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主席大家好我們請院長麻煩再請總院長備詢 |
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學員好 院長好我們要推動高雄AI產業鏈打造AI首都 Tech高雄這個Tech包括TechnologyEconomyCharming Happy叫科技經濟魅力華麗的高雄我們其實很多數位韌性需要再加強比如說數位港口高雄有海港有空港但是現在數位港還沒有 |
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所以我們希望說是不是有機會在高雄打造一個數位港口那他山之石可以工作新加坡這個案例其實我覺得還蠻不錯的就是吸引AI廠商建立金融特區跟舉辦國際會議加強AI投資我們現在有一些新創的預算但是是不是可以讓地方政府充分的利用我想我們 |
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整個中央的團隊可以再做一個思考然後呢 亞洲資訊管理中心這個也是高雄的機會那包括麥斯國際會議這一些我想我們一樣一樣希望說可以來接近新加坡然後呢 來增加我們高雄的AI的能量那我想我們 院長你先休息我們請那個速發部速發部長 |
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我想新加坡這個投資10億的新幣大概250億的台幣在AI的發展然後他們經發局也網羅全球的人才 |
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包括在Google在新加坡本來有3座資料中心現在已經2024今年設了第4座然後在台灣Google在我們彰化為主有資料中心微軟主要在桃園現在有一所叫做亞馬遜他打算投資高雄 |
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打算投資臺灣是不是有機會到高雄這個我們也希望說中央可以重視另外新加坡其實他很會吸收人才就是從科技準證吸引國際人才等等還有一些家庭辦公室等等有很多蠻好的措施我們想先請教一下就是海底電纜海纜霸權這個是一個最基本的條件 |
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新加坡上岸的大概有400垂簾的流量香港大概不到200的流量臺灣大概有109左右的流量那大部分都從北部的海南站上來北部有三個海南站那南部的仿山呢大概上來的流量大概不到一梯啦那我是希望說在高雄是不是有機會設立這個數位港口 |
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也就是說讓全球的資訊資料大數據可以在高雄上岸這個部分速發部是不是有規劃是跟委員報告本部已經在9月2號邀請相關部會包含國科會交通部和航港局港務公司以及高雄市政府召開座談會就是討論就是要這樣高雄海嵐的上岸地點那我們這個正在討論那我們會積極的進行這件事情 |
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什麼時候可以完成這個海欄站這個還在研商報告委員現在還沒有明確的日期估計的時間沒有按上現在都在跟時間賽跑目前我們了解的狀況因為這個有很多的部會必須一起合作一起負責包含高雄市政府所以我們這個事情可能雙方都要再加把勁 |
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現在跟院長報告希望說院長可以幫忙追進度就是我們現在高雄可能在興達電廠那邊有之前運煤的那個通道現在那個地方是一個很好的設置海底電纜站的地方那我們其實就是大概台電跟港務公司我們幾乎都溝通過跟速發部溝通過希望說這個部分速發部可以儘速進行也就是說你一個海纜登陸站先設定好 |
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將來其他海嵐公司都會陸續上來包括中華電信 包括其他民間業者海嵐公司都讓他上來我希望說速發部就是用一個公平的原則以前主要上來的海嵐站幾乎都是中華電信但是其實我們希望說有多個不同的進來這樣子對我們的數位韌性對於我們的國安治安 |
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蘇發部預定在10月2號我們會邀集7家國際海欄業者以及高雄市政府在進一步開會盡快加速這件事情還有就是蘇發部的100億的AI軟體應用的 |
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資金主要是for我們國內的企業還是可以for地方政府還是可以for國外的企業 |
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你可以看到新加坡他這裡什麼叫科技準證他去世界網絡人才 |
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那臺灣人其實真的很強在那個臺灣人有一個做那個Living Optics那個AI相機其實你看包括輝達黃仁鑫臺灣人包括AMD蘇之鋒臺灣人包括梁建厚美超委 |
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包括這一家這一家其實是臺灣人新創他這個其實用那個顏色可以做AI的辨識其實比人眼可能要強100倍這個其實他是人才但是其實他在英國然後被新加坡吸引去了所以就是說我們這一百 |
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新加坡走很前面 |
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當然我們不是都惡人但是好的我們可以學習所以你吸收國際人才包括你看像我們這個臺灣人叫新加坡吸氣我們也很沒差所以這個部分可能是為發展部跟國發會甚至跟經濟部我們是不是有一個國內的類似新加坡的經濟發展區 |
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經濟發展局跟特務一樣很厲害全世界各地的展覽他都去看看一看以後有什麼好的展覽他都去拜訪拜訪覺得將來有機會就把他找進來找進來以後這個是一個很強的企業他還可以增加就業機會可以增加國內投資 |
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所以這個角度事實上我們國內是不是請行政團隊可以組一個類似這樣子的團隊去全世界征服不是征服去找這樣一個優秀的人才到國內來我是覺得這個非常的重要 |
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是完全同意委員的看法發展AI高科技產業最重要的是人才最優秀的人才都希望居住在一個美麗迷人而且宜居的城市高雄是一個美麗迷人而且宜居的城市所以我們認為說高雄是發展AI一個很好的地點我們這個部分希望就是說我們跟 |
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中央需要專門去找人才的單位不管是經濟部、國發會、速發部也好要有這樣的方向去找甚至110的基金裏否國內企業有沒有否地方政府 |
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跟委員報告因為國發基金這筆這種國發基金目前不會說是直接拿給地方政府我們是主要是要主要是給企業而且是投資並不是補助如果地方政府要發展這一方面的專業但是呢這個地方政府呢他不能直接跟我們蘇發部跟國會申請那如果是企業他是一個 |
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國發基金主要是依據產創條例只要符合上面的規定各別企業也可以來申請我們的資金對 |
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所以我就說其實我們在評分的時候如果加上他跟地方政府合作可以前MOU可以增加他被我們核准的機會的話事實上地方政府他要發展會有角色否則你就看不到地方政府的角色我們可以看其實我們地方政府現在也很努力在招商我們可以看到那個輝達已經跟那個鴻海在我們高雄設台北灣所以那名字叫台北灣那是設在高雄那包括 |
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MD也要把研發中心進駐高雄所以我再一次的呼籲就是亞馬遜中央如果說有那個角度就是臺北當臺灣政治的首都高雄當臺灣AI的首都那現在高雄正好有這個條件不管是這一些科技大廠進駐那不管是我剛提到海南站我們希望說數化部可以盡快然後跟NCC能夠盡快把這個全世界你可以看新加坡那個網路 |
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新加坡你看那個海底電纜那個多強啊真的是全世界海底電纜現在幾乎是第一強的大概是新加坡那我們台灣其實這是我們一個學習的方向所以從星達電廠這裡我們電也比其他地方好我們在這邊大廠也來了甚至高雄也不缺水整體上來高雄的環境都很好那包括這一陣子其實陳其邁市長也 |
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委員．完整會議 |
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世界很強的一個AI城市這個部分是不是 院長可以認同謝謝委員 報告委員包括城市長他一直是非常努力在招商在引資 在留財的地方首長那高雄找一個適當的地點讓海嵐上岸所以包括委員剛剛所提的興達港在內我們還有幾個地方在評估 |
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那10月2號我們會邀集7家的廠商再進一步來演講如何把高雄打造一個更符合現在所謂南部S狼帶能夠發展的一個以高雄為中心向上發展的一個基地那這個部分是符合國家重大建設的謝謝院長我的意思是說AI其實在高雄應該就是中央部會能夠幫忙強化你可以看到AI三立就是人力 算力 應用力那我們的 |
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電力水利是另外必須要的東西 |
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海南站上來其實他需要的就是在包括我們的超級電腦我們的算力中心那這些其實也耗電那這些其實在我們高雄的條件比台北的北部的條件更適合很多所以現在就是幾個方面的條件將來我們希望說我們在這三例上面那能夠再加強那首先就是海南站上來再來就是資料中心跟超級電腦超級電腦現在也進來了 |
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將來做整個AI的應用能夠在高雄發光發熱把高雄的經驗可以推到全台灣甚至可以跟全世界結合所以剛才這個方向希望說蘇發部國發會以及經濟部可以幫忙來協助最後一個就是亞洲資產管理中心這個金融特區跟家族辦公室事實上我也看到新加坡也做得還不錯 |
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所以這個部分是不是有機會在高雄設置那甚至就是這個境外銀行等等的那高雄是一個這一部分是個處女地啦 |
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但是你著眼到未來的整個AI的開發這個部分是不是高雄一個非常重要的方向是 跟委員報告一下我們在這次推動台灣成為亞洲資產管理中心的16項計畫裡面其中有一項就是希望在高雄在過去既有的基礎上面我們能夠建置一個資產管理的一個專區或是一個聚落一個園區所以現在這個方向沒有問題 |
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我們已經在規劃的更細部的做法除了延續過去我們的既有的兩三年前會討論基礎以外我們最近還會把它加入有關私人銀行還有OPU還有一些其他的加入辦公室的機能在裡面這是以高雄為主這個非常重要所以這是包括AI的算力人力應用力整個軟體的發展的資源包括我們的 |
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謝謝許思杰委員的質詢：謝謝卓院長的備詢： |
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接下來我們請登記第19位黃建豪委員質詢好 謝謝大會主席我們請這個左院長麻煩再請左院長備詢 |
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委員好 院長好 院長我想首先一開始也要跟大家關心上禮拜我們想這個司法院判決出來說這個死刑存廢的問題當然這個司法院雖然說死刑何限但是呢他有要求說這個各省級合議庭法官的意見必須一致我想這是這樣在這個判決裡面講說法院組織法 |
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沒有明定要和議廷法官一致才可以判處死刑這件事情在違反了正當法律程序原則那我想問一下如果所有的法官在三省裡面所有的法官都要判決一致他才符合正當法律程序原則嗎是這樣嗎依照憲法法庭的解釋出來的文字看出來他有這樣的 |
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施政院院長施政報告 |
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相關機關兩年內要提出相關修法民調上看得很清楚84%的民眾是反對廢除死刑的如果相關機關要提出相關修法的話我想請問像行政院或法務部你們算不算相關機關 |
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跟委員報告 一直覺得這個是屬於平易的審判的一個失誤這是規定在法院指示法所以相關機關應該有這個是屬於司法院主管的一個法規所以要有司法院來做一個主政所以到時候所謂的修法版本不會有你們院版的版本會有行政院的版本他那個修法後會選行政院 |
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行政院會提出版本嗎還是全部都司法院來提那你法務部的立場是什麼你到時候一定會徵詢你們意見嗎因為我想這件事情提出來 |
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雖然說這個時期是合憲的但其實本質上他就是實質廢死了那本席在這邊講啊這東西如果要送到立法院我要講一下你們是民選政府的官員我們是民意代表我們是投票投出來的這麼多民眾去反對這件事情我真的不知道到時候送進立法院裡面在委會審查也好在大院討論也好我們立法委員要怎麼去審這個法案 |
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施法院等於這個判決等於凌駕立法院等於凌駕行政院的版本 |
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報告委員我並不認為現在等於就是把它說成是實質廢死用四個字來形容它原則上它是有條件的合憲我們在這個有條件合憲的框架底下把一些程序讓它完備完備程序的目的在於不要造成冤枉的判決 |
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但是我們在完備的過程當中我們可以對很多的過程比方說我們可以慎重對這些重大案件的各種事後的一些檢驗包括他是不是經過一定的鑑定這個鑑定的過程也要有 |
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跟社會能夠非常的接受再來就是我們可以改變一下居禁的方式用終身居禁來取代無期徒刑那樣的這個方式這個是未來司法跟行政院當中乃至於跟立法院大院當中我們互相可以討論的很多的重點所以原則上我不認為這就是實質廢棄有條件我們會把條件當成更合理化市政的立場一直覺得說要跟民眾跟立法院來溝通我就看看這兩年 |
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到底要怎麼樣溝通才能讓民眾接受這樣子要立審一致決的這個版本另外我要提醒一件事情如果立審一致決才能夠符合所謂的這個正當法律程序原則的話那是不是其他的行者其他的法律相關的法律不是只有死刑那竊盜呢強盜呢這些東西是不是立審都要一致他才符合正當法律程序原則 |
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委員提到這是屬於私體面的問題正當法律程序是要在刑訴訴訟法做一個規範所以 |
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對於強盜或其他的刑事罪者是不是也都要立審都要一致他才能夠符合如果今天那個判處死刑罪那個最嚴重的那個罪行如果說法院要判處死刑的話那根據憲法法庭憲判第8號的一個規定一個判決的意旨這個是要一致決他這個是屬於從一審二審到最高法院的那個都要所有的法官何一庭的法官都要做一致決才能判處死刑 |
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好 部長那還有個意見嘛那其實過去我們都知道說法院的三級三審是 |
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如果今天地方法院一審裡面光是一審裡面法官就覺得不需要的時候那他上訴到後面二審、三審之後那你等於剝奪了二審、三審的權利啦過去二審、三審可能跟一審有不一樣的結果那如果今天一審裡面就已經有說有法官不認為他被判處死刑是合理的如果有法官就覺得他不該被判處死刑那所以後面的二審、三審等於也被限制的相關權利了嘛 |
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這部份檢察官收到判決﹖會斟酌來做一個上訴不是 部長我請教一下專業問題如果今天一審有法官說認為這個罪犯他不能判處死刑所以一審的法官已經有這樣子的見解了那二審三審的法官他即便覺得他有判處死刑的必要性是不是也無解 |
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1703.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
這個沒有這個問題啊這個一審的話如果說他應該判死刑沒有判死刑的話我想這個檢察官會請求上訴或被害人家屬會請求檢察官來做一個上訴我們會審酌那個檢察會審酌那個判決法官判決良形是否妥適 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1703.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1711.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
所以你的立審一致決的這個部分是從一審裡面的法官到三審的法官都一致嗎?還是不是?三級三審繼續維持嗎?對啊,我就說要一致決 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1721.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1747.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
所以如果在地方法院在第一審的時候他就已經判決說不任務就是他已經沒有死刑有法官決定他不該判處死刑那到了檢察官如果覺得因為過去是這樣嘛過去檢察官如果覺得這個人罪行重大但是在地方法院如果沒有判處他死刑所以上訴到這高院高院如果能夠判處他死刑那是不是就有這個死刑的問題那如果現在地方法院第一審的時候就沒有判處死刑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1748.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1774.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
檢察官即便上訴了到二審之後二審的法官也不能推翻一審這件事情吧這個不一定要看個案他那個做一審的話應該一致那個一致決是要判死刑才有一致決的一個問題如果不是判死刑就沒有一致決的一個問題就譬如說一個最終的一個犯刑如果說一審的法院是判無期徒刑如果說檢察不服或被害人的家屬或被家屬會請求檢案來上訴那個上訴到二審 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1775.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1804.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
那當然以現判第80號的一個判決的意思那二審的話要判死刑還要一致決所以何以廷的三個法官都要都要認為就是要判死刑這才會這個當我確認這個東西我想民眾都非常關心啦我才利用這麼多時間來跟你們就教我想這個我們大家都很關心那個法務部也是非常關心這件事情二審如果說要三個二審的何以廷法官如果都決定要判處死刑如果啦假設某個個案是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1805.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1826.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
但是一審的時候還沒有被判處執行這件事情到底是有還是沒有他這樣有沒有能不能被執行事務上會有這種情形那個二審的話如果說認為一審的判決是並未妥適或違法的話二審可以改判二審可以改判嗎可以改判所以他的所謂的立審一次決就不存在了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1830.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1852.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
這個都要規定是要一字決才能判死刑啊但是如果說一字決他不判死刑的話我們還是可以上訴啊這個二審也是可以做一字決可以判死刑啊所以二審一字決如果判死刑就是可以判死刑跟一審無關不是因為不符一審的才有上訴到二審嘛二審審核如果一審的原來的判決是不非合法妥適 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1854.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1879.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
他這樣的話可以改判為實行只要一致決議可以改判為實行好 部長謝謝那我們後面繼續來討論這個問題謝謝部長委員的意思是說一二三審都要一致決對啊判時都要一致決那這個說法是不是在判事第8號這個解釋文上面引申我這樣的說法我認為一定會引起很多的討論的那我們再看看很多的法律專家所以這個說法並不一定是正確並不一定是照他自認這樣的說法一定會引起討論的修法還會再修吧好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1883.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1884.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
那接下來談論一下地方建設部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1887.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1913.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
我想我們也有關注我們行政院這個新任部長陳志凱部長的臉書我看到他前兩天發了一個這個reel講到說這個響應世界無車日呼籲民眾我剛剛有個截圖我有截到呼籲民眾來乘坐公共運輸那剛好他所在的位置在台北捷運的藍線那剛好我想明年的預算裡面也編列了台中捷運的藍線我想部長也出生在台中也很清楚知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1914.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1942.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
今天如果身為一個臺中市民他想要響應這個部長的呼籲響應我們院長的呼籲來響應這個世界無車日但卻只有一條捷運可以搭乘的話我想這個就很難去達到這個目標所以今天提到說我想翻到下一頁臺中市的整體捷運路網裡面先講這個捷運藍線當然預計明年要來動工但是我看目前送進來的這個院板的預算那當然現在程序委員會被退回但是目前的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1943.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1943.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1968.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1984.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
報告委員藍線的部分目前正在細部計畫的過程當中明年的預算的部分因為現在正在用地取得的部分用地取得本來就是地方政府會多一些所以它撥了八十幾億中央目前是只有五億 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1984.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1988.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
中央該補助的金額絕對會到照當時我們大家討論好的那個金額下去補助這個比例上都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2000.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2023.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
好 謝謝再來院長我要就叫一樣臺中捷運我想部長繼續留著跟這個捷運有關係剛剛上面這個章化的黃議員也有質詢過相關的議題就捷運綠線延伸線的問題我想這卡到所謂的章東都市計劃區那我想這個之前有提到說章東都市計劃區只要有審定那中期的綠線的綜合規劃就能夠抱怨來做相關的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2024.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2044.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
中間捷運綠線的部分往北是在我的選區在大坑往南是你以前部長以前的選區烏日到黃秀芳委員的選區到彰化等等的在這整條要做因為會卡到所謂的彰東都市計畫所以本期要問的是說有沒有解套的空間有沒有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2045.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2066.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
是分段通車的方式來執行因為我想北段這邊基本上沒有太大問題他就是很簡單的一個2點多公里的延伸線南段因為涉及到所謂都市計劃的問題那如果都市計劃因為江東都市計劃就如同剛剛前面黃秀芳委員所說的他從議員當到委員了這次自己還沒有成案 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2067.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2088.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
同樣問題捷運綠線延伸從我當議員到我現在當委員也是一樣看到那個建物的預留線留在那邊但是一直沒有什麼新的進度所以本席今天要問的是說捷運綠線延伸這件事情會因為張東都是計畫而卡關嗎還是有其他的方式可以讓他部分的分階段來通車過去有沒有其他的捷運可以這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2091.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2109.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
跟委員報告其實這個部分因為我知道臺中市這邊這一端大家希望說這個延伸北屯大坑的這一條線速度可以快一些但是因為往南往彰化那邊還有都市計畫的問題所以速度可能會緩一些慢一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2109.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2127.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
目前因為這條線的延伸正在綜合規劃的過程當中其實我們可以協助地方政府大家一起來討論一下有沒有可能分段來研究分段來研究也就是說我們大坑段的部分的綜合規劃是不是我們走快一點可不可以分段來處理這個部分我們會來協助地方政府大家一起來討論看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2128.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2129.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
臺中捷運目前虧損狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2145.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2164.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
解運虧損從以前的臺北解運以前的高雄解運大家都經歷過這段時間為什麼就是因為解運那時候就一條的時候它一定會虧損因為沒有人流嘛那今天我們希望入網能夠形成那今天明年來講解運藍線即將動工那台中的解運坦白講全國第二大城它的進度的確比其他城市慢了非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2165.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2194.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所以我想問一下我們這個行政院這邊到底對於未來我們捷運包含說局線連結到中科連結到台中車站還有捷運有一條紅線整個崇德路這一條很重要的紅線因為我知道紅線目前本來預計10年後才會開始評估那我們也有爭取我想交通部也支持行政院也支持希望讓這個捷運紅線能夠提早開始規劃我想問一下這兩個案子局線跟紅線有沒有機會加速的來趕快來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2197.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2225.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
跟委員報告目前局限我們正在可行性評估當中那這個部分就由市政府這邊他速度加快我們這邊也會來協助這個沒有問題我希望可行性研究的部分走快一點那另外一個部分您所提到的紅線也就是臺中的崇德一直到豐原的這一段那這一段確實現在的車流量非常的大那也因為您的爭取跟地方政府的爭取我們目前針對可行性研究的部分中央已經會盡量來提供協助跟補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2226.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2245.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
好 謝謝我們交通部的再次想感謝我們院長跟交通部這個臺中捷運真的非常重要要不然其實第二大城一直沒有捷運這件事情其實是很荒謬的事情所以要拜託這個中央權力的支持因為經費上面跟文書作業上各種的審查作業我們都希望能夠減短一點可以不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2247.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2247.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
院長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2271.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2295.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這過去有會勘過啦就是我們國立自然科學博物館的設備的更新經費我講科博館這個已經成立了快要40年了比我年紀還大我也在這邊當過志工啊我講科博館是臺中的很重要的一個場館也是全國來講很重要場館在統計上面來講他是全國第2 觀光人數道館人數第2名的這個博物館但他的經費他的這個設備的確我講的這個比較可憐一點的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2300.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2314.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我高中的時候16歲17歲的時候去當他的志工我跟院長報告如果今天你來台中科普館再參訪我還可以辦導覽因為沒有什麼改變啊那種基本上一樣20年前的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2315.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2344.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
那更不用講從以前到現在這個場館基本上沒有太大的更新所以這個當然相關計畫後續科目館他們應該也會報教育部也會報但是我要講的是我們今年其實有去會館有幾個比較重點的部分因為是有會議紀錄的會議紀錄沒有提到說包含說這個太空劇場太空劇場這個東西在幾十年前科目館剛落成的時候剛弄起來這個球型的所謂的這個劇場哇 那時候很先進啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2345.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2356.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
三十幾年前非常先進那時候還沒有IMAX那時候的科普館是非常先進的地方但是如果現在再去同樣的這個所謂太空劇場去看他的這個影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2357.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2366.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
這就有480P而已啊但我們現在都進入4K階段了結果他的影像還是這樣子沒有更新到所以那時候我們去會刊的時候當時這個會刊記錄有講說要試113年經費節約情形或最遲納入114年的預算來調配處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2375.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2375.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
〔記者訪問〕 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2391.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2409.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
甚至我們講科博館一年去看所謂太空劇場的人數大概24萬25萬人平均票價一張100元所以基本上你投資一個這個場館的這個費用2000多萬政府投資下去很快就能夠從觀光客從民眾從各界來的這個遊覽人士裡面來把它回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2410.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2420.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
這對政府來講應該不是一個太龐大的經費各方這是有會議紀錄也承諾要幫我們更新的但為什麼在明年預算裡面沒有看到相關的進度院長怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2423.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2448.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
我也同意我們包括自然科學在內日新月異的進步我們給國人或是給下一代年輕朋友應該有一個符合現代台灣在這個學科上面應該有的一個呈現那或許是沒有提到地方進行的需求那如果我們進一步的來請教委員或是地方政府或是其他的地方如果在往後的年度可以把它納進去一個計畫的話那我們應該可以審慎的來評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2451.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2466.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
沒有啦 院長你不能往後年度啦這個是會議紀錄我再給你報告一下這個是官方會議回來不是我們服務處做的喔我們服務處做的更細但是官方提供的會議紀錄裡面已經提了理論上今年113年度有結預款就可以拿來用或是最遲 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2467.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2468.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
教育部有沒有什麼計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2483.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2502.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
跟委員報告,非常感謝委員關心科博館的所有的工程,包括展示上的工程的改善。確實我們在112年已經有先給科博館有一個先期的規劃會, |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2504.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2516.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
當時也有關污水納管的工程跟太空劇場的這些雷射投影機的一個計畫確實當時也說在今年我們在汛期過後如果這個經費上能夠有剩餘的經費我們會優先來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2523.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2546.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那另外也跟委員報告科博館目前它本身這個基金的一個剩餘也有1億3千多萬所以當時我們也跟交館長說假設有急迫性你就先在現有的基金裡面先處理那至於這一個有關蓋新的一個大樓總共要大概我今天沒有提蓋新大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2547.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2550.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
該新建的大樓將近要50億我們已經先給規劃會了在去年就先給規劃會那今年在考慮在迅期之後我們也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2565.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2588.13 |
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這一個有關污水跟太空機場的這一個部分的一個改善我們也同意在信息的經費節餘我們會優先來補助那如果在時間上交館長他認為應該優先處理我們也同意他這一個在現有的一個基金裡邊有還有一億三千多萬他可以優先來做處理 |
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我想這個不是單一館長或單一場館的問題啦我今天會在這邊提如果今天只是一個場館問題我們就私下寫一條會就好今天特別提出來跟院長講就是因為今天這個是官方的會議紀錄有講了明確的講了要列入最遲114年教育部的預算裡面 |
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結果卻沒有列入那我是說這樣的承諾這樣子會議記錄不就等於無效了嗎那如果以後都這樣子做的話那立法委員跟行政部門之間要怎麼樣互信要怎麼樣去溝通要怎麼樣去協調 |
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今天是白紙黑字寫的不是空口說白話 大家好好好基本上講一講就沒事了今天是有官方會議紀錄的東西那如果今天剛剛你提到的這個什麼場館50億那個東西我知道所以我也沒在這邊提因為那個是長期計畫今天是簡短的 簡單的國家預算三兆多裡面這個攸關國家科學發展一個場館也就是兩千多萬頂多四千萬不同計畫裡面今天一個設備兩千多萬拿不出來 |
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這還是政府承諾要給的為什麼會沒有呢報告委員剛剛部長所說這個自然科學博物館現在有1億多的剩餘館那館長他已經部長有指示他如果有進擊需要就這個部分來使用我想不管是教育部院裡面我們都同意也支持這樣的使用好 議長謝謝部長謝謝接下來我想下個月是國慶日 |
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我想這提到國慶喔我想最近大家常常暑假期間﹖很多委員都訪美我也跟院長﹖跟大院來分享在去訪美之後看到一個景象就是呢他們真的家家戶戶﹖很多企業也好﹖民間也好真的四處都會輕易的見到他們美國的國情那這個場景在台灣相對來講會比較少見一點 |
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國慶 國慶 國慶 國慶 |
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當然相關的這個法令有要求啦這個紀念日節日實施辦法國家紀念日是要來在中央機關在機關裡面來懸掛國旗但是並沒有去鼓勵民間來懸掛國旗所以我今天特別提出來是希望說向院長提出建議是不是能夠獎勵或補助民眾在特定的節日或是什麼國旗日或國慶日等等的來購買或者你就乾脆送大家去掛國旗嘛 |
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院長你覺得這有可能嗎謝謝委員雖然我認為國旗重要是掛在心中但是能夠掛在路面上過幾天你就會看到整個凱道都會有很多的國旗總統府也開始布置了每個人讓自己對愛國心的表達會有不同的方式我們都予以尊重那懸掛國旗當然也是一種就像我們在奧運的時候我們雖然看到的是我們的會旗但是唱起國旗歌大家還是非常澎湃像我也把國旗放在手錶上這個也是一種表示你也看到 |
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謝謝 謝謝院長我想這個還是要提一下這個最近用者名叫做認知作戰認知作戰對內也很重要就讓民眾認知到我們是這個中華民國我們對外團結一致所以這個平常就要建立起來這也是我去這個暑假期間訪美的時候特別看到他們國家甚至跟他們政治部聊天他們也講平常就要建立起這樣的文化 |
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凡事有助於國人團結以國家為最終目標的這種團結任何的表現的形式我都認為是好的 |
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不僅是尊重如果大家有好的意見我們都可以共同來討論也支持好 院長謝謝那接下來現在沒有多少時間了我延續上一次的這個質詢有提到所謂外籍勞工的問題 |
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在上次7月9號的時候我們跟院長總質詢的時候也提到下半年會來討論開放所謂外籍家庭幫傭的議題那院長也提到說營造更好的帶小孩的環境讓女性能夠重新參與勞動市場絕對是對生育率有所幫助那所以本國目前是這個三名60歲以下才能申請這個家庭幫傭比較嚴下半年要來檢討那這個部長也提到下半年要來檢討那我想已經下半年了已經即將第四季啦 |
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請部長跟委員說明我們之間討論的過程跟現在的想法跟委員報告 院長一直非常關心然後也一直指示我們要針對您的這個提議要來研究那麼先跟您報告我們初步先使用我們先進行我們的多元陪伴服務方案的處理現在我們已經 |
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進入這個正式的把多元陪伴服務反而就是所謂的終點移工我們甚至已經把這個具體的那個時程都訂出來了大概在今年11月底我們就可以提供服務了那我們是不是先就這個方案來先做一個試辦之後呢我們會在下半年我們看這個方案進行的情況如何因為其實這個方案其實也有點類似 |
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可以類似就是像家庭幫傭這樣的功能對於顧老跟顧小都可以cover而且是沒有這一個服務對象的這個資格的設限的所以是不是可以允許我們把這個事辦方案我們看成效如何如果可以的話也許我們逐步來推動委員所提的建議這樣子部長謝謝因為其實這個提出來最主要就是希望 |
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因為今天少子化我想今年是農年大家看到數據也很驚訝就是說過往少子化理論上不是少子化農年的生育率理論上會反彈一下下再往下跌但是今年完全沒有看到這狀況所以這個 |
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少子化是一個非常嚴肅的議題那少子化當然很多原因那其中一個最重要的就是現代的雙薪家庭的問題嘛我今天之所以提出來這個外籍幫優放寬的原因就第一個我國的這個所謂的白領的外籍這個這些這個高階白領階級他們是可以直接看薪水來決定 |
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放寬他們去請這個所謂外籍的幫友但是本國籍的是要就像我提到的你必須要有3個6歲以下的孩童你才能夠去請我想這個對比落差非常大那正常現在多數的家庭誰家裡會有3個6歲以下的孩童根本就不可能那不可能的情況下這個法規就形成劇文嘛那我們當然希望說能夠讓雙薪家庭因為現在基本上都是雙薪家庭 |
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他除了上班之外回來他能夠鬆開他的雙手他可以不用去背這些書房他可以多背他的小孩甚至陪他上學等等的所以我們才希望說這個方向能夠往這方向去走好不好 院長跟部長 |
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最後剩下一分鐘我來跟大家討論一下我們社會主宰的問題 |
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先看這個數字啊5月31號的時候目標還是12萬6869到8月31不知道為什麼只剩下12萬1938有五千會不見當然細節我們沒辦法跟討論了因為時間不夠但是這個數字我想讓院長看到一下就為什麼我們的社會住宅的這個數字降低反而降低了那另外我想今天稍早其他委員有關心社宅政策有提到所謂住宅基金的問題那當時候大家講說這個 |
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社會住宅跟租金補貼彼此之間不衝突但是我們細究一下所謂住宅基金的數字在明年度的預算裡面社宅在住宅基金裡面只有38億7千萬左右大概40億到包租代管50億租金補貼350億換句話說租房這件事情包租代管加租金補貼就佔了400億那你社宅只花了38億 |
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所以我想這個數字來講的話其實對於整個這個百萬社宅計畫你等於是拿那個租屋的補貼的計畫來填充啊好 謝謝 謝謝黃建豪委員的質詢謝謝卓院長的備詢接下來我們請登記第20號陳素月委員請質詢 |
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陳委員好 |
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主委長午安辛苦了不會我們知道這個就是農業可以說是國家一個很重要的部分那彰化縣是農業也是工業的農工混合大縣那在南彰化也是重要的一個農業生產區那目前因為就是國土計畫法就是實施在即 |
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因為在2015年12月18號在立法院完成刪讀之後一直到2016年5月1號在馬英九總統任內即將卸任之前來公告要施行那目前就是要一直按照這個時程在進行當中那隨著這個要實施的這個時間的一個逼近那在地方真的也越來越多人在討論關注這個議題尤其是很多我們就是農業地區的一些農民 |
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因為他們對於他們的農地﹐他們的土地﹐他們的非常的關心因為相信大家都聽過一句話因為以前老一輩的人都說有土思有財所以這個土地對農民來說真的是他們要就是非常在意捍衛的一個要項所以現在這地方都在 |
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封傳說這個國土計劃法若實施之後 農地就要被判死刑了然後農民就永無翻身之日了所以對這樣子的一個說法 我不曉得我們行政部門有什麼可以去澄清的 |
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請陳部長說明我跟委員說明其實國土計畫裡面針對農業發展區的部分其實我們都有一個共通的目的就是為了農序永續發展這是非常重要的而且不會讓過往的土地的破碎化而造成更嚴重的一個生態的影響 |
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委員長施政報告 |
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以農業部的一個立場他們這樣子的一個不同的考量是可以持續做溝通的因為畫社有畫社的原則但是也會依據縣市政府當地所在的產業的需求而調整但是非常重要就是中央跟地方一定會互相去做後續的溝通跟討論這是非常重要的那第三個部分要跟委員說明的就是 |
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農業部針對整個農地農用的部分來講是完全沒有影響你只要農地從事農用的部分完全沒有影響那農業部也會持續的針對配合整個國家的希望工程裡面我們會發展以農村為發展中心的一個永續的支持系統 |
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這個支持系統就是我們看農地絕對不能是看農一農二因為農業不只是生產 農業還有很多的農村的一個生活這個部分我想我們會持續的去規劃跟執行它不會因為國土計畫的一個如期實施或延後而改變以上 |
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我們從《國土計畫法》立法的要旨有提到為了因應氣候變遷確保國土安全保育自然環境與人文資產促進資源與產業合理配置強化國土整合管理機制 |
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並賦予環境敏感與國土破壞地區﹐追求國家永續發展以這樣的一個立法的目的當然我們都贊成可是我想請教一下院長就是國土計畫法真的實施之後就是可以達到這樣的一個理想的境界嗎就是可以解決目前的這個農地面臨的問題的一個萬靈丹嗎 |
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依照剛剛委員所列的施政表國土激發法在公告立法的時候我認為還是會站在一個以國家土地永續利用的這種方式來保存最好的農地的方向來進展 |
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但是現在看起來很多國人或是農民對他裡面的一些文字等等的解釋都會產生疑慮那這個部分內政部也好農業部也好這期間以來實際上非常積極的在做溝通跟說明 |
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國務院議員 |
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當然這是一個問題可是我們就是說就目前已經送出來的就是說或者是已經有草案的這些資料來看我們看出來就是說國土計畫的實施號稱說未來希望就是讓這個農地種量不變就是要追求國家的永續一個發展 |
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此外﹐ |
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我們也看到有一個縣市它針對這個水庫的這個區域它原本目前是屬於山坡地的保育區可是它如果在國土計畫法調整之後它反而變成龍山是可以開發的這樣不是也是違背了我們要追求國土保育的一個要旨嗎所以這個目前就是說我們看到很多存在一些矛盾所以當然會引起民眾的疑慮 |
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那也讓很多有心人士來見縫插針所以就造成地方的紛紛擾擾 民心不安所以我覺得說 如果一個政策沒有辦法說服民眾 說服農民而且這個政策如果說實施之後沒有辦法比以前的這個政策更好的話我們是不是要先緩一緩來在審慎的一個評估之後再來實施 院長請你內政部回答 |
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謝謝委員 非常關心農業跟農民的權益我們知道說這個國土計畫法他是在明年的時候要所謂的一併公告目前13個縣市送上來表示13個縣市他們在有關於國土計畫的功能分區上面他們願意跟中央政府來多做溝通委員所關心比較多是在於農地方面的處理 |
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目前為止 農地的處理還有農業本身的發展在我們的檢討當中我們認為應該把鄉村規劃或是跟農業發展好好的把它劃到我們的國土計劃裡面同時針對已經送上來的13個縣市政府裡面我們也認為說他們有討論的空間委員所提到說也許有某一個什麼水庫區域裡面它可能在劃地上面有問題事實上 |
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在國土計劃法徵政開始實施第11年也就是115年之後我們會有國土的永續發展基金大概目前編列是以500億的方式來解決有關這個環境敏感地區裡面如果碰到國土富裕的時候必須要做其他的補償或其他的相對的對立的措施所以不管是說因應氣候變遷或者是環境保育我們其實一步一步往前走但是對於有關於農地的劃分的部分的話就會像這個委員所說的部分 |
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我們現在對於農一農二總共的總量的管制其實要各個縣市地方政府願意坐下來跟農業部或是跟內政部一起來討論才有一個發展的方向所以委員跟很多其他關心的委員所開的這個記者會我們是一個字一個字在評估當中如果認為《國土計畫法》有修正的必要的話我們願意從善如流但是所謂的展言的部分並沒有完全解決問題 |
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展言的話你沒有辦法對已經繳交國土功能分區表的縣市表示說這個展言對他們有任何其他繼續往前走的部分所以我們在想說有沒有什麼樣的方式讓縣市地方政府在處理相關的這個農地或是其他的土地城鄉發展的區域劃分的時候可以繼續跟中央政府保持溝通但是這樣子的一個國土功能分區的部分就是不要停 |
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謝謝部長那因為我們就是說在這個國土計畫法目前在就是進行的當中我們就是就如同我剛剛所舉的兩個點就是我們可以看得出來 |
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﹚國土計劃法﹚ |
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我來請教一下有關龍筍的部分在這次7月下旬有關楷米颱風造成我們全國從北到南很多的災害包括不管是淹水也好或是農業的損失 |
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當時總統跟院長都有馬上去勘栽而且都馬上對外宣誓說對農業的施的現金救助部分要重塑、重寬、重減可是目前已經過了一個多月快兩個月了目前很多的農民他們都還沒有收到 |
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請部長關心一下 |
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我先跟委員說明就是在那個堪比颱風來的時候其實我們做的幾件事情是比過往更快速的就是過往都是地方去勘察以後報到中央以後再公告那這一次我們是由中央的同仁跟地方一起地方看了以後就主動公告那那個時間大概省了7天到10天這個過程 |
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公告以後本身的因為還是要回到公所去審查那有一部分是免現刊的我們認為他的災情如果有普遍性而且有一致性的時候我們就會公告為免現刊那免現刊的話就不用去現場看你只要有這個耕作的事實那這個部分也重述了那唯一比較麻煩的就是因為這一次的那個品項比較多公所還是要在現場去看 |
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現場看了以後還要獻福還要復刊復刊完了以後才報農業部那農業部7天之內一定會付款所以現在這個後面的部分我們會在那裏努力後續看用怎麼樣的方式來教訓接下來就是這個農損部分就是拜託部長這邊能夠多加關心讓農民真的可以感受到我們政府對他們照顧的一個心意 |
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另外一個問題我想請問一下有關這個流浪犬的問題就是在我的選區在彰化縣這個流浪犬的數字真的很高那在二水就是有這個愛護動物的善心人士他主動的來提供 |
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來協助做流浪犬的收容進行結紮再回放因為它利用的土地是在林務局的土地目前林務局本來要跟它開罰目前是沒有開單可是要求它要移除 |
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可是我覺得這個不是他個人的問題因為他也是做義務性的所以這個應該是整個公部門要來解決的問題如果說他今天他也撒手不管的時候那整個市變成風博廣場風博嶺這個風景區就是都是流浪犬在那邊亂竄對旅客 遊客也是一個很大的一個威脅所以我們希望就是說在這個流浪犬的一個安置因為我們知道當然就是說目前一個時代的進步我們都 |
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最後一個問題我們知道就是說在最近兩年因為 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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所得到訊息就是中午回辦公室的時候那檢調單位針對雞蛋的部分有來請續場會的同仁跟相關的本會的同仁到那個應該是檢調單位那邊去做一些詢問跟約談那至於說到底是什麼樣的方式我想因為正常不公開的方式我不便說明 |
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對當然我們尊重偵查部公開當然就是說這個農業部真的是責任重大因為就是關心著這個民生的議題不管是農民的這個農業的生產或者是畜牧業等等真的這個面向非常的廣尤其是面對目前面臨這個極端氣候的一個威脅那真的是我們要做的事情非常的多那我們也希望我們的陳部長要加油 |
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陳素月委員的質詢 也謝謝卓院長的備詢 |
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報告委員會 我們本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢我們非常謝謝卓院長 曾副院長以及各部會首長列席的答詢先來做以下決定 下次會議繼續進行施政報告之質詢我們先來散會 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次會議（事由：行政院院長施政報告並備質詢） |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:10:00 - 17:22:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16133 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16133 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-24T16:10:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-24T17:22:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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