| IVOD_ID |
161011 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161011 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T11:00:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T11:10:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e06a5429975fef91e2204869f6baa92091d3464f2517af749f0a9c7a02352e8f88f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:23 - 11:10:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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辛苦請李主委李主委有請委員好 |
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主委辛苦我先謝謝牛雪凌召委今天很關心我們中選會的業務來排這一個業務報告那其實我也知道最關心的是即將被罷免可能二階之後即將投票然後包含的這些種種的這些過程我想大家都提出一些問題 |
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那其實他們最想知道的是什麼我說被罷免的人即將現在已經二階已經送件送到選委會然後現在正在審查審查期間有多久40天嘛40天所以如果是今天送件的話 |
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如果是今天是5月7號送件的話如果他是達標的他是沒有他是他的查對是沒有問題的40天內所以他最快應該是在一個月6月中旬就成案了對不對是那6月中旬成案之後20天到60天內舉行投票對不對是 |
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那如果20天內舉行投票的話最快最快是7月就可以投票了7月上旬就可以投票了這一次的罷免團體非常的特別從什麼時候開始的從去年開始國民黨跟民眾黨推動國會擴權法案 |
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引發很多人的注意從沈博洋委員被推下發言台那一刻開始立法院外面的青鳥集結從國會跨權法案被宣告無效之後國民黨跟民眾黨持續推動限訴法要讓憲法法庭宣告違憲的憲法法庭沒有辦法開會 |
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持續推動選罷法的修法要求未來如果要連署罷免的人要附身份證繼續推動刪除很多的預算把預算做了很多的刪除引發這些罷免團體從 |
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二月開始集結送件最快是二月三號四號開始送件也就是符合一年開始送件其實這個過程裡面有給他們補考的機會如果二月三號以後一接送件在行政院提出預算的附議三月十二號投票的時候其實我想 |
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如果讓總預算順利的可以復翼的話那這些二階不會那麼踴躍畢竟二階刪掉畢竟總預算刪掉的包含在這個委員會裡面海委會海巡署被刪掉的預算被捅刪15%的預算是捅刪掉台灣國防15%的預算裡面包含今年海巡署有兩艘艦艇可能沒有辦法交艦 |
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是這樣嚴重的這些過程累積這些二階的連署讓這些二階的連署現在到今天從一階開始過來到現在從二月到現在過了三個月二階連署目前剛剛主委報告已經有二十件送件了那還有三十件還是在連署當中那一我的估計齁 |
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看所有這些公民團體的這些數量的這些估計以我們的估計這個禮拜可能還會有很多的送件那這禮拜還會有很多的送件將都會集中在7月中旬以前投票 |
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所以國民黨他現在跟民眾黨各提了兩個公投法公投法的規定是每年的八月八月的什麼時候要投票八月二十三也就是離七月中旬還有一個月的時間 |
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所以剛剛有國民黨的委員吶要求主委要求你要把罷免投票跟公投綁在同一天這個是他們以為他們可以補考的機會主委你不用回答因為罷團每一個人所有這些親娘們 |
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他們這三個月來每天在外面擺攤別的年輕人在聽音樂會另外一批年輕人跑到音樂會門口希望他們的朋友們希望關心台灣未來的這些朋友們一起參加罷免來保護台灣的民主來針對去年種種的這些亂象來罷免 |
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他不是要中選會你去喬時間他們已經辛苦在外面三個月了三個月辛辛苦苦每一張請所有的認同他們的人來提出的罷免聯署書可以讓你們這樣子要求跟公投一起投票你們就答應嗎我覺得 |
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要非常尊重所有的罷免團體因為我們看到這些年輕人他們已經在外面已經很辛苦的簽了三個月如果你一個選務機關可以直接裁定把他們辛辛苦苦這個禮拜就送件七月中就要投票硬是要往後延我覺得這個是不對的所以 主委 |
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尊重罷免團體的這些憤怒尊重罷免團體的這些時程我覺得中選會也必須要有一定的尊照這些法律規定的這些時間來做執行 主委你會不會尊照 |
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選罷法裡面目前包含40天查核期包含成案之後20天到60天投票20天裡面的這些裁量他們已經憤怒很久了已經3個月了接下來再40天4個月了希望中選會可以秉公的來處理 |
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報告委員每一個案件它的進行的時程不同所以它成案的時間也會有差異所以我剛剛跟你討論的時間就是在我們現在剛剛業務報告裡面有講的20件包含這一周都還在送件的這一些進度裡面我推算的時間主委剛剛也有推算出來是在7月中旬 |
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455.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
476.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
但是他不會是所有的案件都是在那一邊所以可能會有落差那如果沒有補件明顯超過這一些我們現在就可以看到明顯超過百分之一百二一百三的這一些可能就很有機會在七月中旬我們大概是三個原則第一個原則就是必須要合法 |
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477.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
504.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
因為每一個案件就是法律規定在他宣告成立之後20到60天之內要辦理投票這一定要符合法律的規定第二個一定要在這個社會成本的考量之下你這樣不斷地動彎社會輔助最大的成本這當然我們選務機關也不容易看到那第三個還要考慮到我們選務的能量我們可以打幾打 |
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506.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
528.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
所以我們基於這三個考量按照每一個案子進行的時序我們會提到委員會去來做審慎的決定最後他們補考的題目我也講一下啦國民黨提出的公投有兩個一個是反廢死一個是反戰爭 |
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530.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
556.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
大概這兩個但是他的這些內容文字明顯的很難處理讓人很難去做這個公投的投票所以如果立法院提出的違反公投法第二條的公投案第二條就是說他不是法律的覆決他不是立法原則的創制他是重大政策的創制或覆決但是他的重大政策裡面的問句又特別多 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
556.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
562.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
你沒有辦法讓人民判斷請問中選會要怎麼處理我們還有什麼救濟的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
563.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
589.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
中選會是依法來執行職務他如果違反第二條立法院根據公民投票法15條第二項的規定他是可以就公民投票法第二條第二項第三款也就是所謂的重大政策的創製或複決來交付公投重大政策說不要戰爭不要戰爭就是說 |
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592.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
618.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這個國防 我們跟美國買太多國防會惹怒中國可能會引發戰爭這樣合理嗎這個是最基本的條件我是不敢說它合不合理最基本的條件就是說你一定要護航你提出來的案子必須是重大政策的覆決或創制那我們中選會就會跟著辦下去好 謝謝主委時間的關係 謝謝 |