| IVOD_ID |
160968 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160968 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-06T14:30:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-06T14:46:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db1f27f750492026d412fc116854e00c5a34676b63038810cb3b2a0ceb296cfc10497944ed0372c35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:28 - 14:46:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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賴世保委員請準備報言會現在在我們一場二樓旁邊來自東吳大學政治系的同學們熱情歡迎你們 我們掌聲歡迎好 謝謝院長 請卓院長勞動部紅部長麻煩請卓院長勞動部備選 |
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好 院長最近辛苦了大家都辛苦了台灣政紅全球的關稅還有國內的政治紛爭這等等可以說啊蠟燭兩頭燒啦那感同身受也了解院長你的辛勞 |
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那我還是要建議院長要拋開政治 |
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多了解民生還有給你一個建議先安內再攬外未來因為台灣要往前走我也知道 院長你是想要做事但是全球這整個打壓以及大罷免等等這些讓你確確實實左院長是真的蠟燭量多少但是我還是 |
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要給你一個免利你的辛苦當然為了台灣人民要往前走這一點我想 院長你同意吧謝謝委員 只要內部能夠安定我們就有全民的力量可以往外走所以我也希望支持我們現在提出的特別條例一起為產業做支持 讓人民安心我一向啊 我們都非常理性的 |
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該支持的我們會支持不該支持的我們會堅持到底這是我特別跟院長說明一下另外一個當然我問這個話題也就是身為勞工經濟部長 |
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他講如果看不下去就可以離開這種說法身為一個勞工我還有了解地方勞工的心聲我坦白講緩談之大特別下情善打讓卓院長了解這些 |
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我說從卓院長執政到現在你講話從來沒有這樣挑釁不尊重勞工的 沒有可是我沒有想到一個資方的經濟部長他會講這種話說實在我感覺到非常難過跟非常可悲但院長我為什麼要下請上達 |
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這個就要特別讓你留意當然不是你叫他這樣講可是確實會影響整個勞工這些士氣跟對我們政府走內閣的看法所以我不曉得 左院長你認為他講這句話 妥當 不妥當 |
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這句話國務部長講出之後已經引起社會的注意也很多勞工朋友一定會感受到受到尊重所以我跟國務部長有談過我們馬上總之結束之後馬上會利用適當的時間儘快去跟勞工朋友表達我們具體的關心以及對國營事業同仁夥伴們 |
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我們用拒絕行動來支持他們謝謝委員的提醒這點啊因為卓院長你知道他你的內閣講錯一句話帳是算在你這裡但是卓院長講錯一句話是把帳算到賴總統所以要特別耶穌小心 |
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既然立法委員理性提醒你這些我希望卓院長要刻不容緩 盡是地讓勞工釋懷或許他是無意但是人家聽者有心所以這些我身為一個勞工我要代替一千多萬的勞工跟郭部長抗議這些這叫做什麼 灌勞板 |
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這不好的燕子我是良心的建議啦另外一個啊我就感覺到很奇怪郭部長啊他問題一大堆那最近他又請AIT吃飯的時候這裡面有兩個問題現在大家都在吵啊 |
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那你沒有你就要講清楚啊那做的事情我剛才已經講過卓院長你是要蓋瓜成熟現在人家就把所有格言裡面所作所為都把它記到 |
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郭部長那郭部長他這種做法他到底是自用工會請AIT或者他自己掏腰包現在都講不清楚現在勞工也一直在講你起床也問卓院長他對這件事情什麼看法如果是自己 |
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他自己出錢那你也拿出來講清楚不要讓勞工都覺得郭志輝已經灌老闆了那然後灌老闆就應該這樣嗎所以我是覺得我還是要第二個建議我們卓院長 |
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有就有 沒有就沒有該解釋的要把花票講清楚說明白不要經濟服務講一套他自己講一套但是不要忘了郭部長的長官就是卓院長那卓院長你要不要把這件事情把它理清楚也不要產生勞工跟各界對他有一種誤解我蠻擔心的 |
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當然部長可以隨時走可是卓院長不要忘記你現在是中華民國最高的行政所長不能因為你的格言這樣來害到你對這件事情的執政的負面院長你認為怎麼樣根據週刊報導裡面有提到郭部長也有說明他對外有說明 |
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如果那個參會的費用是郭部長自己來支應的話那我想就沒有什麼特別的問題他已經對外這麼說明過了好 院長你願不願意把這件事情把它釐清楚讓各界 讓勞工不要把它說我的灌勞榜又出逼囉 院長 |
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你很多事情是有所為有所不為啦 |
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這個我是第二個特別跟你建議啦 |
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那另外一個我可能就要跟你談現在勞工的這些勞保福利的問題我們要感謝左院長執政的時候民進黨執政的時候連續幾年來確實在撥補方面以及該做的你們都有做 |
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所以大家鬧得風風雨雨啊也就是勞保破產的問題在你們撥補的情況之下確實是延後很多可是整個這些架構的問題還是要改善所以我在這裡很簡單直接就特別請教我們卓院長到底你對於撥補有在做 |
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那勞保條例的66條是把它加上去法定撥補但是在這裡 院長我們沒有要你固定要撥補多少就是沒人要撥補但是69條 |
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69條就是政府你曾經講過很多次政府要負起這個責任有沒有可能就讓勞工很明確的就是入伙那本席也跟幾位我們同事都已經有提66條的修訂就是固定法定要撥補撥補多少金額由行政院去做決定 |
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第二個69條就是確定給付也就是政府要確定給付這已經幾十年來修華當中都認為小事可是這一千一百多個勞工的情況之下給他一個入華的保障這是對勞工是一個安定的院長你針對這些你有什麼看法 |
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修法的問題請部長說明我跟委員報告過去幾年來我們包括疫後的特別條例一共撥補勞保3800億我想從以前到現在到以後歷任的執政者都不會把勞工的問題置之不理 |
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我們都會把勞工當作國家重要的資產我們對勞保的最終條件每一任的政府未來也是一樣一定會承擔起來修法的問題部長可以說明我的理由很簡單你同不同意入華保障所有的勞工我跟委員報告 |
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勞保是國家來辦的社會保險所以不管入不入法政府都會來負擔最終責任是 好那我們也會來視政府的財政狀況來持續的辦理撥補那我知道委員其實也有提案就是說關於最終責任的入法的部分我們是覺得這部分第一個是尊重第二個我們也覺得是可以有討論的空間是 來 燕子 |
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一句話 你反對入華以否我只要你聽你這句話因為你們本來都有在做啊 |
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不管未來是誰執政你只是對勞工有保障但是 院長我特別要提醒你從來的行政院長認為這都是小事但是我必須要跟院長建議以重心長勞工需要的就是法令的保障他知道你們有在做但是你同不同意入法的當中同不同意 |
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入法可以一步一步的來研議但是我跟委員報告政府跟勞工的關係這種終身的保障 |
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我只在乎一張契約你們不會放棄對不對我只不在乎一張契約這個契約很重要我們終身保證職位老公要的不多老公是一個寶藏跟一個肝臟這個當然你們都有在做啦都具體做到所以這些東西當然是替勞工去爭取這些入華是對他們一個寶藏 |
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保障因為你們都有在做確實你們也有在做這個我到哪邊跟勞工宣導我說不管任何一個政黨民進黨有做的我就支持他民進黨沒有做的我當然批評他可是院長我已經跟你講這件事情你們有做我到哪邊宣導我就跟他講民進黨在執政的時候撥補是撥補給其他政黨還多這個我都幫你們講話你可以去問勞工啊 |
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所以 院長 我希望你不要阻擋這些入法這些入法對勞工是只有一個防範用法律概念 我們的意識實現已經一定一直在實現這點我不要跟你辯論我也不會懷疑 我們一定有這樣的心 |
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所以修法的問題 入法的問題可以慢慢去研究但是我們每年該做的會一定把它做到從過去到現在都如此這個入法 這個入法是對勞工一個切身的保障其實你們有在做 你們怕什麼入法 |
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這個也跟中華民國的任何權利都沒有關這是勞工的權利所以這點我要建議這個卓院長在這個部分你要很明確的來支持因為修法當然有一定步驟也不是說今天馬上做就馬上做但是我不希望行政單位來反對這個就不好啦這個就不好所以卓院長好另外一個我想那個 |
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其實警消組工會啊這個是一個大問題但是這裡面有兩點一就是罷工前二就是植栽的確保在這個部分我還是希望卓院長 |
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每天這樣吵倒不如好好研究一下所以過去教師也是不能組工會那那個時候我很清楚到最後他們沒有罷工錢當然這裡面有一部分的人是公務人員是用公務人員服務法這個都可以談所以我還是要拜託卓院長在這個 |
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確確實實 主公會並非洪水猛獸所以好好去談一下不要踩得那麼硬 我在想洪部長 你站在保障勞工的立場你也不會反對 但是確實這裡面有很多值得大家去商討的大家去商討 所以我還是再度建議 卓院長在這個部分就大家要共同跨部會的去研究 到底 |
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成立以否有什麼利弊要去做分析以現在政府的心態他好像主公會就是洪水門座這沒有必要的我們說實在這沒必要這些東西都是我們內政我們內部的問題所以都沒有牽涉從警消人員的福利我們來加強著手 |
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那麼景蕭因為他是有公法上特殊的職務關係我們希望如果能夠走協會的方式一同來並同協會現在就有嘛協會就沒有華澤嘛來強化協會的功能這個是目前認為比較可行那些穩定社會的必須我是以重心長 |
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在這個部分就是公務人員服務法以及工會勞動商法這兩者之間當然還有一件但是我建議你就大家坐下來好好談這樣總是有一天會解決那大多數的聲音是認為說保持現狀那這個也是一個解決之道啊 |
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不要每一次就覺得我們卓內閣都是在反對這一點我是真的啦但是請委員協助我們好好地來溝通對啦 這個溝通一下才會解決啦好不好 院長好 部長好 謝謝林國成委員質詢謝謝卓院長 勞動部長備詢好 謝謝接下來登記第二號 第三號李昆哲 |