| IVOD_ID |
161370 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161370 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-14T11:20:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-14T11:33:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4f2e91488ef6971bdb265fd2230ff1d5b7f4692fd5f06072c717538999138866aa4188f185dccfdb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:20:38 - 11:33:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關內政部及所屬預算解凍案(密件部分)。【秘密會議】二、邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關內政部及所屬預算解凍案(非密件部分)。【秘密會議結束後再進行第二、三項議程】
【5月12日（星期一）、14日（星期三）、15日（星期四）三天一次會】） |
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王委員美惠：（11時20分）主席，請部長跟國土署署長。 |
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主席：請部長跟署長。 |
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王委員美惠：部長、署長早。剛才我們很多同事很關心卓院長開會跟大家報告說，如何幫這些結婚以後生小孩的人解決他的住的問題，雖然今天報紙頭版刊登很大篇，但是有的人還不知道，好的政策我們希望可以多多宣傳，因為這對未來要結婚的年輕人非常有幫助。 |
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本席要跟部長跟署長探討的是，署長說的這個計畫是已經要上路，還是目前在想而已？再來，他說年輕人少子化，因為現在的人越生越少，像我們3月生的孩子跟4月生的孩子將近差到1,700個，這非常的嚴重，一個月差1,700個左右，這是非常的嚴重，對中華民國臺灣來說，孩子越生越少，一個月還差那麼多。 |
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再來，我們院長說，生一胎要補助50%，生第二胎要補助再50%。不過一般的百姓想說，生一胎補助50%，就是100塊的50%，等於國家出了50塊；這樣剩50%，如果又生第二胎，國家又出50%，不就等於100塊我都不用出了，是不是這樣？部長，你回答一下。 |
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劉部長世芳：感謝委員的關心，應該是說對未成年子女，現在房屋租金的補貼，我們會再增加50%，那你如果生兩個的話，會再增加50%，不是50%加50%啦。 |
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王委員美惠：來，署長。 |
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吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，我們縣市現在有所謂的租金補貼標準，它是根據每一個縣市訂出來的所得水準去做，所以這個50%是依現有的租金補貼金額再加50%，是這個意思，不是以房租，是以你領到的租金補貼的金額。 |
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王委員美惠：領的錢的50%？ |
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吳署長欣修：對，再加50%。 |
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王委員美惠：第二胎再50%？ |
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吳署長欣修：是。 |
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王委員美惠：再來第三胎呢？ |
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吳署長欣修：這個部分就會更多。 |
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王委員美惠：署長、部長，因為說實在，中央政策有的不好，我們要探討把它做的更好；有的很好，不過有時候地方都不知道。 |
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吳署長欣修：了解。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得這要地方跟中央配合，這個政策可以更好。 |
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吳署長欣修：這也是希望在少子化的情形裡面……現在根據其他部會的研究，居住條件大概是一個關鍵因素，所以你如果可以讓年輕人在住的方面有比較好的租金，他不一定住社宅，但是他去租房子如果有得到政府更好的照顧，他會比較願意生啦，所以希望由這個角度來提供一部分解決問題的辦法，當然不是完全靠這個政策，還有其他部會政策的幫助，比較有辦法…… |
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王委員美惠：好啦，我相信我們院長、中央所有的主管單位都期望少子化可以解決，像小孩出生要怎麼去補助，這也有很大的關係，不是只有租金而已。本席會跟你說到這個租金，就是因為我們現在在蓋社會住宅，年輕人住的地方也在蓋，但供不應求，尤其嘉義市等了很久，我們終於要完成我們嘉義市的社會住宅，不過等的時候，像昨天公布這個訊息之後，有很多人還打電話來服務處說，你們院長……我說那不是我的院長，是我們大家的院長。這會影響到他們未來要申請的，這也有很大的關係。這就像以前的人說，一缸米要給多少人吃，我們要讓那麼多人都享有這個資源才是最重要的。署長，也期望你這個問題要好好處理，我們期望這個政策可以趕快實行、趕快來做。署長請坐。 |
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我要請教消防署長，本席在去年11月有跟你們說，我們義消要身體檢查，不過據本席了解，每縣市的規定不同，我要跟你請教，什麼時候才會實施？因為說實在，每一個地方的訴求不同，工作也不同，我們看到打火弟兄發生事情的時候都是衝第一，我們一定要來顧他的身體檢查，這個問題你們要如何早日完成？署長，你回答一下。 |
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蕭署長煥章：感謝委員，消防跟義消的特定項目健康檢查今年開始做職安，而職安的中程計畫，部長在院長要核定以前，特別爭取每年差不多1,500萬的補助，所以義消跟消防…… |
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王委員美惠：我現在只要問你什麼時候可以用？ |
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蕭署長煥章：今年開始做，這已經跟縣市討論過了，要怎麼做，我們會配合縣市的需求。 |
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王委員美惠：跟縣市討論過了，什麼時候可以趕快做？我只要這個答案就好了。 |
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蕭署長煥章：經費有了，我們會催促縣市趕快處理，好不好？縣市準備好了，我們就開始進行。 |
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王委員美惠：經費有了就要趕快來處理，不要讓人家一直問、一直問，還有縣市問到最後都11月、12月了，明年的預算又來了，這樣就不好了。 |
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蕭署長煥章：我們再催一下縣市。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，打火弟兄都對我們付出，這個趕快要去處理，不要嘴巴說要處理，卻沒有行動，這樣不好。 |
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主席，再給我2分鐘，署長請坐。請教部長跟移民署，在這個過程…… |
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主席：請移民署。 |
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王委員美惠：我們最近都有看到大家在迎媽祖，大家都互相尊重那個信仰，後來我不知道是你們的失職，還是我們臺灣的自由？竟然你們不知道中國要來臺灣，尤其他還說他是要來交流、要來進香、迎媽祖，不過他申請的不是要迎媽祖，他是申請要去宜蘭進行農業交流的，在這個過程當中，署長、部長，他們要申請進來，難道我們不知道他們要做什麼嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳：跟委員報告，如果要進來進香或是要進來繞境，也包括要把神像帶進來臺灣，都是需要申請，但是他們申請是用假的理由。 |
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王委員美惠：用騙的？ |
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劉部長世芳：譬如透過宜蘭縣農會申請要來做農業科技交流，所以陸委會在邀集相關單位審查的時候，因為是做農業科技交流，農業部當然是同意，但是沒有想到農業科技交流卻變成繞境進香，然後全臺灣很多廟宇參與這方面的活動，這是第一個；第二個，他們也藉著蹭白沙屯媽祖繞境的活動，說他們有參與，我們後來發現這是假的訊息，比較重要就是我們國人有人到中國大陸去把神像請到臺灣來…… |
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王委員美惠：對，這是最重要的重點。 |
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劉部長世芳：以前應該是中國把自己廟宇的神像請到臺灣來的，所以這兩種新型態透過假的訊息來規避我們陸委會入臺審查的部分的話，我們會跟陸委會還有相關單位進行檢討後，再提供給委員參考。 |
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王委員美惠：部長，我會提出來說，就是這個過程當中，我覺得這個交流，他們如果正常的去申請，應該是沒問題吧！ |
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劉部長世芳：不會允許，中國的廟宇要來臺灣做繞境進香，我們基本上是不會同意的。 |
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王委員美惠：這才是重點啊！ |
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劉部長世芳：所以他們就用其他的方式來規避審查。 |
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王委員美惠：因為他們就是用這樣下去變的，我們臺灣要申請的時候，他們都會來統戰、都來亂說啦！在他們中國就沒有拜拜自由的，教會也好、拜拜也好，他們不會讓他們人民亂拜，所以是臺灣人配合他們的，臺灣人去領請媽祖來，他們說要來交流，結果配合下去，變成去迎媽祖啦！這是非常嚴重的。 |
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劉部長世芳：是，我們有針對這部分在做審查。 |
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王委員美惠：這就是來臺灣統戰的啦！所以部長，你們身為政府機關，有這麼多問題出來，更何況不是你們先發現的，是報紙刊登出來之後，你們才知道說，怎麼會這樣騙啊、騙啊、騙啊！騙到連神明都在騙。 |
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劉部長世芳：我相信在臺灣百分之百以上的宮廟跟神明都非常正派，但是有人透過這種在做統戰的部分，我們一定會查察，我覺得最不好的就是臺灣有人在配合他們做統戰，甚至他們自己本身也是民意代表，是前民意代表，這我們會查察，看他們有沒有違反兩岸人民關係條例，也會提送給有關單位來參考。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得要處理啦！我們中華民國、臺灣也有我們的法律，不能這樣亂來亂搞的，不是沒有政府的啦！以上。 |
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劉部長世芳：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：請高金素梅委員。 |
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332 |
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委員會-11-3-15-19 |
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張宏陸 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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黃捷 |
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牛煦庭 |
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許宇甄 |
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張智倫 |
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王美惠 |
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高金素梅 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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麥玉珍 |
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李柏毅 |
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吳琪銘 |
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張啓楷 |
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沈伯洋 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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丁學忠 |
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275 |
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2025-05-14 |
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1144901 |
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1144901_00006 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（含秘密會議）紀錄 |
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一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關內政部及所屬預算解凍案(密件部分)；二、邀請內政部部
長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關內政部
及所屬預算解凍案(非密件部分) |
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1144901_00005 |