| IVOD_ID |
160962 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160962 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-06T11:41:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-06T11:56:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db1f27f7504920265b4cb580e5a5e44d5a34676b63038810cb3399728a108f89d6197b49c015b13e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:41:13 - 11:56:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請卓院長好,請卓院長Page黃委員好卓院長好,48跑次組的總諮詢之後我一個人登記在邁入今天的主題以前先確認一件事情昨天匯率的波動 |
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賴總統親上火線說明其中最值得大家關注的事情是賴總統承諾有關於匯率絕對不會成為台美接下來有關於關稅談判的範圍這件事情行政院會不會確實執行完全依照這個原則就先前談判的過程我們也是在確保國家利益未來也不會把匯率納入整個談判的範圍對不對 |
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上一次的談判沒有牽涉到涉及未來的不會把它納入範圍未來我們不敢在這裡斷言不敢在這邊斷言所以昨天賴總統講的是空話嗎未來什麼時候會談到什麼事情我們不敢在這裡斷言可是賴總統講得很清楚匯率不會成為台美有關於金茂談判的範圍這個事情現在卓院長改口了嗎 |
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這個是昨天賴總統講的啊他是說上一次的會談所以未來不排除有可能會在範圍是嗎我們沒有對未來做任何的想像現在果然關心的就是這件事情嘛匯率會不會成為台美接下來金牌談判的範圍不管未來談判是不是有我們現在針對匯率所以現在不敢承諾就對了嗎所以現在不敢承諾就對了嗎把事情說清楚就好了啦承諾不承諾的問題 |
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這未來的事情我現在就問嘛 你說過去沒有嘛那我說你可不可以承諾未來不會有你現在沒有辦法承諾 事情就這麼簡單嘛我有說錯嗎這不是一刀兩面的問題沒有關係啦 我相信齁今天剛剛左院長的說明啊把賴總統的意思講得非常清楚了 |
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賴總統有沒有做這樣的承諾全體國人可以去評判但有一件事情是非常清楚的我們會高度的掌握談判的過程會確保國家的利益主席是不是可以請院長等我問完問題再回答 |
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他這樣子一直插話恐怕不是很有禮貌吧我們相互尊重好不好好謝謝不過有一件事情賴總統應該是清楚的承諾啦2024總統大選以前賴總統承諾要針對有關於司法改革特別是司改國是會議接下來是不是有落實要建立一個常設性的司法改革委員會這個委員會什麼時候會成立 |
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世華改革是隨時在進行的我們對世華改革的過程我們也知道所以這個承諾有沒有人要履行也不知道我們會依照沒有期限因為這個部分不是單是行政院可以處理的我們必須跟司法院還有高度的沒有辦法因為我問不到賴總統所以我只能請教你這個是賴總統做的承諾白紙黑字有歷史紀錄毫無疑問屬於行政院的我們在法務部系統我們會就內部趕快來做更多的 |
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所以現在全體的國人沒有任何的機會可以請教我們的賴清德總統 |
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你選前承諾全民的常設性的司法改革委員會有沒有要履行有沒有要兌現現在大家不知道嘛卓院長也沒有辦法幫賴總統回答嘛是這樣嗎司法改革我們隨時都在改革都在進行是啊現在我在問的是政見要不要履行嘛政見要不要履行嘛政見要不要履行就是賴總統可以決定的我有說錯嗎這麼具體的事情到現在還在講空話 |
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賴總統選前所有的政見我們都一一在履行當中這個有履行嗎 設在哪裡清楚的跟國人講啊 大聲清楚跟國人講這個有履行嗎 設在哪裡這並非只有行政院的權責 我們還要尊重沒有關係 我接下來問行政院權責可以做的事情 兩公約第四次的國家報告什麼時候可以提出來兩公約第四次的國家報告絕對是行政院的權責什麼時候可以提出來 |
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如果我們原來有按定的時辰,我們就按照原來的時辰提出所以什麼時候要提出來我看看原來的時辰是什麼時候再跟委員報告你也不是很清楚喔你怎麼自己的施政報告自己都不熟啊我們如果有按到原來的時辰,我們就提出來這是你的施政報告我們就按照那個時辰提出來2025年6月要提出來 |
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會準時提出來嗎?我們如果有按照時程再宣布的話就按照時程提出來不是啦,你敢再寫在施政報告的內容你自己要清楚嘛要不然立委沒有信心啊現在都不知道這個施政報告是誰提出來的嘛我為什麼要特別問兩公約的國家人權報告因為我們花了很多納稅人的錢 |
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做國家報告找國際專家來審查但大家很困惑啊花了這麼多錢做國家報告找國際專家來審查真的有在落實嗎國際專家一而再戰而三質疑的事情行政院好像是言者遵遵聽者渺渺沒有落實也沒有關係啊我這樣講很抽象我現在邁入具體的事情2008年的時候 |
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賴清德總統那個時候時任民主進步黨立法院黨團幹事長他有沒有針對民進黨第一次執政的時候沒有修改極右惡法向台灣社會道歉有沒有你也不知道沒有關係我準備好了來賴清德代表民進黨黨團向社會大眾致歉廢除極右惡法持續撂票那個時候的賴清德講了多麼動人的一段話他說 |
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我要代表民主進步黨團向台灣社會大眾致歉過去我們主張報備制可是執政的時候沒有回應在野的訴求這是民進黨的不對 |
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我們現在雖然成為在野黨但是不能推諉謝哲現在的執政黨如果還是用以前的藉口當藉口就會步入過去執政黨的後塵我在此提出特別語重心長的呼籲這個語重心長的呼籲不是我說的是賴清德總統說的現在關鍵的問題來了針對自由二法這件事情行政院有要推動修正嗎 |
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目前我們沒有談論到這個話題目前沒有談論到這個話題好 那第二個問題我們目前的集會遊行二法有沒有違反公正公約 |
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這個我們花納稅的錢做國家人權報告的審查結論很清楚啊我們目前的集合二法有沒有違反公正公約公正公約我提醒卓院長已經成為國內法了而且具有優惠的效力有沒有違反公正公約我們的集合法依照我國的國情目前的執行現在狀況是如此有沒有違反公正公約如果有進一步的檢討的時候我們會廣聽社會大眾共同的意見哇你們廣聽社會大眾的意見非常久啦 |
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2008年的時候跟台灣社會道歉2025年的時候現在翻臉不認人啊現在我為什麼特別提出質詢這還不是喔這一點我不如委員這還不是喔把過去別人講的話記得那麼清楚對自己講的話也應該記得很清楚現在針對有關於政治承諾有沒有履行是一回事嗎有沒有違反法律的規定是另外一回事嗎 |
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我說啦拿了納稅人的錢做了國家人權的審查報告找了國際的專家來審查最後的結論是什麼來我帶卓院長複習一下公正公約第21條的規定第一次的國家人權報告我們目前的勤惠遊行法違反公正公約第21條的規定許可制應該改成報配制禁制區要重新的檢討 |
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自由法29條的刑罰違反公正公約21條的規定這都不是我說的這是我們的國家報告說的我們國家報告早就說了這件事啊我們花了納稅人的錢從民進黨2017年開始做第一次的國際審查報告2017年做國際審查報告的時候國際專家就在問啊他說你們 |
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第一次的國家報告就承認違反公正公約你們承認違反公正公約又沒有要修法現在是在做什麼找國際專家來審查有何意義沒有意義啊自己的報告說違反公正公約國際專家問什麼時候要改我們的政府雙手一攤現在沒有要推動是這樣嗎 |
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是這樣嗎這個委員關心的這些的問題齁那個第四次的國家審查報告是在下個月就會出來了那我想這部分應該有第二次的國家審查報告第三次的國家審查報告我剛所講的國際專家的質疑有說錯嗎這國家專家的質疑這部分我們會做一個檢討嘛會做一個檢討 對嘛所以我現在的問題就來了嘛 |
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防務部部長說的正正有詞我們會檢討我現在的問題就來了從2017年檢討到現在 |
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從2017年檢討到現在我有說錯嗎所以從2017年廣納到現在喔從2017年廣納到2025年喔是不是要廣納到2032年你們當初在回應國際審查專家的時候是說什麼這要廣納社會意見啊違反公正公約那我們就違反那要不然你要怎麼樣 |
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是這種態度嗎是這種態度嗎委員 至少我們承認當初說過的話我們不會否認我們過去說過的話是啊然後呢 但是你沒有要做啊已經在檢討啊從2017年檢討到現在繼續檢討來 我告訴你國際審查專家講什麼講說到底是出於什麼原因還沒有修訂為什麼沒有修 |
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這是2021年第三次國際審查的時候所提出來的第二次做國家報告做國際審查的時候花了多少錢?部長知不知道?這不能那個...花了多少錢?這個我沒有資料沒關係我告訴你花了614萬第三次找國際專家來花了多少錢知不知道?你也沒有資料沒關係我都幫你準備好了783萬 |
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每一次花納稅人的錢花幾百萬花了以後找國際審查專家來大拜拜拜拜完了出了報告報告告訴你該修沒有修這個我不會同意委員說講什麼大拜拜啦 |
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對嘛 如果不是大霸敗的話國際審查專家問的問題你們當初在回應的時候是像你今天在這邊這樣子的態度嗎是不是嘛你當初在回應國際審查專家的時候要不要把你今天在這邊回應記錄的話老老實實的第四次國際審查的時候就把你今天的話老老實實的告訴國際審查專家 |
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我民進黨政府就是這個態度就是沒有要修嘛那要不然你要怎麼樣不是嗎來 再來洩密給外國跟洩密給中國中華人民共和國對台灣的國家安全造成極大的威脅一天到晚在恐嚇台灣要侵略台灣的就中華人民共和國非常可惡 |
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洩密給中華人民共和國相較於要洩密給其他外國應該要加重處罰院長贊不贊成部長我問過他了啦他的答案在立法院裡面都有記錄但我沒有機會問你來 請院長請院長對不起 主席請你制止部長現在我在請教的是院長部長在旁邊一直插話這樣不好嗎請院長回覆 |
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跟委員說明 泄密本身是一個行為泄密給任何一個人 我覺得他不應該有太大的差距尤其是如果泄密給一個敵境外的敵對勢力 他應該加重對嘛 泄密給境外敵對勢力應該要加重嘛我要的就是這個態度嘛因為我覺得很奇怪 |
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我從很早以前,第一次當立委的時候,國家精密保護法我提案,泄密給中國就要加重處罰結果那時候跳出來反對的叫邱泰山修國安法的時候我又再主張一次,跳出來反對的是柯建民現在民進黨政府,說要從國安無法到國安實法 |
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其中國家安全法很重要就國家安全法的部分目前沒有任何行政院的版本行政院會不會提版本行政院會不會提版本因為國家安全很重要嘛國家安全法現在有漏洞嘛要把它補起來嘛但我們現在在內政委員會審的時候我沒有看到行政院的版本行政院會不會提版本因為委員有提了相當多的版本朝野黨團的委員朝野各委員有提相當多的版本 |
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如果這個版本綜合起來到最後我們認為跟行政院的原來的構思想法跟設計是差不多一樣的話我們可以就這個版本來做討論好 針對目前民進黨立委所提出來的版本有哪一個版本針對洩密給中國提高刑度相較其他國家更重的有哪一個版本有這樣的設計這個黨團還在討論當中現在黨團還在討論 沒有啊現在所提出來的版本已經境內政委會審查啦 |
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審查就是一個討論的過程所以現在在審查裡面的版本有哪一個版本有針對中國有提高處罰的審查就是一個討論的過程是啊 所以我問你嘛有哪一個版本有針對泄密給中國相較於其他外國有更重刑度的有嗎沒有的話就可以再來檢討要如何來改善經濟所以我才問嘛你行政院要不要提版本出來事情就這麼簡單啊第三個事情 |
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針對有關於棄保潛逃、妨礙司法公正在你的施政報告裡面也有寫我相信院長應該對自己的施政報告很清楚我每次問法務部棄保潛逃、妨礙司法公正那個時候所做的承諾到底什麼時候要提院板出來法務部永遠都是說他們已經提給行政院行政院什麼時候會提 |
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這就是真的內容氣保檢討司法官說等等恐嚇證人相關的刑責對張我們現在我希望我們盡快如果盡快是什麼時候這個我曾經想過好謝謝 |