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報告院會我們現在請秘書長報告出席人數報告之前我們首先歡迎卓榮泰院長行政團內歷齡立法院第二會席我們掌聲歡迎好請秘書長出席報告人數報告各位委員報告院會出席委員62人已足法定人數 |
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我們現在開會先處理朝野協商黨團協商結論請議事人員宣讀 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間113年9月18日星期三上午10時30分地點紅樓302會議室決定事項一各黨團同意定於9月20日星期五舉行第11屆第2會期第一次會議開議日本會期自9月20日星期五起每週五至即次週二視為一次院會國事論壇及臨時提案依往例處理週五上午9時至10時為國事論壇時間週二下午10至6時處理臨時提案 |
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執行期間週二下午1時50分至2時30分處理臨時提案第一次會議一時日程以草案競送院會處理有關23日星期一加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜並同第一次會議一程草案 |
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一黨團提出進行處理二9月20日星期五上午10時開會進行相關議程並邀請行政院院長率同各部會所長列席進行施政報告並備質詢報告後隨即進行政黨質詢當日質詢人數由國民黨黨團推敗三人民進黨黨團推敗三人 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團推派一人進行執行順序依國民黨黨團臺灣民眾黨黨團民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行有關執行期間之順序及人數均依利授權議事處辦理當次會議不處理臨時提案並不進行國事論壇主持人韓國瑜將啟程協商代表副官級臨時民柯建銘吳世耀蔡義瑜黃國昌麥玉珍吳春成宣讀完畢 |
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請問院會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有無異議沒有異議我們就通過113年9月18日朝野黨團協商結論今決定如下一 各黨團同意於9月20日星期五舉行 |
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第11屆第2會期第1次會議開議日本會期至9月20日星期五起每週五及每週二視為一次院會國事論壇及臨時提案依往例處理週五上午9點至10點為國事論壇時間週二下午5點至6點處理臨時提案 |
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執行期間 週二下午1點50分至2點30分處理臨時提案第一次會議議事日程以草案競送院會處理有關23日星期一加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜並同第一次會議議程草案 |
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黨團提出進行處理二、9月20號星期五上午10點開會進行相關議程並邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備質詢 |
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報告後隨即進行政黨質詢當日質詢人數由國民黨團推派3位 |
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民進黨黨團推派三位台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位進行質詢順序一國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行有關質詢期間之順序及人數 |
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均依例授權議事處辦理當次會議不處理臨時提案並不進行國事論壇報告委員會現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提出權宜問題我們現在進行休息進行溝通謝謝現在我們休息 |
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報告委員會現在我們繼續開會現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提出權益問題要求院會於會議開始前確認通傳會翁伯忠代理主委之備詢資格使得進行施政報告報告委員會有關翁伯忠代理主委備詢資格卻有審酌空間不過 |
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本次會議臺灣民眾黨黨團已經提出國家通訊傳播委員會組織法制修正案及一般提案上代院會處理因此本權宜問題雖有審酌空間但因上開考量所以就暫不處理列入公報記錄 |
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謝謝報告院會現在我們繼續進行開會依協商結論本次會議議事日程以草案競送院會處理現在我們進行確認議程現有黨團依本院議事成立對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議 |
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現在我們進行處理並截止收案報告事項部分因沒有黨團提出異議本次會議報告事項及質詢事項我們就照原編您議程草案通過報告委員會現在我們繼續 |
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依序處理各黨團提議我們現在首先進行台灣民眾黨黨團共兩案先進行第一案請議事人員宣讀提議內容 |
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本院臺灣民眾黨黨團針對第11屆第2會期第1次會議．事日程草案提議增列討論事項二案如下列表列為討論事項第一及第二案並請與行政院院長率同課部會所長列席進行施政報告並備質詢前先行處理是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢請問院會對臺灣民眾黨黨團之提議有無異議 |
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沒有異議我們就本題照案通過報告委員會現在處理臺灣民眾黨黨團提出第二案請議事人員宣讀題內容 |
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本院臺灣民眾黨黨團針對第11屆第2會期第1次會議．事由．草案依據113年9月18日立法院黨團協商結論有關23日星期一加科院會處理相關專案報告事宜並同第1次會議．成草案依黨團提出進行處理原提議增列質詢事項一案容下列表列為9月23日星期一之質詢事項是否有當進行公決 |
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請問 院會對臺灣民眾黨黨團之提議有無異議沒有異議 本提議照案通過納入討論事項依序排列報告院會 現在處理民進黨黨團提案共一案請議事人員宣讀提議內容 |
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本院民進黨黨團 針對立法院第11屆第2會期第1次會議一事成草案 禮請增列討論事項議案如附表 是否有當進行公決 宣讀完畢 |
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請問議員會：對國民黨黨團之提議有異議 |
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沒有異議我們本提議照案通過報告委員會現在處理國民黨團提議第二案請議事人員宣讀提議內容請問院會對國民黨團提議有無異議沒有異議我們本案本提議照案通過 |
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報告委員會本次會議討論事項議案順序授權依序排列報告委員會依9月18日協商結論9月20號星期五及24日星期二邀請行政院院長等列席進行施政報告並備質詢本次會議議事日程確定 |
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現在我們進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第一會期第二十二次會議議事錄 |
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選擇立法院第11屆第1會期第2次會議意思錄時間 中華民國103年7月12日上午9時至9時14分10時14分至下午2時34分30時32分至11時52分7月15日上午10時至12時34分下午30時2分至30時21分40時26分至25分80時至10時15分7月16日上午9時3分至11時48分下午 |
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二十三十分至十一時五十分﹐地點本院議場出席委員﹐陳委員昭氏等一百十三人﹐主席院長韓國瑜﹐副院長江啟臣﹐報告事項第一案宣讀本院第11屆第一會期第21次會議事度﹐決定確定 |
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5212.199 |
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5220.441 |
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第2、15、18、20、30、34、37、44、46、70、72至453案均決定交互相關委員會審查或交互相關委員會第3至13案均決定退回程序委員會重新提出第14、16案均決定進戶報讀並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商第17、19、33案均決定令定期處理 |
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5241.24 |
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5257.856 |
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第35、36、45、71案均決定經獲讀與相關提案並按協商第47、46、49案均決定同意撤回第454案為社會福利及衛生環境委員會所提示報告案 |
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5258.957 |
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5276.55 |
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執行事項夾 行政案答案部分6件 以本院委員執行部分9件 討論事項第一至十八 二十一 二十二 二十四 二十八 三十至三十四 四十二至四十四 四十六至四十八案均決議通過 第十九案決議 |
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5278.564 |
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5291.553 |
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重複司法及法治委員會審查﹖第20 233 50 51案均決議﹖協商後再行處理﹖第27 28案均決議﹖互議案不通過﹖第29 45案均決議﹖不宜審議並通過決議﹖第36至40 49案均決議﹖交互黨團協商﹖第41案決議﹖維持現行條文﹖不宜修正並通過決議﹖ |
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5309.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
5327.039 |
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第52案 決議另定其處理其他事項一 貶制會議一事日程照103年7月12日朝野黨團協商結論及各黨團共事決定二 國民黨黨團提議抽出禁貿圖事案民進黨黨團 台灣民眾黨團 |
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5330.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
5353.866 |
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分別提議抽出靜默讀一案均予以通過國民黨黨團提議延長開會時間三案均予以通過宣讀完畢報言會針對第一會期第二十二次會議的意思錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們做以下之決定第一會期第二十二次會議意思錄確定請宣讀第二案 |
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5354.502 |
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5378.22 |
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第二案 總統 則依據《中華民國憲法》徵修條文第五條規定提名張文貞 姚立敏 何賴傑 陳韻才 王碧芳 廖福特 劉靜儀七位為司法院大法官並以張文貞為院長 姚立敏為副院長 此請同意案議事處意見 禮請院會交全院委員會審查宣讀完畢法院會有無異議無異議通過下議案 |
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5378.871 |
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5400.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
第3案 本月委員張家俊的17人離聚 電業法增令第33條之一條文草案請選一案 議事處意見 您請會交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第4案 本月委員林思明的19人離聚 全身輔導法部分條文修正草案請選一案 議事處意見 您請會交教育界文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
5401.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
5419.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
第5案 本院委員楊瓊英等20人離聚 交防法第43條及第43條之一條維修正常案請水銀案 議事處意見 您請問會交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第6案 本院委員楊瓊英等20人離聚 第1宴法第6條條維修正常案請水銀案 議事處意見 您請問會交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
5424.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
5446.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
第7案 本院委員牛許廷等22人離聚 消防法部份條文修正草原情緒一案 一事促進理情委會交財政委員會審查 宣傳完畢第8案 本院委員牛許廷等16人離聚 銀行法第125條及第125條之4條文修正草原情緒一案 一事促進理情委會交財政委員會審查 宣傳完畢 |
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5447.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
5448.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
委員：下言委員：下言 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
5474.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
5498.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
第11案 本院委員 劉許廷等25人離聚在應管政法第2條及第26條條文修正草案請選一案議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第12案 本院委員 葉元智等21人離聚性別平等工作法第20條條文修正草案請選一案議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
5499.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
5524.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
第13案 本院委員葉元智等20人離去 學校衛生法第24條條維修正草案請水一案 議事處意見你請會交教務及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第14案 本院委員杭建豪等23人離去 兒童青少年福利與權益保障法第69條及第103條條維修正草案請水一案 議事處意見你請會交社會福利及衛生環境委會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
5525.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
5551.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
第15案本院委員黃建豪等23人理據性侵犯犯罪防治法部分條文修正裁判請選一案依次促進立行匯交社會福利修正環境司法及法治兩務委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下議案第16案本院委員李燕秀等18人理據公務人員任用法第36條之一條務修正裁判請選一案依次促進立行匯交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
5551.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
5571.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第17案 本院委員李坤神等26人離聚﹐從務時平安循環理法草案請選一案﹐一時初一間你請回交經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢第18案 本院台灣民眾黨黨團離聚﹐所在稅法第17條條務修正草案請選一案﹐一時初一間你請回交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
5572.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
5593.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
第19案 本院臺灣民眾腦腦團理局公共法部份條文修正財運情緒一案 依次促進立行匯交財政委員會審查 宣布完畢第20案 本院臺灣民眾腦腦團理局供應財權方針條例部份條文修正財運情緒一案 依次促進立行匯交財政社會福利救生環境兩委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
5595.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
5617.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
第21案 本院臺灣民眾黨黨團理局 人工智慧發展及管理條例草案請審議案 依次促進立行會交交通委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下議案第22案 本院臺灣民眾黨黨團理局 新聞媒體與數位科技平臺公平發展法草案請審議案依次促進立行會交交通教育界文化兩委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
5617.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
5639.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
第23案 本院臺灣民眾腦腦團理局 情勢訴訟法 部分條文修正草案請選一案 依次促進理情會交 司法及法律委員會審查 宣讀完畢第24案 本院臺灣民眾腦腦團理局 國家通訊宣佈委員會 組織法 第16條條文修正草案請選一案 依次促進理情會交 司法及法律交通 兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
5640.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
5646.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
報告事項第24案現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提議禁服二讀並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
5658.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5681.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
第25案 本院務員何清淳以撤回前提之《老年農民福利的今天》賺錢條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案案 依次促進 依請院會同意撤回 宣讀完畢無疑通過下一案第26案 本院台灣民眾老人團以撤回前提之所得稅罰的十七條條文修正草案案 依次促進 依請院會同意撤回 宣讀完畢無疑通過下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
5681.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
5683.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
第27案第28案無異通過下一案無異通過下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
5707.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5708.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
第29案：第3選案：第31案： |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
5734.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5736.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
無異通過下議案無異通過下議案無異通過下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
5757.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5778.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
第34案．經常願函情選役．經常發布分條維修正常委案．一事出現．禮請匯交司法及法制委員會審查．宣讀完畢第35案．行政院函情選役一百十四年度．中央政府總預算案．含附屬單位預算．綜計表應業及分業部分．中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫．第五期特別預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
5779.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5796.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
議事處意見﹖聯邢院會定期舉行會議﹖邀請行政院院長﹖主席長﹖財政部部長﹖國家發展委員會主任委員及向外部會首長列席報告一百十四年度施政計劃一百十四年度中央政府總預算案及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計劃第五期特別預算案編制經過並備質詢宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
5800.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
5816.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
報告院會 報告事項第35案現有高金素美委員等提議退回程序委員會重新提出請問院會有異議反對好 我們有異議進行表決表決按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡現在我們開始按鈴 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
6279.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
6306.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
發言會請問每位委員的表決卡是否都已拿到手好 謝謝我們報告事項第三十五案高精素每委員提議退回程序委員會重新提出我們現在進行表決贊成高精委員提案退回程序委員會提出請按贊成反對高精委員提出請按反對記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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6383.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
6402.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
報告表決結果我們出席105位委員贊成59位反對46位贊成者多數報告本案退回程序委員會我們現在進行下案第36案 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
6403.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
6428.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
第36案 審計部還請審議中華民國一百十二年度中央政府所決算暨附屬單位決算暨送計表審核報告案．1次處理監理委員會定期舉行會議．有請審計長立即報告審核經過並備諮詢．閱讀完畢發言委員有異．無異通過下一案第37案 德國立委員會含送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會一百十四年度預算書案．1次處理監理委員會將內政委員會審查．閱讀完畢無異通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
6434.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
6434.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
報告委員會 |
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6450.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
6450.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
38案照案通過下頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
6465.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
6477.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
第39 原住民族委員會韓宋財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會一百十四年度預算書案：第40 客家委員會韓宋財團法人客家公共傳播基金會一百十四年度預算書案： |
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6490.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
6492.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
李四十一案李四十二案李四十二案李四十二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
6512.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
6513.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
第43案：第44案：第44案： |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
6532.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
6532.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第45會議第46會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
6553.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
6576.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第47案 國防部橫送財政法人國防安全研究院一百十四年度預算書案一事促進理事委員會交報交集國防委員會審查 宣布完畢第48案 僑務委員會橫送財政法人海華文教基金會集資金法人海灣信用保證基金一百十四年度預算書案一事促進理事委員會交報交集國防委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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6577.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
6578.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
第49議案．第50議案．第51議案．第52議案．第53議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
6602.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
6619.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
第51案 經期募函送財團法人中國生產力中心等20張財團法人114年度預算書案 依是處意見 擬請會將經期委員會審查 宣布完畢第52案 本院人事書函送立法院第11屆第二會期各委員會召集委員選取時間地點標 時間113年9月25日星期三 上午9時至12時 地點如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
6627.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
6627.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
6653.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
6663.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
無意通過報告院會第53案以下﹖請一併宣讀﹖宣讀之後﹖我們均准予備查﹖請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
6664.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
6686.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
第53案．第60案．本院財政委會函．違約會教部審查全球人壽承受國化人壽案．償還補助肯運用進行書面報告案等案．均已於預算執行期間第61案．第62案．本院財政委會函．違約會教部審查財團法人臺灣金融研訓院等其家財團法人109年度決算書案等案． |
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6687.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
6712.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
因予以送達後一年內完成審查之期限 原議決算法第28條是同審議通過第63案為北院財政內政外交及國防經濟教育界文化交通司法及法制生物福利及衛生環境委會函為越匯交付審查行政與環境審議98年度中央政府總運算第二月被經動之數額表的66案均已於各該年度預算執行期間 |
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6712.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
6737.395 |
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第6四案之第6頒案為﹐行政院橫送本院王委員正序﹐李委員厭秀﹐廖委員先詳﹐臺灣民眾黨黨團等﹐所提臨時聽案之嚴處行刑質詢事項講﹐行政院答覆部分﹐行政院橫送本院王委員玉銘等﹐所提質詢致書面答覆共40件﹐以本院委員質詢部分﹐本院黃委員建豪等﹐向行政院提出質詢共熱件宣讀完畢 |
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報言會現在我們進行討論事項我們進行討論事項第一案現由臺灣民眾黨黨團建請行政院決議行政院應立即發布施行國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條之一案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院臺灣民眾黨黨團有鑒於本院於113年7月16日三讀通過《國家通訊傳播委員會組織法》第四條條文修正案刪除通傳會委員人嚴任條款總統願意公佈 |
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有修正條文三讀通過時﹐本願意做成附帶決議略異﹐為維護機關獨立性與公信力﹐原要求113年7月任期屆滿之原任委員﹐應比照陳耀祥主任委員公開對外宣誓﹐除不再接受行政院提名續任委﹐若行政院於原任委員任期屆滿前﹐未能依規定提任時﹐亦不再接受延任﹐主動辭職以示負責﹐ |
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然而行政院卻無視立法院三讀通過之修正條文：然表示行政院將與立法院通過NCC 行政委員人事審查案再授權指定新法施行日期 拘捕公告新法施行與此同時 行政院長竹蓉泰更直接指派翁伯宗委員嚴任並代理主任委員意圖使根本不具備通傳會委員資格之翁伯宗 |
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成為萬年代理主委行政院此舉以嚴重破壞法制原則違背立法院之立法意旨引發社會華人為確保立法院之修法早日生效防止行政院繼續濫權創造通傳會萬年代理主委原提案建請本院作成如下決議行政院應立即公佈施行本院於113年7月16日三讀通過之國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正案宣讀完畢 |
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報言會依照立法院執權行事法第8條第3項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論後我們即議決交付審查或禁付二讀或不予審議現在請提案的黨團臺灣民眾黨黨團代表林國成委員請說明時間5分鐘 |
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韓院長 卓院長各位我們院會所有的同仁我想我們大家台灣民眾黨會提這個案主要沿由要特別代表台灣民眾黨跟各位來說明跟報告我們大家都知道NCC組織法在上會期我們都三讀通過 |
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但是三讀通過的案子那總統的公佈實施那就很奇怪了為什麼新華不用 |
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那用代理制度這代表什麼就代表行政院不重視立法院通過的任何的法律案所以我們今天會提出這個修正案主要你們找到沒有必要的技術性的這些 |
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所以我們就會特別在這個部分提出本黨團的修正的意見那另外一個你代理期間代理主委你應該作為而你通通沒有作為那這個原因是什麼原因當然就是什麼濫錢不作為 |
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所以我們會提這個修正法案是要把新華更完整的去呈現不要再用代理制度那在代理期間你最起碼你應作為要作為另外一個就是媒體監督之責任是你NCC欸那為什麼你都不作為大家平靜進去去看最近的媒體 |
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不管是綠的不管是藍的藍的都做到公平平衡報導的基本媒體人但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
7029.694 |
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尤其特定一家根本是不能看的這些NCC的責任作為所以我們本黨團希望要把所有的通過的法例盡快實施然後不足的部分我們把它提出來修改那我們不希望NCC現在有代理主委然後把媒體不公正 |
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臺灣民眾黨請求各位同仁幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
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臨國城委員發言 |
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沒有異議本案進覆二讀報告委員會依照立法院職權新司法第74條之一規定交由黨團協商做以下決議本案交付黨團協商並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商報告委員會現在我們進入討論事項第二案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團為臺灣國際的處境 |
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7129.168 |
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應獲得更多國際參與權利及有關聯合國第2758號決議建請院會作成決議議案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院 進行本院做成如下決議兩岸之間的歷史和政治糾葛由來已久中華民國在臺灣歷經民主化之洗禮實現了主權在民之原則臺灣的民主自由更獲得國際社會的肯認也因此臺灣的國境處境近年來獲得了諸多國際關注基於聯合國憲章所接觸之原則 |
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7189.535 |
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臺灣本應獲得更多國際參與之空間﹐臺灣人民亦應享有與他或國民相同之國際參與權利今年7月﹐對中政策跨國議會聯盟在臺北張開的大會通過決議1971年的聯合國第2758號決議處理的是中華人民共和國的外交體會並沒有裁定中華人民共和國擁有對臺灣的主權 |
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也沒有對臺灣未來參與聯合國或其他國際組織作出任何認定隨後澳大利亞及荷蘭國會相繼以IBNC決議為範本通過聯大2758號決議並不涉臺之動議 |
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這是我國國會外交上的重大突破我們樂見並感謝世界各國對臺灣的支持我們也認知我國政府自身的努力才是真正的關鍵因此在此基礎上立法院要求行政部門一積極爭取有益的參與各種國際組織打開中華民國臺灣之國際參與空間二在本會期邀請行政院院長針對臺灣參與聯合國UN |
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7237.29 |
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宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
7254.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
7274.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
法院會依照立法院職權行事法第8條第3項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論後即一決交付審查或禁付二讀或不予審議我們請提案的黨團臺灣民眾黨黨團代表陳昭之委員發言說明提案子去發言時間5分鐘 |
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7314.593 |
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今日美國澳大利亞荷蘭他們在公開做聲明甚至在國會做出決議他們對於台灣的國際地位給予非常溫暖的支持他們指出1971年聯合國2758號決議文裡面中國對此決議文所做的扭曲是不正確的台灣民眾黨在9月18號我們就召開記者會 |
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7331.28 |
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除了重申感謝各國對台灣溫暖的支持我們承諾要在正式會議開議之日提出相關提案今天我們確實履行了這個承諾 |
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那在這個提案書當中我們除了重申對於聯合國2758號決議文並未談及中國對台灣的主權也沒有排除台灣要加入各種國際組織更沒有剝奪2300萬人民能夠參加國際事務的空間所以 |
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身為這個IPEC身為IPEC的共同主席我們做出了這樣提案我們對行政院部門有相當以下的要求第一我們要求行政機關要非常努力的爭取台灣進入國際組織的空間要打開這個國際居門第二個我們邀請行政院院長到立法院來報告目前的進度為何我們參加的國際組織包括 |
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請問進度為何我們要求行政院院長到立法院來做報告 |
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身為IPEC的成員我們非常感謝國際給予台灣的溫暖但是我們要提醒我們要提醒愛台灣不能只喊口號不能情氣勒索不要在協商的時候張悲情搞突襲我很榮幸身為IPEC的聯合主席 |
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那天如果不是民眾黨陳昌智走進了會場臺灣今天不能加入IPEC成員國民進黨黨員多少人發出不實的指控你們欠我們民眾黨一個道歉今天臺灣可以成為IPEC成員國民眾黨居功最為 |
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謝謝陳昭之委員的發言 |
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本案大體討論沒有委員登記發言我們就不再發言現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提議進赴二讀請問會有無異議 |
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7503.289 |
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沒有依本案進覆二讀依據立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定交由黨團協商我們現在作以下決議本案交付黨團協商並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商報言會現在我們進入討論事項第三案 |
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本月臺灣民眾黨團建請院會決議9月23日加開院會邀請行政院院長就賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策進行專案報告並備質詢一案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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7548.692 |
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委員臺灣民眾黨黨團由鑑於國際燃料成本下跌臺電今年1至7月的平均每度售電成本將至每度3.7117元較去年相比成本下降0.45元以上然臺電產物目前仍處在多賣多虧狀態今年1至7月的稅前虧損為529億元總累計虧損已達4348億元為補貼龐大財務黑洞 |
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7557.996 |
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7576.554 |
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臺電打算追降一千億元預算若再加上經濟部與民一百十四年度公務預算編列一千億元給臺電將有兩千億臺電電費補貼案待本院審查臺電董事長曾文森表示這是要補貼民生電價沒有漲足的部分 |
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若無法追加預算﹐不排除10月份再轉電價﹐台電經營未能符合國營事業管理法規定﹐力求有盈無愧之原則﹐全面調上電價﹐將更嚴重衝擊民生物價﹐耐勁的政府上任迄今﹐更無法恢復本院委員國家能源政策與配比﹐嫌棄民進黨政府的能源配比﹐只有口號毫無規劃﹐願提案進行本院作成留下決議 |
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7617.301 |
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一百十三年九月十三日﹐星期一﹐江開院會﹐邀請行政院院長﹐率同相關部會首長﹐求賴清德政府﹐能源配比及電價政策﹐進行專報並備質詢﹐質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派7人﹐民進黨黨團推派7人﹐臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1人進行﹐ |
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7635.489 |
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委員：尋答時間15分鐘 質詢順序一例授權議事處辦理 名單僅於9月20日星期五下午5時前 送交議事處會診 於時適同放棄宣讀完畢 |
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7649.719 |
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報議會依照立法院職權新司法第8條第3項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後我們即一決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議請提案黨團臺灣民進黨黨團代表張祺凱委員說明提案子去時間5分鐘 |
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7693.106 |
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請政府跟人民站在一起請政府不要欺負原住民不要欺負農民也不要急著在10月1號要漲電價剛剛原住民的立委抗議了農民代表的立委也抗議了 |
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7715.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
台灣民眾黨提案要求公糧收購一公斤提高五塊錢我們看了中央政府總預算明年度中央政府總預算一毛錢都沒有編所以我們要求要照顧好原住民照顧好農民要不然的話中央政府總預算退回從邊另外 |
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行政院跟台電現在提到要撥補一千億要在10月1號可能要漲電價大家知道嗎在過去的三年政府已經拿我們人民的納稅錢撥補了三次一次一千五百億一次五百一次一千加起來三年拿我們人民的納稅錢撥補給台電三千億 |
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7770.037 |
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另外在過去的3年我們漲了連山漲漲了3次的電價漲幅超過30%一般的人民電費負擔非常的重政府是不是應該苦民所苦可是我們現在聽到行政院跟台電講你再不撥補1000億到2000億 |
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7790.641 |
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我10月1號馬上就要漲電價而且這次漲的弧度是12到13%人民不夠苦嗎電價不夠高嗎政府能不能苦民所苦不要再拿我們人民的納稅權去撥補第二個不要急著10月1號漲電價 |
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更重要的是什麼台電本來是個金雞母為什麼現在變成敗家子每一年一直在撥補撥補撥補漲價漲價再漲價結果變成個無底洞台電的財務有變好嗎這個無底洞一直填不滿今年再給一千億再給兩千億再繼續漲價明年一樣再繼續漲價再繼續撥補這樣有解決問題嗎這樣對得起人民嗎 |
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政府有沒有跟人民講你廢掉河一河二現在要廢河三一年人民都負擔了幾百億台電自己的資料顯示了河山廠光是一個河山廠去年幫台電賺了300億 |
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政府是不是有責任跟我們講清楚另外 |
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全民一定很想知道 前幾 上個月 行政院跟台電剛剛公佈了他們的 整個能源的結果一共2026年的 2026年的11月我們再生能源的配比要達到20%大家知道嗎 蔡英文總統8年 再生能源增加幾%嗎 |
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8年只增加了5%結果民進黨政府現在跟我們講他的再生能源在兩年後可以從10%跳到20%這是天方夜譚嗎他更嚴重的是什麼你的目標定這麼高弄到下面的人要執行弄出一堆太陽能的弊案來有弊案又發生命案 |
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政府該給人民一個交代嗎所以台灣民眾黨非常負責任的提案請下禮拜一加開院會行政院長跟台電經濟部長專案來報告跟我們講清楚可以不要只是從人民的身上一直剝皮不要只有拿人民納稅錢一直撥補一千億一千億一直放下去而且無底洞永遠填不滿不要在10月1號馬上再漲電價人民夠苦了 |
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另外你的能源配備是不是出了問題為什麼把最便宜的核電把它除以掉除以掉以後那麼多幾百億的錢行政院民進黨政府有跟著你講這個錢要從哪邊來嗎所以下禮拜一期待行政院提出來不要撥補不要漲電價專案來講清楚謝謝感謝 |
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謝謝張祺凱委員的發言報告委員會本案沒有委員登記我們就不再發言報告委員會現有臺灣民眾黨黨團體進赴二讀請問會有無異議 |
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沒有議﹚依據立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在作以下決議本案交由黨團協商並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商 |
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報言會現在我們進入討論事項第4案本院民進黨黨團針對北京當局持續扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議建請院會作成決議議案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本月民進黨黨團針對北京當局持續扭曲聯合國大會第二七五八號決議﹐打壓我國國際空間阻撓臺灣人民國際參與﹐破壞區域和平穩定﹐僅以規則為基礎的國際秩序﹐願建請院會作成決議如下聯合國大會第二七五八號決議﹐僅抵擊中國在聯合國的代表權﹐權為提及臺灣與我國無赦 |
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也未認定臺灣是中華人民共和國的一部分更未授權中華人民共和國在聯合國代表臺灣一不等同中國主張的一中原則這是無可辯駁的事實中華民國臺灣是主權獨立國家與中華人民共和國互不隸屬只有臺灣的民選政府才能在聯合國等國際組織代表臺灣人民 |
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對於美國政府澳大利亞及荷蘭國會及跨國國會議員聯盟等國際力量分別透過公開說明或決議博士中國扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議立法院代表臺灣人民表達誠摯歡迎與感謝並重申我們的立場一堅決反對中國扭曲聯合國大會第2758號決議阻擾臺灣參與聯合國體系等國際組織以及剝奪臺灣2300萬人參與國際社會之權益 |
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二﹐中國應立即停止將聯合大會﹐第2758號決議﹐與其所謂之一中原則掛鉤﹐破壞臺海和平穩定現狀﹐印太地區之安全繁榮﹐及以規則為基礎之國際秩序三﹐呼籲聯合國需積極落實聯合國現狀接觸之普遍性原則﹐以及不遺漏任何人之承諾﹐儘速接納臺灣之完整參與宣讀完畢 |
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法院會依照立法院之權新司法第8條第三項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論後我們即議決交付審查或禁付二讀或不予審議請提案民進黨黨團代表吳思瑤委員說明提案子去時間5分鐘 |
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主席 各位同仁1971年聯合國第2758號決議文遭到錯誤的解讀在中國長期的打壓之下臺灣與國際社會形同斷鏈半世紀後的2024 |
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臺灣經過數十年來的努力,國人齊心打拼,臺灣展現強大的經貿實力,我們更成為世界華人世界的民主典範。 |
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台灣已經不再是亞西亞的孤兒台灣已經成為世界的關鍵字2024的此時此刻台灣迎來重新鏈結世界的新契機機會來了就要把握 |
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民主同盟國家相繼為台灣發聲,挺台抗中也已經成為世界的新顯學為2758號決議文來平反,撥亂反正,正確解讀是這波國際行動的焦點 |
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從2023年去年的7月美國的眾議院通過臺灣國際團結法案主張聯合國2758號決議不涉及臺灣而後今年的7月30號IPEC論壇對中政策跨國議會聯盟在臺灣召開有史以來規模最大的一次會議而臺灣也成功入會 |
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聯大2758號決議不涉台的共同訴求在IPEC論壇之後開啟了國際挺台抗中的集體行動很感謝很感動澳洲荷蘭都相繼在國會跨黨派的發出決議的聲明而最新消息的今天義大利的眾院外委會也加入了這個挺台的行列 |
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昨天美國國務院副國務卿Campbell具體向國際社會說明中國利用聯大2758決議損及臺灣地位這是美國官方有史以來第一次正式對此發言 |
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所以我要說當外國朋友為臺灣發聲的時候臺灣當然不能置身事外機會來了當然要把握所以民主進步黨負責任的提出我們希望能夠透過立院的朝野黨團共同聲明來向世界訴求 |
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我們除了表達對民主同盟國家﹐對臺灣的支持之外﹐我們也要堅定地重申我們的幾大立場﹐如同剛剛議事人員所宣讀的共同宣言的內容﹐字字句句都是我們愛臺灣挺臺灣的具體行動﹐大家可以參閱 |
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這週三民進黨團利用朝野協商的時間來提出這份共同聲明非常遺憾當天被沒收了說話的權利事實上從過去到現在立法院已經有15次的經驗 |
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朝野各黨透過協商共同討論來提出立法院正式跨黨派的決議文就包括我們共同在去年提出了嚴正抗議中國軍演的決議文 |
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我們也曾經在2022年共同提出反對俄羅斯片面發動對烏克蘭的軍事侵略我們也在2020年我們共同針對香港版的國安法台灣的朝野同心透過聯合聲明來訴求來對國際發聲台灣很有經驗而這樣的經驗 |
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都是透過朝野協商提出各黨願意正視這個議案字字句句方向內涵都可以探討所以我沒有辦法理解到今天還有在野黨團在臺上說協商當天是民進黨團突襲 |
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過去15次立院共同聯合聲明都是同樣的程序何來突襲之有但是民進黨團非常的雀躍也歡迎我們看到各黨陸續的提出2758號卷議文撥亂反正的相關聲明我們願意朝野一起來磋商 |
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謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言報告委員會等到沒有委員登記發言我們就不再發言現有民進黨黨團體進覆二讀請問委員會有意 |
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沒有異本案近乎二讀報告委員會依據立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們先做以下決議本案交由黨團協商並由民進黨黨團負責召集協商報告委員會現在我們進入討論事項第5案本院國民黨團有關中華民國是主權獨立國家 |
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也是聯合國創始會員國 針對聯合國大會第2758號決議 建請院會作成決議議案 請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院中國國民黨黨團建請本院作成如下決議中華民國是主權獨立國家亦是聯合國創始會員國聯合國大會第2758號決議以下簡稱2758號決議不公正地排除中華民國的代表權及國際參與 |
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長期以來造成國際上我國人民權益缺乏保障國際參與邊緣化以及自尊受損的孤兒困境中華民國政府自始及表達分對2758號決議此立場至今仍然一致對於友邦行政部門國會及多方國際友人分別透過公開說明或決議博士對2758號決議的詮釋和扭曲立法院代表我國人民表達誠摯歡迎與感謝重申立場如下 |
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一中華民國及其人民有權參與聯合國體系等國際組織阻撓中華民國及其人民參與聯合國體系等國際組織對我國和人民是不公平不正義的亦是世界的損失二呼籲大陸當局應正視中華民國存在之客觀事實中華民國憲法維護了法理主權不分裂雙方應依照兩岸人民關係條例推動兩岸交流維護台海穩定與世界和平 |
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3.呼籲聯合國大會積極落實聯合國現狀接觸之普遍性原則競速接納中華民國重粉並完整參與立法院在此一併敦促外交部肅清我國友邦在聯合國推動修正2758號決議以服法律與歷史事實宣讀完畢 |
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委員會依照立法院職權新司法第8條第3項規定本案經提案人說明提案子趣大體討論後其議決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議我們請提案黨團國民黨黨團代表林思明委員請發言說明提案子趣時間5分鐘 |
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韓院長 蘇院長 以及各位委員 大家好我想針對聯大2758號決議中國國民黨必須嚴正的表達我們的立場而且要重申我們的相關對這個案子我們的一個意見中華民國是一個主權獨立的國家也是聯合國的創始會員 |
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聯合國大會第2758號的決議﹐不公正地排除中華民國的代表權以及國際參與﹐ |
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長期以來已經造成說我們中華民國人民權益缺乏保障以及我們國際參與的邊緣化以及造成我們自尊受損的孤兒陷入這樣的一個困境中中華民國政府自始表達反對聯大2758的決議到現在我們的立場仍然是一致的 |
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我們對於這次﹐不管是友邦的行政部門﹐或者國會﹐或者諸多的國際友人﹐分別透過公開的說明﹐或者透過會議的決議﹐博士對2758號決議的詮釋很扭曲 |
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我想我們立法院代表我國人民要表達誠摯的歡迎與感謝並且我們要再次的重申立場如下國際友人的支持難能可貴但是我們要呼籲政府要正式說這樣子的一個呼籲對我國會帶來的外交會帶來多大實質的一個幫助我想 |
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我們的政府部門有更多的作為要來促進我國能夠積極的參與更多的國際組織所以我們重申立場如下中華民國及人民有權參與聯合國體系等國際組織阻撓中華民國及其人民參與聯合國體系等國際組織對我國人民是不公平不正義的也是世界的損失 |
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第二我們要呼籲大陸當局應該正視中華民國存在的客觀事實中華民國憲法維護了法理主權 |
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雙方應依照兩岸人民關係條例來推動兩岸的交流維護臺海的穩定以及世界的和平第三點我們要呼籲聯合國大會積極落實聯合國憲章接觸之普遍性原則儘速接納中華民國重返並完整參與聯合國 |
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立法院我想也應該在此一併敦促外交部訴請我國的友邦在聯合國推動修正2758號決議以服法理與歷史的事實謝謝林思明委員的發言報告現在本案並沒有委員登記我們就不再發言報告現由國民黨團體晉赴二讀請問會有無異議 |
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無異本案近乎二讀報言會依照立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們作以下決議本案交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商 |
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現在我們進入討論事項第6案本院國民黨團建請院會作成決議請賴清德總統及行政院正式外交困境檢討做法並究責主政官員以有效維護正式外交關係及有意義的參與國際社會議案請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院中國國民黨立法院黨團建行院會作成決議如下建於馬英九總統時代成功重返世界衛生大會國際民航組織之往歷復建於我國邦交數九年來自二十二嚴重拒檢至十二比例高達百分之四十五請賴清德總統及行政院正式外交混淨檢討做法並就責主政官員以有效維護正式外交關係及我國有意義的參與國際社會宣讀完畢 |
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委員會依照立法院職權行事法第8條第3項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論後我們即一決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議我們請提案的國民黨團代表羅志強委員說明提案子去時間5分鐘 |
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馬英九勇敢突破聯合國2758決議的限制賴清德你做得到嗎剛聽到吳思耀委員說阿民進黨上台之後阿台灣變成關鍵字不再是亞系亞的孤兒我以為小小兩個問題想要請教民進黨你的自信哪裡啦 |
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中華民國的邦交國在民進黨執政之下從22國調到12國接近腰斬啊關鍵字啊亞西亞不是孤兒啊馬英九執政的時候我們中華民國重返世界衛生大會重返國際民航組織 |
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你民進黨偉大一進來兩個地方都被踢出去你跟我講台灣是關鍵字不再是亞系亞孤兒我們台灣人民所有的努力重返國際社會的努力被你民進黨敗光了 |
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今天民進黨說要在立法院提案朝野共同要打破聯合國2758決議來不讓這個2758決議封殺中華民國的國際空間我贊成啊我當然贊成啊中華民國從來就反對2758決議但我欣賞民進黨的勇氣啊民進黨今天的提案根本自曝其短 |
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打臉的蔡英文打臉的賴清德事實上從聯合國1971年通過2758決議以來中華民國只有一個總統打破了2758決議的限制框架然後讓我們中華民國有機會參與聯合國體系下的國際組織這個人就是馬英九 |
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聯合國2758決議是在1971年聯大表決中國代表權問題所通過的決議中華民國基於當時的代表基於漢賊不兩立的原則投票前毅然退場這個決議雖然沒有直接處理台灣2300萬人民在聯合國代表權的議題 |
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但它對於我國參與聯合國及其專門機構的機會仍然造成全面封殺的直接效果這是為什麼我們反對聯合國2758的決議但即便面對如此艱難的國際環境 |
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國民黨執政的時候沒有怨天尤人啊老共打壓一直都在啊可是呢我們執政的時候在中華民國憲法架構之下成功突破聯合國2758的框架2009年以觀察員身份連續8年出席睽違38年的世界衛生大會 |
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2013年並應國際民航組織主席邀請以貴賓特邀貴賓名義出席睽違42年的年會馬英九可以用實際的行動實際的成果來去突破2758的決議 |
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國民黨可以為中華民國締造半世紀以來最耀眼的外交成績重返聯合國體系下的國際機構民進黨政府你本來應該延續這一個資產好好為我們國際空間奮鬥結果呢民進黨不但沒有辦法突破2758的框架事實上在2017年2016年分別被逐出了世界衛生大會跟國際民航組織 |
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這就是吳士堯說的關鍵字阿所以民進黨要反對2758G很好阿我建議民進黨放兩個點進去阿不要讓賴清德輸給馬英九第一個請賴清德跟行政院 |
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保證跟馬總統一樣能夠重返聯合國體系下的國際組織在你2028任滿之前保證可以重返世界衛生大會保證可以重返國際民航組織不要輸給馬英九拜託把你的聲明放進這一點羅志強都願意簽我告訴你 |
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第二 如果你做不到 也不要打嘴砲 民進黨外宣說國際關係多麼好 請你敦請所有聯合國成員國 廢除2758決議 讓中華民國重返國際社會賴清德要不要保證啊 2028年任滿前要不要保證啊 你做得到再來嘴2758決議 謝謝 |
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謝謝羅志強委員的發言報告議會現有國民黨團提議競赴二讀請問議會有無異議 |
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沒有異議我們本案進覆二讀報告委員會依照立法院職權新司法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商做以下決議本案交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商報告委員會現在我們請注意一下次序再一次拜託大家我們現在進行行政院院長施政報告並備質詢有請行政院卓院長報告 |
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首先謝謝韓院長會議開始做出的裁定裁決讓我們今天可以讓行政院內閣閣員全員一致在這裡向大院提出報告也感謝大院朝野各黨團的理解至於我所覺得有一些遺憾的部分我們會再繼續透過溝通協商希望能夠讓國家往前走的腳步不會停止 |
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韓院長江副院長各位委員先進今天我再度與行政院的團隊到大院進行施政報告跟備詢真的感到責任非常的重大行政團隊一直是把人放在第一優先但我要強調的我們是把全體的國人放在同樣的優先我們不會遺漏但是我們也會平衡 |
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我在政策裡所提到的每一項數字跟文字都最後要回到國家對人民的關懷所以今天我同樣要從人來做出發我們不要辜負國人對我們的附託要努力的向所有努力生活的國人表示致敬首先我要感謝楷米颱風期間國軍 警消人員 工程人員 |
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醫護人員以及地方政府能夠通力合作迅速整合投入整個救災的工作政府也提供了所有的救災的措施編列的預算將來要執行系統性的治水精進各種科技防災也會持續全力推動花蓮觀光的振興要讓花蓮人能夠平平安安的進出 |
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所以不論是協助救災在第一線的無名英雄或者是像照片右上角的鄭怡萍店長她在花蓮經營老宅經營一家咖啡館跟肉桂捲還有中間這兩位鍾順龍跟梁玉倫兩位夫婦 |
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他們回到花蓮的鳳林創立了花生的品牌像他們這樣每天辛苦的工作做地方的創生身為一個小店的陶家努力的生活這種韌性就是今天臺灣社會要面對天災挑戰的基石所以政府會積極的繼續投入執行 |
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將近300億的政宅基金對花蓮做全面的災後的復甦我們也解決旅宿業者長期以來缺工的問題甚至最近聽到旅宿業者一些貸款不易的問題我們都會盡量的幫花蓮的業者來解決要恢復花蓮的災後的秩序讓他能夠有安全的鐵公路可以回家 |
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這種提升災害防性的韌性是為國人打造一個更安心的生活環境因應國際的趨勢政府也推動了國家希望工程我們要以照顧跟發展雙軸並進期盼新的會期能夠跟大院持續的合作共同推動前一陣子我到了台電職場 |
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9517.712 |
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互助教保服務中心看到說這麼多可可愛的小朋友他們是大小蘋果般的小朋友我跟他們一起念繪本跳運力操充滿了笑聲所以我們會為更多的小孩子打造像這樣快樂優質的成長環境 |
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當然也希望更多的國內企業也能在他的工作場域廣設這樣的托育中心照顧自己員工的小孩因此政府全力推動0到22歲投資未來世代的政策我們會繼續擴大托育服務提高各種的補助讓孩子們可以快快樂樂的長大讓家長們也可以放心的生養 |
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9549.192 |
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另外我們非常重視跟青年朋友們的對話在行政院青年諮商會議當中有許位青年朋友像中間這一位臺灣青年民主協會的理事長張玉萌以及旁邊兩位林威跟林佳維兩位都是我們青資會的青年朋友們他們關心環境永續關心教育關心居住等等的問題 |
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9595.559 |
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在親自會裡面交換意見我們未來會把這樣的親自會擴大參與讓它更活潑更針對問題更討論到大家青年朋友們關心的多元問題我們的目標一致就是讓青年人有一個公平追夢的機會 |
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9617.907 |
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最近我看過一部電影是印度的電影他叫做創夢之童形容一位失明的印度企業家其中有一句話我在這裡要跟所有的青年朋友們一起分享就是青年朋友們只要你進步國家就會進步你的進步就會帶動國家的進步 |
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9647.205 |
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所以政府已經全面要落實高中職的學費免學費也減免私立大學學雜費我們每年每個會期做每年做3.5萬元的補助這對於低收中低收的我們還會加強我們也要強化校園心理的這個學生輔導法希望大院能夠儘速通過另外我們確確實實規劃了百億青年海外圓夢基金 |
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促進青年的國際交流我所希望的是國家幫青年圓夢青年也透過國家來圓青年的夢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
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因為我們知道年輕朋友們非常重視居住正義如何落實所以我們推動了親親安來減輕購物的負擔不過我們知道執行的過程中發生了一些困難也發現了一些問題我們激動的來解決我們一次又一次的檢討我們希望能夠真正落實居住正義但像這樣的用 |
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9714.29 |
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加速來推動百萬租屋家庭的支持計畫包括新建社會住宅我們希望結合民間好的廠商用更好的品質讓社會住宅的居住環境能夠提升能夠推動更讓國人適合居住的社宅現在大家很關心第一次購屋青年朋友們的貸款問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
9743.323 |
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我們會繼續維持金融市場的安定跟穩定但是我們會優先保障自住者首購者以及契約進行中的貸款人不會受到這樣的一個影響另外我要求我們的銀行行庫能夠檢討所有的放款結構要讓需要貸款的人帶得到但是不要集中過度在某些產業將我們的金融體質 |
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9744.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
：第11屆第2會議 |
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謝謝最低工資審議委員會合訂我們也合訂了新的最低工資在明年我們會達到28590元而且時薪也會提高到190元當然我們期盼國內的產業各公司不論是大小公司只要有能力盡量把員工的薪資提高這樣才能帶動台灣全面的薪資的向上要攀升 |
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為了台灣的經濟的整體韌性要發揮民主供應鏈的角色我們已經開完第一次的行政院經濟發展委員會提出了也得到了三項重大的決定我們在這個月底或者下個月初我們會繼續召開第二次經濟發展委員會會鎖定包容成長作為我們的目標也就是我們會對於中小微企業 |
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的轉型跟創新也會幫助傳統產業的升級再來我們會針對青年問題的青年世代的正義以及薪資的提升請在委員會當中做出重要的決議 |
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而且我們明年度也預備投入116億推動中小微企業的多元振興跟發展希望透過數位轉型、淨零轉型跟通路發展三大策略提供普惠專案的貸款以及各種優異的租稅的優惠讓企業能夠有單一窗口的服務這是我們用具體的行動 |
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不只在發展高科技對於中小微企業要在包容成長當中給他們最好的協助經濟的成長也希望更多的投資所以會加速流財引資我們會打造具有台灣特色的亞洲資產管理中心我們現在已經規劃行政院裡面當中跨部會的投資平台 |
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希望能夠繼續擴大推動兆元投資臺灣的方案希望能夠引進3到4兆的資金幫助臺灣需要的戰略產業也希望幫助臺灣產業的再次的升級跟復甦那麼政府對於人才的培育非常重視所以在第一次經販會裡面所提到的國家人才競爭力躍升方案 |
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我們會在2028年前培育20萬人的AI領域的相關人才並向國際攬財讓台灣的人才可以跟全世界來做鏈接總統多次強調台灣發展五大信賴產業 |
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我們會把它列為重要的產業發展不過我們也會繼續的對台灣的生技以及新興科技全面的來做整合跟推動讓台灣真正成為智慧科技島當然我們要競逐太空所以太空產業跟無人機產業我們也會在未來逐步的落實跟實現台灣有堅強的世界高科技的 |
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產業供應鏈我們的製造上非常領先未來我們要加強軟體的需求所以我們認為臺灣要急速的進入到主權AI的應用時代所以發展大型語言模型我們的態度是未來我們要加強的讓它形成有臺灣特色跟元素的大型的語言模型供各種產業共同來使用 |
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明年我們就淨零轉型十二項關鍵戰略行動計畫當中也編列了1161億而且政府首度在政府部門裡面所有的部會都設立一位永續長希望他們能夠來繼續推動永續的經營讓政府在這個淨零轉型的過程當中跟世界的腳步能夠銜接得更緊切我們也知道能源是各位委員 |
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先進以及社會國人所關心的我們在強化電網韌性的建設方面我們也投入了龐大的資金也把原來10年的安全電網的工作時程縮短到4年我們希望2028年我們就能夠以現﹐比現在更安全的電網呈現在國人面前 |
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另外政府會持續推動長照3.0打造從居家社區機構醫療以及社福的一體式服務所以我們說只要政府在健保一定在我們會對健保財務做更多的投入為的就是過去30年來保障國人的健保制度現在是我們用全部的力量來回頭保障健保制度的時代 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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會保障一般人的健康安全那只有癌症的新藥跟罕見的新藥罕見的用藥不會讓一個家庭因為這樣子家庭的經濟受到非常大的影響所以我們是兩方面分別來進行擴大癌篩也會針對子宮頸癌大腸癌乳癌肺腺癌以及胃癌等等我們做全面的體檢的篩檢 |
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讓這些癌症能夠提早發現適度的治療以達到我們降低癌症死亡率的目標我先前睡到了南投醫院 |
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看到很多辛苦的工作的同仁他們都在自己的崗位上發揮自己的工作的責任感所以行政院也合訂了護理人員政策整備中長期的計畫推動健康台灣深耕計畫培育更多的護理人員讓他們進到職場裡面但是給他們更好的權力的保障給他們更好福利的提升另外為了達到均衡台灣政府也完善的在全國各地 |
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擬定了超過140項的地方建設同時我們會打造一個智慧科技產業的生態鏈像這位就是老闆娘她賣的花生各地都非常的歡迎她就是在花蓮地區能夠落實到地方創生一個很好的例子所以我們在140項地方產業的建設當中我們也會專注到注意到各個地方的地方創生 |
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另外淹水的問題讓大家都非常的辛苦跟難過行政院也已經擬定了系統性的治水預算希望打造更有利潤性的水環境而且用最安全的方式最先進的科技來協助解決各地的防水跟交通的問題農業民的產銷方案我們也透過農業部種種的補貼政策 |
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政府已經著手規劃全新的體育及運動發展部 |
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我們邀請了優秀的現役選手教練跟業界代表跟專家也組成了諮詢小組日前我們到花蓮去參加JIM Taiwan的一個小朋友的足球比賽在當時我們就希望我們的小孩跟我們的現役國手都能夠有機會 |
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往國外發展所以未來的體育發展部會以全民運動會以國際競技跟運動產業三項為主希望這是一個全新的體育部讓我說的人人都是體育人這個理想能夠實現今年的巴黎奧運非常精彩接下來的帕運也非常感人但令我印象最深的是文化奧運 |
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我要特別謝謝林議員部長 帶我去行前 帶我去看文化奧運的表演跟預演我看到了 我們組成了24組的表演團隊 122名的工作同仁 排演了57場的演出而且在預演的當時 我看到了軟劇場的汪兆謙藝術總監 跟我談了很多他認為文化奧運可以在巴黎所創造的一些 |
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風光的歷史果然不錯 很多人看到了文化奧運的表演都對臺灣有更進一步的認識我在文化奧運當中現場我們的變裝皇后尼菲亞還有豐家姊妹也都到了現場 |
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很多外國朋友第一次看到台灣有這麼多元的不僅是在表演節目當中在表演的內容也代表了台灣的創新跟平權跟開放的精神這是我們在奧運比賽之外的場地在文化上取得的一項重大的發展我說過我每個月都會到花蓮去我也最後上一次搭了火車到花蓮 |
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我參加花蓮的豐年祭感謝馬太安跟太八郎的頭目非常親切熱烈的接待我們會跟他們一起用所有的政策來照顧更多的原住民同胞也讓他的文化傳承能夠落實下去我們希望給的任何的照顧 |
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都不是一次性的單一補貼而是全面性的政策的照顧跟發展所以我對於剛剛發生的關於總預算的問題我深感遺憾但是我認為只要我們適度的說明大院應該可以理解我們在這個工作上有我們的想法希望能夠大家的一樣的對原住民同胞同等的重視跟尊重 |
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客家活動、客家文化是過去執政以來非常大力琢磨的這一次我們也到了中藝廟看到中藝精神在客家村裡面完全的發揮也透過推動博工照顧站將長照體系融入客家元素讓所有的長輩能夠得到更貼近自己文化的照顧 |
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另外關於新住民的權益保障我們也會設置一個機構跟中心我們希望用它來配合整個新住民在臺灣快速發展的人口數量以及各種政策跟文化的融合今年我也參加了平復國家不法及頒發名譽回復證書的聯合會這個典禮上政治受難者紀秋朗前輩的夫人陳秀潔女士 |
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當場他說了一句話他希望我們要把台灣引領到更好的境界持續壯大台灣這句話在當時的現場很多人都為之動容因此政府會持續的推動轉型正義為的就是要記憶過去希望未來不要再重演侵害人權的歷史讓台灣真正成為一個正義的國家也希望大院 |
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政府致力於內政的推動,但是我們更 |
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會積極的來強化我們的國防預算增加我們的社會韌性作為國軍的後盾我們要向世界證明臺灣有捍衛國土的堅定決心但是只要侵略者一天不放下武器人類就沒有真正的和平政府必須繼續強化 |
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以及調整國軍的培訓積極紮根國防落實總統民主和平四大支柱方案來捍衛我們自己的主權跟自由民主首富2300萬的國人我們在520之後總統上任100天的時候我們提出了行動101策略方案 |
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在當中我們用新政策新建設包含了新的治水新的打榨新的能源以及新的科技以及新的體育再加上我們的照顧跟發展形成未來我們在工作上的重大的發展還記得在奧運的比賽場上李揚王麒麟跟林玉婷拿到獎牌的時候 |
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齊歌升旗全場的人在唱著國旗歌我相信在場每一位都非常的感動就是這份感動讓我們團結了這份團結就應該延續我們在唱歌的過程當中國旗歌裡面講到一句勿自暴自棄勿固步自封守成不易莫吐無進攻我們真的守成不易今天台灣能夠走到這一步 |
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是累積過去多少人的腳步跟努力我們要非常用力的維護他守住他跟保護他最後我要用一張照片就是我們跆拳道的肖翔文選手這是怕運的選手 |
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他在場上他除了更會照顧自己他也照顧對手當對手的牙套脫落他幫他整理牙套這種尊重這種照顧不就是我們國人認為台灣認為我們國家長期以來大家追求的目標嗎我們在國家發展的過程當中互相尊重互相照顧 |
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一直是我們追求的國家一直是我們追求的台灣價值在這個國家發展的關鍵的階段我曾經要求過所有的公務人員要像運動員一樣要自律要陽光要團結台灣也就是要對自己正派自律的要求接受社會陽光的檢驗 |
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所做的每一件事都是內部團結進而團結台灣以上是我從人為出發點以政策跟預算作為未來的努力方向希望跟大院能夠攜手合作我們絕對有能力打造安居樂業的幸福台灣跟文明的國家謝謝大家的支持感謝 謝謝 |
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謝謝卓院長的施政報告我們在進行總質詢之前我們現在做兩項重要宣告一 施政報告之質詢以疾問疾答方式進行每位委員尋答時間為30分鐘如以兩議題進行質詢每一個議題為15分鐘採用聯合質詢者七 依其人數合併計算尋答時間但不得超過三位 |
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二一登記次序輪到質詢之委員如不在場以放棄質詢論採用聯合質詢時其中質詢的委員如不在場也是以放棄質詢論詢答時間不予併入抱怨會我們上午會議到此為止下午兩點三十分繼續開會進行施政報告之質詢非常感謝現在休息 |
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發言委員現在繼續開會進行施政報告之質詢在進行質詢之前請祕書長報告部會首長請假請醒謝謝 |
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報告院會在質詢之前現在在議場二樓旁聽的是國立濟南大學等大專院校的學生會的同學我們在此表達歡迎之意謝謝現在請副委員昆齊質詢 |
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18214.047 |
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主席請院長請卓院長備詢副委員好您這陣子公私兩忙辛苦了自古有云國有明君清賦稅 |
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博謠毅明包物語 修養生息人民愛物 天地同感今天賴總統當選就任應該是國政清明德責四方主委院長 帶領國政應該是繁榮昌盛 |
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國泰民安院長就任已經4個月了從520到現在剛好4個月請問你有名包語感同身受有沒有看見人民的眼淚我們看一下從花蓮到地震到現在4月3號到現在 |
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人民的眼淚到今天已經五個多月五個月又十六天到今天為止花蓮的災民到現在還沒有辦法解決我們的國家在哪裡人民的苦難有沒有看見 |
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我們看一下這次的大地震我在 可能卓院長已經很遠離太久了再讓你複習一下如同921的大地震如此的嚴重有這麼多的災民在這裡哀嚎這麼多的民宅毀損我們就比較一下 |
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在2018年的0206花蓮大地震當時的受災戶是195戶現在的受災戶是10倍這個我想院長已經耳熟能詳了紅單黃單戶總共1949戶災民5000多人無家可歸5個多月過去了 |
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現在依然安身立命還是無漂流的扶貧不知道國家給他們的重振重建到底什麼時候才能夠完成院長我相信你到花蓮來看災的時候是帶著誠意但是除了誠意以外是不是還應該有效率院長是 |
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要有效率到今天為止花蓮的震災救災到目前為止這個效率你滿意嗎花蓮的狀況副委員比任何人都清楚我記得我們每次到花蓮跟副委員一起不管是公開還是底下的談話我們都深深為那個地方的狀況我們都非常的憂慮這是真的也謝謝副委員一再一再的關心 |
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但是光是從交通的安全問題每次大雨一來我們的交通部就費盡很多的心思我認為我們要長遠來處理這個事情這是一件另外我也知道現在花蓮包括呂樹葉 |
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有很多很多的陳情包括他們的貸款有問題包括他們的勞工人力有問題包括整個產業的振興但是我也看到有五星級的飯店也最近要開了我是非常敬佩這大飯店能夠在這個時候開我希望他能帶動起一股大家對花蓮在從事觀光活動的一股希望那我也會持續的跟副委員一起我們載到花蓮去 |
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請問院長要不要遵守國會三黨共同簽署對人民的承諾院會三讀通過要不要執行 |
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立法院監督行政院對立法院的各項決議我們當然是本的憲法的職責充分的尊重那執行的過程我們會考量更多的因素但是無論如何都會向立法院就執行面來做報告好本席再跟您探討一下台南大地震跟花蓮大地震看一下2016年台南大地震 |
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國幹大樓重建每戶最高400萬元花蓮大地震8年以後每戶重建紅丹戶屋島一戶最多補助30坪一坪12萬360萬面對嚴重的天災一樣是地震在台南跟花蓮卻有大不同而且現在我們再看一下 |
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在當時這個臺南是8年前花蓮是8年後這8年發生了什麼事情花蓮的青年住宅一平8點47萬去絕標8點47萬去絕標 |
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而內政部在花蓮這兩年絕標的中美好市社會住宅一坪16.96萬絕標然後美倫安居18.34萬絕標一樣的房子花蓮的青年住宅現成五發包的是有國家認證耐政標章還得到行政院的磐石獎 |
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已經蓋好了發包一瓶是8.47萬現在內政部發包的這兩年發包的是16.96萬跟18.34萬物價漲了一倍多2016年台南一戶是補助400萬現在今年花林一戶是補助360萬所以立法院所通過的決議是希望 |
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7月16號的主決議是希望趕快把災民的重建能夠迅速來完成因為我們的紅單戶修建的部分整建的部分補助8成5但是紅單戶屋倒了要拆了 |
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到現在還沒有一個能夠讓他們安身立命清楚的一個方式所以由立法院三黨共同簽署補助八成五現在興建成本的八成五而且就很簡單內政部自己的絕標價格在花蓮的中美好市社會住宅北龍安居社會住宅現在是18萬18萬4千塊一坪補助八成五盡快讓人民 |
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安身立命的事能夠解決本席再強調一下從4月3號到現在已經5個多月了院長據聞本席追內政部之後內政部在9月11號發文到行政院希望行政院趕快就相關的辦法來核定院長什麼時候可以核定 |
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剛剛跟委員報告我們在9月16號已經經由這個國發會現在在審議當中我們會緊述的緊述是什麼時候緊述我看國發會安排的時辰不會讓委員失望是面對災民欸是面對災民欸不會讓花蓮的鄉親失望 |
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院長本期讓你看一下2018年的地震我們看一下 |
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2018.2月6號大地震花蓮我們4月26號花蓮縣政府重建的安心宅就動工了經過所有在民的協調所有社會慈善資源的募集中央政府的支持加在民的溝通加上全國的招商在公開說明會 |
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在規劃設計發包然後動工2個月20天2018年2月6號的地震2018年4月26號縣政府就動工了1年多2年完工抗八旗地震又耐震飆漲又是綠建築本席在這裡請教現在已經5個多月了 |
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還要經過立法院三黨共事達成主決議院會通過現在還在等行政院有沒有感同身受民包當然有本席今天聽到你說了謝謝院長說你會盡快本席在等看您什麼時候把立法院的主決議能夠來落實讓這些災民 |
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他們不是有政府的承諾補助以後還要開說明會還要開重建會議還要去招商還要去發包還要等到動工動工以後還要等到完工而且這一次院長這不是以前的12樓這次都是15樓16樓密集的集合式高層住宅這個重建之路啊非常的漫長 |
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所以院長本席相信再一次講您擔任閣奎應該是繁榮昌盛國泰民安民眾的苦難民眾的眼淚人民的眼淚政府的大官到底有沒有看見有沒有感同身受本席就恭候看院會什麼時候核定 |
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到底我們還要等多久再過來這次地震的災民不只是只有受災戶還有這麼多的我們產業包括觀光包括農業花東的人民還在走這種道路本席跟你介紹一下現在的蘇華公路在清朝啊 |
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叫做舒花古道在日據時代叫做臨海道路現在全國大概只有花東人民還比照孟加拉人民我們是一個已開發國家一個國家還有兩種人民我們還在走百年前的舒花古道下個雨就灘掉 |
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不是路灘啦 鐵路也停啦請問一下院長今年到現在 你知道花蓮成為孤島幾次了 院長報告委員 這是我們共同關切的問題我們現在成為孤島幾次了每次大雨來 它就會交通中斷甚至我們在台北感受不到的時候 它也會交通中斷 院長你不曉得 本席提醒你一下齁 |
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地震後到今天有八次的鐵公路的中斷八年成為孤島八次這是臺灣這塊土地上的人民啊連大陸三級城市都不如啊八次鐵公路中斷八年成為孤島請問一下我們說好的這些告警系統 |
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從馬政府時代就通過的預算這8年來執行到現在我們的告警系統一直在出包我們的告警系統我們的藍絲網到底在哪裡怎麼樣能夠把這些石頭攔住怎麼樣能夠紓解請問一下院長最基本的藍絲網什麼時候可以做好 |
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好 跟委員報告我們跟大自然的競爭就是這個樣子要跟他和平相處所以每次交通中斷我們就啟動海運啟動空運我們也拜託民航的業者再加強告警的系統自從上市我們發現鐵路的告警系統不足之外我們也已經要求鐵路局要全面的加強院長什麼叫藍絲系統你看一下這是最簡單的 |
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到底這條路什麼時候可以讓人民安全回家 |
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委員我跟你說我跟你報告我在當地我們在開現場說明的時候這個路就是這樣子他石頭還在下來我非常清楚包括居民鄉民包括工程人員的安全的問題我跟你一樣感同身受那至於工程怎麼樣進行怎麼樣完成是不是容許我們新的交通部長陳部長跟你說明一下他的了解待會又輪到他不要急待會輪到他不要急現在是這樣子 院長這是一個最基本的 |
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一個藍石網對公路也好對鐵路我現在本席都沒有講到說明隧道還是傾斜鋼板現在一個最基本的藍石網 |
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至少你整條路什麼地方會攤下來的地方如果公路總局不知道交通部不知道那個就是完全跟人民是脫節的交通部如果知道的話請告訴人民這些地方你要怎麼做那個地方的災情好 謝謝 |
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告警系統做了這麼多年到現在我們看一下那鐵路又出軌告警系統竟然還會讓鐵路出軌本需要再讓你瞭解一下院長為什麼要我們這麼沉重來討論這個問題人民要怎麼活下去啊我們的觀光做成什麼樣子啊 |
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花蓮就兩大產業第一個叫觀光產業第一個叫做農業觀光產業現在我們住房率暑假5%因為路又斷了報告委員交通部其實很努力在做補助啦最慘的暑假最慘的暑假5%院長您可能還沒有記錄狀況本席再說明一次 |
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這個5%代表什麼意思暑假應該是百分之百住房的現在5%是什麼意思花蓮的觀光產業現在代售的民宿要sale的民宿將近一千家請問員工的薪水要不要付請問營養的貸款要不要付 |
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這是系統性的風暴都要發生我剛剛在施政報告都有提到這兩部分但是我們沒有看到到底具體的作為而且有效的作為今天政府不是說我有做是你做的有沒有效國家龐大的資源都在你手上做的有沒有效能不能夠把災民救出來這才是重點啦不能說我有做啊 |
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但是做不到阿沒有做到更快更多更好我當然願意全力的來檢討那我們是全力在做但是有很多自然的狀況阿很阻礙我們各種進展你剛剛說自然的狀況那我們現在講我們現有的狀況這不是大自然因素造成的我們看一下現在齁臺北花蓮的班機我們看一下班機我請問一下院長 |
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班機你們到底是把花蓮看作什麼樣的一個地方一個觀光的城市過去到2016年臺北花蓮2600班次一年現在200多班花蓮機場是全國最漂亮的機場我們交通部是睡著了嗎 |
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報告委員陳部長已經解決2600多班有沒有解決你找時間再來跟我說我今天是溫院長我是把現在的數字讓你知道2600班到2016年民進黨執政8年後剩200班一個這麼漂亮的城市變成200班再過來你們到底有沒有國家的資源去騰騎這個地方 |
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為什麼航空公司都在賺錢EPS3塊4塊5塊一年為什麼黃金航線沒有去綁國內應該有的責任線因為這個航線是要養的你把它養起來未來它長大了就不用你再養陳部長有這個計畫已經在什麼時候實施了我們將會有定期航班禮拜一到禮拜天都會有委員也很高興你這麼說但是我們再看 |
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我們再看一下海運齁臺灣四周環海竟然沒有一個比較明確的一個藍色公路可以繞得這麼漂亮的臺灣島讓全世界的觀光客可以來臺灣看一下臺灣島有多美你看一下一個利納倫201到2016年都還有201班 |
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政府沒有關心沒有救助沒有支持一個這麼美麗的台灣就在太平洋冰既然一個沿海的漏島的藍色公路都沒有這個就是我們的政府大有為的政府 |
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本席現在有明確在國會殿堂正式正式跟院長討論這個事情也正式告知以後不要說你不知道現在已經講過了交通部已經在計畫這個事情了再跟委員說接下來怎麼做接下來怎麼做就多多拜託我們看一下我們的千萬的觀光大國台灣人民這麼善良 |
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明明我們可以好好的做一個觀光的台灣的一個觀光的城市現在 院長我們今天要資料 等於是啊國民黨團總召集人 連要資料都不敢給啊觀光署現在不敢給啊現在啊 外客來台啊總觀光支出是多少 一到七月他們要不到資料不給 |
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19525.085 |
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19535.869 |
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報告委員目前已經超過五百萬目前超過五百萬 很好 了不起我們看一下這兩年亞洲我們周邊國家是怎麼樣 看一下2023年台灣648萬 香港3400萬 泰國2800萬 日本2500萬 |
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19548.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
19574.413 |
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馬來西亞2014萬新加坡這麼蛋丸之力的新加坡1360萬越南1260萬韓國1100萬台灣648萬我們的行政部門都生病了台灣有哪裡不好台灣比不上越南比不上泰國比不上新加坡比不上馬來西亞比不上韓國 |
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19577.182 |
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19605.162 |
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這是我們的臺灣這不用解釋因為這數字說明切這還是觀光署自己給的數字我們就舉一個很簡單的很高檔的全世界都有的climate在全世界有70個點臺灣竟然沒有一個climate都沒有一個點都沒有世界高檔的消費群來的一個基本像樣的國際級的一個度假村臺灣都沒有 |
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19606.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
19635.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們再看一下連日本的一個石碗島一個島只有4萬多人都有Climate4萬人的石碗島都有台灣2千這麼多人所以我們的觀光這8年到底做了什麼所以我想院長我們還有很多可以切磋的機會所以本席今天真的是非常誠意的一一來跟院長就教也讓所有院長能夠 |
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19637.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
19662.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們再看一下陳部長我相信您未來的表現可能有機會做得不錯但是我們還是來看一下到底新政府是用人為親還是用人為財我們從2016年開始看交通部長賀成旦先生少數也是土木工程也當過交通局的局長 |
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19664.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
19673.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
吳宏謀先生﹑環境工程博士﹑林佳龍先生﹑耶魯碩士﹑台中市市長王國才先生﹑交大運營所博士 |
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19686.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
19711.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
也當過高雄市政府的交通局長李孟彥部長至少是河南水利工程方面的專業也當過台南市政府水利局長現在陳士凱部長一路東海大學政治系政治研究所 台中市議員交通是有多麼的專業跟經驗的需要 |
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19714.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
19742.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我們國家多麼重要的一個部會你們用人了不起很大膽把過去用人的規範完全打破本期沒有干涉左院長你的用人權我們現在是尊重但是我們用睜大眼睛來看下次可能就不是這樣我們尊重你的用人權但是用人有沒有真正的專業 |
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19744.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
19772.422 |
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本席在這裡要先送你一張報告我一句話從剛剛部長的幾句答話你也知道他非常的深入啊他非常的努力在了解所有交通狀況2024年9月8號本席上了火車啊已經上了火車然後通知我說啊路又斷了所以啊要請我下車我們全車所有列車上的人通通下車了然後 |
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19773.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
19780.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
花蓮火車站像難民一樣一堆人趕著退票一堆人趕著不曉得怎麼樣離開花蓮這些觀光客來本席送給你一下 |
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19804.329 |
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19832.624 |
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本席現在跟您探討一下現在我們有3兆多的預算今年比去年超編了很多增加2800多億雖然我們還有很多機會碰面但是本席還是要提醒你一下提醒院長一下這個廣宣費用大內宣就像2758號一樣 |
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19834.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
19858.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
臺灣躲在自己門裡面在玩大內宣本席這樣子啦齁到底為什麼大內宣要多65.4%院長可能要準備齁是為什麼要多這麼多錢還要打詐所以齁打詐生態系哇這不得了這名字舉得好打詐生態系要73億齁 |
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19862.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
19884.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
2022年蔡總統、蔡政府是14億打詐國家隊2023年打詐專責辦公室13億賴政府打詐生態系要73億這是院長您宣布的本席還不了解但是呢看一下這個法務部的官網齁我們現在詐騙的情況 |
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19888.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
19913.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
108年詐騙案有34947件到去年229000件這不得了6倍真的是了不起越打越炸錢越花越多越打越炸本席希望 院長你要斟酌我們看一下台電現在台電到底會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
19917.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
19943.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我們賴政府下面會變成什麼樣的一個狀況就看今年跟去年去年的負債兩兆三千三百一十億今年負債兩兆四千九百七十九億多了一千六百億好資本額膨脹了一千億因為政府拿錢給他累積虧損四千三百四十九億到底台電怎麼樣才不會倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
19944.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
19963.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
就是能源政策我們一定會安排一個能源政策讓院長到立法院來跟全國國人來說清楚我們光看一下3兆3兆多的總預算我們看一下9千億白花打水漂2兆風力發電的大餅國產化風力發電跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
19968.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
19982.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
多的價差9千億多給人家9千億現在沒有委員9千億不是用在今年吶這是好幾年的預算吶這是政府的合約 院長政府的合約多花了9千億再過來賴總統不是那個9千億還有後面這一題吼現在不得了啊賴總統協助企業進一轉型要再9千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
19998.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
20006.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
哇 這不得了光電乾坑政策 圖利光電廠商 院長今年我們還有很多次見面的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
20028.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
20036.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
好,謝謝副委員,謝謝左院長接下來我們請黃國昌委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
20073.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
20078.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
謝謝主席,麻煩有請行政院左院長請左院長備詢黃偉豪左院長好,中午聆聽您的施政報告我必須要說有些驚訝 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
20097.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
20125.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
因為我還真的是第一次看到行政院院長把考察活動的照片大拼盤來當成施政報告我們有延伸後續的政策那當然您提到了有很多地方我知道你試圖的要回應年輕人所關心的事情但對年輕人所非常在意的公平正義特別是司法正義以及媒體正義在你的口頭報告當中完全沒有觸及 |
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20126.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
20149.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
有觸及的就居住爭議的部分想先請教您賴清德總統在去年的時候競選總統的期間大學生問他說蔡英文總統說新建設宅12萬戶真的可以達標嗎賴總統說你可以看看蔡總統任內最後一天新建跟完成發包的有沒有12萬戶請問有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
20152.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
20153.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
請問有嗎持續進行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
20160.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
20187.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
所以有到12萬戶嗎10萬多戶差1萬多但是您所說的是完成發報但是動工興建的我們持續在增加當中所以加起來是多少現在是10萬多戶對嘛所以我的問題很簡單嘛沒有達標就沒有達標嘛有各式各樣的理由都沒有關係行政院都可以去說明都可以去解釋好好的繼續努力就好了不要問過是非有就有沒有就沒有 |
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20188.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
20216.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
如此清楚的事情所有的數字全部都攤出來全民都在檢驗我們會用後續的時間把它加強起來今年1月的時候在你就任行政院院長以前你曾經說說賴清德沒有涉入立法院院長的選舉所以未曾指派本人進行任何的工作我那時候說你公然說謊沒有然後你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
20218.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
20241.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
我一再內於事實的指責然後說你的公信力跟社會的公信力到底誰的公信力比較高社會可以公平所以我再請教你一次你那時候有沒有公然說謊沒有公然說謊那我就覺得非常詫異那為什麼民主進步黨的立院黨團總召柯建民說1月14號 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
20243.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
20267.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
就成立了改選小組你是成員之一是柯建民總召說謊還是你說謊我們討論事實不見得就是要涉入去影響干涉啊難道一件事情在這麼重要的國會領袖的選舉上面黨可以沒有立場嗎我沒有說黨可以我並沒有說黨可以不可以有立場啊但是我問的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
20268.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
20281.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
你說賴清德沒有涉入立法院院長選舉啊沒有指派你進行任何工作啊那奇怪了柯建民就不是這樣講啊所以我請教你嘛是你說謊還是柯建民說謊我請教委員什麼叫涉入 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
20286.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
20315.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
沒有關係阿我把所有的事情攤出來阿你有你的說法你有你的說法內部討論叫涉入你有沒有跟黃珊珊見面討論立法院院長選舉的事你問我的時候完全沒有這個行為好我們繼續再往下看上一次阿我請教你阿黨政軍退出媒體還是民主進步黨的價值這一直都是應該國內政治工作者共同追求的民主價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
20316.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
20332.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
所以還是不是民進黨的價值一樣是是嘛那民進黨現在有做到黨政軍退出媒體嗎我們主要的幾個人在過去經營媒體的都已經退出了主持媒體的我的問題還是很簡單啦民進黨有沒有貫徹黨政軍退出媒體的價值主委院長你認為有還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
20339.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
20358.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我們一直在追求這種價值那當中有些人對跟媒體有關係在從事公職之後他都要離開或者離開公職之後他才能進入媒體工作OK好下一個問題阿要發進電視的執照這是總統的旨意阿這不是行政院長的旨意阿 |
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20361.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
20386.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
不管誰來當行政院院長這個案子都還是要通過的這個算是有貫徹黨政軍退出媒體的價值嗎總統下令這張執照就是要過的這個叫黨政軍退出媒體嗎你說的總統是誰你說的行政院長又是誰我說的總統是蔡英文總統對不起喔 這不是我說的這個是進電視的大股東啊 裴偉說的 |
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20388.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
20415.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
這是要說的阿那後來公布了錄音帶以後他也不敢否認這個錄音帶的真正性阿這樣叫做有黨政軍退出媒體嗎請教練長那委員你應該問問培偉先生他是怎麼樣的心情說這個話這個話是真是假要不要經過怎麼樣層層的考驗第一個第一個如果培偉說的是真的大家都沒辦法接受嘛對吧 |
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20416.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
20442.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
是的好那如果培瑋說的是假的哇這件事情就嚴重了我們放任一個媒體的大亨在外面假傳總統的旨意欸這個事情非常的嚴重欸結果很奇怪喔培瑋假傳蔡英文總統的旨意如果真的是假傳的話整個民進黨政府一片安靜沒有人出來譴責培瑋 |
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20450.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
20466.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
每個人面對事情的發生跟結果都有不同的處理方式那因為這不是當事人我沒有辦法替某些人回答至於有沒有都還是一個疑問現在啦我有這樣子說完了以後我看到民進黨的態度阿是一片靜悄悄 |
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20467.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
20494.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
對於這種假冒總統旨意在外面招搖撞騙的媒體大亨一樣關係阿非常的良好這個就讓大家開始去質疑啦質疑我們的民進黨政府在辦案的時候是不是有選擇性辦案還是關係好的後台好的能拖就拖阿能混就混兩年多以前有人具體的檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
20499.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
20522.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
告發的培韋進電視的弊案到現在超過兩年多了很具體的指責高層下令這個案子不准動承辦檢察官根本不可忤逆上意動都沒有動還要拖延多久還要包庇多久還是依法偵辦中照我的標準我是不涉入那個個案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
20527.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
20553.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
怎麼進行程序上如果可以的話部長這部分北檢還在偵辦中那我想我們有實際的偵辦作為嗎真的有實際的偵辦作為嗎不會啊北檢前幾天啊讓全體國人印象深刻啊9月9號告發洩密的案子9月16號就真截發新聞稿北檢絕無洩密啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
20555.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
20573.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
北檢效率很好啊怎麼遇到特定的人有關係的人敢假傳總統旨意的人涉及到這樣的弊案一直拖延拖了兩年還不夠部長你對於這樣子司法偵查的效率滿不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
20575.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
20600.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
這個檢察官這個依法偵辦這個當然是檢察官依法偵辦嘛所以我就請教你嘛在這法務部部長的高度法務部部長的立場一個案子拖延了兩年多當事人告發的人告訴的人都已經出來指責了到現在還繼續的拖延繼續的包庇這樣的效率部長滿意嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
20603.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
20629.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
所謂法務部部長你總要有態度嘛我沒有說他一定有罪沒有罪我不會去干涉檢察官偵辦案件的一個速度檢察官自然會經案情以及證據的收集就罪案件的妥適的一個處理我沒辦法去做一個指導一個所以意思是什麼意思是說半個兩年很正常半個五年這麼正常還是要跟鄭文燦的案子一樣要拖個七年才算正常 |
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20630.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
20650.656 |
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現在我沒有講案件的本身喔我完全請教的是人民所關心的司法的效率嘛司法的效率應該重要吧這個是行政上面的事項阿你怎麼作為一個部長對一個案件拖了兩年多這樣的效率你把不滿意都不敢表態好我們繼續往下看喔非常的習慣 |
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遇到了特定的綠色媒體集團我們民主進步黨是能拖就拖能混就混我為什麼這樣說這個就牽涉到有一個被違法任命為代理主委的翁柏宗當初在進電視的弊案裡面人家是指證莉莉抓洩密 |
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通風報信當綠媒的小弟把NCC裡面審議應該秘密的事項不斷的跟陪委通風報信人家把證據都拿出來了然後簡訊我們的翁柏中當初是怎麼回答的來看一下他說如果連刑事的真正性都帶審酌就沒有辦法確定沒有具體事證刑事的真正性沒有問題啊 |
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這些簡訊我全部看過阿全部都是真的阿委員我需要請翁代主委來說明嗎不好意思喔翁博聰先生沒有立場上備詢台阿他沒有立場上備詢台阿這是我的立場阿我現在的問題一樣阿這個洩密案還要拖多久有的案子北檢可以出來九天貞節 |
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委員有一句話我想我現在說出來你心裡跟我感覺是一樣的我們都應該認為無罪推定吧 |
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對 所以咧 我現在沒有說他有罪沒罪 我只問你 偵辦多久了 偵檢了嗎 不起訴處分座了嗎 我連效率性的問題都不能問喔為什麼人民痛恨權貴司法 這就是理由啦 我有說錯嗎 |
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讓大家瞠目結舌的事情選入弊案事情還沒有解決的人繼續被提名當NCC的委員來請教一下我們的卓院長翁柏聰有擔任NCC委員的資格嗎 |
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我是基於讓行政院的機關能夠運作正常請回答問題 翁柏中有沒有當NC新聞的資格我現在是依法請他代理所以他有沒有當NC新聞的資格目前有他目前有 什麼時候會沒有如果大院的人士審查同意之後他不被同意 那他就沒有 |
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來我具體的問啦你什麼時候要公告施行NCC組織法 |
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我現在的問題是你什麼時候要公告施行如果我們今天已經提案了嘛提了主決議了嘛這個主決議現在進入協商冷凍期一個月嘛過了一個月以後 |
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本院決議要求行政院立即施行針對立法院這樣的主決議院長你會抗拒還是會尊重國會的決議我會請求在這一個月當中大院趕快進行人事同意權 |
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人事同意權喔上次我在這邊質詢你的時候我問了一個最關鍵的問題阿這個人你背不背書阿這個人你背不背書阿你拖延了多久才回答這個問題阿沒關係我們來看一看你們的算盤是什麼按照你的邏輯兩個嘛第一個我們立法院通過立法院通過翁柏宗就成為正式的主委立法院否決了 |
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按照我們現在行政院的態度他就會繼續當代理主委所以不管我們的立法院接下來審查NCC的人事同意權我不管是贊成翁柏中還是反對翁柏中最後的結論竟然都一樣 |
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都是翁柏宗擔任NCC的主委報告委員你是懂預言式的質詢喔沒有啦沒有預言式的質詢答案不會只有這兩種啦那請問還有什麼選擇來請廖院長沒有啊立法院只有yes or no啊我要不然就贊成要不然就否決怎麼會有第三種選擇那之後行政院才會有行政院應該應應的方式啊對所以當立法院否決了以後當立法院否決了以後 |
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那不就翁柏宗跟現在一樣繼續當代理主委嗎如果立法院否決一個行政機關讓他正常的運作的話那我必須尋求更多的救濟否則政府的政務會推動不下去啊剛剛你說你要尋求更多的救濟那是你行政院的自己的立場啊但你說我這邊整理的不對對不起啊我沒有辦法接受啊我們不管是同意還是不同意最後出任的不是都是翁柏宗嗎 |
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對你們來講算盤就是一樣嘛立法院你否決否決你的我行政院我絕對不公告施行NCC的組織法就法繼續當嘛萬年的NCC代理主委嘛踐踏中華民國的民主法治到這種程度報告委員我只有三個原則第一個就是讓機關正常運作第二個緊速通過人事的同意權再第三個就是我會依法行政 |
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國會議員瞭解這個我想首長可以就該回答的部分要清楚的回答 |
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行政院院長對各部會首長的特別費,立法委員能不能監督? |
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對不起 我沒聽清楚 最後兩個字行政院院長的立場對於行政院各個部會首長的特別費錢花到哪裡去了立法委員能不能問能不能監督依法可以依法可以嗎但我們的ACC很大 |
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NCC都一樣都一樣拒絕說明阿拒絕提供資料阿怎麼會一樣完全不一樣阿悍然拒絕阿我希望齁NCC所有的官員今天聽到我們行政院院長表態了喔立法委員可以問喔可以監督喔我為什麼會去監督到這件事情因為我接到檢舉 |
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我接到什麼樣的檢舉啊來我先請教一下我們的院長按照我們目前行政院的關憎按照我們目前行政院的關憎啊官員送禮可以找業者買單嗎官員送禮用官員的名義送禮可以用業者買單嗎這個官員本身收受禮物都有一定的 |
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是避免還是不可以我可不可以送禮 譬如說我卓榮他要送禮 |
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我剛說過官員收受禮物有一定的標準 |
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不能收受禮物或許現在有一些什麼樣的表現我就現在就不是在講收受禮物的問題請問這個問題有這麼困難嗎你送禮你要花你自己的錢我都沒有意見你要送禮的時候你找別人來買單找別人來出錢 |
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這個在行政院的觀真理可以嗎這麼簡單這麼明確的問題這樣的行為就不被允許這樣的行為不被允許嘛好來我今天公開檢舉喔法務部部長請聽好這個是有名有姓的喔NCC的內部檢舉奇怪我們的翁伯忠過年贈送高價的海鮮這海鮮盒裡面有附收據 |
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我收據都貼出來了我收據的桶邊一去查竟然是一個廣電媒體公司欸ACC的副主委送禮廣電媒體公司買單這樣對嗎部長要不要查這個是依照公務員廉政規範的事情來做一個規範 |
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如果說沒有植物傷害關係的話他這部分的話是若有變化是以3000元底下違憲的上面收據寫得很清楚4萬億阿我發票都貼出來了阿我還統編特別去找欸我統編特別去找我想說其他公司也就算了廣電媒體公司幹這種事廣電媒體公司的主管機關是誰是不是NCC |
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是不是謝謝委員告訴我們這件事情但是今天如果委員不願意讓翁代理主委來這裡答覆的話我會請部長請部長進幾棟瞭解的沒有關係啦翁柏中他自己接下來進入廉政程序到檢調程序他要怎麼講他有什麼解釋我都尊重我都尊重我只有問一件事嘛這件事該不該查 |
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這邊我們再請那個通常會﹖我們再請那個政控單位來瞭解請政控單位瞭解嘛好來我們繼續往下看兩位民主進步黨提名民主進步黨支持出任NCC委員的兩位在新聞傳播學界受到非常多的學者跟學子敬重的兩位學者一個是林立雲委員一個是王維京委員 |
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這兩位以前都是我在推動媒體改革的時候的好戰友他們進去NCC當委員的時候我不會因為過去的情誼而放水該監督的監督該說的話我還是要說結果這兩位委員卸任了以後發表了一個鏗鏘有力沉痛的文章他說什麼 |
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臺灣正媒共生的集團透過政治與媒體影響力除了藉土地開發謀利也介入政治甚至政府領域包括人事、個案跟政策讓媒體成為政治部門的輿論宣傳工具 |
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不公正的新聞報導及節目導致臺灣新聞頻道的社會信任度長期世界排名倒數是臺灣民主的另外一個危機我讀了新友77N |
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院長贊不贊成這樣的描述首先我會感謝兩位委員在任內對通常會業務上的努力但是我會更希望他們這段話是在他們任期當中在正式的場合公開的時候在裡面基於職權講的話那麼會對整個體制的改善會更有幫忙您說的沒錯我也贊成 |
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你可以說他們勇氣不足啊當官的時候不敢講嘛卸任的時候才講嘛有很多評論都是這樣我都尊重但我對他們兩位的評價是下來的時候願意講實話就已經很不容易了我對你請教的問題是他們這樣子的描述你贊不贊成這是不是你所觀察到的台灣媒體的現象 |
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所以你不知道他在談誰阿?你這樣看你不知道阿?其實我就跟院長報告阿最少在談的就是山立阿 |
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他們講的有道理沒有道理就要具體的看嘛 |
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一個特定的媒體集團在民進黨裡面有沒有派系有沒有政治影響力有沒有介入實際的政治事務媒體上面討論了很多但我喜歡談具體的我們更具體的來看他說臺灣正媒共生集團還藉由土地開發牟利這個事情就嚴重了所以我們下一步來看豪元啊 |
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有一個埔西牧場那個埔西牧場是一個非常神奇的所在為什麼我說是一個非常神奇的所在衛權集團持有埔西牧場20幾年不斷的申請都市計畫變更不斷的申請不要再停留在農業區了他們要開發要遊棄要休閒結果20幾年喔 |
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請問委員我真的不知道什麼時候準的 |
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我把歷程都寫得很清楚什麼時候準的2018年年底準2019年1月桃園市政府18年年底才買19年桃園市政府幫他把事務計畫都做好了19年5月的時候我們的內政部就準了從地方到中央一路開綠燈一條龍快速服務 |
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大家看的是瞠目結舌啊衛權搞了20幾年沒有辦法變一脈給三立一個月之內我們政文參所領導的桃園市政府太有效率了一個月喔馬上幫他體系部計畫五個月以後我們的內政部就准了院長神不神奇夠不夠力 |
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差別待遇在哪裡解釋給大家聽嘛神不神奇夠不夠力嘛兩位委員所講的政媒集團有政治影響力還開發土地牟利講的有沒有道理來請教院長報告我真的不知道這個過程 |
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沒關係啊 這件事情 我也不是第一天講了我公開講了嘛 我公開講了 但是我們偉大的民主進步黨政府遇到這種案子 是一片盡聲 一片靜悄悄媒體不敢報 官員不敢說 |
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但我們中華民國台灣的民主法制怎麼幫特定的政媒集團服務成這個樣子啊 非常的驚訝但我現在來講 先說到中央法規的部分中法規的部分 大家都在問 |
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威權搞了27年沒辦法過山立取得了以後光速過關那我就實事求是我馬上去拜讀山立當初是提出什麼樣神奇的計畫桃園市政府內政部一路過關斬將 |
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結果我看了 哇 原來這個三立影城跟我們前瞻基礎建設計畫是有關係因為前瞻基礎建設計畫是桃園市政府為了要配合我們的前瞻基礎建設計畫我們的文化部火速就讓他過啦但我看完了以後 我就只有一個問題前瞻基礎建設計畫跟三立集團的三立影城有什麼關係 |
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院長你知道有什麼關係嗎前瞻基礎建設是由各地方用競爭型的方式來提出地方的各項的建設所以一定要經過地方政府做很多的審核那這個進來預算的整個規模之後就會以預算的程序來進行來來我再跟院長報告聽你剛解釋的過程你顯然不是很了解沒有關係啦我當然不了解這個院長事務很繁忙嘛沒關係我幫院長都查好了 |
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我就去看了我們的前瞻基礎建設計畫文化生活圈建設計畫我從頭看到尾就沒有一個三立影城了我找不到啊我完全找不到啊讓我陷入了迷惘我們的桃園市政府是從哪裡看到前瞻基礎建設計畫有一個浦西牧場從農業區 |
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要變更成產業遊樂區這麼重要的土地計畫的變更從前瞻基礎建設計畫而來但我實際去看卻完全沒有但從農業區變更成產業專用區短短幾個月的時間光速通過了以後院長你知不知道這個地皮漲了多少錢啊 |
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請委員明示2018年三立是一坪三萬八嘛一坪三萬八很小的嘛牧場嘛農業區嘛怎麼會值錢但是喔區位變更了以後我們的鄭文燦市長 |
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加上我們的中央地方中央一路一條龍的服務以後我最近2024年4月周邊的土地就看了十家登錄一坪十幾萬的一坪十幾萬的 院長 有好談嗎我了解委員的用心你是希望地方首長不要涉入任何的土地開發這個用心我清楚了 |
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主席那我們是不是有請院長 |
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來請卓院長背信蔡委員好院長好 |
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我想這段時間辛苦尤其由凱米颱風之後有很多關係到水災然後關係到很多救災甚至花東的一個工作這段時間我看院長可以說是到處奔波所以真的很辛苦我想今天透過總諮詢我還是想把時間用在跟院長聊一下這個國土計劃法 |
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那國有計劃法我們知道他是在104年的時候當時候的行政院長是江以化他所提出來那在105年馬英九 |
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還在執政的時候 完成三讀那上路的時候是在105年的5月1號 當時是馬英九要告知蔡英文總統的時候把國土計劃法可以說是正式這個上路那以他的一個規定裡面 他分為一階二階跟三階首先一階的部分他在107年4月30全國的國土計劃是公告施行 |
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二階第110年的4月30號現式的國土計劃公告施行那一國土計劃第45條二階之後要到第三階類他就也就是在四年內必須要一併公告國土功能分區圖那也就是在114年的4月30前國土功能分區圖必須要全數的縣市都要公告然後要全面實施那也就是 |
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區域計劃法即將要被廢止那我想要請教院長的就是說那到目前為止還沒有繳交國土功能分區圖的縣市就我目前掌握還有新北市、台中市、桃園市苗栗縣、彰化縣、南投縣、雲林縣、台東縣以及嘉義市 |
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還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 還有9個縣市 |
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賴總統上任之後還是持續的請內政部請農業部全力在推動國土計畫法能夠讓他順利的上路所以也並請上位送達功能圖的各個縣市能夠在法定時間就是今年的6月30號能夠送達但到目前為止陳如委員所說還有9個縣市沒有送來但其中有若干縣市是允諾說會在9月底啦年底送來 |
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但是這不一定會到時候是不是真的如此但是有這樣的一個允諾有允諾啦我們在地方看到的是說他們說允諾有送因為目前大概還沒有送的我看除了苗栗是無黨籍啦其他好像都國民黨籍啦尤其包括像雲林我看他召開好多公聽會全部都在批判而且這個批判是帶有製造假消息 |
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他只要說國土計劃上路了喔!你們祖先的夢也會出問題因為我們現在很多農地那些過去會放夢說這樣夢也會出問題阿公喔!國土計劃上路了喔! |
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不能去任何地方都沒有機會事實上我們知道的就是說如果我們以現在內政部他們所公告他們說了很多的一些談餐一些讓我們可以去瞭解的事實上國有計劃法就有一些部分它有逐步在放寬有的會做一些微調 |
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很麻煩的就是這個違條在條文的本身是看不到的如果我們來看起來你在國土計劃法第21條他所規定的農業發展地區第一類供農業生產或其必要之產銷設施使用並限制或禁止其他使用 |
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我覺得這幾個字很嚴重禁止或限制其他使用所以一定要這幾天都封起來所以說大家就會說 喔 哇 原來農醫的土地什麼都不能用了 |
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所以現在大家都說不然農二比較好可是這個很矛盾啊因為我們知道所謂的農一跟農二他到底是怎麼演變來的有說好現在你如果是區域計劃法你如果是特別農業區他未來可能會變農一你如果一般農業區他未來可能會變農二 |
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現在我們的農業區的區分都又以過去有沒有灌溉就是說以前有做農水農來認定說他們是屬於特別農業區或一般農 |
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他現在這樣演變過來的時候造成很多農民他們是誤會的是說我的農地你現在在幫我變農醫療醫療我就動彈不得而且這個矛盾又在於說我們知道說 |
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現在國有區是屬於特別農業區內 它大概就是有灌溉啦有灌溉它就是水道比較多 如果是一般農業區內 它可能是低地利也可能是低層下限 或者是它沒有新紅頭水位沒有水塘灌溉 所以它可能會進展更多但是這個矛盾就在於說 我們強調糧食安全 可是我們的稻米是生產過剩的 |
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我們整個臺灣的水稻生產過剩所以現在水稻生產過剩你又說農業的土地必須要維持然後我們一般農的就是農惡的土地未來他是有比較有彈性但是我們水稻又不需要那麼多我們需要的農業的糧食安全應該要在黃小玉結果黃小玉他相對的 |
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相對的他的權益比較少你這樣看起來整個都矛盾整個都矛盾所以這個農民一定會說這個國土計畫法上路我有很多 他有很多事情他們在這段時間沒有辦法好好地溝通那又加上有些地方政府他根本是抵制型的在跟農民辦公廳會他根本說你要說他要上這個分區圖我不太相信他是真的要做分區圖他根本就要抵制的 |
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所以院長我具體一個建議就是這個國土計劃法到目前為止看起來我們現在茂囊上路會有很大的民怨那與其我們預見這樣的情況之下我們是不是稍微緩衝一點難得增加比較長的時間來做有效的溝通讓國土計劃的上路可以更加的順遂 |
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委員我尊重委員的意見但是請讓內政部劉部長談談看這段時間他努力推動這個國土計劃法的過程其實他現在對於這個整體的狀況有什麼樣的分析請說感謝委員 委員和二十幾位立法委員非常關心農民對農業也有政客的關聯這就是我們過去一段時間推動的時候當中的困擾 |
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因為國土計劃法實際上是要規範全台灣國土能不能好好的利用而不是把國土計劃法拿成當然生財的工具有若干縣市政府他們在4年前也是這個縣長的名義就直接公布他的國土計劃但是4年後他現在所說的方向跟他4年前所公布的其實已經相差太多完全不一樣 |
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而且我們聽到這個謠言的部分就是說你剛所提到的這個農一呢每一公頃要40萬塊然後農二呢每一公頃要30萬塊就變成農地是變成拿來炒作這個完全不符合國土計劃法現在所要推動的方向而且呢我們會認為國土計劃法的推動本來就是要在明年的4月30號一併來公布才能夠好好的規範全台灣各地國土的正確的運用 |
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但是我們也會呼籲國土計畫法不要跟農業發展完全掛鉤因為掛鉤下去的話對於農業部他們平常跟農會跟農民還有對農地上的利用有他們的方法跟推動的方向反而會讓人家錯以為說國土計畫法是來做框架然後限制我們農民然後限制我們農地的發展 |
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蔡委員可以讓農業部長把這一陣子所推動的方向還有修法的範圍跟委員報告一下我想怎麼樣讓我們台灣農業的永續發展是農業部的使命跟責任這樣子的一個政策的推動跟協助它不會因為國土計畫的推動 |
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主席 |
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農事的部分是跟鄉村有關的就是我們未來我們正在規劃鄉村的所有的規劃那未來像包括委員所關心的就是農舍的部分他不會跟國土計畫做掛鉤他有他特定的興建農舍的辦法所以在農業發展區裡面你要做農舍的一個興建都會跟現在的辦法是一樣的 |
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目前為什麼農民對於國土計畫法的誤解這麼深 |
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主要還是來自他的文字的本身以及國土計畫應該有23項執法這23項執法目前保魂都還沒有出來沒有跟您補充一下24項裡面13項已經公佈另外9項現在正在預告當中所以就在預告所以我說這一些執法應該跟國土計畫要一併來我們要一併去看待 |
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所以你說很多你說事實上是有放寬可以使用的但是他在母法的時候他的文字就是寫禁止或限制其他使用就是說這樣的一個文字事實上框在那邊 |
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呃... |
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基本上他的文字 |
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32條也是寫除了修上外不得增建或改建但是他現在如果是用錯的話也沒有限縮這就是這個母法的問題這個母法的問題在那你說我們現在有一些配套措施啊或者是我們一些對應的執法他有怎樣的一個辦法這些東西都和母法衝突啊所以我認為說我們需要時間就國土計劃法我們是不是在通盤來檢討一下然後我們不要貿然的就說我們把時間自己綁死自己 |
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所以這段時間大家溝通不清楚我們就說好 上路我覺得這樣的話風險很大因為我想我們大家目標我們目標一致我們希望台灣的所有土地利用必須要有更完善的規劃以後的我們的土地勒是用計畫的引導的方式這個我們方向一致但是以目前大家誤會這麼深的情況之下是不是有一個更妥善的時間來做更好的溝通好的委員 我跟委員報告 |
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剛剛委員說過這個法是在2016年的5月定定完成施施我也不相信當初訂這個法會完全沒有尊重顧慮到農民的權益但是現在看起來當中若干的解釋跟字眼跟文字上的用語確實是讓人家在解釋上或實施上之後會產生一些疑慮況且現在剛剛一開始說的還有9個縣市沒有送來我們除了請 |
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內政部繼續的請地方政府完成這個功能圖的送來之外如果真的無法送來那麼我們對於明年4月要全國的實施上路是有困難的因為依照國土計畫法45條的規定他是要一併公告的不能夠割裂的那這個是 |
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事實上因為有9個縣市沒有送來我們有這種事實上的困難法律上如果沒有一併公告我們也有法律上執法的困難那我也聽到來自縣市來自一些農民的團體甚至來自大院黨團的一些意見那麼還有一些外界的聲音都希望我們能夠再慎重那這個部分容許我們跟內政部跟農業部我們就事實的困難法律的困難跟外界的各種聲音我們會做最終的決定 |
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這部分就要拜託院長跟我們兩位部長做整體的評估然後讓農民有信心我們這樣的一個法定的上路對他們是更有好處而不是要綁死他們這個我覺得一定要讓他們很清楚的知道這一點況且我們不論做了什麼決定農業部對農業的對農民的補助 |
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在我們整個總統的政策底下幸福農家的這個政策底下我們絕對不會去輕忽忽略對農民相關的補助而且我們只會在制度上在補助上更精進更周全無論做什麼的決定因為現在法案是這樣因為它定4月30如果到時候事實上也沒辦法的話 |
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剛剛委員所說的希望我們不要增加誤解 |
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謝謝蔡委員謝謝卓院長下一位請林思明委員質詢謝謝江副院長我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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林委員好 是的 院長我接續剛才蔡議員有關國土計劃法的這個問題我想國土計劃法明年就要上路但是爭議一直不斷甚至我們看到連執政黨的委員都出來反對 |
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農業部也表示農業施政的資源投入和國土計劃法的施行並非對價關係這都是因為農民對土地變更充滿疑慮 |
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及對農地的畫設標準不一﹖ |
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鐵定會產生非常非常多的問題當然剛才不管是我們部長兩位部長都解釋的非常的多但是如果一旦明年實施會造成多大的一個農民的一個反彈我想我們執政者你們還是要去思考像我這個整理的最近幾天不管是總統府或者行政院你們的一個看法 |
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賴清哲總統表示說只是要彙整資料：行政院要再做整體評估：所以是否表示賴總統也贊成應該要延後施行 |
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另外行政院昨天也表示要等待9個縣市政府送銷國土功能分區圖再進行階段的討論所謂的新階段的討論的意思是什麼院長是否應該就現在來宣布暫緩施行 |
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所以難道國土計畫法一定有要在明年就這個施行的急迫性與必要性嗎另外我想提的就是有關相關的獎勵措施防止我們糧食安全風險以及農地品質下降等配套措施政府何時可以完成規劃內容公告讓民眾知道這幾個問題請院長先答覆 |
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好謝謝委員剛剛我已經跟蔡議員有答覆過我們看到了事實上目前的狀況以及依照國土計劃法45條的規定在執行上顯然是無法達成那個條件但是我們現在還是內政部農業部上去在努力當中那我會跟兩位部長在座討論 |
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用意第一個就避免引起農民跟一般民眾的誤解我們能不能把這個誤解解釋得清楚從原來法條裡面的解釋能不能解釋得清楚第二個我不願意這個案子是變成地方用一種政治的方式在做一種政治的對抗我們應該好好的來討論如何執行或是要不要怎麼執行 |
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行政部門還沒有做出任何的決定之前我還沒有向總統報告這個事情所以總統府是否贊成並沒有是或否的意思因為行政部門還沒有做出最終的決定但是我跟蔡議員也承諾了剛剛委員在 |
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循序的過程當中我們會依照大家現在反映給行政院的這種態度跟內容我們來做審慎的了解會儘速的做出一個決定那我希望這個決定之後大家就往那個方向去推院長我想這個國土計畫法到底要不要暫緩實施這件事情我想我們總共我自己會診一下總共大概我們立法院有11位委員有提出暫緩實施的一個修法的一個版本 |
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所以我們還是要呼籲行政院你要重視相關我們地方尤其農業縣市他們的意見雖然我想說你剛才一直講說你要花很多的力氣去跟他們做溝通因為你剛才提到你昨天提到一個事情就是說你說要等到如果說這些沒有繳交分區圖的縣市如果他們繳交之後再來進行所謂的新階段的討論 |
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那如果這九個縣市遲遲不交呢你的所謂的新階段的討論是指什麼 |
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就是一個是事實上不交來第二個是法律上的規定我們就沒有辦法依照45條但是現在我的矛盾是現在法條是要行政院全國的這個國土計畫要在明年4月公告所以院長我為什麼告訴你說有11個版本 |
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所以我想請行政院明確告訴我們社會大眾到底你對於我們這個11個修法的版本 行政院支持嗎你不要把責任都推給立法院嘛 你們支持嗎我想委員也希望行政院多多聆聽各方的意見我們也要多所整合 我們也要再做努力內政部 農業部是非常努力的這些事情以至於說現在的法律已經規定就是在明年要施行 |
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所以你是因為這個因素﹖所以你說你一定會去努力的去趕快打表對 但是因為有這麼多的立委提出修法的版本你也要表個態啊 你支持不支持啊 |
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國土法45條必須一併公告在未來執行上的困難 |
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那我也看到地方政府有各種的意見我也看到一些農民團體或代表你溝通還要一段時間嘛我們已經進行內政部已經很辛苦進行好長一段時間了對於說我們是不是 |
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請立法部門儘速的把這個法案儘速的修正你們做出你們一個相對應的意見我剛剛答覆的過程就說了我會跟兩位部長好好的討論我們如何接續後面如果將來我們一個表決定出來了那希望大院來協助那我當然希望透過法定的程序但是我們如果繼續推我也希望地方政府能夠合作好 院長我想這個議題我們就討論到這裡我想我最後的結論就是希望呼籲 |
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國土計劃法 當然關係到國家整體土地資源的規範與利用我知道你們的用心 但是更跟我們民眾的生活與財產是息息相關的如果你倉促的上路 造成他們非常多的疑慮也造成他們對政府的很多的埋怨 |
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報告委員 這不會是倉促上路 他已經言過一次了 |
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他言過兩年所以有進行討論我不敢說原來條文裡面有問題但因為這兩年還是沒有辦法化解誤解我們就必須重新再來 |
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國土計劃法縣市政府也是主管機關不一定是由我們的行政單位的那個內政部或相關機關如果縣市政府他們有不同的考量包括換屆的時候如果有任何考量他應該隨時可以提出來而且在我們國土計劃法裡面也提到五年就應該做通盤檢討但是我們所知道你細看法條的內容五年內你要兩年做通盤檢討也可以但是有若干縣市政府是看到說這個時間已經到了 |
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我想我還是希望說行政院很務實的面對民眾他們的聲音 |
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另外院長你是否知道目前校園中最紅的零食是什麼嗎校園中一個什麼糖就是從去年的魔魚爽到今天的叫做辣平糖請問這些是不是都沒有拿到合法的輸入席可或者是我們未經政府的食品檢驗最近 |
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很多的輿論在討論這個臨時的安全性的問題他是不是沒有經過拿到合法的輸入許可也沒有經過我們政府的產品檢驗 |
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現在所謂的拉平堂那個完全沒有經過我們正常的一個實體檢驗檢驗跟入境的一個稀可所以它現在確實到處流竄的話違反這個就是違法的那既然它是違法那請問這個部長為什麼還全台會到處流竄 |
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在網路平台上都可以取購的那你要如何查緝啊?因家取緝而已你是這樣後知後覺 |
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因為現在問題都已經浮現出來了這個問題還繼續在發生網路銷售行為的非常盛行所以在一時之間竄起來那我會要求衛福部我們的 |
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實案單位能夠馬上進行因為他原來是不能進來的不能進口的馬上要杜絕這個事情但是我希望這裡公開的呼籲啊國人以及小朋友還有家長共同來不要碰觸這樣危險的產品當然這是你的呼籲要去宣導告訴民眾但是我想這個查不勝查他們還是有辦法進來所以你要如何查緝如何追溯處罰這才是重點啊 |
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發言委員我們已經在113年9月18號還請各衛生局要加強市場的稽查查獲的規則將依法原辦那也本屬我們的食藥署也通知各個電商平台檢視 |
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所有的自家的電商品和自家的商品有沒有去廣告這個部分是部長我想關於這個蠟瓶堂因為他現在業者他又以不同的商品名稱繼續在平台上販售所以相關部門你對於這些狀況你有掌握嗎你掌握之後你怎麼樣去查緝他怎麼樣去杜絕他們繼續在網路上面去販賣 |
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教育部也會從教育系統對校內的行為來做一些節制平台的部分我們會請 |
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主管單位必須跟平台能夠去做一些這樣的溝通甚至要求我們現在希望能夠強力的要求平台既然落地希望他能夠符合我們的相關安全法律所以我想為了保護我們的國家的主人翁我在這邊特別沉重的呼籲我們行政院衛福部或者教育部對於這些未經合法檢驗或者未經 |
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正常管道進入到的這些堂國真的要嚴加取締 |
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另外我想還是要跟院長來討論能源的問題這個能源政策是我們人民最關心的一個議題 |
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電價的波動也是簽議法的動全身在今年4月電價審議委員會已經掌握一次電價在9月底也即將要再次召開電價審議委員會來討論電價調漲的問題所以我們老百姓都很關心說是不是又要再次面臨電價上漲和包縮水的一個問題所以院長我要在這邊要請院長你要苦民所苦 |
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你要以民生為優先人民的生活已經苦哈哈了實在是經不起再一波的電價調漲再一波的被剝一層皮那台電也已經對外表示說如果立法院最後沒有通過這個今年的1000億的預算的撥補那依據他的成本計算電價後續仍需補漲12% |
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也就是說台電它自身不去檢討說能源政策到底是錯在哪裡為什麼每年都會一直虧損對於它的經營管理的方式是否需要調整如果只是想要靠政府的撥補來彌平它的虧損甚至用這樣的一個說法來要求國會要通過補助 |
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我想這樣的一個經營方式是一個惡性的循環我們是不是政府都要每年用撥補預算的方式來這個永無止境彌補台電的虧損所以對於我們的能源政策行政院到底你對能源政策的一個配比或者未來我們有沒有可能我們一直在強調就是在核能有沒有繼續讓它延益的可能 |
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委員長您可不可以再次給我們很清楚的一個回答我們請請郭部長答覆一下電價報告這個委員我們的這個電價從今年開始大概會依法由這個電價匯率審議會來決定所以您剛才所指導的這個電價會不會漲這個完全要由這個審議委員會來做決定 |
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您剛才問台電到底經營的好不好我跟您報告是這個樣子我們在過去所產生的虧損大部分都是由因為物價因為原料的價格上漲惡霧的戰爭導致於我們進口的材料漲了很多我們因為這個要 |
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補貼民生用所以我們大概每一年都要補貼一千多億因為過去沒有完全反映在這個電價上面 |
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所以造成他嚴重的虧損部長當然剛才聽到你的回答你是講說這個電價的調漲要透過電價審議委員會但是我剛才已經念了一段文字給你聽就是說你們也表示說這個未來依據成本去計算電價後續仍需補漲12% |
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才能夠彌補臺電虧損的問題彌補的是要改善臺電的財務情形跟我們的電價沒有這個絕對的關係我們的意思是說我們這一次調不調電價是由審議委員會來決定但是一千億的撥補這件事情是在改善臺電的財務情形 |
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部長 如果您說是兩回事 我想請教你也就是說我們補助1000億之後 電價是不會調漲喔 |
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你可以很肯定的回答這個意思嗎我們可以跟這個審議委員會報告這以我們現在今年來 今年的材料價格因照你的邏輯 你剛才跟我講兩回事說台電的虧損跟所謂的我們電價要調漲12%這不是必然的對 不是絕對的那如果說經過撥補之後這一千億我們撥補給你難道你電價還要調漲嗎 |
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我認為這個審議委員會 他們應該會參考應該是可以不長我覺得經濟部的態度很重要啊你要明確告訴國人啊我來跟委員報告我們電價的重點在於我們如何維持民生的穩定民生的需求所以我們是反應成本 也要照顧民生當然我們也要穩定物價跟減量減碳 這個都要做所以跟委員報告我們今年提出的1000億的追加 |
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就我看來我要修正一下剛剛委員所說的轉述台電的說法說沒有這1100億就一定會漲電價這種說法絕對不對我也不希望跟國會用這種方式來對話今年的1100億我們可以用在穩定民生的電價讓它不漲今年的1100億我們可以來回復給台電它過去很多政策補貼的政策造成它財務的不良我們可以讓它財務比較健全 |
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所以我說這個一千億是用在穩定民生跟健全財務至於說電價審議委員會那是電價審議委員會獨立作業的一個審查結構我願意這樣來跟國會對答所以院長依照您剛才的回答我聽到的您說到就是如果今年這一千億補進去電價是不會調漲的 |
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9月底應該不會再調漲 |
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但是這個要交給審議委員會我必須再講到這是我們過去的期待以現在的期望 電價審議委員會還是會期待行政院你的態度要做出來嘛你的態度就是你也希望不要調嘛那另外因為你剛才又提到說整個這個要反映成本嘛所以你要看它成本多少你來去這個決定說電價的一個問題 |
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那我們看到臺電的財務報告指出說今年4月起調漲電價後仍繼續虧損截至7月底累積虧損超過新台幣4300億而行政院明年你要繼續編列1000億的預算來撥補臺電那院長我請問你臺電年年虧損 |
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財政部長 |
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臺電不負擔政策補貼 |
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這任務了他把它回復給目的世界主管機關所以目的世界主管會增加那台電的財務狀況會比較正義這就是一個社會投資跟補貼政策醫院啊學校這個就是一個社會投資跟政府的投資我其實我最終的我要請問院長你還是要這個很明確的告訴我們到底我們的 |
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政府是否仍堅持不願意做政策的改變對於這個我們的能源政策 |
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還是一樣到目前為止我們還是繼續的堅持用太陽能堅持用光電堅持用風電綠能來作為發電這堅持堅持兩個字是我們這是必要的選項我想我也知道依照核管法核三廠一號機它已經除役了那明年的 |
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2號機也會除役那現在合法法都沒有改變我們沒有辦法讓它重新啟動如果行政院的態度是希望核能繼續我想相關法令的修正立法院一定都願意配合所以到底說你的態度是怎樣啊你要跟我們講清楚說明白如果依照你現在的說法你說因為法律不許可所以我們沒有辦法去讓核能研議 |
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但是聽起來你是沒有反對核能喔他已經除以就沒有研議的問題是未來是否有可能重新啟動那現在法律上是不允許的所以你也贊成說我們透過修法讓這些這個核能他重新這個研議不是 行政院現在我們的態度是希望能夠剛剛說的 |
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光電 風電 包括水力 包括地熱 包括氫能所有的新能源我們都把它全數的開發出來 緊速的開發那現在還在興建中的燃氣電廠至少它是一個污染性質比較低的燃氣電廠能盡速依照時程把它先興建完成這樣我們有辦法在2030甚至2033年之前提供足夠的電力能源 |
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院長您講得很漂亮這不是漂亮 這數字的實際上能不能達成我想是一個很大的疑問其實我們現在來我再告訴你一件事情就是說河山廠停機後我們可以從我們看那個圖表上面看出來就是說目前我們的發電方式以這個天然氣的發電的占比最高大概占約45% |
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但同時發電的成本也不便宜燃氣的發電每發一電鍍我們就要虧損一塊錢 |
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我們以台電去年2023年的系統發電量是2454.61度換算下來大概我們燃氣發電一年一度要虧損一年大概要虧損1080億所以你的燃氣發電一年剛好大概就是要虧損1080億所以你今年又剛好撥補1000億 |
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跟這個數字 非常的接近所以你就跟他講你買一度電買一個天然氣買一度電然後你賣給人民你會虧損這個一塊錢如果盟大院的同意我們今年的最佳預算1000億那是在安定民生以及健全台電的成本不是在補所謂發電成本的差距所以那個 |
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如果核能不繼續重啟的話真的我們因為核能除役之後停機之後所造成的我們這些相關電力的不足所造成我們購電的成本又高然後台電又年年虧損 |
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這是一個無止境循環的狀況所以我到目前都看不出來說到底我們進一步到底要如何解決臺電年年虧損的問題 |
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就是要和安沒有問題和廢可以解決以及社會有討論的共識但是我想從我擔任立法委員從2020到現在每年我們都認為說到底台電這個虧損可不可以彌補啊可不可以平衡到什麼時候台電才不會虧損如果繼續這個發展我們的綠能那我們是不是台電何時能夠不虧損但是 |
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每年都講得非常好聽我們的綠能一定能夠達標但是仍然沒有達標那虧損繼續因為我們購電的成本太高了所以台電是永無止境的在虧損都要靠我們編預算來去撥補這個情形到底何時能夠停止院長你能給個承諾嗎我是希望這兩年內能夠把台電的財務能夠健全第一他不用負擔這麼多的政策補貼的政策 |
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這兩年讓我們來調整他的體質讓他不用負擔這麼多的政策補貼的任務 |
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不管你用任何的工具你就是讓台電營運上面能夠損益平衡 |
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這一點我們應該是有把握其實在過去幾年是因為烏鶴戰爭所導致於天然氣跟天然氣的價格比較高漲但是根據我們最近的這個最近 |
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與預測明年的這些材料的成本應該是不會再往上抓了所以他應該就會達到像委員知道的這樣的就是我們應該是不會再把這個價格調漲也不會再虧損 |
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希望你能做到我會很高興聽到這個答案但是我希望你能夠做到也拜託你能夠做到接下來針對偵查不公開請法務部長也一併上台 |
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24539.464 |
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我想針對這個特定媒體在政論節目上面有特定媒體記者記者在政論節目上面他透露說北檢正在偵查階段偵辦中的金華城相關案件的內容表示他在地檢已經經營了7年的線而且對於消息的信任度達到200% |
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我們前幾天也看到北檢有傳喚幾個證人傳喚他以及幾個人所以這個事件北檢表示說不管是檢連掉 |
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他們都不會去洩露這些偵查的內容那麼記者他是以多年的採訪經驗綜合分析判斷偵辦團隊絕對不會洩露偵查這個整個案情的內容所以我要請教這個院長因為本席知道這件事情之後我感到非常的瞠目結舌我想請教不管是院長或者我們部長 |
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這件事情到底這個記者講說他掌握了200%的這個這個信息的來源而且200%是可靠的請問到底他為什麼能夠知道原因是什麼他到底如何掌握的 |
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這部分那個北檢在9月9日有分案來做一個偵辦那所謂這位記者的是在13日有接受北檢的一個詢問他是以證人身份來接受詢問的 |
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部長部長我想請教一下這個記者他有拒絕政言的權利嗎是他有嗎 |
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24650.39 |
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他不願意透露消息的來源他可以這樣嗎 |
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這個檢方的回答就是發的聲明稿非常的含蓄這部分跟委員報告這部分只是檢方的一個初步的一個查證這個案件還沒解是那我想這個還會再覺得那個整個一個案情的一個檢方的持續的一個瞭解說真我相信可以再有一個我進一步問部長如果部長這個案子如果北檢沒有辦法 |
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主席主席 |
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好 謝謝謝謝林委員謝謝卓院長報告院會休息15分鐘休息之後繼續進行質詢現在休息 |
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法定人數不足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
發言會現在繼續開會請吳委員施要質詢答詢時間15分鐘謝謝主席有請院長還有法務部政部長請左院長還有法務部部長 |
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吳委員好這是稍後給您的珍珠奶茶但是先回答我嚴肅的問題喔兩位都辛苦所有那個團隊大家辛苦新會期一起努力喔那今天下午就在剛剛那社會非常注目的憲法法庭對於死刑做出了和線性的解釋但是呢對於訴訟制度上大法官也認為有部分違憲 |
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也就是說要回應國際公約也要依據憲法保障生命權的意旨我們後續針對強化訴訟制度保障人權要提升訴訟防禦權強化正當法律程序等等憲法法庭都做出非常明確的一個裁定 |
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尊重憲法是我們每個人的義務沒有人可以站在憲法的對立面我想問院長或是部長針對大法官會議這樣子的一個裁判我們行政部門的基礎立場以及後續要啟動的修法政策精進的作為大概會有哪些 簡要回應謝謝委員 |
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25838.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
行政院跟國人都應該尊重大法官所做出的這樣的解釋對於聽取他們也是聽取各界的意見很慎重的做出了這樣的解釋那據我的了解這個解釋文現在呈現出現行的制度原則上是存在而且是合憲的但是他的訴訟過程 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
政務部長 |
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25882.349 |
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可以嗎 有信心嗎我們會遵照憲法法庭的判決結果在兩年內因為他從宣誓之日起兩年內要完成修法那相關的修法確實條文這樣看起來攀爭起來需要一點時間來進行是 這個我們會儘速來提出修法的一些的草案出來然後來完成這個 |
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25885.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
25901.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
我想就教於部長社會也非常關注現在的37位被判死刑確定的被告那他們會因為這個大法官釋憲的結果會被釋放嗎會對他的身份上有什麼影響 |
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委員會主席 |
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法律程序因為接下來因為是不是這些案件要不要再審理這部分我們會會來再來做來啟動相關的再嚴謹審視正當法律程序所有的訴訟防禦權都要再強化的部分會來檢視但是這幾位被告他的死刑確認的身份不會改變也不會有釋放的問題 |
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後續本期是在司法法治委員會相關的修法研議都會在司法法治委員會我也希望朝野一起來努力一起來合作為了回應大法官的整個憲法法庭的 |
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有請文化部的李遠部長跟外交部的林佳龍部長 |
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我把握時間剛看到院長對於這個桌上的飲料很有興趣您可以飲用這個是臺灣的珍珠奶茶 |
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紅遍國際的珍珠奶茶 也跟我...謝謝這次不用讓我猜是是是 不會讓你猜 也不會逼你要喝什麼那 這樣的一個珍奶 跟我今天的主題非常的扣合雖然這個會期是要擔任黨團幹事長 但我念茲在茲的還是文化的工作而且今天的主題是我唯一一個擔任立委9年以來 |
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總質詢上第二次提出的文化政策我希望文化部李部長聯同外交部林佳龍部長強強聯手讓文化是最好的外交讓文化可以是最強的國防2758這個關鍵字 |
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我們有了歷史的新契機政治上在半世紀前斷裂了臺灣的生存發展的國際空間但是用文化來縫合下一頁這些我就不再贅述讓挺台抗中是國際新險學的這個機會臺灣一定要把握住下一頁 |
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立法院會努力如同今天上午民進黨團提出來的聯合聲明我們希望朝野齊心為2758號決議文一起撥亂反正立法院交給我們但是行政部門 |
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要有行動我看到加農部長有很多國際的投書未來我們會因應這個最新的2758不涉台的國際串聯跟行動有什麼新的作為或是我們對於參與聯合國相關的組織有什麼新的策略哪些是重點的組織 |
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跟委員報告現在因為聯合國大會期間我們的友邦也聯名致函聯合國的秘書長把這一個跟2758號決議扭曲的解釋也做了一個呈現 |
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現在在紐約有很多的活動跨國的我們也都跟美國會參與互相舉辦的活動在國際組織上我想在世界衛生大會的時候 |
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所以臺灣更要不落人後 |
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但我今天要提出一個新的策略下頁這裡是我列出來過去長久以來台灣參與國際組織的重點相關經營的戰略所在譬如說我們對於WHA世界衛生組織WHO的努力每年鍥而不捨 |
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或是我們對於加入國際民航組織 國際刑警組織都是我們列在外交部門 重中之重的 積極加入的重點國際組織而聯合國氣候變化的綱要公約 我們雖然也爭取要以觀察員來加入但是雖然台灣沒有加入 但是國家已經宣示 2050年的淨零排放是我們的目標 |
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我們不會因為我們目前不是聯合國周邊組織的成員我們就棄守了我們該善盡的國際責任但是這些是我從上一屆到這一屆向外交部各部門來追蹤到底哪些國際組織是台灣要鎖定目標精準打擊的這些面向下一頁WHA是一個很好的例子 |
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因為鍥而不捨,因為持之以恆每年已經成為臺灣的重要外交工作像今年我們新任的這個邱太元部長也再次率團前去不達臺灣相關的主張這是一個好的案例這是一個好的操作但是呢,文化是下一個機會我在這裡要提出對於UNESCO |
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國際就是聯合國的教科文組織他向下有世界文化遺產以及非物質文化遺產的兩個重要的國際都在踴躍升列的這個組織我想先問院長您本身對於世界文化遺產有什麼樣的認識有什麼樣的想法同樣的問題我去年問過陳建仁前院長 |
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而台灣當然有非常豐厚的文化多元性 |
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當我詢問了陳建仁院長的時候前一夜他以他過去他長期擔任臺灣宗教的這個外交的代言人他很快的回應我梵蒂岡整個城市都是世界文化遺產他的建築藝術他的宗教文化而很重要的是梵蒂岡不是聯合國的成員 |
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那我今天為什麼要給珍珠奶茶 |
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另外一個就是過去臺灣相對比較欠缺的對於世界文化遺產的認識就是無形文化遺產其實是更貼近人類的生活是體現人類文化傳承跟演進重要的需要被傳承推廣的比如說2023年UNESCO認列的非物質文化遺產有泰國的潑水節有 |
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意大利的Opera歌劇實文化的部分來珍珠奶茶主角來了日本在2013年成功的通過核食升列為世界文化遺產韓國不落人後泡菜也是世界文化遺產而最新的一個實文化來升列世界文化遺產的是法國的法棍麵包所以這是人類生活的結晶它反映了文化而台灣的珍奶 |
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大家可以想一想我們有什麼樣子的實文化也好或者是非物質的文化遺產其實文化部有準備啊塞夏族的矮齡祭或者是我們這個大家都很深知的我們很多的民俗祭典都可能有機會下一頁我很快的跟大家做報告一些背景 |
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文化是外交的敲門磚深烈示意臺灣不要再是outsider現在的有形世界文化遺產有1223個剛剛院長回答得非常好有文化型有自然型有混合型 |
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下一頁 |
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1972年UNESCO把世界文化遺產的公約推出之後邁向下一個50年現在亞洲急起直追過去這個過去以基督教或天主教文明為主的歐洲是深列世界文化遺產的主力區域但現在亞洲急起直追為什麼下一頁因為中國 |
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最新的一個情勢就是烏克蘭的總統他曾經對UNESCO發了一個非常精彩的演說搶救戰火下的文化遺產所以烏克蘭的一個海港ODESA因此被 |
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聯合國UNESCO通過成為世界要保護的文資戰火不可來波及看看烏克蘭想想台灣我這裡要加快速度喔下一頁台灣曾經有行動現在有18個潛力點包括本席的選區大屯火山下一頁 |
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台灣的政策從沉水扁日內開始啟動但是當中走走停停吳思瑤呼籲現在是恢復重啟這樣一個文化外交的行動 |
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有很多的重點我沒有辦法一一贅述下一頁他可以強化文化保存可以推動文化外交可以落實遺產教育可以促進文化觀光可以深化文化的認同他更可以實踐SDGs2022年UNESCO已經把文化列為SDGs重要的一項內涵所以呢上次我質詢過 |
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我們的大仁哥歷任的文化部長我都質詢過大家都說要做所以我們好不容易成起了遺產適宜的推動會我們更進步的連無形文化資產的推動會也成立了 |
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謝謝委員 |
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林部長我一直稱他是最有文化素養的外交部長而且林院部長經常會把文化帶向外交去兩位在這裡我向委員承諾我們不只是會做 |
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兩位部長 |
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好,謝謝吳委員謝謝院長下一位請王宏威委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我想先請行政院院長以及法務部政部長卓院長還有政部長請備詢 |
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在今天下午最新的大法官釋憲出爐我相信你們也應該得到相關的訊息那麼最後針對死刑是否合憲那麼大法官做出合憲的決定 |
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但是他增加了很多的關關卡卡對於未來的30就是現在已存的37名的死刑犯有部分的條件下他可以申請非常上訴那麼還有針對一些比如說金帳那麼未來他在執行上是不是可以執行死刑等等那所以我想請問一下院長針對 |
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今天最新的視線結果 行政院的回應是什麼好 謝謝王委員的關心這個議題就正如剛剛我們在回答胡適耀委員一樣遵守國際人權公約以及完善我們的法律的正義的程序這個是兩項重要的原則所以行政院跟國人都應該尊重大法官會所做出的對這個實行意見的這個決定 |
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這個決定是意味死刑的制度是原則上是合憲的但在訴訟的過程當中若干有違憲的部分對 因為他現在呢其實重點未來重點就是接下來37名這個死刑犯因為他一直都沒有執行那我現在具體的請教法務部長那麼竟然 |
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請部長回答 |
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法定人數不足 |
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因為這37位甚至有長達24年都沒有執行死刑 |
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也就是這些受害家屬等待了將近五分之一個 對不起啊 四分之一個世紀他還沒有等到他的公平和正義好 那現在你根據今天憲法法庭做成的決議你要釐清請問一下你要多久才能釐清 多久才能夠開始執行死刑 |
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那這部分我們請最高檢察署來競訴來做一個競訴要待要多久要給社會一個回答因為如果按照這樣雖然死刑核限但是我們擔心的是用這樣關關卡卡而不是讓37名的死刑犯又一次得到了免死金牌對不對 |
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具體要求行政院法務部盡快釐清這37名死刑犯哪一些 |
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合乎非常上述條件哪一些根本不合乎非常上述條件你們就應該落實執行死刑對不對依法執行對不對 |
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議員長我講的合不合理報告委員因為我人在這裏我沒有看到整個的內容不過我初步的瞭解是針對那些真的最大惡極的個案可以適用每個案件的復雜程度不同我們希望能盡快的給社會一個交代好不好盡快給社會交代不要讓大家以為這個是拿了免死金牌好第二件事情 |
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因為按照今天憲法法庭所提出來的這37名的死刑犯你們要必須重新檢視他有一些可能合乎資格可以去跟這個檢察總長去提起這個非常上述 |
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但是我在這邊 我也要 正好我今天質詢 我要直接的說明的是 因為在憲法法庭說 如果這個事不是犯最嚴重之罪而判處死刑 他可以請檢察總長提非常上訴 |
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什麼叫做不是最嚴重之罪 我要特別講 37名死刑犯裡面 這裡面有好幾個案子是殺警案過去多少殺警案 讓整個社會付出沉重的代價 我們痛徹心扉所以殺警案 我在這邊具體的要求 殺警犯 檢察總長不應該再幫他提起非常上訴 |
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另外這裡面也有很多非常殘忍的去殺害無辜女性性侵之後兼施然後甚至還去破壞這個屍體這樣的案子也不應該再去提起非常上訴不要再浪費我們的社會資源司法資源所以我要講的是今天雖然 |
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這裏面特別提到有關於金帳的部分過去我們也看到重大的刑案裏面以所謂的金帳然後作為一個逃脫罪名的一個說法藉口也引起社會極大的反彈民意無法接受所以未來有關於金帳的它的標準 |
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應該要有嚴格的科學認定這當然是應該在司法院的部分但是呢這個不屬於行政院跟法務部的範疇可是我在這邊也要去提出我們的主張因為我覺得我們的社會公義尤其這些受害人家屬他的公平正義應該在司法裡面得到伸張好不好 |
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議員長可不可以 可不可以承諾謝謝委員 我想委員這種忌惡如仇的精神多數的人跟您是一樣的沒錯 百分之八十的台灣民眾跟我一樣我還必須要講一句話你是不是跟我一樣 我問你是不是跟我一樣一樣 一樣 那所以啊所以我也請委員跟我一樣如果我們要進入到整個道法官解釋之後的後續行為那會進入到每個個案 我們就不要涉入個案我們忌惡如仇的精神是一樣的不涉入個案的原則也應該相同 |
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讓未來的警察提醒我剛才講作案殺警案殺警還要提前背上上訴還要再審那種道理好我不要浪費我這個今天質詢要很多東西啦所以今天特別請部長跟院長做一個答覆今天因為很多媒體也在等你們的答覆所以好你再花最多30秒你回應一下 |
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提起非常嚴厲 提起非常上述再來就是最高法院來做一個審理 |
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最嚴重之罪 |
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內政部跟法務部長請備詢 |
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我繼續延續全民關心的話題就是打詐 詐騙已經無所不在 台灣多少民眾受詐騙所苦為了打詐 我們成立打詐辦公室 成立打詐國家隊 然後花了大筆的預算去提高宣傳的效果 |
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委員長我告訴你一個非常驚人的數字你們行政院很好為了要打架提醒大家你們做了一個就是一個打架的一個儀表板就是每天告訴你會診從中央到地方有多少詐騙的案件然後有多少的財損 |
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從8月29號上線開始這個打詐儀表板每一天所顯示的打詐的就是詐騙的數量跟詐騙財損的金額簡直嚇死人以來看8月29號第一天上線整個的打詐儀表板所顯示的財損金額達到4億超過4億 |
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到了9月3號這個大概是一個高峰超過了5億在昨天一樣超過了4億所以我想請問一下部長我怕院長記不起來你知不知道去年我們整體的詐騙財損金額是多少部長記得嗎我不太記得但是我知道大概是2萬多件額度我不太記得 |
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報告委員 計算方法不一樣 |
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我們現在在整個的金額上面6月7月8月每一個月都超過100億按照這樣子的一個進度院長我是你的話我會心驚膽跳 |
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打砸打成財損金額繼續上升這個詐騙集團根本太猖獗了根本不怕所以我今天如果我要送你東西我要送你一個白旗為什麼難道我們跟詐騙集團揮白旗了嗎 |
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我們難道投降了嗎為何如此的詐騙集團繼續的這麼猖獗我們在上個會期我們全部的支持在野的那個政黨也一起支持打詐司法我們希望他趕快發揮功效所以我們不想看到這樣整個的詐騙權限的崩潰所以在這邊特別提醒包含我們內政部提醒我們法務部 |
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打架現在我們還需努力不是通過法律完就結束的這點非常重要另外我們來看 |
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錢花到哪裡去了錢花到哪裡去了我們最近不管在電子媒體電視廣播還不時的看到很多的這個詐騙反詐騙的廣告我們政府花了大錢而以今年來說包含行政院包含警政署包含法務部 |
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我們在打詐的媒體預算全部都大幅的增加增加最多的就是警政省增加最多就是113跟114年你編列這麼多的打詐的媒體宣傳的預算宣傳到哪裡去了成果在哪裡我們不可能說今天我們一方面 |
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民眾的荷包受損我們納稅人的荷包也在失選它的效果在哪裡這個實在令人無法接受 |
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113年一千多萬 |
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對呀 我都一直說 我跟你講113年就是增加了113年就比之前增加了 然後你們現在再大幅的增加我告訴你接下來我為什麼要講 我們今天不能夠是這樣子我們今天政府花這麼多錢 結果詐騙集團賺飽飽 |
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我直接講也不能夠讓特定媒體我直接說綠媒不應該賺飽飽啊 |
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這次在你們上任之前我就曾經去統計過這是112年度在去年度的執行當然也不是你們在執行可是光是反詐騙的拍攝媒體行銷包含你們這麼多部會 行政院 刑事警察局 法國部 包含金管會今年金管會沒有齁 |
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全部9494%的預算集中在一家媒體民視這就是我們最近一直在討論的為什麼政府的預算行銷的預算行銷媒體行銷的預算如此的集中我現在還有一些資料人家跟我跟我在在爆料 |
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合理嗎?合理嗎? |
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議員長合理嗎媒體公開採購這是一個制度啊怎麼這麼好呢那如果我要告訴你為什麼他每年都可以集中在他手上呢就像這個制度是怎麼樣呢是不是只有他最有興趣比方說 |
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我最關心的是我們現在不能夠容忍詐騙集團如此猖獗 |
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我前陣看到比如說那時候說有很多的名人不管是政治的名人財經的名人包含我們那個經濟部長也是受害者啊對不對人家就是他的假的FB啊現在有一些網紅就是一些理財達人也是一樣啊就通通都被當詐騙集團尤其因為大部分都集中在所謂的投資理財的詐騙所以我們痛下決心 |
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一定要就是不能對詐騙集團投降但是我在這邊直接告訴告訴我們院長告訴我們部會首長你們現在增加的大幅增加的媒體行銷預算我們愛南同意如果你的執行是這樣子的話 |
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這怎麼能夠同意呢你要有這個成效才可以好不好在這邊請你們執行沒有你包含今天執行嗎院長你不是明年才當行政院長對不對現在有一些執行你們也怪怪的我直接說包含你行政院下面這個打詐預算什麼一些預算也是怪怪的等我抓出來我再告訴你也許你不知道 |
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時間暫停 |
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委員好總裁好 總裁啊 是你們昨天公布的這個打房啊 第7波打房這個效果啊 非常驚人打房該不該打 該打但是呢 這一波被媒體形容什麼史上最猛 史上最兇這個 往死裡打 |
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的打防措施那我要跟總裁反映的事情這院長也請要聽一下基本上我要講我很早認識總裁我之前已經跑中央銀行所以我極度尊重中央銀行的獨立性我不希望政治的手干預到中央銀行但是這一次的打防措施我必須要去反映整個的民情 |
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我們這次打房的萌藥來得太晚來得太猛以目前來看總裁你們可能要去考慮到有沒有濫殺無辜的狀況 |
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因為你們現在在第二房很快的從原來的6層降到5層然後降到4層這個非常快速的降低但是大家都知道現在房價很高那有很多買預售屋的有很多買預售屋的他可能是兩年前買的所以他現在會面臨一個什麼狀況 |
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另外兩層他籌不出錢來他必須去退退按照現在契約他要補房價的15%所以原來在之前也許兩年前三年前他買預售物然後現在開始要交屋了 |
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他現在立刻面臨到他這兩層的gap pump不過來所以他必須去退那麼倒楣的是誰倒楣的就是這些當年兩年前去買預售屋的還有因為你們到了現在自然人第二房所以這個沒有寬限期我要講 |
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原來我就是有繼承主處我們很多可能在中南部農村我就有繼承這個主處可是呢我來到台北來打拼來到新北來打拼我不能買房嗎我買房我現在連寬限期都沒有所以總裁你說要給他們一個Lesson給這些投資客一個Lesson可是很多人他不是投資他不是投機也不是投資啊 |
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另外我特別講說不要去濫殺無辜 |
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所以在這邊具體的來建議中央銀行這個在你們上次提的時候我也跟你們央行我忘了是業務局還是怎麼樣他跟我講一大堆後來果然那個問題一堆你們應該訂出一個日出條款也就是說今天當央行有一個這樣的一個嚴厲的打房選擇性信用管制你應該從這個時候開始啊 |
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我買城屋也好我買預售屋也好我兩年前買我很倒楣我要一個月前買結果我現在帶不到錢我現在必須要去退然後我立刻損失他們何其無辜啊是他們在炒房嗎當然不是啊我現在在那邊講誰在炒房心晴安我真的很生氣 |
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今年為什麼央行這樣子打下來就是因為今年漲得太兇嘛新金安從去年8月份推了以後從南到北最少都漲5%了臺北市漲5%新竹縣市漲11%就是因為今年漲得太多漲得太兇新金安推升了房價成為整個房價上升的元兇結果 |
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一發不可收拾然後央行現在重手去打 |
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總裁我在這邊跟你預告這次打房會成功房價會一定會一定會有反應但是我要講的是我們不能坐在冷氣房裡面就如同那時候的現代令說有沒有現代令沒有沒有現代令可是有沒有呢我們都接受很多的陳情有沒有有啊 |
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而且這個現在你們最近趕快去做了一些補救措施我在這邊可以預言半年之內會再出現貸不到錢貸不到錢因為你們現在都滿水位了嘛你們銀行通通都滿水位了所以我要講的就是說我希望在這一波的打房措施裡面 |
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能夠去考論到這一些他們並不是在炒房的投機客投資客好不好總裁可以嗎讓他們教他們一個Lesson有的人很倒楣他又沒有在炒房就教訓到他們我們會持續的來檢討好不好拜託總裁那個時間暫停一下再請一下我們的金管會主委 |
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委員拜託這個新清安的部分能夠讓我沒有時間了對不起因為我覺得時間很多請主委開始我講新清安的政策應該委員您很清楚我們都很清楚另外我為什麼在講一些金融性的我們在財委會但是我覺得這蠻重要今天在金融界 |
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總裁可以請回總裁這個引起最大的影響很大另外一個就是新光晶要被誰變花落誰家的問題這個我也有跟主委有討論過今天中信經營已經宣布他們放棄民不予管鬥對不對我現在要講的是昨天我也跟你講過 |
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我們有關於併購的政策 要公開 要透明 要公正你們怎麼說你看 中信經搶親拼翻盤 來看下一列拼翻盤 經委會怒了 反議就是反對主委我當時就說 請問你們是依哪一條法 |
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說可以直接說反對你人家跟你申請你可以轉你也可以不轉這是你的行政的職權這是你的那個權責嘛但是你有什麼說不用送了懷疑就是反對不必送了可以這樣子嗎我們金管會有這麼大權力嗎 |
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他可不可以送嗎? |
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在這一次的合併案裡面 包含 |
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請你趕快回文 |
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這不是檢舉函 這不是檢舉函人家都告到北檢去了所以這件事情我要講的我們所有的併購案必須要公平公正透明然後我要講的是 |
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來直接說在這一次金管會的作為普遍被外界認為有毒後台新金的嫌疑而這樣的狀況外界盛傳是因為台新金有一個超級大門神就是我們的前經濟部長王美花部長 |
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年薪1500萬年薪1500萬吶所以在整個的狀況之下儘管會竟然突然竟然可以有關金金分離的原則你可以處就是完全不理 |
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院長 |
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在不管我們金融或者是供應行庫我希望不要因為綠色門神當道而變成無法無天所以我今天講的這個金融就是今天彈性金是不是有一個綠色大門神守在那裡第二件好時間有一點時間另外第二件 |
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不知道你知道嗎我們其實在國防的預算裡面我們會一直討論我們會非常專注去討論有關前階國造的部分因為這次是一次把它編組嘛然後在海豐號裡面有三個主要的資助就是包含黃曙光海軍還有臺船 |
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照理說臺船這次完成了海空號接下來臺船不是應該有更重要的任務嗎結果臺船的董事長很好我們經濟部長上來我不知道你知不知道臺船董事長突然在無預警的狀況之下比如說今天給他一個公文明天請他走人為什麼 |
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請問一下 台船發生什麼問題 如果你們覺得海昆礦很OK 國防部長不是在講嗎 我們明年就會完成測試 交建什麼東西之類 啊不是台船造的嗎結果台船造出了什麼問題 要讓他羞辱性的走人 為什麼 來我時間最後 |
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我還要在這裏還是要謝謝向董事長的辛苦臺船只是只有做訓練完全無稽之談完全無稽之談委員你知道臺船新任董事長的背景嗎 |
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那我請問 為什麼鄭文榮要走?他犯了什麼問題?他有什麼錯誤?他不專業嗎?他沒有完成海空號嗎?不要羞辱人道這種地步你這一句話好廉價 院長 如果今天發刊給你 明天 |
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委員長施政報告委員長施政報告 |
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好,我們時間到,謝謝王委員、謝謝左院長下一位我們請省發會委員質詢 |
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主席 先有請卓院長有請卓院長備詢委員長好委員長午安 抱歉我今天有點小聲沒關係 聽得懂你聽不清楚你先告訴我 |
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這個會期這個是我們賴總統跟卓院長這個上任之後第一個預算會期所以今天的這個施政報告跟今天的總質詢對我個人認為說是重中之重 |
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委員長施政報告 |
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如果院長還有印象在7月總質詢的時候本席有就亞洲資產管理中心的問題來就教於院長跟我們相關的部會照我的印象當時我質詢的時候是7月那時候我們的彭主委有說不好意思請彭主委 |
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彭斯文之前有說要在8月20號要公布我們有關這個亞洲資產管理中心的全盤的計畫但是到今天已經這個9月20號了那這個我想了解我們現在目前資產管理中心相關的計畫的進度 |
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行政院院長施政報告 |
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嚴厚到顧問會議聽取顧問的意見以後我們在9月10號在金融研訓院舉辦了一個一整天下午的政策說明除了把我們各個局裡面的相關的政策對外說明還有邀集了我有看到9月10號你的那個相關的報告那這個等一下我會就這個內容來跟主委這個來討論那這個這個當然從 |
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事實上今年3月8號陳建仁院長的時候我那時候就有針對亞洲資產管理中心的問題有跟這個陳院長溝通那今年7月這個7月2號的總諮詢我也有在這裡提 |
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那主要那時候我提出來的如果主委還有印象的話我那時候大概就是說第一個就是設立彈性設立這個專責的單位第二個是提供一個全英文的一個單一窗口第三個就是這個鬆綁法規擴大國內資產的管理的規模第四個就是說從修正稅制來這個來這個對這個 |
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修正稅制來吸引相關的資本投入資產管理大概是這幾個面向那我也在這裡要先表示肯定因為我看你們9月10號的時候我們所提出來的這個計畫大概我本席所建議的一些部分都有所採納在這裡先給予肯定 |
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但是這裡面還有幾個問題我認為說到現在為止我個人還沒有看到有解決這個部分我等一下會請卓院長因為院長是在各部會之間要來進行各部會如果說對於一個政策的看法有所不同的話應該是由院長這邊來協調 |
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黃主委你們在9月10號出席金融原訓院主辦的打造亞洲資產管理中心政策跟產業的高峰論壇裡面大概是你最完整的闡述亞洲資產管理中心的一個 |
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我看你把整個計畫分成五個大的部分事實上今天早上我很仔細聽昨院長的施政報告昨院長大概就是用兩個部分來總結亞洲資產管理中心第一個要留財 |
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丟財引資丟財引資大概是兩個重點包括壯大資產管理、普惠永續融合、財富管理促進、資金投入、公共建設、擴大投資台灣這五大計畫 |
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這個我想就是就這個主委員長所講的這個流財 |
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跟這個我們這個彭主委所講的這個普惠永續融合這裡面我都看到一個到目前為止好像我們政府單位在這部分還這個我們這個彭主委所宣誓的部分跟我們其他相關的部會可能還有所焊隔的就是在我們這個普惠永續計畫裡面你有提到說支持TSA |
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作為全民資產管理教育推動 |
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實際上我們在學界在金融界大家也都認為說要做這個金融管理中心這個TISA絕對是非常關鍵的一個非常關鍵的一部現場顧問也這麼建議他也就是卓院長所說的流財裡面的一部分流財裡面的一部分就是你要讓這個我們 |
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國人擁有的資產不要就是不要過度的儲蓄你要讓他能夠出來做包括個人的退休規劃退休理財你都應該應該用這個方式來來這個讓他能夠投入他對於個人資產管理的意識以及增加我們金融市場對對就是 |
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讓這個國人除了儲蓄以外他有這種理財的意識他能夠把這個資金把自己的這個資金投入這個資產管理的市場對不對那這個但是齁這個 |
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目前我們建制我們要建制台版的TISA這個部分目前有遇到什麼樣的困難請主委這邊說明一下謝委員主要是TISA因為它我們在很多國家有看到類似但幾乎都不相同比如日本這一套應該是看了英國的2013年的制度他們在2014年開始推出他們在2024年也做了個改版 |
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財政部部長 |
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院長事實上一直到上個月我們所看到的有關於這個我們這個要建立這個台版的TISA制度裡面很重要的一個部分就是租稅的優惠你租稅的這個租稅制度的改變你才有辦法讓這個TISA能夠真正的產生它的作用 |
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但是我看到到上個月為止我們財政部針對有關於這個TISA制度的設計到目前為止我看財政部的態度都是消極而且是負面的是不是這個狀況跟委員報告有關TISA裡面涉及到租稅的部分其實財政部已經整理了相關 |
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在我們租稅部分比如說是資本利得或者投資之息的一個所得的一些扣除還有金融利息的一些扣除等等現行在我們的所得稅制裡面已經有相對的算非常優惠的一個機制在裡面 |
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而對於投資金額在可以扣除的話跟所得稅制裡面是屬於你要維持基本生活的一個支出才可以在所得稅制裡面扣除基本上是有點原則是相漢格的所以我們會認為說各國在推動相關的類似TISA、NISA等等的我們應該可以做一些稅制上我可以幫你整理得更清楚 |
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事實上提查制度提供一定扣除額的優惠做稅制的改變它一定是提查的重要精神要不然大家幹嘛去做提查我就把退休金存在那裡就好我幹嘛要去做投資理財我們必須要提供稅制的一些誘因才能讓一般人把這些儲蓄拿出來作為投資理財 |
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財政部我看財政部大概幾個意見這剛才部長講的很長大概我看你們這四個反對的意見第一個就是說你們認為說這個投資的本金他的性質上他不是基本生活所需也不是維持基本生活費用支出 |
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的性質你們認為性質上不宜放入扣除額本質性質上你們認為不宜這是第一點第二點就是你們認為說我們國家目前的這個投資有關投資所得減免的這些措施已經比外國還要優惠了 |
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這是你們所提的第二點那第三點是說你們這個按照這個證交所的一些統計你們認為台灣現在的台灣現在的這個這個股市齁證券投資市場風氣已經非常熱絡了不用再用稅制來鼓勵啦這是你們的第三個理由第四個理由是你們認為這個 |
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投資本金作為扣除而減免你們認為這個對於本來無需繳稅的這些部分會形成不公平基本上你們是這樣認為而且認為說有雙重所得稅的優惠這樣子的疑慮對不對我剛整理這四點是不是就你們對 |
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委員長現在我就是要請教院長現在我們金管會對於推動TISA對於推動這個亞洲資產管理中心裡面的這個部分他們認為這個TISA勢在必行而且認為租稅的這個制度的改變也是重中之重 |
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財政部在基本的立場上面剛剛我所講的這4點財政部就不同意認為說不必不應該做租稅的改變這部分請院長是不是做一個答案我先跟委員報告這個亞洲資產管理中心這是進化會第一次會議的重要決定那麼也會 |
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移序往後推動 經管會也已經有進度了 包括9月10號我們在9月3號的顧問會議當中 顧問討論也非常熱烈我認為租稅的優惠是一種政策工具 甚至是一種手段我們可以吸引更多的投資 但是當中也希望能夠考慮到整個社會的公平的制度 我們不需要 |
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財政部門金管會相當的對於自己的看法跟 |
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主張都相當堅持而且目標清楚其實我們會支持這個案子其實我們也經過很多的考慮 |
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財政部議員 |
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主委我引用金融界人士一句話 |
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如果說台版的TISA沒辦法不做的話所謂亞洲資產管理中心根本就是假的根本就是假的那你要做TISA我們這些相關的租稅你這必須要在租稅公平、付稅公平跟這個這個資產管理這兩個方面要做一個合理的平衡更甚至應該要考慮到更應該要考慮到退休制度的永續 |
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29489.646 |
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29494.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
這個也必須要納入一併的考量沒有這些租稅優惠的改變這個TESA是假的沒有TESA亞洲資產管理中心是假的 |
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29510.27 |
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29536.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
所以我說我們需要這些政策工具甚至是一種手段來吸引更多的投資但當中的公平分配這個合理化因為時間現在最後剩下不到1分鐘我想我這個除了我每次提出一些建議我希望說能夠我們接近外國的這個經驗第一個剛剛講說流財第二個是影資在影資的部分日本他們事實上做了一個最近做了一個Japan Weeks |
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29536.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
29537.138 |
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謝謝主委 謝謝部長 |
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29569.146 |
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29586.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
好,謝謝謝謝左院長,謝謝沈委員報言會本日排定質詢的委員均與質詢完畢謝謝左院長、政府院長及各部會所長列席答詢9月24日星期二上午9點繼續開會進行施政報告之質詢,現在休息 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-20T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次會議（事由：行政院院長施政報告並備質詢） |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:00 - 17:45:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16122 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16122 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-20T09:45:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-20T17:45:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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