| IVOD_ID |
161115 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161115 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T12:26:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T12:33:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1f34f5673247327e3e0059966c803d0e9567847e18f9cb587555062629d9f47525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:26:05 - 12:33:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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好 總裁好 王委員早剛才齁 我們陳宇峥委員代理那個召委主席之後 讓他坐回來他說 這個楊金龍總裁實在很不善於說謊他說只要你一涉及到說謊 就結結巴巴 |
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包含在記者會還有包括剛才我們市民委員說有沒有楊金龍防線總裁竟然說有沒有澎南華防線所以總裁我覺得 |
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我們還是應該要為所當為 言所當言總裁今天討論到國家主權基金我看到央行的報告裡面在最後的部分這個就重點了意思說央行對於成立主權基金是持正向態度但是 |
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不能由外匯存底直接無償撥用所以這個是我們中央銀行的態度這個部分我是肯定的也希望我們總裁能夠守住央行防線主權基金當然不能由外匯存底直接的來撥用 |
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最近我們面對美國的貿易戰經濟部長郭志輝說未來十年我們要投資美國兩千億美元我很擔心這個會不會跟主權基金會有任何的相關聯 |
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然後呢這兩千億美元我們很多人都在問啊兩千億美元錢從哪裡來我們擔心有人動腦筋動到了我們的外匯存底的身上所以總裁在這邊可不可以給我們一個承諾第一 |
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主權基金不要由外匯存底直接無償撥用這個是報告第二未來如果有兩千億美元要去投資美國解決有關於美國的貿易戰也不能動用外匯存底 |
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總裁可不可以做出這樣的承諾那當然啊就是說那個主權基金我們就是說無償不能無償多用嘛那另外你就說是就是說要投資美國兩千億的這個嘛那當然就不可能啊不能夠直接拿外匯存你絕對是多的不然的話這個大家都隨便喊價嘛兩千億變三千億反正我們有五千八百億可以用另外總裁請問一下我們持有美國 |
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美債到底是多少因為上一次在講就是說是佔的比重有多少我要這個數字金額多少有沒有三千億如果說是公債的話如果說我們純粹就公債的話沒有三千億 |
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純粹就公債的話 美債的話那就又包 因為我們有一些的我們有一些的那個我們有一些的那個債券呢他不是公債的而是另外的 譬如說我舉一個例子我們也有持有BIS他的一個發行的債券那是以美元做計價的 |
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那這個就不是這個就不是公債啦就不是美國的公債啊所以我就說如果嚴格來定義的話呢我們持有美國公債的話呢是應該就是低於三千億以下那大概多少低於三千億是多少這個我私下再說這是根據美國財政部的這個他的這個資料來源是到今年的年初我們是持有美國政府公債 |
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前第11名金額2900億美元這個數字對的但是我跟委員報告我要澄清一點這個數據是包括中央銀行跟民間部門的所以也不是說這個2900多億美元我就中央銀行的部分來請教總裁因為其實現在很多人都在關心也就是擔心一件事情 |
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就是所謂的海湖莊嚴協議這裡面提及到就是要讓外國投資美國債券的可以轉換成百年長期債券甚至是零利率所以我想請問中央銀行我現在不管民間的中央銀行所持有的美國政府公債 |
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當到期的時候如果他把轉換成非常長期比如說百年長期債券尤其現在提出所謂的零利率債券央行會不會斷然拒絕我跟委員報告就是說這個議題呢我們基本上我們在我們在我們新聞稿裡面呢我們講了好幾次了沒有這個議題這個是就市場的傳聞這個是這個是他這個 |
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當有這個議題的時候當美國提出來的時候我們會不會斷然拒絕把我們持有的美國債券轉換成這樣百年長期債券我跟委員就是說我答覆的因為委員這是假設性的議題假設性的議題我覺得我也不便在這邊回答這是第一點 |
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我們又緊張了你跟卓榮泰院長一樣啊不不不我總覺得就是說我們會密切注意因為事實上所以我以前我才會很因為我就不佔據時間因為今天關心匯率還關心美債我們委員非常多 |
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不過這樣的話我就來考慮來研究一下那也歡迎大家提供給我意見我們看怎麼樣用從法規的面向去阻止未來有可能的發生 |
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謝謝委員對這個議題的關心所以總裁也很贊成 |