| IVOD_ID |
160941 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160941 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-02T16:34:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-02T16:50:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a4532f731e18a3f646448ad2be5fae07d65e820d1de88fa542f8e2479a48f559d511c68266aedb1d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:34:56 - 16:50:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢要交通部長備詢嗎先不用 待會兒第二題參議員好 院長好您辛苦了 已經接近尾聲我想在今天大院總諮詢結束之前我先來跟您詢個假 |
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先跟您詢個價就是說如果呢這個政府如果要放一桶55加侖的核廢料到院長家裡那請問院長想要怎麼收租你才願意讓這一桶放在你家核廢料就是蘭嶼那個規格大罐頭55加侖一桶我不要多一桶就好了我不敢收租因為我同意我隔壁也不會同意 |
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所以這根本就是很困難的事情但是很不幸的從1982年開始當時的執政黨就是國民黨政府用美麗的謊言欺騙了達沃族人將10萬桶55加侖的核廢料大罐頭因為那時候騙說要蓋罐頭工廠 |
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所以這麼大的大罐頭核廢料存置在蘭嶼那43年過去了至今都沒有地方可以把它挪走那麼我想如此的傷害政府是怎麼賠都賠不完的那麼今天我身為台東的女兒也是原住民的孩子 |
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那我今天要在這裡替這個蘭嶼的居民以及我的族人同胞來討債那我想我先來討個健康債那麼如果說國民黨政府是很夭壽的但是現在我也要講說民進黨政府也不能跟著擺爛因為政府是一體的不管前面政府做了什麼今天我們還是要負起這個責任 |
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在2016年小英總統她代表政府為核廢料儲存在蘭嶼這件事情向達烏族人道歉了2020年的時候本席也陪同時任的賴清德副總統他現在是總統了我們一起到蘭嶼去視察看了當地的建設也關心了當地的醫療 |
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也跟當地的族人甚至齊老資政有很多的對話當時他也允諾了要提升蘭嶼的整個醫療資源而且也拍胸脯說我們政府就是要來解決問題的這些我都記得非常清楚也都有記錄下來衛福部也因此這幾年都逐步的在規劃蘭嶼醫療院所的建置 |
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我想這件事情讓我回想到2019年我們前行政院長蘇貞昌他到恆春去巡視的時候也看了恆春旅遊醫院因為太老舊了就需要重建所以地上八樓 地下一樓的規劃 |
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當時的蘇貞昌院長就非常霸氣的說這個國境之南這個醫院的重建就是要錢給錢 要人給人 經費無上限而且相關的設備 錢 人要一次到位 |
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我看到這個我真的非常的羨慕那今天我們再回到蘭嶼醫院院長院長的能力完全都不輸給這個蘇院長而且您的這個面相顯露出了這個滿滿的慈悲跟佛心 |
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所以我今天在這裡是不是可以就是說來拜託院長因為昨天我有在未還委員會質詢這件事情蘭嶼醫療院所分院的建制也露出曙光因為衛福部長邱太元他有答覆本席的質詢就是說 |
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蘭嶼的這個分院的這個興建計劃呢他們可以趕在就是說今年的10月跟來提出這個興建計劃可以抱怨那我是不是可以請院長可以就是也是很霸氣的說我們如果接到這個興建計劃我可以用最快的速度立刻來核定 |
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讓他通過因為畢竟這件事情從規劃到現在竟然規劃了六年了將近六年了所以我覺得已經給大家太多的時間了我們沒有理由再拖延院長首先向委員說明歷年的政府尤其當時興建核電廠是台灣國家政策經濟有需要 |
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所以我們當時對核電廠是接受的只是沒有辦法在對核廢料的處理的情況底下但是我們不能否定過去的努力那現在我們國家有更大的能力希望能夠處理這個問題第一個不要再擴大 |
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核廢料的問題第二個就現有的核廢料我們應該想出一個更好的方式那麼對蘭嶼地區的族人同胞我想政府要表達最大的歉意跟感謝如果沒有這樣的話國家這數十年來的經濟發展還是會受到局限的那現在我們回頭過來看看對蘭嶼這些族人同胞的健康我覺得第一個要讓他現在的健康狀況能夠得到很好的照顧所以定期的健康檢查是不是有落實再來醫院的部分 |
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我要進一步跟衛福部來了解 因為我所了解 |
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現在蘭嶼紅頭段的這個土地十五筆土地當中還有若干筆的土地取得是有困難的是不是在解決這個土地取得困難的情況能夠解決之後我們將蘭嶼醫院還有它的衛生所還有它的長照的分站能夠整合起來那我知道地方的計畫是一個三層樓只有20床的規劃而已這個對當地來講雖然是不大但是對意義是相當大的 |
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也可以解決交通問題不需要每件每次都要後送來這也是交通上危險的在基於這樣的理念之下我們先解決土地的問題再來整合三個單位合起來的問題我們再來找經費剛剛提到說這個恆春醫院當時蘇院長是很有把握的說經費不上限那麼如果這些問題解決之後政府也會籌編相當的經費來完成這個工作 |
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我想跟院長報告一下我有致電給這個蘭嶼鄉的鄉長那我想這個土地的取得我也看了那個圖目前大概就是兩筆占用的部分還有一筆小小的這個私人的我想這個部分因為 |
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蘭嶼的居民他們是相當期待這個醫院可以趕快來建制完成所以這個部分我想這個事情已經到今天這樣的一個地步其實是朝一個很正面的方向來 |
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發展只要大家有決心一起push這件事情我認為昨天他們敢在委員會提到十月份這個時間點那麼我覺得這個土地是可以排除困難的那另外就是說健檢的問題跟院長報告 |
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抱歉,從古到今天,我昨天用了一個比喻,叫做這個政府的健檢,給他們的健檢叫一夜情,就一天,然後在短短的這個四個月內就完成,就沒了。你如果沒有在那四個月去健檢,就沒有,就通通都沒了。 |
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那核廢料是一直不斷的儲存在蘭嶼它是持續的所以政府給這個當地居民的健檢怎麼可以只是一次性所以我本席的要求連同這個核廢料就是說它的這個健康風險的整個評估監測我們要持續的來做那甚至在醫院建置完成之前這些不足的這些醫療我們怎麼樣補強要一併編列經費先來 |
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先來做補救建檢這個項目我覺得我們不能夠長期把它忽略了我會責請衛福部立刻啟動這樣的需求跟實際上去執行經費上我們一定會想辦法來支應 |
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我今天另外一個重要議題就是我們要為花東居民爭取應有的交通正義從6月23日起台鐵票價即將調漲26.8%台北到台東的自強號的票價從783元暴增到936元來回一趟我們得多掏出306元 |
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這對長期仰賴這個鐵路的東部鄉親來說這個不僅是一個經濟上的負擔的加重更是一個我們生存權力的威脅那我們一條對台東人這一條回家的路怎麼可以成為一個很沉重的這個枷鎖 |
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所以我還要回顧一下我們的交通現實2023年4月25號是柴油列車這個駛過東部的最後一天那結束這數十年來花東居民共同的記憶這當中有人說我們台東的自強號跟西部的自強號是長得不一樣的因為我們 |
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我們在過山洞的時候它是有濃濃的柴油味我想至今那個濃濃的柴油味都在本席的腦海裡一直不斷地繚繞甚至本席的經驗我坐在火車裡靠著窗戶的時候竟然有數十隻的蟑螂向我的鐵路便當爬行而來 |
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這個都是真實的事件 真的令人很難忘懷再加上我們的至今沒有辦法全面雙軌化所以我們會車時間都比西部還長我講了這麼多 我們忍受了這麼多年今天我們唯一趕上的 |
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竟然好像是這個宣布票價要調漲我們卻趕上了這班加價的列車所以這部分我特別還要再提一件事情觀光對台中來講是很重要的事情我們這個經濟命脈 |
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那但是呢 這個觀光兩大成本一個是交通 一個是住宿那當時0403的那個大地震這個花蓮很嚴重那台東連帶受影響嘛那後來政府 感謝政府的補助這個住宿讓我們旅遊業這個從兩成又回到八成我們稍微得以這個喘息片刻但是呢 今天票價的調漲卻又把我們好像又再次推到這個家戶病房啦 |
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那這樣繼續下去 我看我們就直接推到太平間好了所以今天我要在這邊再講一下拜託 這個票價的問題你們是不是有什麼樣的方案可以來讓我們台東人在這個票價上得到一點正義的補償好 謝謝委員為東部的鄉親提醒政府注意到這個事情 |
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台鐵30年沒有調整票價所以我實在沒有辦法不同意我們做30年的柴油列車啊第一個我實在沒有辦法不同意台鐵交通部送出來這樣的調整的方案這請國人要能夠體諒再來我請陳部長去研究花東地區的台鐵票價調整之後是不是有一個花東的專案有充足的預算可以來支應這個請部長來說明 |
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報告委員我們針對花東的居民我們會有一個優惠的方案也都已經跟台鐵說好了就是說花東的居民會用實名制的方式然後會有這個會員的優惠的點數那優惠的點數等於就是現金可以折抵他的這個票價 |
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所以票價上面的漲幅其實會比其他的民眾相對來說是低一些那另外就是說尤其是你所居住的台東因為他地遠地簡所以他的漲幅也沒有像平均漲幅28%這麼高他大概是漲19%在台東的部分那如果再加上優惠的票價的話台東居民的優惠票價算起來其實漲幅不會想像中這麼高 |
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823.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
838.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
你不能看目前的漲幅啦因為你要計算我們那數十年的人壽啦那些忍耐那還有這個將就啦那我想至少它我們你們也提出一個比較具體的方案我想我回去也會再 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
839.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
857.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
再精算試算一下看看這樣到底合不合理那也非常感謝你們可以在這個時候提出一個比較具體的方案我想大家要正視這份這個歷史的欠帳那我最後一點時間我趕快來詢問一下就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
858.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
875.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
在台東卑南鄉山里隧道跟周邊活化計畫那當然這個也是地方我們鄉親非常關心的問題那在因為這個案子當時2020年11月23號提出可是也因為這個生態敏感地帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
877.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
905.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
有數百隻的這個蝙蝠棲息然後這個案子就因此停擺也非常遺憾那當時那個4月9號莊瑞雄委員有質詢的時候你們有承諾今年要啟動這個新的這個修正後的計畫但是沒有說明期程跟經費所以我今天特別再來槌尋一下我們這個案子到底在經費的編列上還有是怎麼樣然後什麼時候可以開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
907.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
928.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
動工期程大概多久請回答報告委員您與莊瑞雄委員都相當關心這個議題所以觀光署很努力在今年的11月份我們就會來開工我們總經費會有4000萬今年的11月份就會來開工那明年的年底之前就會完成整個串聯景觀的改善提升計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
929.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
947.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好謝謝那院長你應該也還沒去過吧那我們就擇日是不是擇日跟院長還有我們部長一起好到這個我們這個小黃山那邊去會勘一下好的我請部長來安排好來安排好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝陳營委員質詢謝謝卓院長交通部長 |