| IVOD_ID |
161065 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161065 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T10:47:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:58:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1933f5b304ad693af86c15394cd5fc9015f5e885147c9c9bc062fd125beb3cbaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:31 - 10:58:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員李坤城等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（本日僅進行詢答；第三案及第四案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
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謝主席請呃...籌備處李主任跟護證師啊 疏視察好 請李主任還有...疏視察這個...我先請教一下這個護證師疏視察這個... |
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護身事務所上級主管機關是不是民政處是民政處處長是政務官嘛民政處長是政務官也有可能是事務官嘛是以這個基隆來看看這個他應該是政務官啦那護所主任是公務人員嘛事務官嘛對不對是那政務官跟事務官然後把各自啊洩密做政治用途該當何罪 |
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這很嚴重的事情耶公權力去侵犯個人的資料是由主管機關洩漏那民政處上面的護證事務所中央主管機關就是護證師嘛如何防備還是單就處長個人的行為以及兩個護所主任去配合 |
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是相關的細節現在檢調正在進行偵查你想為什麼會會出現這種狀況護身事務所主任是公務人員欸對不對那後來他做那個那麼嚴重違法事項那當然是上面指示嘛那上面是處長嘛那處長他有沒有這個權力可以指揮這個護身事務所有時候不一定有也許有更上面對不對 |
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公務機關竟然帶頭去侵害個人的這個資料這非常嚴重的事情啊你護身師主管機關在中央啊我只能監督你我不能監督高雄基隆市啊所以這部分啊你們看怎麼去防弊是 |
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跟委員報告就是我們已經在5月1號的時候有發文通令全國的互證機關就是說他們在執行相關的業務的時候必須依照相關的法規譬如說個人資料保護法就是說他們在查詢戶籍資料的時候是必須是在法定職權裡面才能夠去進行的這是基本的你還在通令這代表說這個螺絲鬆了 |
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我當過民政處長四年民政局長一年我對護證事務所當然業務它的服務它的便民各項這個檢證措施一定要做好因為會民服務嘛但對個人的資料保護一定要遵守相關法律規定如果有任何一點我知道我一定嚴辦每次開主管護證主管會報我都三聲五令 |
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所有的戶籍同仁啊 是為民服務你有任何客訴 或者你有任何資料外洩 或者你有不當使用個人資料會用你的護證系統 去查個人的個資啊如果讓我知道 我另研辦不僅烤雞打餅啊 我移送檢調 |
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這個可能中央要更嚴厲一點好 謝謝蘇市長來 請問一下李主任針對這個Data Branch你這個整個外洩的這個部分這個有沒有相關的分級管理的機制 |
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比如說這個你GDPR或者日本的個資保護法 韓國的PIPA這些他們都有通報的實現而且有分級管理那麼現行的相關的規定 現行的法規如果你們成立之後這個相關的草案內容我看不出有通報實現也看不出有分級管理你們目前的相關怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告 現在當然是規劃 某法剛剛所關切的這幾個問題要在執法 那邊有一個授權的執法要再去訂剛剛所說的那個通報實現 封禁管理 封禁法裡面不會訂 |
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母法裡面規定母法裡面已經有先處理到說通報的這個範圍所以會有產生一個分級的概念到底是哪些重大的這個情況比如說是你假如說是特種個人資料的或者說比數比較大的有明文規定嗎會在那個執法裡面把它具體明文規定出來是執法還是母法是沒有錯執法嘛對 |
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你執法也要趕快這個有相關的配方出來通報實現呢?通報實現目前也是要在執法裡面去規範所以現在母法通過你執法就馬上要產生嘛對不對?是,它產生之後才可以決定這個法怎麼做但你執法有沒有相關的概念?你在用歐盟模式還是用韓國新加坡的模式?是,我們先請同仁補充 |
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是 報告委員 因為其實像通報實現的部分像我們其實是有參考日本跟韓國的規定那其實他們在通報實現方面 因為其實會有一些狀況比如說他可能有一些不可抗力的室友的時候他可能會有一些需要做彈性的處理所以如果一旦在母法裡面把他定死了其實在實務運作上會比較所以我說你司法要有相關的這個方向嘛 |
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那你看是5日內還是72小時還是更久應該是說原則上可能會朝向72小時但是會有一些歐盟模式吧會有一些例外的情況要去做彈性處理好這個部分你們在執法裡面不管是分級管理或者是這個通報時間都會執法裡面訂定會把它訂清楚 對那DPO的部分我們討論DPO你現在在條文裡面 |
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你規定這個特定的公務機關特定公務機關跟高風險處理者需要設置什麼叫特定公務機關我們目前是所有公務機關都要設所有公務機關包括地方政府對中央跟地方一二三級都要目前的規劃是都要設戶政事務所都要 |
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要 但是會先以地方來講的話是先應該是以機關的形態先去呈現的所以所有公務機關一二三級你知道最這個比方說民政署下面的負責事務所或者地政事務所只要是機關形態的都要設置這個DPO目前的規劃是這樣所以這個部分是在母法裡面就會規定 |
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母法已經規定是公務機關都要設所有公務機關都要?是好 那另外能不能委外? |
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你要找那麼多DPO人才何其容易目前現在他是用一個任務型去兼任的任務型他就有內部他的這個行政的這個層級或者行政的規範你如果他層級不夠高你上面壓力下來他就不敢辦 |
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是不是這樣子 我們現在的寫法是副首長跟適當的人員那因為這邊執法我們還要 這裡面也有一個執法要去訂明正處長都可以公然違法了那你要不要考慮到委外DPO那部分的一個 很多國家包括德國 包括韓國 新加坡都有讓DPO的管道能夠多元化 |
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韓國在公部門的這部分還是維持是他們內部人員因為這有組織文化又怕說外部去了解但是你看新加坡新加坡他是允許聘用外部的顧問新加坡因為只有非公務機關各執法只有非公務機關適用那歐盟模式也是可以委由第三方啊 |
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是 但是因為它是給各個會員國 它只是說現在規定各個會員國的你應該很清楚說能不能委外 委外的機制是什麼條件是什麼 可能要講清楚不能完全沒有DPA DPA不能委外 不能叫第三方那獨立性的保障呢 |
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當然他這部分在執行的時候他需要一些外部的資源協助是OK啦但是我們目前你如果全部內部你不要說你副首長擔任他那個獨立性就會受到影響嘛對不對目前現在這個DPO我們不是說朝向說他要變成是一個小的獨立機關的概念最主要是先要有一個這個人在組織裡面要專門去負責有關於各自保護管理的一個文化的推進所以我們先朝兼任的方式先處理 |
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那下一階段要不要繼續再去把他的強化有這個職位就要發揮功能另外這個你要有專業的要求這個也沒有明定這個在執法裡面也沒有定你若副所長擔任他的副所長也許也是是政務官也有可能啊 |
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對不對 那也不是 工人掉下去也不是這方面的專業啊所以你們對這個資格跟他的專業啊你不能說一律就是由副所長來擔任會在執法裡面把這部分要如何去指定相當的人員裡面執法會再定出來 不會說隨意派一個來做這個我質詢不會無邊際的時間到了我就會應該喔 這個 |
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國會的質詢應該在委員會的質詢應該比照這個院會時間到了就斷麥否則這個無邊際質詢齁這個高鐵我一言再言也要也要邀請委員要上來啦我要必須要齁來我要遵循邀請委員所以不能無邊際質詢啦我不是跟你說我是跟那個趙偉說啦我剛剛有一瞬間想說那我是不是要斷麥啊 |
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不過我沒有這樣做謝謝 |