| IVOD_ID |
161039 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161039 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T09:41:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T09:50:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c17a65d3af85a2d6ead3023b910515704eae5f659dc2fb3fa72534413e15b9eb305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅美玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:56 - 09:50:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、原住民族委員會主任委員報告「運用總合外交理念結合南島語系國家，以發揮價值外交願景之規劃與策略」，並備質詢。） |
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副主委好副主委為了今天的這個議題本席有上網搜尋了南島民族論壇的這個網站結果一直都沒有辦法連上這個網站甚至還有顯示說下架了怎麼回事啊我們這論壇已經執行了五年居然連個網站都連不上去到底怎麼回事請問副主委 |
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是,跟委員報告,因為在我們這一次的經費的部分有減列了一千九百多萬,那包括網站的維印這個部分當然也是涵蓋在裡面,所以我們本年度的網站無法進行在資安的檢查跟更新的維印工作,所以我們為了資安的考量先暫時關閉。 |
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所以是因為我們被刪了一千九百七十六萬,跟這個有關係,因為網站無法維護,所以我們就停掉了這個網站。是,因為這個中規處裡面大概一千九百多萬,這個包括開一些會議的部分,維持營運的部分的經費,我們這個部分就剪裂了,所以我們就沒有辦法,只好做一個為了治安的考量。 |
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那這樣子 我們今年的南島民族論壇還有辦法辦下去嗎 請問各位報告 我們還是有 因為還有部分的經費還在因為剛剛也提到我們的南島論壇或國際事務的部分不是只有在中規處 包括教育文化處 經濟發展處 社會福利處都有相關的一些經費在做國際交流或者世界研究民族的合作的相關工作 |
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所以這個論壇還是可以繼續下去論壇的部分部分的工作可以繼續下去我們說你想的會有哪一些啊因為本席在想本來想說連這個網站都我本來想說看看過去五年來我們這執行的內容是什麼結果完全看不到所以除了臉書之外 |
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這個我本來想說這裡面自己的專網可能會比較清楚結果完全連不上去結果是跟這個經費被刪有關係那我們這次如果是這樣子刪了1976萬將近2000萬的這個經費那我們這個六年計劃南島民族論壇六年計劃會受影響的項目會有哪一些呢 |
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對這一次因為檢列了1900多萬大概都是在中規處裡面的業務費用中規處裡面的很多業務幾乎都沒有辦法進行了是不是包括所謂的可能執行委員會的會議還有論壇大會可能就會停辦論壇大會對還有包括帛琉總部以及台北秘書處可能暫時先停止營運大概是這樣子那這部分也是因為檢列之後也要符合預算法的相關規定來做執行 |
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所以目前這個都沒有辦法因為它是整個就刪掉了所以就沒有辦法挽回了對 如果是說凍結的話它有解凍可是這個是整個刪除所以目前今年都是勢必這些您副主委剛才所講的部分是完全沒有辦法執行了 |
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是,因為也要符合預算法的相關規定,既然是檢驗的話,這個部分的業務大概要推動比較不容易。OK,那當然剛剛我們莊委,黃元莊委剛剛有提到就是南島民族論壇計畫這個部分,已經執行五年了,當然有很多需要。 |
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檢討的這個地方因為像之前我們也看到這個立法院這個也有提出來一些我們有些成果型的效率型的這個績效這個指標需要去去做調整去做加強因為再來我們 |
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後面還有一百一十五年到一百二十年的第二期的這個計劃那這個第二期的計劃能不能獲得支持我想未來調整的方向很重要這部分我在想黃榮主委剛才講的部分就是說績效的部分我覺得這個是有它的道理在 |
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這部分的話 我在想原民會這部分要來做調整只是比較可惜就是說我們說我們比較擔心就是說會影響到我們這個國際交流的這個部分那剛剛一開始我們原民會就有提到就是說我們跟很多南島國家其實呢在語言文化上面有很多相似的這個地方那本席呢也是來自我們我在這個南島語系國家出生長大 |
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所以也很清楚就是說我們的馬來語馬來西亞的馬來語其實跟台灣原住民的語言很類似是副主委您是排灣族嗎我排灣族屏東的那像這個數字我講四好了排灣族怎麼說四百四百我們馬來語叫N百然後五呢數字五呢五阿美族也是五對不對那十呢雙倍 |
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那馬來西亞語馬來語叫所以其實是非常相近的那我再請問一下我們周偉我們怎麼說阿美族吉他我們也是吉他或是甘蜜對不對甘蜜也是一樣對不對那你們呢 |
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跟馬來語幾乎都是一樣嘛那周偉 姐姐 我 姐姐 怎麼稱呼 姐姐 哥哥馬來西亞語 馬來語也是哥哥 |
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台灣也叫嘎嘎嗎?對對對兄弟姐妹都叫嘎嘎,加名字就知道是哪一個嘎嘎眼睛都不用說了Mata,Mujus,Dalinga我們叫Mula,OK,馬來語Dalinga,耳朵,一樣對,房子呢?我們也叫Ruma道路呢?Jalan我們叫Jalan包括下雨,雨傘 |
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我们也叫Hujan,马来语也叫Hujan这样讲一讲,十几二十个单字是一样的所以你看我来自于马来西亚,我们国家的马来语跟台湾族语跟阿美族语几乎都是一样嘛,对不对那当然我知道像过去有很多马来西亚的原住民其实也到访台湾像我们马来西亚砂劳越的一般族其实跟台东 |
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我們蘭嶼的這個島嶼族語言文化服飾幾乎都是一樣的所以我們跟這些南島國家的這個交流絕對不能夠斷這個因為說實在可能都還是有很濃密的這個的血緣的這個關係所以我在想說我們真的是要善用我們在這些南島國家的這些資源 |
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也許在國際上面有一些困難可是我們甚至可以經過民間的資源來拓展我們的原民文化我們原民的外交跟國際來做接軌那當然我必須要強調就是說其實我們不單單只有跟八個邦交國互動我們跟很多南岛 |
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語系的國家互動印尼、馬來西亞、菲律賓我們都有很多很多的互動我在想說我們經過文化語言的共通性我們可以共同來建造一個台灣跟原民更加美好更加國際化的一個未來這是我在這裡很期待的一部分那當然這也跟我自己的背景出身有很大的關心 |
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那尤其是我在台灣跟很多的原民朋友在聊天的時候常常會發現說我們有很多的語言其實是非常的類似所以以本席的立場當然很希望就是說原民會這邊還有外交部這邊能夠積極的來拓展這個南島文化我想這是台灣一個很重要很美的一個資源 |
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對啊那當然最後我還想問主委喔您認為說南島國家像太平洋很多小島都有很多南島民族他們到底起源是來自於哪裡大家都在討論您覺得是來自於哪裡 |
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我想我們比較認同的論說是台灣是南島起源說因為從語言的複雜性還有植物的原生種很多都是來自於台灣那從語言學家植物學家甚至基因的研究台灣應該是起源我想有這樣的一個通常的說法台灣其實就是這些 |
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民族的起源嘛所以像我知道說最近也有一些中國的統戰言論也就是說他們東南沿海才是可是我們可以發現那我自己本身來自於南海國家我們很清楚不管是在語言民族上面其實我們跟中國東南沿海其實有很大的這個相差很大 |
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所以其实台湾应该还是真正的这个起源因为台湾的原名算是南岛语系民族它跟汉藏语系民族的确是不太一样是完全不一样那刚刚委员特别提到的有关我们的六年中长城计划的部分我想我们也正在炒您下一期的六年那我们也会把委员还有主席刚刚的建议我们都会纳入我们的新的计划里面OK 好 这个应该要改善了让它更好谢谢 副主委谢谢 |