IVOD_ID |
161066 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161066 |
日期 |
2025-05-08 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-12 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
12 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-08T10:45:27+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:58:49+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:13:22 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c10bd92ba59fc7658dd3023b910515704e5f5e885147c9c9bc3ab31a2dbb756f7d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
委員發言時間 |
10:45:27 - 10:58:49 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議(事由:邀請外交部部長、原住民族委員會主任委員報告「運用總合外交理念結合南島語系國家,以發揮價值外交願景之規劃與策略」,並備質詢。) |
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市長我還是先從德國的駐台協會這個聲明來先講起在外交場域上其實駐地單位使館代表處 |
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點名該帝國的特定政黨進行所謂的批評其實是非常罕見非常罕見那這已經是第二次是上一次是所謂的特定政黨就國民黨的上次一個年輕人穿著納粹衣服去法院 |
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這一次是直接點名國民黨跟朱立倫喔我看德國在來協會的那個聲明裡面是點名台灣的特勤政黨跟黨主席然後用詞呢很重叫做失望與不安不僅是德國在來協會歐盟分享了德國在來協會的官方的這個聲明那我們都知道他們的態度那這其實是一個 |
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有人說德國沒有權力干涉台灣內政 這毫無國際觀反對納粹 反對侵害人權是國際普世價值如果講到這個叫做侵害他國內政 這是鬧第二次笑話那我們知道以色列現在有一個國會團在台灣 |
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裡面有一個擔任過國防部長有一個擔任過農業部長有一個擔任過通訊部長三個內閣承認部長的重量級國會議員然後這個團我印象涵蓋三個到五個政黨人現在正在台灣所以我們看到歐洲的態度請問一下以色列來到台灣訪問的團對這件事情目前有沒有態度或者Maya駐台代表有沒有態度 |
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我們請亞非斯,來請說。報告委員,目前的話我們還沒有看到他們這個團有相關的一些態度的一個說明。那以色列駐台協會呢?目前我們還沒有收到相關的一些資訊。因為通常他們會是第一個反應,可是講納粹,這一次是德國先有反應,所以這會變成國際事件,這會上國際媒體。 |
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那我也相信這些駐台的代表們他們對狀況是很了解的他們其實就是怕國際誤以為台灣都這樣子他才點名特定政黨以免國際以為台灣人都這麼丟臉 |
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而這個特定政黨不思反省還用網軍點名去攻擊德國駐台協會我覺得這個是本來是各政黨的內部我不想講但這個影響到台灣的國際形象所以外交部要妥適的處理是我們一定會跟這個各個國家能夠說明這個不是台灣的主流因為它裡面也特別提到在國際的評比不管是言論自由或者是所謂的施政的透明度反貪腐指數 |
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或者是民主的排名台灣幾乎都亞洲排名前兩名國際排名我們甚至於是網路自由度亞洲的排名第一名這樣的國家去類比二戰時候的納粹已經是不倫不類了那如果要攻擊所謂的獨裁我們隔壁那個國家中國最獨裁你就拿那個類比就好了 |
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所以這個事情不僅是把內政政黨的惡鬥搞到鬧國際笑話傷害的不是政黨之間的利益傷害的是台灣國際形象所以這個事情本席在這邊第一題就拿出來請外交部 |
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可能有一個縮帖好好說明那這些政黨我相信這些駐台代表包含歐洲各國他特別會點名政黨其實相當程度是認同台灣整體不會這樣子我認識的台灣人民甚至我認識的國民黨朋友也沒有人這麼傻我不知道這個政黨怎麼會這樣子好我第二個要請問的是北美斯各位先請回北美斯有沒有注意到 |
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在美國國務院有一個所謂的各國的關係的有個定義表比方說這個United StatesTaiwan Relations這個United States Relations with Taiwan有一個定義表那它不是針對台灣啦它對全世界各地各國都會有這樣的定義表這個定義表上一次review更新是什麼時候 |
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包委員那是在台灣部分是今年年初的時候二月嘛我印象川普就任後1月20號就職二月份才剛更新對台對中國大概對130幾國的關係表有重新定義那昨天 |
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這一個國務院的對各國的關係表通通撤下來我看到有有媒體報導說台灣的被這個拉下來不是我看起來他是全部都有重新更新在更新中的時候二月份更新的頁面現在都看不見了北美是有沒有掌握了解目前是什麼狀況 |
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其實這個情形已經有好幾個禮拜了那我們其實之前就已經問過就是透過AIT還有就是華府都有了解那美方的回應是說其實這個並不是針對台灣或任何是全面性的因為主要是那裡面它是美國100那裡面有100多個國家的外面關係介紹它是全面下架因為它說裡面很多國家的這些資訊都是兩年以上都沒有再更新 |
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把國務院二月份剛更新嘛現在在五月份才過了不到一季他又全部重新要review一次他是把所有的他現在所有全部在更新所以全部先拉下來那台灣的頁面會不會有所變動 |
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這個我們還要再繼續了解但目前就是說他們是要全面檢視然後在最後再重新把可能要掌握一下有關台灣的部分有關對亞洲各國日本中國我們台灣第一島鏈相關國家我們不能等它發生可能要先了解它大概有些更新如果台灣就跟二月份一樣不變能夠事前掌握 |
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這一個川普在5月6號說了一件我覺得蠻有意思的就是這標準的川普風格說這兩天會宣布一個他用的英文叫做Earth Shattering就是地球會打球會噹噹就震動地球的大消息而且告訴大家這跟貿易無關那而且對那個國家他有個特定國是一個他們想要得到卻一直沒有得到的一個大消息大發展 |
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你們有沒有試著去猜謎看看或掌握這個情資他在講什麼這個我們大概不太好去猜啦但是說就這個台美關係的部分我們現在看到的包括他在這個聯合國首次的發聲這個聯合國我要糾正一下2758號決議文事實上從Greenfield擔任美國駐聯合國大使是一直到之前之前川普第一任的最後一任駐聯合國大使 |
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都有講過2758號決議文是在兩年前兩個助理次卿來到台灣把所有駐台的外國辦事處韓邦邦交國邀集開會請他們就2758號決議文的正確 |
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決議呢進行詮釋鼓勵大家認知到當年的2758號決議文那個文本大家隨便網路調都有了裡面根本沒有提到台灣講的是中國代表權由所謂的毛澤東的這個中華人民共和國所取代 |
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結束完全沒有提到台灣所以2758號決議文無赦台灣這也就是這兩天剛通過的一個台灣國際團結法案的根本精神而台灣國際團結法案是美國的國會通過的 |
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那在國際社會上大家現在包含了英國、澳洲、加拿大、美國、荷蘭、比利時、捷克、歐盟各國、馬紹爾群島都通過2758號決議文無色台灣美國有好幾個州的州議會也通過2758號決議文無色台灣你知道這是什麼嗎 |
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這是台灣2300萬人參與國際社會的法律基礎那中國當然緊張因為中國就是從1971年開始拿2758號決議文說你們台灣已經被中國代表了所以你沒有資格參與國際社會任何跟台灣建交的或者跟中國建交的都要跟台灣斷交它的根基就是2758號 |
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所以2758號決議文就是阻止台灣2300萬人國際參與的法律戰中國已經濫用了將近40年他亂搞這個東西錯誤的扭曲用這個阻止台灣參加IKEA INTERPOL |
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包含我們一直要參加的這個世界衛生組織都是跟2758號有關所以當你看到國際主流社會都在通過說對啊那個文字內容根本沒有談到台灣那中國會反擊索馬利亞就是一個反擊他叫一個虎仔國叫中國的附庸國虎仔國索馬利亞出來說什麼 |
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根據2758號決議文持台灣的護照的不得入境索馬利亞誰要去他那裡啊索馬利亞那個海盜國我坦白講台灣去那邊很少啊 |
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索馬利亞是一個不值得尊重國家但是他這個動作就顯示中國想要利用他的胡宰國來玩2758號決議文的法律戰而這法律戰建立在事實的根基上本來就無色台灣如果無色台灣美國兩年前兩位助理次卿來到台灣鼓勵世界各國了解2758號決議文的真實 |
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然後鼓勵大家跟台灣可以進行官方的往來這是一個很大的突破所以我現在你剛才提到2758號我先跳離開那一題 |
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根據不管是美國剛通過的國際團結法案或者美國在聯合國的大使我印象有三次提到27582的原因文而且是跨民主共和黨兩任政府那目前這個國際法理戰中國除了用索馬利亞以外它還會你們有沒有掌握情資它還會叫哪些胡宅國出來講 |
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你不好用這個字啊他其他的他的相關的邦交國我想他在全球南方喔那麼在這個索馬利亞這個事情並不是單獨的例子那包括之前跟我們斷交的南泰的很多的國家跟他建交的時候都重新的在陳述了他每一個國家建交都會拿2758號出來說出來但我說會做大到動作說禁止持我們國家護照的人不能入境目前還有沒有其他國家 |
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目前我們並沒有感覺到有這樣的一個跡象會擴大那麼畢竟每個國家跟中國的關係禁止台灣拿台灣護照的路徑以現在國際社會來講損失的可能是那個國家這絕對是 台灣的經貿實力你不來就不來 不來就不來我們台灣是有實力的國家所以因為時間的關係 |
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這個2758號決議文世界各國都根據事實做出對台灣國際參與有利的決議我本心很遺憾我們在立法院全世界民主國家現在我們台灣的國會無法就這個通過在來黨要提出的是恢復一中的決議文那個會鬧國際笑話所以2758號決議文在國際的氛圍這樣的狀況下我們在 |
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這一次不管是世衛大會或者是Interpol ICAO這些相關民航組織等等兩年一次的會議各國應該會在那邊再重申2758號不應該作為阻止台灣參與的法律基礎是那我們外交部應該加大一些遊說的動作但我還是很遺憾我們對國際發聲的沒宣相關的費用被藍白刪到變零元你們是砍到零嘛是有沒有剩一塊 |
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有沒有剩一塊好像沒有你知道砍到零跟剩一塊差別在哪裡剩一塊還可以追加還可以救回來砍到變零根據預算法我們還不能找其他理由編回來一個國家的外交是代表國家的聲音聲音被 |
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把喉嚨聲帶都割掉了,竟然是我們自己國家國會所為,這個是比較遺憾但是外交人員辛苦了,還是要幫國家發聲月間時間太短,沒辦法把題目問完但是請注意到就是,目前美國正在發聲的國際重新定義以及當然川普個人主義,個人色彩很重所以他所有重新定義,創下了一些先例 |
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要往對台灣有利走如果對台灣不利的時候這個先例一旦設下來我們可能將來會費很大力氣才能拉回來可能北美斯跟香港同仁要加油一下謝謝 |