| IVOD_ID |
161390 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161390 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-14T14:02:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-14T14:15:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4f2e91488ef6971b23ae89eddec63602a35373469a84e2c37ba5a36b7b1a506649b407c8523db5195ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:02:10 - 14:15:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
二、本院國民黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案。
三、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案。
四、本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
五、本院委員王美惠等17人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
（第一案如未獲議事處來函則不予審查，第二至第五案業經各黨團簽署不復議同意書。）（詢答）
【5月14日及5月15日二天一次會】） |
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謝委員衣鳯：（14時2分）謝謝主席。我想要請主計長，還有阮次長。次長，我想請問，今天已經是5月14號了，請問我們1到4月的稅課收入預算執行的情況如何？ |
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阮次長清華：目前實徵數還是比預算數稍微少。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：比較少？ |
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阮次長清華：比較少。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以沒有超收？ |
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阮次長清華：沒有。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：少多少？ |
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阮次長清華：我印象中大概是六十幾億，因為我沒有帶過來，大概是六十幾億。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：六十幾億？ |
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阮次長清華：最主要的原因是因為我們出口暢旺，大家都拉貨，所以變成外銷退稅特別多，這是第一個。第二個，所得稅結算申報是往後延1個月。第三個原因就是…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：有可能是因為報稅往後延？ |
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阮次長清華：對，往後延。第三個原因就是我們的證交稅因為成交量比較少，所以相對來講，稅收就比較少。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：你們都會預估，全年度的情況呢？你們有沒有大約的預估？ |
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阮次長清華：全年當然很多變數，因為美國的關稅到底會談到什麼情況，我們現在也很難預料，但是我相信我們對未來應該還是滿樂觀的，特別是所得稅機關申報出來以後，我們就知道那個大概的趨勢。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以要等到所得稅申報之後，我們才知道實際的情況？ |
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阮次長清華：對，之後大概的趨勢我們可以看得出來。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：喔，所以要等到所得稅完全申報以後？ |
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阮次長清華：大概7月初以後，我們會比較能夠掌握，現在還很難掌握。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好。因為這次的對等關稅，我們有對於出口業者進行貸款補貼，我想請問是補貼幾碼？ |
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阮次長清華：你說哪一部分？ |
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謝委員衣鳯：就是對於中小企業出口的。 |
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阮次長清華：有關出口那部分，我們是補貼百分之一點五。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：百分之一點五？ |
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阮次長清華：如果是一般企業的話是百分之一。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：百分之一是不是？ |
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阮次長清華：對。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：如果是純粹的出口企業是百分之一，那微小企業呢？ |
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阮次長清華：中小企業的話是補貼百分之一點五，如果是一般的那就補貼1%。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好。我想請問提供的額度是多少？ |
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阮次長清華：額度喔？ |
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謝委員衣鳯：最高可以優惠貸款是多少？ |
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阮次長清華：如果一般的話就是1%，反算的話大概是1億左右，額度大概1億；如果是用一般中小企業1.5來算，回算大概可以貸款到8,000萬。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：我是不是再請經濟部何次長？ |
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何次長，這一次我們希望多元市場不要都單一集中在美國，未來要怎麼樣增加我們的多元市場？對於我們的企業，不管是展覽的補貼也好，或者出口的市場，我們現在有Taiwan Select，怎麼樣讓我們更多的企業能夠進入這個？怎麼做？ |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，我們這次在特別預算裡面有編了100億，這100億除了剛剛委員講到的協助海外展覽之外，另外還有針對廠商到海外擴展通路的部分，包括實體通路或是找通路商、找經銷商、代理商，甚至要設置展示中心，我們都可以協助他們，提供補貼的經費給他們去做市場的拓銷。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：可以嗎？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：我想要請問主計長，像這樣子的情況下，目前對這些企業進行補貼，其實我們知道，我們也是希望未來我們的稅收可以增加，我們也知道經濟成長來講，是不是應該要讓我們的出口增加？可是這一次對美關稅因應，有可能我們的出口沒有辦法增加，那我們的進口有可能又只能單一從美國來，是不是？不然要怎麼樣減少我們對美的利差，是不是？在這樣的情況下，我們怎麼樣能夠讓我們的經濟繼續成長？當然，你不能夠只看這幾個月搶單，是不是？你對於目前我們對美關稅的談判是有百分之百的信心嗎？有沒有？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：當然是有啦！因為我們…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以是10%？還是15%？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：這可能是經濟部會比較清楚，因為我們是在後面幕僚的單位，但我是覺得像這個部分，我們原則上是希望能夠透過特別條例的通過，然後我們來編列預算，給他一些資助，讓他渡過這個難關，至少讓我們的經濟成長能夠維持住一定的百分比，而不會往下一直掉。像第一季，其實我們的經濟成長也很好，有五點三幾，所以這個部分表現是很好，但是如何讓它不要一下落得很多，我們是希望能夠維持，這就是我們特別條例所希望要維持的。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以在野黨都有提出發現金，你們為什麼沒有評估發現金對於經濟刺激的情況呢？日本目前有提出要發現金三到五萬，暫時擱置了，但是那代表了也是在刺激內需，是不是？我們不知道這會落在什麼時候，這個就像藥一樣，要先準備好，好不好？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：因為以現在的時機來講，他們經過評估，發現金並不是最好的一個時機，我們在COVID那時候是因為大家經濟都非常的蕭條，所以那時候發現金就很能大力刺激，但以我們現在來講，其實我們的經濟景氣是看好的，所以這時段來發現金，感覺上是跟現在不太……所以我們商調的結果是發現金並不是最好的時機，院長他才決定並沒有把發現金排在裡面，所以這都是有考慮的啦！ |
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謝委員衣鳯：可是發現金的例子其實也不只有在日本，在新加坡、香港都有這樣的例子，你知道嗎？因為他們也不是等到經濟好的時候，他們是共享。當然，現在的經濟情勢是很險峻的，我們其實非常dynamic，我們也不知道落在什麼時候，是不是？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以在這個情況下藥要不要先準備好？對不對？因為我們也不知道什麼時候會用到啊！如果先準備好，萬一真的會用到呢？是不是？如果用到的時候，也要拿出來，這就是我們政府的政策啊！要拿出來用啊，對不對？我們手上的政策工具就是這些了，如果時候到了還不拿出來用嗎？還要藏在口袋嗎？是嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：不是，一般像健保的話也是，如果藥價要調高，我們要增加一些準備讓它將來對人民的影響是最少，所以健保會有一些相關的補助放在上面，是這樣子嘛！包括一些勞工相關的經費，勞保基金相關的都會放進去，所以有各方面的考量。各業務單位考量的這個部分，我們主計總處就針對這個經費來做一個處理，是這樣子。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好，我也是覺得很特別，因為我們在這個特別預算裡面又增加了國防，我們請柏副部長，主計長不要走。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：好。 |
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柏副部長鴻輝：委員好。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：我想請問有關國土韌性的部分，我們知道從過去以來，我們的貿易逆差都沒有算到國防對美的支出。 |
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柏副部長鴻輝：目前是沒有。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：這個部分要不要算？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：我想在未來來講，如果有機會，在國防預算裡面要把商售的部分加入到國防預算的比例上來講，對貿易利差會有影響。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：這個呢？這1,500億有沒有算？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：目前是…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：沒有算，還叫我們增加？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：報告委員，我想…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：你們是不是還有其他的軍購特別預算？是不是？你們為什麼不編在軍購特別預算裡面？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：但是就我們的國防預算仍然是遠遠不足的，以這次來講，我們極力爭取，我們的預算是在現在的基礎上能夠再加強、強化，然後擴大我們的能量和能力，我想這個是我們今天應付灰色地帶衝突最需要的，就是拿這些經費馬上添充，能夠彌補我們在基礎上面的不足，我想這是最快速的建立戰略方式，目前美國也是用這種方式來建立。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以你看主計長在你旁邊點頭，他也是想趕快算到我們的貿易利差數字裡面，對不對？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：我們當然是朝這方面努力。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：對美的談判才會好嘛！是不是？ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：我們也會把這列為談判的要項。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：你們有沒有極力去協助？在對美的溝通裡面，你們有沒有極力去協助？你們都沒有極力去協助嘛！ |
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柏副部長鴻輝：我們現在也在做這方面的考量，也跟委員報告，已經拿出來討論了。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好，我最後一點問何次長，還有台電的王總，郭智輝去美國了，結果他說如果補1,000億的話，台電就不用漲價了！你們為什麼都不敢講？ |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：你們是不是要趁他在美國的時候聯手把他幹掉啊？ |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，電價是由電價審議委員會決定的，我們會把這1,000億的補助，如果真的有…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：他都敢說，他如果在這裡，他就敢說了！ |
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何次長晉滄：會送到電價審議委員會裡面去討論。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：他會說這1,000億如果給台電，那就不用漲電價了！是不是？你們都不敢講啊！你們不敢講，人家怎麼敢給你呢？是不是？你們沒有一個人敢講啊！是不是？很多委員都提問了嘛！ |
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何次長晉滄：我們還是要尊重電價審議委員會。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：但你們都不敢講，不敢講電價不要漲，人家怎麼會要給你？立法委員是為民監督，你們都沒有給民眾好的條件的情況下，為什麼立法委員要答應你們？是不是？好，以上。謝謝。 |
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何次長晉滄：我們還是請委員支持。謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。休息5分鐘。 |
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休息（14時15分） |
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繼續開會（14時21分） |
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主席（謝委員衣鳯）：謝謝。 |
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現在請蔡易餘委員質詢。 |
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154 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
聯席會議-11-3-19,20-1 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
王正旭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[30] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[31] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[32] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[33] |
牛煦庭 |
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41 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-05-14 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1144901 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1144901_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查：一、行政院函請審議「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案；
二、本院國民黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案；三、
本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案；四、本院委
員蔡易餘等18人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案；五、本院
委員王美惠等17人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1144901_00002 |