價的壓力就非常大，所以我們期望有這1,000億增加我們的裕度，增加我們的韌性，這樣在每半年電價審議委員會在審議的時候，可以給我們考量，這個韌性就可以出來。 |
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邱委員志偉：這個邏輯很清楚，所以這個條例是要增加和強化經濟社會國土安全的韌性。 |
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王總經理耀庭：是。 |
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邱委員志偉：你要達成國土安全跟經濟社會的韌性，台電要先有韌性，國防部也要先有韌性，海委會、海巡署也要有韌性，要有韌性才能確保經濟社會跟國土安全的韌性。 |
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我一向詢答都很準時的，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。 |
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現在請羅明才委員質詢。 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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賴士葆 |
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張啓楷 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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林德福 |
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張嘉郡 |
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郭國文 |
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陳亭妃 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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呂玉玲 |
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李彥秀 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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李坤城 |
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陳俊宇 |
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林思銘 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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黃珊珊 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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蔡易餘 |
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陳超明 |
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邱志偉 |
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羅明才 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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葉元之 |
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王正旭 |
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陳玉珍 |
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邱鎮軍 |
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顏寬恒 |
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翁曉玲 |
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蘇清泉 |
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王美惠 |
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許宇甄 |
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牛煦庭 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄 |
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審查：一、行政院函請審議「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案；
二、本院國民黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案；三、
本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案；四、本院委
員蔡易餘等18人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案；五、本院
委員王美惠等17人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案（詢答） |
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1144901_00002 |