| IVOD_ID |
160974 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160974 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-06T16:07:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-06T16:23:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db1f27f750492026a00b4aea8dc340435a34676b63038810a01ba0d305be83bca54079fb70ee7d1b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:07:56 - 16:23:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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院長好 邀請勞動部部長麻煩請勞動部長備詢麻煩院長 |
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副長好你有在立法院在詢答中親口承認會啟動就業安定基金追回程序現在已經三個月過去了審計部認證被濫用的7200 |
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7萬224萬你說會追回現在變成要縣行政院爭取未來年度的公務預算來補你的洞請教部長你還認得自己嗎 |
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這就是你要追回的方法嗎你現在不遠而直接就讓全民買單嗎你連在立院執行答應的都可以翻臉不認賬你這不是在惡整勞工嗎在欺騙企業嗎你現在又用什麼auto來讓民眾相信你會追責呢 |
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我會按審計部的要求來啟動追回的程序我希望你講重點不要講重點你怎麼樣去做麥委員這就是重點 |
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我說了 我從頭到尾我們都是說 已經三個月了所以說 三個月前跟三個月後我都是說 你在 就是你做的事情在二診嗎我要講重點啦 你要讓我講重點啦好 重點 重點是 我一直以來都是說我會按照審計部的要求來啟動追回的程序 |
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審計部在後來的這個認定的報告裡面很清楚的是跟我們說這是修正簡列是修正簡列所以後來我的回答我們基本上都是按照審計部的要求來說明我們會來啟動後續相關的程序後續相關的程序是要用我們公務預算來去補這個洞 |
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是這樣子嗎?麥委員,審計部最後在審計的報告裡面是認定這是修正檢列 |
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修正檢列的意思就是修正檢列的意思不是拿我們人民的血和錢所以說以後一件事情我們希望你真的是要講重點不要再去問問題的時候再講省紀部是認定修正檢列也就是說在他給我們的報告裡面 |
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這些錢都花掉了 你說這樣子的審計部都認定了所以說有一些 我覺得你要換個位置 要換個腦袋但是問題不在職務 從頭到尾都是說我們會依照審計部的要求 |
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你要去刮別人的鬍子之前先把你的鬍子刮乾淨先前要把這樣子的話我們的你的頭血不代表你的格局所以你有位子但是不不代表你的品格高漲你到處去宣傳你叫二座門的藍白二整勞工你才真正的二整勞工三個月了我們沒有看到你的你的成績 |
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我們才看到你的到處來去說沒錢辦訊也沒錢管變勞檢人力結果呢你們拿錢拿救援基金去養婉君去辦演唱會更離譜的你們現在還打算不追回了還想想胖就拿我們政府的錢來給你 |
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如果司法已經確認勞動部這個是亂花錢你要如何去追究你說已經改革上路了但是我請問你的改革是什麼到底是改什麼革 |
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那你要不要讓我說明好 一分鐘好 第一個勞動部是一個行政機關我們必須按照審計的要求來進行後續的相關的程序這件事情從頭到尾我都是這樣子主張到目前為止我們都是按照審計的要求來進行後續的程序 |
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第二個你剛跟我說相關的改革相關的改革已經開始啟動了勞動部在一月的時候就已經提出救安基金的三個面向跟六個策略的改革的計畫目前改革是現在進行式就追回的做法我也要跟委員說明委員你剛才說錯了 |
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現在是審計部已經下了相關的認定但是司法的部分也就是檢調的部分確實還在做相關的偵辦所以我才問你說如何去罪懥吧不要說就一直在說審計部我希望我們這邊不要再去 |
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沒錯 但是你問題 你的改革我們沒有看到 已經三個月了都聽你的講而已啦 很厲害喔所以我們是一樣 你怎麼去追究 真正我們要的你要的 你是真的你說的 你現在你就是追究怎麼去追款我們要的具體的 好不好如果你說有了 你就是要準備怎麼樣去幫我們不是要 |
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看到你的你不追回 你還要用說準備用我們人民的血汗錢幫你去還債這個就是你的改革 你的改革 話又很大聲但是呢 實際 這是在報復讓人民誰進發 |
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現在我希望你要提出最具體的立即追回不准規定還有嚴懲的到底部長你能做到嗎就是要兌現你對人民的承諾所以你現在你能做到嗎不用再去說審計部你能不能做到把這筆錢追回才是你要承諾的事情 |
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這七千多萬就是來自審計部的報告所以我們從頭到尾都按照審計部不是要做報告你如何來去追回不是用我們人民的血汗錢來拔你那些坑不是這樣子的所以我們希望我們來的是解決問題不是來給你欺騙別人啦我以為你說 說得最難傳播但是要沒辦法 |
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我們要的是實質所以說這個部分我們希望的是實質承諾對我們人民要追回這個錢不是要去說省支部要說什麼錢這個部分你要真正的對人民承諾不用再跟我解釋第二個我要請問你的妳在質詢我妳叫我不要跟妳解釋 |
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你不用跟我解釋 你要對人民交代所以你說這題你要對人民交代是追回不要再去說那些對個人責任的部分我們會配合檢調配合司法來做個人責任的追究甚至是追討我希望你要去真實的我不用跟你解釋我時間有限你已經在浪費我的時間了你沒有回答真正的問題你沒辦法去承諾你就直接說承諾就好了回答那麼多幹嘛你浪費我的時間 你要把時間 |
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我們都按照審計部的相關的要求辦理我要問第二題了 |
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他沒有對我承諾所以他浪費我時間可以停止我時間沒有他要賠我時間好 近期我們喬生在台灣流血的制度所以要怎麼樣去包裝成為以補我們勞動力的缺口的替代品就像說不開放移工的李樹葉 |
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現在呢卻已經我們的僑生還有說我們東南亞的外籍實習生以實習的名義實際上卻變成就是補充我們臺灣勞動力的短缺的救急稻草 |
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所以當這些僑生還有外籍生實際成為勞動力的時候我們產生的實習與工作邊緣模糊的情況勞動部有跟我們僑委會共同去針對這些實習生還有場域的監督查訪還有有沒有明確實習生與工作的界邊 |
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界限的範疇內回答一下關於僑生的部分主管機關是教育部跟僑委會 |
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我問你的不是說你跟他怎麼樣我跟你的是問你的說你們的監督犬現在是實習生實習生變成是一個就是廉價的勞動所以我們要問你的是在這樣子的實習的時候我們沒有開放移工但是呢在服務業的時候勞動部是否就是 |
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默認就是企業以僑生實習的方式就是變相的雇用如何確保這些實習生的有沒有符合勞動的基準法中的用於技術生的規範與權益我問了他們的工作的權益 |
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因為喬生他是一個學生的身份學生的身份他做實習實習的部分確實主管機關是教育部然後喬也會來協助那如果喬生畢業了以後他要留台工作這個部分就會是勞動部主管的部分 |
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我問東你講西所以說你完全你不是專業嗎我問的是說現在的實習生實習生就是就是現在他們在這邊做的時候業者違法批用實習生申請了管道或者他的保障 |
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有沒有對他們有幫助事實他來讀書是一回事但是他既在實習在工作的時候是你在管啥的所以說在關你這個你都沒有去管事實習的部分還是教育部在主管的 |
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在勞動基準中基準法中他使用技術生來的就放回來去用的權利他還是在勞勞這邊的你不用再去講那個那個不是他讀書的是教育不管 |
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僑生是他來讀書的管 這工作是你管的很簡單的事情 你就回答五三三所以說我們希望這個比例 還有他的實習的時數產學合一 他們已經簽了 但是實習的時數還有實習的品質 或者真的是他的實習嗎還是就是變成打工 |
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我們要的是說你今天要去讀書要真正的讀書還是來做工作我們希望說在工作他是實習但是會不會變成是廉價的勞工所以我們希望要爭取人才留在台灣所以希望說目前我們的學生在台灣有保障所以才要去問你但是你一問三不知但是再來我再問你的這個不知道你懂不懂 |
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這個我沒有疑問三不知我還是要再說明一次學生的實習這部分不是勞動部主管的沒有勞動部主管是你在主管的因為他一定要有工作時數時數的時候就是你在管的 |
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所以呢他是有打工的時候是你在管的所以我才問你有沒有管到就完全你沒有在管所以你不知道所以第二個我在問你的是說我們就強調說我們應該爭取人才留在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
801.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
818.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
但是目前我們僑生畢業後呢留在台灣找工作一年可以延長到兩年但是呢在這個工作時間找工作的時間他們完全不能做任何的工作所以對他們來說是不是可以放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
822.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
843.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
讓這個喬生他在找工作畢業後這兩年是不是有一些他可以去接案就是比較特定的類別就是自媒體啊 社企啊 文創啊有沒有考慮放寬讓這個喬生在找工作的時間他有接這樣子的案不能說我找工作兩年沒辦法做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
854.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
867.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
如果喬生已經畢業了他找工作的階段我們確實有在思考怎麼樣擴大喬生可以留在台灣工作的可能性包括其實讓他相關的工作的許可能夠放得更寬鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
868.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
893.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那這部分我們確實有在這個相關的政策有在研議中但是我這邊指的是喬森已經畢業以後他進入到找工作的這個階段但是實習的部分還是不在我說的範圍裡那我就問東流一些喔我知道說范寬斯說他的資本額是企業的我問的是這兩年在找工作的時間他規定上是不能去工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
893.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
898.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
但是在這兩年什麼都不能做,他在找工作很辛苦,什麼都不能做,是不是放寬讓他們有可以做一些接單的或者是說自媒體的設計的文創的,所以說考慮就是特定類別,跟特殊的知道嗎,不是說什麼都可以做, |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
942.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
所以呢 但我說的就是關於相關的工作許可的放寬我講的是畢業後放寬跟他這兩年不一樣不一樣啦 你真的跳沒有啦所以呢 你也不知道啦所以說 這是我們現在要跟你我們希望你要去瞭解我們喬森也是老闆這邊的實施人員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
949.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
950.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
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