| IVOD_ID |
161075 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161075 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T11:01:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T11:12:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1c45170a5fdec6717bf088656e97d340397e39277836b040f10cd3a5187eac2bc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:42 - 11:12:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請衛生福利部部長就「長照2.0執行情形檢討及3.0未來規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部部長就「澳洲進口豬腳驗出含萊克多巴胺，如何加強肉品食安查驗，讓民眾放心」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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好 謝謝主席 我請我們食藥署署長好 請我們食藥署 蔣署長李凱德 李凱德委員好署長 我這十萬看你講話 我替你捏兩汗你學者這樣講很危險 |
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我看你在那個在政界上還要再磨練謝謝委員,謝謝石崇良署長他是你的標竿你做過次長做過次長,現在做過署長,一直這樣子他都在做但是你看他prepare,prepare長官學他都有他的一套這樣講話很危險,什麼吃不死,喝水就死 |
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吃飯也會死 吃米也會死所以這樣講是完全很危險的講法我要拜託署署長要自己提點謝謝委員 謝謝我今天早上有跟我們中華民國養豬學會潘連周理事長有跟他聯絡我說你的訴求是什麼這潘連周他是中華民國養豬學會的 |
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他只有兩個要求因為他說從國外進口的豬肉佔我們不到一成差不多十到十二萬公噸台灣自己的豬肉他們很有信心只有兩個要求第一個要標示產地 |
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第二個,這個台北市長是炒得太熱了從我第八屆,第九屆、第十屆是我們邱太闘部長在做立委第八屆就剪到,剛才你看到很多包括田秋晴、陳潔如,都在下面我做教委,每天在前面全部都要求 |
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零檢出好了你看歐盟自己有訂Codex但是他不允許使用萊克多巴胺他也不允許用萊克多巴胺的肉品進口到歐盟現在是這樣喔他雖然他有訂他有訂標準Codex的標準是歐洲華典委員會訂出來那中國 |
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兩個都禁止所以他從巴西進口牛肉啦從美國進口牛肉豬肉啦他們就乖乖的沒有用萊克多巴胺的農場乖乖的生產過來那俄羅斯沒有那日本有限度使用10個ppp就0.01ppm他有條件進口 |
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萊克多巴胺的韓國也是一樣那台灣也是這樣被逼的啦差不多也是這個條件那美國他允許30個PVP那進口的也是30個PVP我剛剛 |
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我剛剛在那邊主持的時候打電話到美國我的親戚舊天山我問他說你們現在那個萊克多巴胺的肉是怎麼做因為我上次去美國看的時候是有標示他有吃瘦肉精的他就標示這邊沒有吃瘦肉精的 |
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然後他說我說現在有沒有改變他說現在就沒有標示了但是他們如果沒有吃瘦肉精的他們會寫Nature就是他的食物是Nature沒有含藥物那個比較貴一點 |
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其他的什麼牛肉、鹿肉、什麼肉都沒有特別的標示,因為FDA允許什麼蛙殼肉都30個PVP啦,美國人就是這樣啦美國肝臟他們最好的沒有啦,美國都黑皮膚的啦,所以給美國人的標示就是這樣 |
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你對於這個標示產地你剛剛說我聽你講好像是國內國外都要標示產地有沒有是嗎沒錯嘛那如果這個這兩天看到這個廠商是說他自己包裝抽屋印書抽屋或是分裝抽屋是真的有這回事嗎 |
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這個我沒有特別去詢問廠商因為有一點敏感的時刻當署長好像不太適合去問廠商說你們的狀況但是他們是有這樣子的宣稱以及有新聞稿我有看到好那這十幾年來所有的藍綠的民意代表包括我們總統當時說我這麼年輕一定要臨檢出 |
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那這個題目炒得太熱了這個題目不是用說你說零點零一啦零點零四就吃了安心啦吃了不會死啦吃一輩子都不會死這個是情感問題 感覺的問題所以你說這個就要比較細緻了再跟署長簽稿一下好 謝謝 |
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所以這個要很嚴肅的來看待 |
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因為前一陣子國內的牙醫聯盟歐洲的東歐的牙醫聯盟日本的牙醫的學生的家長有三組人 齁 每天就在那邊忙不定我看你更可憐的啦 每天五枚啦那現在 |
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有經驗的有那個的他不去偏鄉啊偏鄉有幾十個沒有沒有沒有五十幾個吧五十五個對五十五個啊包括我們屏東就幾大堆啊啊有經驗的沒經驗去啊外國回來的你沒辦法去啊每天就換人家啊總是偏鄉裡頭要擔該關啊 |
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現在亞裔前年會,我看他討論,他說不然可不可以讓這個亞裔系畢業,我看一年也沒有多少個啦,頂多一百多個啦,難的嘛那用替代役,讓那邊是三桑,他有這招啊,他有這招啊嘛,因為亞裔是出雜,但是經驗可能比較不好,但是裝逼不好比較好啊,你覺得這個這個這個怎麼樣? |
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這個當然我們可以做建議啦不過這是內政部的權責所以是一個方式你現在沒有補啊沒有補啊,這裡是偏鄉現在是這樣啦,現在亞裔偏鄉這個計畫我們鼓勵本國畢業的醫師可以去偏鄉我們再鼓勵保障薪水現在有這個制度現在就 |
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這部份的結尾是行政要去審查,因為包括保障薪水,包括去到那裡那個要把那個儀器嘛,設備什麼要處理好所以我認為課程在衛生所設備,讓他們可以去我先跟大家說,現在立體規定的是要本國畢業的本國衛生事業畢業的 |
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498.752 |
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516.81 |
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對啦,你不要變成本國爺爺是要有經驗的先去,去保障薪水,我是怕還有人要去啦,不然你偏偏的...那爺爺是說,如果有一個瘦不可能就有得人要去啦?我不會說的,人家靠電,靠電喔,靠電齁, |
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518.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
523.996 |
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要自己中間去看,在那裡也沒有藥醫,平常藥醫師說的去輪,輪,每次也開天窗,那不那麼簡單啦,藥醫師自己都在診所,自己都沒有藥醫師, |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
534.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
548.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以這個替代役這一塊算一算應該可以來補充人力不然的話你國外的不行這個有經驗的沒有人要去這總是要改革的這塊的檢部有問題嗎 不有問題嗎可以嗎 部長當然這有一定的條件 市長講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
565.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
584.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
謝謝委員關心 就是誠如剛剛我們部長講的替代役是市內政部的權責然後再第二點就是說從113年起因為國家常備兵員的有一定的員額的考量所以113年起就只有因為宗教跟家庭的因素可以申請替代役這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
585.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
606.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
再來就是亞裔系的畢業生剛開始畢業的時候他有分有牌的跟沒牌的不是每個畢業生都一定可以考上如果說把經驗比較少的把他送到比較偏遠的偏鄉這樣的話他的適當性我們還需要考量再來替代儀的話94年次以後的畢業生只有一年 |
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607.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
623.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
所以這個如果說他們一年有可能會造成短比較短期的人力那基本上我們在部長的指導之下我們希望是提供至少要有PGY以上的而且是長期的人力剛剛我們部長也講過了就是說畢業去當賓士還沒有PGY喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
626.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
644.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
還沒有PGY喔?是畢業考上就去當兵?還是當替代役?畢業就一顆對要給我PGY,連PGY就沒有我們的偏鄉計畫就是在部長指導之下,我們的偏鄉計畫是要有PGY以後才會去偏鄉這樣子偏鄉計畫是有完成PGY,當然是一定要用這招 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
648.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
663.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這稍微有靠一般醫學的訓練、一般牙醫學的訓練可能是比較適合這個替代醫這個考慮的因素比較多,但是是一個很好的方向,我們也可以來建議啦好,可以考量這一塊啦 |