| IVOD_ID |
161214 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161214 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T12:00:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T12:12:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d520915e3581c198da335f3e47612ac34e98c36c5eeff8411ba24b690559eb13b985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:39 - 12:12:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會及所屬預算解凍案。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關不當黨產處理委員會預算解凍案。三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關中央選舉委員會及所屬預算解凍案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關大陸委員會預算解凍案。五、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關客家委員會及所屬預算解凍案。
【5月12日（星期一）、14日（星期三）、15日（星期四）三天一次會】） |
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請陸委會邱隨聖邱主委好 請邱主委總委好主委 你是對的人我身對的人身對的人 那個叫行政院那個官網啦有漢人跟其他人嘛 對不對你是哪裡人如果照行政院這個官網的分類因為你身對 你是哪邊的人 |
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新竹市是漢人還是其他人當然是一般漢人你是漢人行政院把96.2的漢人都現在變成是其他人所以你說你是漢人那以後你就是其他人了是不是照這樣分類是不是其他人主委你現在陸委會主委這個很重要 |
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結果民進黨政府現在一直在推動這個去中化 去安化你的工作會不會很難做啊委員 我們並沒有委員所說的那樣的事情現在兩個人看起來很多都停擺我看你很多業務都推動的還是有在持續的進行交流只不過我們在去統戰化 去政治化讓交流回歸到對等尊嚴 健康有序的環境來進行 |
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都溝通啦然後多一些和平少一些對立要不然的話老實講再這樣下去陸委會不是只有預算凍結現在解凍陸委會搞不好應該都要拆掉沒有功能了沒有需要我們同仁現在還在履行兩岸條例跟港澳條例的相關業務我們陸委會同仁戰戰兢兢的那麼業務上其實也相當的繁重 |
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主委我看你今天這個解凍報告提到說我們台灣現在有36萬6千個陸配家庭用大概4個人來算好了 |
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大概有150萬陸配的這個家庭跟陸配有關係的才會報國盤對不對我看你的這個報告裡面講到說要協助陸配家庭深入去融入我國社會的生活等政策對不對要多努力我們希望多一些協助多一些照顧那最近啊老實講不只沒有協助我感覺最近啊去推民國94年之前也就是2004年 |
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2004年3月1號之前要陸配回去找21年以前的大陸 |
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他的除籍資料老實講是有強人手懶當然這段時間包括你也到我辦公室我們都有協調我大概有六次開了六次協調會你已經是我第四次執行這個問題了那我們現在看起來有些突破可是老實講照顧還是不夠的那我們先來講我們現在做了哪些事情可是有些地方我們進一步來解決好不好我先問你現在最新的一個解決方案就是很多陸配跟二代接到你們通知之後 |
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很擔心會不會戶籍被取消或者甚至被驅逐出境變成人囚現在我們初步的一個突破是這樣子一方面我們先治標跟治本治標我們現在做的就是現在開始接受申請包括你可以本人到移民署也可以用郵件也可以用紙本然後接到之後是不是一個月內你們本身就要做好這個審查 |
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跟委員報告有關於現在的這些專案在協處的那剛剛委員說因為年代久遠那如果他手邊沒有任何的證明文件我們移民署跟海基會都會提供讓他有所本 |
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第二個他可能在放棄大陸原籍可能還有許多的自愛難行我們要感謝委員包括您還有你們辦公室團隊都積極的在協助那我們也協助你們辦公室所轉來的個案都得到充分的協助那我們要跟委員講 |
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這個案子並不是在找陸培家庭的麻煩而是我們在疫情期間做了第一波清理然後回溯清理發現還是有人沒有一直到剛剛委員所說2004年3月1號之前那些放棄大陸園籍的很多都沒有放棄我們是也可以把問題蓋下來但是我們選擇面對問題勇於承擔而且找出解決問題的方法 |
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讓我們的陸配家庭真的有機會不要受貶質疑他在台灣的生活是合法的在這個前提下才能安居樂業我們是朝這個目的來做當然有一些資深陸配家裡或是他二代這個我們要提供許多的協助 |
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我們今天最重要是要解決問題啦政府存在的目的不是製造問題是解決問題所以我們共同努力嘛我們現在很清楚跟現在擔心的陸配跟二代我們今天很清楚跟他講他現在本來他們擔心是什麼你4月2號寄通知你要三個月內要他們完成初級嘛對不對 |
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時間快到了喔你要跟我們聯繫就不用擔心有被觸及的問題所以現在跟陸委會跟移民署跟海基會聯繫上就沒有問題我們都會抓人跟他輔導來解決他的問題所以不會有六月底或者七月初被觸及這個問題我們都會全力協助所以你們只要去申請你們就會給他一個通知嘛對不對然後會有三個可能來來看一看有三種可能來 |
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第一個你們同意讓他用用切結的方式來取代對不對這是第一種這是最理想的就是說你真正沒辦法回大陸去或者你資料已經找不到了你就同意他用切結這是最好的一個方式對不對第二種雖然沒辦法用用拒絕可是你會同意他閃年對不對另外最壞最後一種狀況你不同意終究不同意的話你還是至少會給他三個月內三個月的閃年時間是不是這樣 |
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就是最右邊這一欄嘛最後面這一欄真的是就是自愛男性有特別的狀況我們也會專案來替他協助所以只要找到你們或者到我們辦公室我們把案子轉過去就可以爭取到時間有這三個解決的方案那當然治本還是要修法啦這是治標所以民眾黨會提出修法我們是希望在93年 |
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大陸現在有四個省份啦現在山東、山西、安徽跟浙江他們都不發啦 這怎麼解決 |
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跟委員報告您剛講這些拒絕提供我們陸配朋友回去放棄他的原籍證明拒絕給他除籍文件這個事都極少數那這些都是個案 |
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那個案的部分我們就來協助溝通聯繫五個省份啦,大概不會少數啦,不過反正案子真的是個案,我們截至目前為止都蠻順利的就用專案去幫忙啦,好不好?抱歉抱歉,因為時間拖太久了,不好意思我用兩分鐘,主席兩分鐘你先請我好不好,我請那個中選會主委不好意思喔,謝謝因為這問題蠻嚴重,我請問一下 |
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這次2024年總統大選的時候,有出現一個屏東縣中正國小146投開票手我們看一下這個畫面,這個你應該都有看過那個錄影帶他們就是在懷疑或者是在質疑說這個紙箱 |
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所以他希望你怎麼折,你後來一定有折起來的地方,也有夾層嘛那他這個是拍到說折層的,有些那個選票掉出來嘛那我們來解決這個問題,好不好我們來解決這個問題,現在有人都提出來說你紙箱一定有折痕啊,那你能不能做一個底面是透明壓克力板的 |
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是不是能夠解決問題這個選務的這個相關的設備器具 應用物品有這樣子的問題而引起社會的議論或者甚至於所謂的恐慌 我覺得很不值得就對了 |
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所以我積極在進行研究怎麼樣能夠去除這樣子的一個疑慮當然委員所建議的這個我們也會列入考慮我們會積極的去研究如何能夠讓老百姓這個投票人他們完全有信心 |
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很有可能會這樣做對不對可能的方式我們都不排除中選會公正性專業性一定要被肯定這個是你的重責大任對不對我再給你看一下你看這個開票2024年開票的時候雲林東名村你看這個開票綠色的是賴清德的 |
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跟這個政黨票右邊這藍色是國民黨的侯友宜左邊這是柯文哲的總統票跟政黨票你們發現落差太大了雲林的東明村新北市的這個井南里賴清德的政黨票跟民進跟民進的政黨票都很近對不對國民黨侯友宜跟國民黨的政黨票很近可是你看那個那邊柯文哲154票政黨票才開了10票 |
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然後井南里277票 政黨票才開30我再繼續給你看喔花蓮啊仁里村也是這種狀況柯匯澤開202票 政黨票竟然只有一票可是你看賴清德跟侯友宜的跟政黨票都是一致的右邊這個桃園市的果林里也是這種狀況 |
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我覺得這個落差太大了我們發現如果有異常狀況的話都會要求主任管理員他再要double check一定要做再重新一次的來做確認而且這個確認有三道手續有三道關卡的確認所以作為醫療行政總控就是應該在很快的時間內要再清查一次嗎那當然那今天我做個簡單的結論你剛剛講的我剛剛講 |
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公正性 被信任非常重要這應該是你的重責大任嘛所以剛剛講那個紙箱那個一定要趕快好好去討論好不好我剛剛講那個底部用壓克力板透明的這是非常多人我們想辦法來克服好不好 今天往這個方向來走好 謝謝委員好 謝謝登記發言委員 |