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今天最主要討論請各位黨團幹部來就是要討論我們協商第二會期開議日以及邀請行政院院長進行施政報告並備質詢請 |
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各黨團來依序發表大家寶貴的意見請 |
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林斯銘副院長、黨團幹部。依照過去,我們的開議日期都是在中秋節過後。中秋節昨天已經過了,所以今天的協商,我們也希望趕快進出來開會。所以我們是想說在9月20日星期五就來開議。 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團 |
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沒有問題我們的立場向來就是盡快開議今天18號最快就20號所以我想這個對臺灣民眾黨團來講沒有問題那只不過說在進行的順序上面因為各個委員會各個委員會應該最快是下禮拜三吧才會去選召委所以我們希望針對20號開議23號禮拜一 |
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9月23日禮拜二 |
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邀請行政院院長率統相關部會首長針對賴清德政府能源政策配比及電價政策先進行專案報告因為這個事情攸關非常多臺灣人民目前現在的生活十月份的電價看起來又是蠢蠢欲動 |
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目前針對有關於賴清德政府在整個能源政策上面相關的推動社會上面大家不僅有非常多的質疑也非常多的關切這件事情到目前為止整個卓榮泰內閣說不清楚也講不明白因此我們希望下禮拜一的時候 |
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能夠邀請所動派院長率相關部會首長列席提出專案報告並備質詢正式開始總質詢的時間如果考量到 |
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禮拜五的時候可能還有一些報告事項跟討論事項我們要依序處理可能會延到下午那是不是也可以考慮說等到下個禮拜二再正式的 |
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邀請行政院院長、率各部會首長列席進行施政報告並對諮詢。這個是針對有關於我們這一次黨團協商協商的標的除了開議日期以外還有議事日程草案可能要做一些討論那台灣民眾黨黨團所提出來的立場以上說明 |
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謝謝黃國昌總召的說明,現在黃國昌總召的意思就是說20號開議,台灣民眾黨支持,跟國民黨的想法是一致的。23、24另外一次會議,等一下我們聽其他黨團的意見好不好? |
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簡言之,就是20號開議這是同意的。好,請吳思瑤幹事長請發言。好,謝謝院長。好,大家辛苦了。那,我想我們民進黨團也支持20號就是來開議。大家對這個日期應當是都可以接受。那20號尋往例,過去就是施政總質詢都是在開議日來進行。所以希望如同剛剛斯明書記長也是說,我們20號就是很順利的來進行施政總報告。 |
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過去的慣例是什麼?過去20號就是開議日進行施政總諮詢,然後接著下一次的會議日 |
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下週五應當進行總預算的詢答這個會期因為有三個預算案要進行所以也請求我們是不是也能夠把這個時程上有一個默契所以民進黨團希望說20號開議進行施政總質詢然後在下一週在第二次的會議就是進行這都是如往例沒有特例 |
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施政總預算的質詢來進行至於剛剛黃國昌總召提到的專案報告我想是因為這一次這個年度三大預算案當中就有一個是臺電1000億的追加減所以針對追加減的預算是不是就並如果有對於能源政策或是電價調整的部分有什麼樣的意見那可以在同樣一個主題 |
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與最佳檢預算一起進行。﹖有關於電價政策, |
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上個會期在三黨共同努力之下是三黨共同提案針對電業法49條完成修正而電業法49條修正是 |
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擴大民間代表以及專家學者代表要超過二分之一而且同步也強化了這個定價審議委員會的公正公平公開透明的機制這個是三黨上個會期末49條定業法的修正而後呢其實也有個附帶決議就是民眾黨團當時所提的要求定價審議委員會的會議記錄呢要在 |
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兩週內公告比照央行公開發言紀要來維持公開透明之原則而這些作為經濟部臺電也都已經依著立法院的修正跟要求他們的電價費率審議會設置及運作要點也都因應的做了相關的調整那委員的名單 |
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也依各黨團的要求做了調整那為什麼上會期我們針對電業法49條可以朝野三黨有共識促成審議會的改革增加公開透明以及民間參與專業導入目的就是讓電價的調整這件事情回到專業而不是政治所以說如果依這樣的邏輯來講電價 |
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主席 |
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馬上,這次比較不好意思,這一開議,那是不是又有把這個政治性的議題跟電價的調升又放在一起,我覺得這樣可能不是太好啦,所以我們是做這樣的建議,但是如果要這樣的專案報告,我們可以安排大家有共識的話,那是不是能夠跟台電一千億的追加減預算就併在一起,這樣主題相符,然後 |
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對話可以更聚焦,那在時間的調配上也更為妥適合宜。有請院長來採視。 |
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臺灣民眾黨希望 |
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能夠開議之後23、24直接加開一個院會然後來做行政院院長的施政報告放在下星期二但是國民黨跟民進黨團是希望20號開議之後我們就開始來進行行政院長施政報告這是有一點不太一樣所以我來念念看這樣如果大家同意的話我們先來確定20號開議就是我們今天這個初步結論各黨團共識原則上20號開議循例勒進行行政院院長施政報告這是第一條 |
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謝謝院長,我想要先確定一下 |
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開議日20號開議再說明一次臺灣民眾黨支持我們早就主張要及早開議今天18號最近的日期就是20號那當然就是20號 |
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那第二個部分是針對有關於開議以後議事日程的草案是不是今天協商的標的如果不是今天協商的標的或今天協商沒有共識的話我們是不是要在20號之前還是要20號當天針對有關於議事日程的草案來進行表決因為台灣民眾黨有台灣民眾黨的議事日程的草案嘛 |
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那針對要請行政院院長來報告他的能源配比跟電價的政策跟上個會期修電業法的電價審議有外部機制參與 |
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根本完全沒有衝突在邏輯上面根本是兩個層次不一樣的問題但我也不想要在今天一開始的第一次黨團協商針對兩個明明是層次不一樣的問題在這邊繼續鬧得大家好像情緒都不好各黨團有各黨團的立場台灣民眾黨團的立場就是這個樣子 |
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理由我們也跟社會做了說明。其他黨團如果認為沒有必要,或是要另外併,那我也尊重其他黨團對他們立場的表達。但我現在比較關心的事情是說,除了開議日之外,議事日程的草案, |
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韓國昌總 |
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副幹事長 |
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20號開議的部分我想大家其實有共識我其實剛剛也把民眾黨單現在希望能夠針對能源配比然後跟電價偵測的事情其實確實現在社會上面是對這事情是有關注的大家也想多知道一點所以我們的想法很簡單確實這個部分行政院是可以多做說明跟報告但因為這件事情本身它其實是 |
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一體兩面的東西,跟目前台電希望提出來追加減預算一千億的事情,其實這是一體兩面的事情。簡單來說,這就是一個台電財務跟電價政策跟機制的問題。我想了解能源政策都知道,這其實就是同一回事。 |
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電價怎麼定當然確實就是會跟能源配比有關係所以我們的提議我們不是說不該報告這件事情不是說要閃避能源配比或者是電價政策報告而是我們接下來就是要來針對臺電的追加減預算的1000億這是一體兩面的事情就一併的併起來報告那如果要要求行政院 |
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針對能源配比的部分多做說明,我們也同意。 |
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林斯銘委員 |
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委員長我想提出一個折衷的方案就是說9月20來開議然後行政院長來做這個施政報告那我們進行總諮詢這一點這個原則上我想三黨都是意見一致的那至於說民眾黨這邊是說要對這個電價配比以及這個電價調整請院長來做這個專案報告我想基本上我們認為這是有必要的 |
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修法與院長的施政意見與台電一千億的撥補 |
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都需要院長來做說明的而不是由經濟部長來做報告到時候來預算的時候做說明所以我想院長來做專報絕對是有他的必要性跟民眾來說明白所以我們覺得這個在星期一下週一如果加開一次這個院會請行政院長來做專報我是提議這個是我是支持的 |
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我們看到了這邊與你的協商結論那有兩點那第一點就是同意9月20來開議 |
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920行政院院長施政報告920行政院院長施政報告 |
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施政報告的安排一般議程我們就讓程序委員會去處理嘛否則現在放這個我會覺得就是一個空白的沒有辦法明確知道說欸那個草案是什麼草案所以如果三黨都有共識週五就是總諮詢過去的往例第一次院會就是總諮詢那就是很清楚 |
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五二就是總質詢這是第一件事所以我對於這個最後一句話是有疑義的這個議事日程議案怎麼排就走程序委員會的程序那第二件事情是要安排專案報告各黨大家可以來磋商那磋商的包括主題跟時間那主題的部分民眾黨提出的能源政策跟台電的電價政策等等 |
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是可以進行,但是何妨就跟三大預算案的追加減台電的一千億一起進行,因為就如同剛剛我們副幹事長洪聖翰說的,這是一個政策的一體兩面。然後我要補充,三大預算案包括台電一千億要跟司民書記長報告,也是院長領銜。 |
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跟主題相關的專案報告並在一起這就效率上、專業上、時間的分配上都非常合宜所以如果在議員黨希望能夠有這個專報那就跟追加減以前已放在一起因為一起講一個主題 |
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時間點下週一就等於是加開院會大家要同意一開議這好像又回到上個會期就是有在野黨又要加開院會一個會期剛開始會期有很多的時間可以邀請院長、部會首長來那如果又要再增加就在週一 |
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我們連那個召委都是要有作業的時間要三天嘛所以才會是25號下週三選舉嘛那現在週一又要加開院會一開議我好像要回到上個會期的那個輪迴有這樣子的急迫到一定要下週一就加開院會嘛 |
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中央報告跟追加減一千億我想合在一起這是非常合宜的所以就這個議題是一個主題這是民進黨團的主張就時間點上我們認為我們再次說920施政報告然後再下一次927當天就進行總預算的報告同樣都是卓院長率領內閣部會首長然後台電的追加減一千億plus民眾黨提出來的專報告可以再排一次會 |
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請黃國昌總召請繼續發言 |
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謝謝院長,就針對預擬的這個決定事項一的部分因為這個第一點的部分看起來就只有五二嘛我們剛剛所提的建議是因為下禮拜一沒有任何委員會要進行不會干擾到任何委員會的進行第二個這個暑假其實也過得蠻長的 |
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第三個,能源政策跟電價政策,這本來就是行政部門每天都在做要準備好的事情啊。你總不可能說好像這是一個什麼新的題目,奇怪的題目,今天突然提出來的題目,沒有啊。從這一屆國會開始,全體國人就關心這件事吧。 |
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我想對於行政院來講、經濟部部長來講、國發會主委、臺電董事長相關的人,在這件事情,我想我對他們很有信心,準備很充分,因為這他們的工作,每天都在做的工作,全體國人最關心的事情,負責任的說清楚講明白,我覺得這是回應全體國人的期待。那也因此這個部分,就是說, |
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我們開議的日期我們同意但議事日程到底要怎麼進行這件事情因為這是一個協商的機制每一個黨團有每一個黨團的立場我們都尊重那如果各個黨團彼此之間的立場不一樣的話那我們就 |
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針對各自所提出來的議事日程到院會裡面透過民主程序來加以解決這個是我相信應該是在國會審議民主的ABC不需要再多做說明那因此針對第一點的部分因為沒有辦法涵蓋我們希望第一次的院會是禮拜五禮拜一禮拜二的一次會這樣子的 |
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委員．文章 |
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但沒有道理說沒有進行這個民主程序就要求我們接受某一個特定的政黨的黨團他們所提出來的主張那這個恐怕台灣民眾黨黨團這樣子對於這樣文字的預擬希望院長能夠再斟酌斟酌那個空間就是說920開議這件事情我再度重申我們支持沒有問題 |
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但議事日程草案的這件事情,各個黨團有不一樣的看法。那既然有不一樣的看法,我們就按照立法院職權刑事法議事規則相關的規定,我們就照程序走。以上。好,請吳世耀幹事長再讀發言,請。謝謝院長。我想要再確認一下, |
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我先講基本立場,簡單的是簡單處理,不用一開議把簡單的議程的安排複雜化的處理,真的沒必要。開議日就進行總諮詢,從以前到現在就是如此。 |
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要增加專報可以可是剛剛黃國昌總召一直沒有辦法回應說他同不同意把主題相關的臺電1000億的追加減預算跟專案報告綁在一起因為兩個合在一起是有意義的因為它是一個政策的一體兩面如果你要討論電價政策要如何調那不得不去一同的探討 |
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在野黨,民眾黨對於台電撥補一千億認為合理不合理,可能覺得撥太多,可能覺得補太少,因為這都會跟電價的升、漲或是漲幅都會有相關,所以這個問題一直沒有聽到民眾黨代表的意見。我說簡單的事情簡單處理,專業的事情專業處理,這樣更有效能,更能聚焦。 |
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所以我再次強調如果要有這個能源政策跟電價政策的專報那應當就是要跟台電追加減的1000億預算在一起進行因為來報告的都是卓榮泰院長率內閣團隊一起那第二件事情我剛剛也越聽越灰就是我說的簡單的事情有人就偏偏要給他搞複雜搞得自己最認真剛剛 |
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民眾黨又提到說五一二一次會因為我本來的理解是禮拜一是加開院會我不知道怎麼排現在呢民眾黨的代表說五一二變成一次會然後又要有這個專報所以可能變成什麼如果民眾黨的說法五一二一次會然後要專報然後議事日程要循民主程序處理那可能變成院長禮拜五一開始就是專報不是總執行喔 |
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因為剛剛他的說法是這樣所以我覺得很奇怪啊簡單的事情為什麼要複雜處理呢禮拜五就是開議就是總質詢對不對然後五二一次會嘛那如果要再加開一次會那就不是五一二一次會那是加開OK那加開的主題是不是回到我說的追加減一千億跟 |
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跟專報在一起這樣討論才有意義才聚焦要不然你講了一次專報完再來排一次臺電一千億追加減同樣主題的事情簡單的事情就清楚明瞭簡單處理清楚處理切中要害不用這樣彎來彎去轉來轉去 |
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所以我不太清楚他們512又要一次會然後又要用專報那是用專報取代總諮詢嗎? |
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盧貢 盧輝謝謝施堯幹事長 接下來請林思明幹事長是 院長 我想這個民進黨的施堯可能真的沒有聽清楚我剛才講的對 當然民眾黨的意見是這樣當然我剛才講說我們一個折衷的方式所以我說禮拜一加開院會就處理這個專報這件事至於您剛才一直提說這個我們星期五會有預算的一個專報 |
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預算1千億是有關台電撥補的議題跟我們現在講的電價配比的政策跟電價調整我個人認為這個是不一樣你那個限縮債你那個電價台電要撥補1千億給他這件事預算要去撥補跟我們現在聚焦的專報是有關於電的配比 |
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執政團隊,你的意見,跟所謂的電價調整的這個議題,請院長跟我們的全國人民講清楚說明白。這不一樣啦,預算歸預算啦,這種有關於這個政策面的問題,我想院長,行政院長確實有來說清楚講明白的必要。以上,謝謝。 |
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其實我說實話,我們剛剛在聽各黨的相關的意見,我自己認為其實差異沒有很大。我認為差異沒有很大。那剛剛市民委員在講的問題,我其實做一個簡短的說明。其實如果要談這個台電的追加減1000億的預算的問題,其實當然後面的問題就是台電的財務問題。 |
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臺電的財務就是成本跟支出,成本跟支出當然是跟能源政策的配比有高度的相關嘛,這我想國民黨也知道,這個其實之前民眾黨已經講很多了,我們之前每次在談到電價政策的時候,民眾黨的張綺凱委員都會說,那你先交代配比問題,其實 |
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電價的問題跟配比跟你的支出這當然是同一件事所以我說這是一個議題兩面的事情所以談台電的追加減預算當然不是只是談說這個一千億怎麼樣的問題為什麼要編列一千億這當然是台電的財務問題到底是長什麼樣財務問題後面你的成本跟支出當然是來自於配比所以我剛才覺得這個討論是很好的 |
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為何要追加減1000億的事情,當然可能是因為現在配比的限制,可能是因為我們電價目前政策跟機制的問題,這是一個完整的政策內容 |
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我猜想 |
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黃國昌總召之所以想要在禮拜一的時候加開也許也希望說這個多一點他可能有他自己在議事排程上面的想法可是我們也覺得沒有必要讓明明是同一件事情非得要分開變成是兩個報告這其實對於議事的效率來說其實也是一個浪費所以剛剛我覺得大家的很多的想法我認為差異並不大 |
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只是現在我們怎麼讓一個該完整的主題就讓它完整假設要行政院報告的更完整甚至大家想要他特別針對配比的問題多做說明民進黨團也不反對 |
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荣我﹗ |
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規納各位黨團幹部剛才主要的發言,我嘗試性把它規納一下,大家聽聽看,有意見我們再來說。一,我們今天協商,現在做個初步結論,各黨團共事原則上20號開議,循例進行行政院院長施政報告。 |
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2.今天協商的題目是開議日,我們是不是先針對開議日,我們等一下請大家先簽同意協商的結論。協商的結論的草稿,我也請議事委員再送行各位黨邊來參考一下。至於3.剛才大家所提出行政院專案報告還有加開院會等事宜,我們可以在第一次院會用議程草案送院會處理。 |
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第二部分,如果各位同意的話,我們還是循慣例。我們9月20日開議舉行第11屆第二會及第一次會議,每週五及次週二視為一次院會。國事論壇及臨時提案以原往例處理,每個禮拜五上午9點至10點為國事論壇時間。 |
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下午1點50分至2點半處理臨時提案。第一次會議亦是日程以草案進送院會處理。有關23號星期一加開院會處理相關專案事宜,並同第一次會議議程草案,亦黨團提出進行處理。 |
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9月20日,邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備詢。報告後,隨即進行政黨質詢。當天質詢人數一樣依慣例,國民黨團推派3員。 |
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民進黨黨團推派3員,臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1員,我們進行諮詢的順序一,國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行。有關諮詢期間之順序及人數,均依例授權我們議事處來辦理。 |
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當次會議我們不處理臨時提案各位黨團幹部現在已經發到各位的手上如果同意我們就開始進行草野協商我們來簽字我們來確定今天草野協商達到我們預定要召開會議的目標請大家參考 |
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吳思瑤幹事長,請發言現在發的是新的協商結論這個有點墜語第一點的最後方第一次會議議事日程以草案禁送院會處理有關23日星期一加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜並同第一次會議議程草案 |
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一黨團提出進行處理。 |
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有關920當天提醒院裡議程安排 |
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因為那天,因為921的災防日,當天禮拜六,所以會在920當天會有這個演習。那我們跟這個行政部門的瞭解,行政院是有來表達說,會在9點21分那個前後,會有需要全員就地掩護的這些演練。 |
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所以在那個時間點也就是9點到10點間的那個會議的起氣的時間是請議事組這邊 院長這邊可能要考量一下對 早上9點21分的那個時候那因為這個是全員都要所以就是看就要尊重對 這個我是要提醒就是這個議程要 |
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第二件事情是我們是希望能夠院長是不是一併可以在今天能夠來處理就是依往例第二次會議就是總質詢的 |
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總預算院長率部會來報告,是否把924定為總預算的報告也把其成列下來?927是下週五第二次會議,往例也是這樣,是不是一併可以落在今天的協商共識裡頭來處理? |
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有關於預算案處理的時程,都是由院會來定期邀請。那過去15上,針對預算案何時要邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部門來,是透過協商的方式來進行處理。 |
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今天是開議日的協商,如果大家願意當然是可以針對總預算來進行後續的協商。 |
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我們休息五分鐘 |
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好,謝謝,麻煩請各位黨團幹部請就座。那麼接下來,吳世耀幹事長,你請發言。你要發言,請。我們請吳世耀幹事長發言完畢以後,本主席就要進行處理了。好,謝謝。好,依據這個院長與你的協商結論兩點。那第二點很清楚的是92010點開始開會。 |
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當天不處理臨時提案,不進行國事論壇,因為避開921防災時刻。也明訂了當天的行政院率各部會首長進行施政報告,並被質詢,各黨人數331。 |
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尋往歷來進行 |
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因為您剛剛已經加列了這一句話,就第一次會議議事日程以草案進送院會處理,其實就含括了你後面那一句話,23號星期一是否加開院會處理專報的這個東西,其實就可以並同第一次會議議事日程草案以黨團進行處理,這個是不是商量一下最後那一句話有沒有必要放這樣子? |
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王國昌議員 |
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幹事長認為意思是一樣的話那我相信也沒有反對的意思嘛既然沒有反對的意思的話台灣民眾黨黨團的立場是第一點後面的那兩句話我們希望還是把它加上去比較明確一點那既然認為意思是一樣既然認為意思是一樣就沒有反對的意思嘛那你如果覺得這個是罪語那就請容許台灣民眾黨黨團希望堅持的要求把這兩個罪語也放進去禮拜五處理的時候會比較明確以上 |
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我們現在國民黨副坤吉總統第一次發言請這個院長辛苦啊第一次召集朝野協商大家都姍姍來遲不過還是第一個到的跟你長相左右中秋節剛過我想今天願人圓團圓我們大家今天協商還是氣氛好一點我想民眾黨要求 |
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23日禮拜一來做一個能源配比的一個專案報告我想這個是民眾非常期待的一個事情因為可能10月份地要漲電價那要讓人民有知的權利國會就是正在做這些事情20日開議是大家都已經有共識 |
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既然20號開議跟24號的一次院會,除了20號邀請卓榮泰院長做一個施政報告,接下來施政總諮詢。既然是20號跟24號都順利的來開會,我想今天大家可能沒有注意到一件事情。 |
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就是到目前為止我們的協商都沒有感覺要杯葛隔盔上台的議事我想這對執政黨來講是一個非常好的一個訊息大家都希望說我們盡快來進行所有的議事內容那既然23號是多出來的一天目前沒有任何議程如果加開一個專報事實上對整個立法院的整個議程裡面 |
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李卓人議員 |
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主席 |
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副總召的講法,副總剛剛講了一句話其實我們也是有同感副總剛剛說 |
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這個大家都很在意能源政策配比的問題那尤其是大家也關心說這個到底是什麼為什麼是什麼樣的能源政策那接下來為什麼還要再來撥補這個追加預算其實傅永刀這個講法其實也就是讓大家知道其實 |
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最佳檢台電的預算就跟能源配比還有電價政策這是一個同一個完整的政策所以我剛才說副總召剛才其實講的講法也跟我們的想法其實差不多所以這也是為什麼我們會覺得如果要做專案報告的話其實就讓台電的最佳檢預算跟民眾黨提的能源配比 |
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黃國昌議員黃國昌議員 |
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如果23號禮拜一加開院會這當然我們知道清楚知道這是民眾黨黨團的期待嗎這是他的期待其實這個內容當然也可以並在第一次院會的時候一併處理這我們大家都知道這個這大家都知道實質的意思可是如果每個黨團要把自己的期待明明是可以並進最後那句話其他都放上去的話那民進黨團我是不是也可以把我們的期待我也要求要寫上去 |
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反正我也是反正只要並同第一次會議議程草案其實意思都差不多所以大家就可以開始無限的把自己的期待都要寫在上面囉因為都是可以在第一次的議程草案裡面來處理嘛對不對其實實質的意思差不多所以我們反而是覺得說假設我也順著剛剛黃總道的意思我們把事情明確化簡單化其實反而如果要明確化簡單化的話反而其實不一定要把這個大家自己或甚至 |
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一黨團提出進行處理 |
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23日星期一加開院會處理相關 |
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預算案暨專案報告事宜並同第一次會議議程草案因為我也很明確我們要公平嘛我意思說要有這個專報就是跟追加減預算一起進行才合宜才聚焦那如果這樣的話我們的期待是就文字上處理而已啊院會處理相關預算案暨專案報告事宜這樣好不好大家的期待都放在裡面 |
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就是相關預算案,對,相關預算,追加減預算也是相關,就是處理相關預算案寄專報告事宜,這樣好不好?這是因為這樣就是,因為也表達了我們剛剛的意見,也能夠被並同一起來處置,但最終都會回到第一次會議議事日程以草案送院會處理 |
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這樣比較合理,彼此的期待這樣就更精準一點,但是能不能夠進行一樣禮拜五的議事日程來處理。所以我方,民進黨團就是剛剛一直在講的,相關預算案寄專案報告。這樣合理啦,你的期待我的期待,大家都能夠一併來公平的對待。 |
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文字敘述書處理相關專案報告並沒有講說相關專案是什麼所以你的預算也是包含在這個相關專案裡面 |
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所以你又要把預算再把它寫清楚,這不是罪文嗎?這原本就包含了所以這就凸顯了一句事情,這是罪文,OK?就有人一定要放我的解讀這不是罪文,這是有意義的你剛剛講前一句話是罪文,現在不是罪文我沒有講是罪文,我說如果你認為是罪文那為什麼不把它加進去好了沒關係,您的理解跟我一樣就好了因為這個是第一次會議 |
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的議事日程以草案競送院會處理,但是我們現在一直提到一件事,23號要不要加開院會,加開院會去處理相關專案報告的事情,這是我們這個三黨在這個協商過程中講的是一件事,原本我們希望說直接就協商就把它完成嘛, |
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主席主席主席 |
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好,謝謝我們院長。因為我們黨團協商,我覺得黨團協商每個人都可以有一件。每一個人要放進來才是達成共識嘛。不能說你的罪羽也可以放,我的罪羽也可以放,這個不是協商的理論啦。 |
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所以我覺得我都聽不下去了所以每一個人都有修改文字的權利看要不要放,同意就放,不同意就不放不要用這樣子的語言來去講,我覺得不是因為討論都是三黨來去決議要放哪一個,要修哪一個 |
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麥義貞委員 |
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請紅委員,請再一次發言剛剛麥委員講的我們都很同意麥委員前面說這個黨團協商每個人的意見都可以被提出都可以被放入嘛,剛剛麥委員前面講所以麥委員的邏輯很可愛啦那所以我們也是覺得說如果大家每個黨團的意見都有意見表達的權利也都可以爭取放入的權利的話 |
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那就像剛剛說民眾黨團爭取想要放入他們期待的事情即便最後的這個議程的處理沒有差別那我們的意思是說那民眾黨團可以放那我們是不是也可以爭取我們放我們的期待其實我們的邏輯其實是一個等價的邏輯所以我剛剛說蔓圓剛剛講的這個發言的邏輯我是覺得很可愛那某些部分我們也覺得很好所以我順著你的話講這樣子 |
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只有說他發言可愛,沒有說他長得可愛沒有沒有沒有那個我想如果說這大家再思考看看如果說在野良黨都很期待在23號週一就有一個專報的話因為現在是放在協商結論就等於未確定就週五議程再處理啦那如果 |
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我們就覺得如果你要進行就很明確如果你要把時間定下來專案報告就跟追加減預算一起來那這樣也不用有週五議程未確定的問題就直接在23號週一直接進行台電1000億的追加預算及相關能源政策及電價的政策的專案報告因為 |
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委員會主席 |
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讓行政部門可以很完整的針對臺電的追加減預算到底一千億合宜不合宜在野可以監督然後呢因應著有個追加減預算在那裡那電價的調漲調降又在什麼樣的range是合宜的這個真的是一體兩面你沒有辦法切割啦所以如果這個在野黨這麼覺得週一想做 |
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時間定下來,可以討論,這個大家磋商一下,可是真的不要把完整的政策一分為二,這樣討論不能全面。所以是我剛剛就是說,我期待的,我們期待的,其實就是說,那不是期待,那是合理性的問題啊。本來台電追加減預算跟電價政策本來就是一個, |
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政策為什麼要切兩次這不是只有期待問題是合理性跟專業性的問題那把它併在一起923如果能夠確定兩個併在一起那923就定OK啊就不用議程位確定嘛 |
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大家互相補充 |
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這是您最終立場嗎?就是您確定的? |
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黃國昌總召請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
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謝謝院長,我想麥毓貞委員他的發言很清楚的表達黨團的立場至於其他黨團的代表要用可愛來形容,也謝謝他們的稱讚比較可愛的形容詞,應該或許是有的時候 |
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我比較客氣的發言對方聽不懂客氣的意涵順著客氣的意涵往上攀那如果是這樣的話我就把話再講得更明確一點剛剛院長所講的決定事項的第一點後面的那兩句話台灣民眾黨黨團認為不是最有放進去的必要我們堅持放入 |
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第二,要把兩個不同層次的問題,所謂兩個不同層次的問題,能源配比跟電價政策,以及到底我們要不要撥補追加一千億的預算。台灣民眾黨黨團認為這是兩個完全不同層次的事情。 |
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至於說民進黨黨團認為這是同一件事情我們尊重他們的看法但我們不同意我們認為這是兩個不同層次的問題必須要切開來處理那第三個部分剛剛院長所處理的事項 |
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主席 |
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各位黨團幹部我想大家請稍微沉靜一下我還是一樣我把今天協商結論兩個重點跟大家報告一下請大家務必要心平氣和來聽聽看現在國民黨團台灣民眾黨團都已經簽了現在民進黨還沒有簽但是我把這個協商結論再念一遍 |
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民進黨堅持的話,那我們就今天宣布抄寫章就破裂了。但我再念一遍,我希望民進黨再來仔細請聽一下。聽一下。 |
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質詢期間,週二下午1點50分至2點30分處理臨時提案。第一次會議議事日程以草案進送院會處理,有關23日星期一加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜,並同第一次會議議程草案,依黨團提出進行處理。 |
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9月20日星期五上午10點開會,進行相關議程並邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備諮詢。 |
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報告後隨即進行政黨諮詢。當天諮詢人數由國民黨黨團推派3位、民進黨黨團推派3位、臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1位進行。諮詢順序一國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行。有關諮詢期間之順序及人數 |
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均依例授權議事處辦理,當次會議不處理臨時提案,並不進行國事論壇。好,吳事由委員,請最後一次發言請。那院長,沒有,我們的建議都沒有被落在文字中。927就第二次會來進行總預算的詢答。 |
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對阿 第二次會因為這個總預算的詢答就是要朝野協商來處理嘛那不用大家都在這裡 |
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兩黨有反對927進行總預算的詢答嗎?應該沒有嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
委員會主席 |
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6249.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
謝謝吳斯堯委員發言,我們請高處長再補充一下,再說明一下 |
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主席 |
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吳士堯幹事長的發言,我再徵詢一下國民黨跟臺灣民眾黨針對927審查預算案,大家有沒有寶貴一點,請,不用客氣。議長,我想今天就是討論開議日,那我們在這個就是第一點的後段文字裡面,如果說,民進黨團你的期待是希望27號要去處理預算案的專案報告,對,三個預算,但是我們講,這個就是你可以在我們這個,今天的 |
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總預算的尋答不是專案報告跟這個第一點最後一項的專案報告是完全不同的事情 |
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臺灣民眾黨團要不要針對27號這個請表達意見好嗎?這個不在今天協商的範圍當中那特別跟吳世堯幹事長報告一下國民黨團跟臺灣民眾黨已經表達意見27號這個他們不在討論範圍沒有23號在討論範圍嗎? |
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23號也不在協商範圍內啊?協商就是大家討論,沒有,這個會期有三個預算案要詢答一個是總預算,一個是台電追加減,一個是前瞻 |
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完全尊重吳思耀幹事長的發言那洪委員如果是意見一致的話沒關係我完全尊重吳思耀幹事長的發言請洪委員請剛剛如果大家是要說不在今天討論範圍那23號為什麼在今天討論這個我們今天討論的主題範圍內如果要用說不在今天主題範圍內就不要討論的話那23號也不在啊 |
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明天﹖ |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
各黨團我們明天準備開談話會,那我們現在就散會。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
立法院議員 |
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聯合聲明請我們韓院長也不理會不處理然後藍白的兩個黨編資料都已經發到桌上了但是都視而不見欸院長沒有這樣啊我們的臨時動議還沒有處理就宣告散會欸這麼害怕聯合國2758號決議用聯合聲明的方式來處理嗎那我們要非常清楚的跟 |
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所有的國人報告民進黨團有正式提出一份立法院朝野黨團的共同聲明我們希望重生我們共同的國會的立場促成朝野一起來推動也就是堅決反對中國扭曲聯合國大會2758號決議阻撓台灣參與聯合國體系等國際組織以及剝奪台灣2300萬人參與國際社會之權益 |
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第二點,我們認為臺灣的國會要有立場,中國應立即停止對聯合國大會2758號決議及所屬一中原則掛鉤,破壞臺海和平穩定現狀,印太地區之安全繁榮及以規則為基礎之國際秩序。 |
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第三點,希望有一個聯合聲明是,呼籲聯合國需積極落實聯合國憲章接駐之普遍性原則,以及不遺漏任何人 之承諾,儘速接納台灣之完整參與。 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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要求以臨時動議來跟各黨對話,連被討論的機會都沒有。民進黨團也不一定能夠達到三黨都同意來做這個聯合聲明,但是不能夠在朝野協商中我們的議程上的賦予的權利,我們臨時動議也被沒收。被沒收了這件事情讓我們覺得非常的遺憾。 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-18T10:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：研商「第11屆第2會期開議日」相關事宜。） |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:59 - 11:50:00 |
| IVOD_ID |
16121 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16121 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024091146 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-18T09:59:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-18T11:50:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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