| IVOD_ID |
160956 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160956 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-06T09:16:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-06T09:32:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db1f27f750492026bc80e804e8f76e205a34676b63038810f012da86b99b57b73f69a6de72969f305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:43 - 09:32:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長備詢公務員好 |
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院長早安 院長 院長記得上次在我們經濟組總質詢的時候本席有跟您表達善意 就是對於去年的這個風災本席向中央爭取台東農產全品項的這個災損救助還有旅宿業者的店家動漲後來行政院也確實聽見我們地方的聲音我想這是行政院跟立法委員之間一個非常理想的互動的方式 |
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那這一次本席在交通組總質詢一開始想要先跟院長分享一首詩做一個善意的引言這邊也分享給所有我們中央部會的首長這首詩是余光忠先生所寫的《台東》本席讀其中的幾段給院長聽城市比台北是矮一點天比台北卻高得多燈比台北是淡一點心比台北卻亮得多 |
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人比西岸是西一點 山比西岸勸密得多港比西岸是小一點 海比西岸卻大得多報紙送到是晚一點 太陽起來卻早得多無論地球怎麼轉 台東永遠在前面 |
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我想這首詩是對台東人來說感觸特別的深厚雖然台東比較遠人比較少不過台東擁有全台灣最美麗的海岸線我想這裡的人也非常的緩解溫暖最重要的是台東人的和善絕對不代表台東人好起伏那對本席而言這首詩的最後兩句就是無論地球怎麼轉台東永遠在前面這就是我從政的初衷只要是為了台東好的事情我一定全力以赴 |
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我也不怕得罪任何人這也是先前東海岸風電開發案本席一再要求院長跟各部會首長一定要全力阻止跟嚴審因為我絕對不允許 |
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未經共識的開發案破壞我們台東美麗的環境我們的家園也絕對不允許任何外力破壞台東這片團結善良的家園那今天質詢的一開始本席要先把握機會跟院長反映一件台東重要的時事就是現在是我們鬼頭島的這個漁訓期那但是有很多漁民朋友都跟我反映那國防部公告在五月份在台東屏東一帶的外海有許多這個實彈射擊的演習 |
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那演習期間因為海域的管制 漁民沒有辦法出海捕魚那這對當地漁民是一個很大的衝擊原來整條都有經營能蓋這個漁訊期就是4月到6月還有9月到11月那其中又以4月到6月的漁獲量最多但光是5月受到演習影響的時間就恐怕高達半個月之久那本席要表達的是說國防自主能力是捍衛國家安全的重要基礎本席絕對支持 |
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但是這幾年密集的在我們東部海域進行的這個實彈射擊造成漁民生氣很大很大的影響我們例如在2022年光是一到五月中科院跟國軍在台東外海射擊演訓的時間就超過了五十天這引發地方劇烈的反彈那國防部後來也承諾說未來演習會避開漁訓期 |
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那延後到六月到七月那同時也說會編列這個敦青木林的基金齁那但是為什麼現在漁民很懷疑說有時候你國防部之前還要選擇五個月份魚仔回去蒸來這裡延伸齁這很多漁民會認為國防部說話不算話那另外還有多漁民反映說國防部所謂的這個基金齁漁民根本拿不到這個實質的補貼啦齁所以在這裡本縣要向議員們來表達的是說臺灣的漁民絕對管理配合般的國防 |
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但是國家也要給漁民條活路所以因此我要請院長才是請國防部務必遵守當時的承諾超延的時間避開漁訊期才不會衝擊我們當地的這個產業那如果對於產業造成的衝擊也必須要給受影響的這個從業人員必要的補貼請問院長是不是可以做得到 |
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首先謝謝委員一開始針對國家安全國防需求的支持這我們的心情都一樣第二就是國防部他一定有整年度的所謂演習各種的規劃那目前很多的規劃也要因應對岸時常對我們時不時有計劃沒計劃有公告沒公告定期不定期的各種演訓但是我承諾我會跟國防部去了解跟要求在保護漁民的 |
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魚訊期的過程當中應該事先做好整年的規劃事發生之前要做事中要做好跟漁民的溝通事後有任何的補償、賠償的問題一定要確實落實謝謝院長因為其實這個是漁民是很疑惑是說東西都說好了你才知道後悔四月到六月是魚要大出的時候你這個時候再來延伸我聽說過去檢討這個事情謝謝院長 |
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接下來本席來跟針對台東重大的交通跟公共議題來跟院長還有部長來進行討論首先本席有看到台鐵宣布配合小清水溪的這個橋改建的工程完工樹林到台東之間要增加增開兩班這個自強號的列車那東部鐵路量能提升當然是好事情但關鍵的是小清水溪橋就是因為先前颱風被土石流沖斷所以才需要進一步改建 |
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尤其是可見我們東部的鐵路非常非常的脆弱而現在所謂的增加班次其實也只是逐步恢復到過去的這個量能尤其是現在這個增加的這兩班都是中午時間才發生這對我們台東居民這個通勤啊就醫工作需求有點幫助其實是有限那其實除了到台北之外台東到高雄的這個往返列車也是相新急迫的這個需求那經常因為 |
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要到高雄就診或是工作因為我們早班的車太少導致民眾必須提前一天去高雄或者又因為晚班的車趕不上需要多留一天在高雄隔天再去醫院就醫這樣一來一往會增加一到兩天的住宿費的負擔這是非常沉重的一個負擔一直本期具體的要求 |
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增加我們台東往返高雄的這個清晨與深夜的班次我想這有助於民眾到高雄就醫或是工作能夠當日往返降低我們交通的時間跟成本也降低衍生的這個住宿的成本強化我們醫療就醫就診交通的這個可靜性也安排時間讓安排時間更有具有彈性性讓我們照顧我們台東人這個行的正義請問部長這邊是不是可以承諾來研議這個部分 |
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報告委員這個部分確實對台東的鄉親來說其實往南走到高雄是比較近的不管是就醫或就學那這個部分需求確實在那我們會來研議這個班次看怎麼調整不過現在最關鍵的其實是南回的整個路線的改善因為很多的路段目前是單軌委員應該非常清楚 |
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因為是單軌所以他這個車輛的數目沒有辦法大幅的來提升所以南回的軌道的建設我們一樣會往前推進那另外委員剛剛所交代的就是說車次的調整我們來想辦法 |
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謝謝部長承諾願意來研議這件事情那接下來我們就是談到台鐵就是談我們台鐵票價的部分上次在總諮詢的時候院長也有承諾本席說會請交通部盡快的來研議我們華東專屬優惠票價的部分那在隔週交通委員會的時候陳部長也有承諾本席五月底之前會提出 |
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那目前從我們中央社的這個街頭的資訊來看中央部規劃的方案仍然是只有會員制點數加倍那本席簡單的換算一下按照現在目前我們台鐵會員折抵的方式是每消費50元累積1點 |
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兩點折一元就是說等於每消費一百塊才能折抵一元那就是一趴的回饋金那你即便未來花東加倍也就只有兩趴的回饋但問題是這一次的票價調整台北到台東之前還有單趟就漲了一百五十三元來回就是三百零六元 |
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那如果依照我們現行台鐵規劃的花東優惠方案,有兩個嚴重的問題,第一個就是說,用台北到台東來回自強號來換算,你消費金額大概只能折18.7元,你用19塊去算就好了,跟你來回票價調漲306塊來比起來真的是杯水車薪。第二個其實很多長者根本不會使用智慧型手機, |
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這樣要怎麼去累積點數甚至去折扣這個票價這是本席發現這兩個問題因此從目前台鐵的這個方案來看所謂的優惠恐怕讓花東的居民是無感那也恐怕看得到吃不到那請問院長你覺得目前這樣的優惠方案難道對於東部交通弱勢地位而言是足夠的嗎部長詳細說明部長的方案報告委員您所聽到的加倍送不是只有一倍是好幾倍 |
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你一百塊跟一塊錢對 但是它好幾倍的狀況不會像你所說的只有百分之二不會這麼少這個是台鐵提出來的優惠方案沒有 我覺得你所聽到的加倍但那個倍不是一倍有可能是四倍 可能是五倍因為行政院院長有特別交代說第一要對花東的鄉親要多一些優惠第二我們希望平日跟假日要有彈性所以我們平日的優惠又會更多 |
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謝謝部長的說明部長其實我們在委員會已經討論過這件事還有第二個就是所謂連長者怎麼去使用這個部分都是還是要克服這個部分其實台鐵都有在研議如果到櫃台找我們的同仁他也會幫長者來服務這個會員的連長者都可以克服的 |
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院長,本席為什麼要不斷地爭取花東專屬票價的優惠跟折扣?就是因為你跟西部比起來,西部多元的大空交通工具比起來東部基本上就只有鐵路啦,不然就是昂貴的飛機票更關鍵的是東部的鐵路受到天災影響的敏感度非常高嘛 |
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在安全性上你跟西部比遠遠不足嘛那現在你要用一樣的票價的方式來算我想這東部人不會接受啦這個就是本席為什麼一直提齁那因為我記得好幾個月前本席就呼籲中央說要用花東基金的專款專用的補貼方式給你花東居民的優惠票價那先前本席質詢國發會主委還有城市港部長的時候你們也認為這是可行的方向對吧 |
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那甚至在前兩天連民進黨的委員都呼籲本席的說法認為應該用花東基金來補貼嘛那非常一樣我們交通部現在都還沒有任何具體的作為那本席其實有掌握到其實交通部內部確實有來討論這件事情花東基金給予票價的折扣是一個可行的方向但問題現在是聽說卡在系統來不及跟上我想這個說法本席都沒辦法接受 |
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因為票價你是從二月就規劃要調漲那過去三個月呢難道沒有任何預先的這個配套的準備這部分我請陳部長你必須要扛起責任勇於任事本席在這邊也提出兩個具體的要求請組委員長來採釋第一個交通部必須在台鐵新票價上路之前 |
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規劃好花東優惠票價的方案並且要直接補貼或者是折扣而不是只有民眾無感的會員制點數優惠第二個 交通部必須立刻與國發會來開會討論有關花東基金補貼的事宜並進行提案申請然後作為未來穩定的裁員請院長回應 而且也要請我們相關部會一週內把相關的資料提供到本席的辦公室 院長 |
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謝謝委員 西部的交通選項比較多東部比較少所以我們當然是記憶這樣的一個利基點所以我也請交通部能夠對東部的鄉親做這些票價上面的另外的想法不要說委員 剛剛你如果委員所說只有2%不要說委員來你接受我也覺得不甚合理但是我所知道交通部現在在研擬的絕對不是這個方案給他們一點時間那麼這個一定會在6月 |
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調價之前一定會把這個方案完全確定而且沒有所謂系統銜接的上銜接不上的問題一定要開始適用這個跟委員保證謝謝院長也謝謝部長其實我們本席跟部長的互動其實都很好因為部長也真的夠了解到東部的交通的這個先天的不足的問題那這邊要請部長這邊盡快來演繹那另外講到的道路就是 |
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交通才就是道路的問題喔那一條安全回家的路是台東是東部人數十年來最基本的要求花東快也是當年賴清德總統的競選承諾那就在去年本席跟黨黨立委的共同努力下立法院終於通過了組決議要求交通部盡速推動花東快速公路的興建但非常遺憾上一次我在交通委員會跟陳市長部長您討論花東快可行性評估進度的時候您竟然當面跟我說經濟效益確實 |
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這不就是坐實了之前媒體所說的花東快被推薦的原因就是因為交通部認為經濟效益低嘛那部長的說法東部人絕對沒有辦法接受因為西部這麼多條的快速道路難道每一條的經濟效益都很高嗎更何況現在台中是連一條我連一條都沒有 |
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因此這絕對不應該是政府的理由安全才是最重要的主席長、陳部長本席要很嚴肅的跟兩位表達生命的價值絕對不能用金錢來衡量花蓉花園對東部人的意義就是要挽救無價的這個生命這件事情不是政治議題這個是攸關數十萬東部鄉親生命 |
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安全的民生議題請重要一定要正視不要再把台東當二等公民那現在台九縣一旦發生緊急醫療事件即便救護車全數的搶救也常常因為會錯過黃金救援時間造成太多這個無辜生命因為漫長的交通時間而失去那這就是為什麼台東人要這麼在意發動快我認為我們台東人的命要比我長 |
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經濟效益的評估 當然是 |
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既然有志啦但是我是覺得如果從一小段來看他的效益或許有限如果放大整個台灣我們你要看整個台灣形成一個有效的鐵道系統的話他不只是經濟效益對台灣整體的國家的運量是極然增加的所以我是希望交通部能夠持續的去研議這個事情謝謝院長的承諾 謝謝院長那接下來在公共旅遊部分 |
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因為時間有限,我想之後再來跟我們院長跟部長 |