| IVOD_ID |
160913 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160913 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T13:09:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T13:27:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc0e0af575d5482a478f84b180731b6d6416503c301006583721a06a885b33e9f7b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:09:45 - 13:27:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員王育敏等18人擬具「病人自主權利法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、委員劉建國等16人擬具「病人自主權利法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員邱志偉等19人擬具「病人自主權利法第八條、第九條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
【僅詢答】
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,我慢慢請那個邱部長還有林青鳳執行長跟社家署的組長部長好,等一下不好意思,那個社...對阿,你是...蛤?喔,趙護士,抱歉趙護士,護士長那你社家署先... |
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部長我先請教,你大概多久健檢一次?兩年 |
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兩年 還可以 那個執行長呢也是兩年 那個我們副市長呢也是兩年 你們都還蠻標準的那如果我這樣請教 如果你們住在十萬桶的核廢料旁邊你們覺得你要多久見檢一次十萬桶的核廢料旁邊你幾歲人可能每天都會有點緊張 |
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會想要多健檢幾次嗎還是標準就好了一定會頻率想要高一點頻率想要高一點那我再請教就是從1982年從這個核廢料儲存在蘭嶼那政府幫蘭嶼的這個居民健檢幾次1982年 |
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這個數目有沒有對啊你如果兩年一次的話或者我說政府應該要幫忙他們健檢幾次但卻健檢了幾次我跟委員報告就是說10708年是有針對全對沒錯我知道你講的是這個蘭嶼居民健康檢查的這個專案的一個計畫嘛對不對就是107年11月14號到108年3月12號 |
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好那就是這麼短的時間幾個月而已而且看起來是一次性所以這個核廢料是長期儲存在蘭嶼但是呢我們政府對於這個蘭嶼居民的這個健檢卻像是一夜情過了就沒了所以 |
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剛剛部長點出一個很重要的事情就是說那個核廢料是長期儲存在蘭嶼嘛你如果住在旁邊你也會想要多健檢幾次嘛對不對 頻率想要高一點嘛所以我們政府應該對於這個蘭嶼居民的健康的這個風險的監測應該是一個持續性而不是一次性的這個狀態 |
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所以我不知道我這樣提醒部長有沒有認同我認同好謝謝那再來我就再繼續討論就是說剛才我們很感謝那個我們認養台東的莊岳雄總站委員說國民黨要求 |
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他用騙的方式把12桶的55加侖的核廢料大罐頭丟在蘭嶼但是呢 民進黨政府也不能只有甜言蜜語我原住民也說你好小白浪 |
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105年8月1號蔡英文總統特別代表政府向蘭嶼亞美族人道歉說過去的政府在他們不知情的情況下將核廢料存放在蘭嶼 |
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當然在109年6月的時候呢本席也特別陪同了我們現在的賴清德總統也是時任的副總統特別到前往蘭嶼像這個我們去關心了地方的建設文化還有這個醫療我們特別去看了這個衛生所好像時署長那時候也有去嗎也有去那時候陣容還蠻龐大的 |
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當時特別亞美族大家非常尊敬的一位棋老他們稱作是資政他向賴清德總統表示就是說希望當地的醫療要加強當地的醫療資源我們的賴清德總統也跟他講回應說我們來其實政府就是要來解決問題的 |
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所以才會有後續我們大家歷經了幾位部長還有我們相關各部門大家不斷的在討論說我們要怎麼樣來加強蘭嶼的醫療資源然後怎麼樣來蓋這個就是說來擴大這個衛生所的量能然後來蓋怎麼樣擴大要怎麼蓋這個醫療院所 |
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我有看你們的紀錄你們也是很認真在討論只不過是最近就突然慢下來了所以今天前天我還特別打電話致電給這個新上任的吳清美鄉長我說請教她說如果我們到衛福部到這個蘭嶼 |
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就特別在這個衛生所這個附近那一塊地那15塊地那邊把它蓋這個醫療院所你們反應怎麼樣有沒有諮商同意權的問題哇那鄉長突然那個語調高八度他說 |
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我們非常的期待非常的歡迎廂長資商統一權是公所要辦理的啦所以如果廂長都這麼講了這有什麼問題那現在的問題就是我要來請教你們就是說你們的這個興建計畫到底什麼時候要提出因為提出之後還要抱怨這都需要時間的因為這個整個事情已經討論了六年了所以我請教部長 |
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你今年可以提出嗎?新建計畫剛剛你有答應專委員說今年可以提出我想我們從108年看布裡面就針對這個一直在評估那中間也碰到土地轉移原來在某一塊那不行又轉移到衛生所這一塊那衛生所這一塊上面也有 |
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所以當時我們是想說土地那個的問題那土地的問題如果能夠解決我想我們應該原來的規劃我覺得你們要回去講那個土地怎麼樣我就會覺得這落入一個雞生蛋蛋生雞的那個陷阱啦其實不管怎麼樣我都覺得你們同步去準備你不報這個興建計畫你怎麼 |
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有錢去採購那個土地要怎麼去辦理所以我也我們如果先不去講那個細節啦我就問我就問說你的興建計畫你什麼時候提出嘛 |
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跟委員報告我們其實一直都是往在我們讓那個蘭嶼的醫療的量能夠增加也增加他的醫療的使用的空間因為現在看起來在這個部分裡面衛生署的功能其實已經到一個瓶頸那我們當然現在因為等於我們要抱一個貢獻計畫就是第一個要土地取得第二個就是說我們要知道說當地的需求是什麼醫師科別然後裡面還有因為他最主要地方這邊也跟我們提過說他要把衛生所 |
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還有他的長照站要合在剛剛提到的這些也都沒有問題啊現在難得有園民會啦縣政府啦公所大家都非常的配合就差你們什麼時候要提出抱怨嘛 |
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對啊 你說那麼多我們會跟地方這邊你們前面不是剛剛我剛剛有坐在下面聽啊你們答應那個莊委員說今年會送出來嘛他有講他也提醒你們說我等一下上來我會追問幾月 |
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我們趕快了解 趕快了解 針對需求我們來提問我覺得你們在大小眼啊 剛剛跟莊委員講說今年會送出嘛我就問一下幾月而已 你連今年會送出的答案你都捨不得給我是因為他比較兇嗎 還是怎麼樣 |
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我們今年底以前送出來好了今年底以前送出 那所以今年底幾月份你十月可以嗎 十月已經是年底了 |
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因為那個院還要核定嘛還需要時間因為前面已經等你們很久了我們計劃院我們趕快去了解整個醫療需求然後那個土地的狀況我們趕快再十月好不好我們抓十月份那也留兩個月給行政院去讓他們趕快我們趕看看今年能不能給他核定嘛 |
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好 我們10位來寫出計畫拜託了那所以就是說剛剛那個土地我知道你們有那個兩筆占用嘛還有一筆那個私人的我想那個費用應該也沒有很高啦而且齁我現在要講一下就我再替大家問一下就那你們那個預算編列喔傳輸規模大概是怎麼樣可以講一下嗎 |
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委員報告因為這個部分還沒有跟我們像蘭嶼或是我們台東衛生區這邊談他們的需求所以我們會加緊腳步來跟他們談那需要多少的當然我們按照一些設施標準還有當地的所以現在不能講是不是那床數能不能講你們的規劃理想中 |
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當時我們是大概有預估是20床啦你還蠻誠實的 20床我有聽說 因為我本來有聽到35這個數字後來了解說15床是洗腎用的所以你還蠻老實的那20床就很夠用了嗎這個是大概預估到比如說幾年還是我們要有遠見一點有沒有要未雨綢繆 |
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因為不只蘭嶼的居民嘛因為那個我舉個例子啦我剛才一直在講那個這個屏東就是恆春那個旅遊醫院重建醫療大樓這件事情那當時的那個蘇貞昌院長我真的很佩服他他就很霸氣的講說我們當地五萬居民但是你不能用五萬的量能去看因為他還有四百萬人次的這個 |
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遊客後來他拍板定案用600萬的規模去看600萬人次的規模去看那一樣啊這邊床數以這個你們專業但是有遠見的評估20床夠不夠 |
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你不一定要今天給我答案我也不敢講我就請你們就是說要有遠見的去規劃那即便你如果說有把握說他們都不會碰壁我會把他照顧得好好的你甚實傳我也沒有意見但是那不可能啦 |
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我們會一一需求所以我覺得這個預算的編列是一個態度的問題我們真的很羨慕很羨慕就是說有這樣的一個院長要蓋幾間便衣在他的家鄉 |
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我現在只是做立法委員 我沒有當院長 不然我就會拍板訂案說你要蘭嶼蓋醫院 我要人給人 我要錢給錢經費無上限 這都是蘇貞昌院長以前講過的話我也希望說那個部長你有這樣子的豪氣 後來可能可以做議長這樣好不好 |
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我們一定會努力來符合因為我們去思考這個經費要怎麼樣的匡列你可以這樣子想像就是說不要多我如果一桶55加侖的核廢料放在你家旁邊就好或者你家裡面你覺得政府要給你多少錢才能夠補償你你這樣去想一想 |
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對不對可能你一毛錢都不想要因為健康無價嘛所以這個有時候預算無上限也合理啦好那再來我就請教你們在這個部長的心目中就是說這樣的規劃你希望什麼時候可以動工啟用我們總要有一個目標啊不然永遠都會講說土地怎麼樣啦然後預算怎麼樣啊對不對 |
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可以規劃一下嗎?我們要有願景跟委員報告因為這個部分我們會報行政院那行政院這邊就是他們的公建計畫是有他們一定的流程所以我是說我們先不要就是說我們不要糾結在那邊啦我們要完成這件功德無量的事情 |
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你的人生理想規劃中在我們過去在蓋部立院大概都要兩年到三年啦這個部分因為等於是裡面還要有一些所謂的細部計畫那我可以從今年開始往後算三年嗎應該經費還沒有下來因為這個要報行政院行政院這邊會有那我是說你要有願景啊 |
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不然那個今年你們那個五六月大概衛福部又要報要準備明年的這個規劃那個預算的規劃嘛對不對你要有願景嘛不然你怎麼弄你們都老鳥了要用公正計劃我知道啦你不用抓個時程嗎 |
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就是你總是有計劃嘛我現在講的很簡單的事情現在我在問你的理想上我沒有說你也不是院長我不可能我明天還會問院長啦所以院長說什麼時候他說了算我現在是問你的計劃你的規劃嘛院長一定會問你啊你要講出一個答案讓他參考啊 |
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不然遙遙無期 如果說公建計畫在那邊核准大概就要三年我們在過去的醫院的經驗是這樣順利的話就是三年我想就是說很壓縮我們給自己很有壓力的我們努力 |
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來達成這個事那我們就是大概預估三年的時間那我這樣也知道我明天跟院長對話的時候我也可以很清楚知道怎麼跟他討價還價給他設定一個期程所以我想就是說我們今天大家可以了解這樣的一個願景我們一直有持續在推動那 |
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也最後就是要提醒再回頭講最前面那個健檢那個事情我覺得那個是政府的疏忽 |
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我們核廢料並沒有馬上要給人家移走還不曉得要放多久搞不好這輩子就都一直放在那邊所以給人家提供的那個健檢我覺得也不能只是一次性所以那個核廢料的健康風險我也希望說這個部分能夠納入這個醫院的功能然後要設置長期的健康監測的機制都是要有的 |
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好那另外要提醒最後要提醒就是說畢竟我們在這個醫院醫療院所啦我想醫療院所這樣比較好一點在完成之前起碼要有三年的時間那在這個完成之前這中間我們是不是可以做點什麼有什麼樣的機制可以補強這中間的的一個空白 |
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還有過去彌補這個健檢的不足所以這個部分你們是不是可以一併來快速的這個部分三年的這個配套機制可能就不是要讓你考慮很久你是不是可以在兩個月內提出來 |
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這個沒有問題我想我們今天要求大概是這樣我想蘭嶼的居民也包括我的族人我們的陽美族人也在那邊其實真的受了非常多的委屈 |
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那我今天必須要講不管是過去的政黨誰很夭壽但是今天是民進黨執政我們不能只有說好聽的話我們要有具體的行動去實現去顧到他們的這個醫療平權這個很重要的一個權利我們大家一起努力 謝謝我們會努力 謝謝 |