| IVOD_ID |
160854 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160854 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T09:54:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T10:02:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc04f5eb2d12d7efd3c4de01e9c6ce952975d77c67688655a421c9e0eb0984d72d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:54:44 - 10:02:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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主席 各位委員 有請部長還有能源署署長部長好 辛苦了今天談這個再生能源發展條例的條文修正我要談的主要是再生能源之中的低熱能 |
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那地熱能指源自地表以下蘊含於土壤岩石蒸氣或溫泉之能源那我主要是談這個溫泉跟溫泉有關的這個地熱能這個 |
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地熱電廠進駐部落原住民的部落這個相關的這些統計經濟部地熱裝置延命會的統計是全國有六成七在延鄉部落這樣的一個這麼大的比例延鄉已經出現翻天覆地的變化我們看這個台灣地圖我們看這個台灣地圖裡面 |
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地熱能目前地熱發電案的這些六成七就在我們的鹽鄉部落 |
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我們看再生能源發展條例第十四條第二項設置再生能源發電設備與原住民族土地或部落及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地者應依原住民族基本法第二十一條規定辦理這裡面談的是再生能源發電設備請問這個署長 |
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所以那個起地熱的那個位置就不算?鑽井的地方是算的,鑽井的地方跟發電的地方都是屬於發電設備的一部分現在就出現在這個研究法21條 |
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因為這個當然跟經濟部沒有關係啊當時被這個誤解了這條條文啊因為這條條文是我在第八屆的時候提出來修正的所以不包含這個私有土地是其實是錯誤的這個當然跟你們沒有關係啊好再次認為發展條例第十五條之五 |
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也規定申請地熱能探勘席可或開發席可之內容涉及這個原住民族土地或部落及其作為一定範圍內之公有土地者申請的應以申請前依研究法21條規定辦理所以這個探勘席可就包含這個就是地熱的那個位置嘛是吧包括鑽井的位置 鑽井的位置嘛 |
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所以他不是只有在他那個那個那個廠房的地方嗎是是包含所以這個部分這個要把它釐清所以你們在在處理的時候因為你們核准都是你們所以這個部分是要把它弄清楚因為基本上那個 |
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溫泉因為我講的是溫泉跟地熱因為地熱屬於溫泉知道嗎是地熱屬於溫泉所以這樣一個情形之下那個專警或是探勘 |
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很少在私有土地,都是在公有土地基本上是這樣所以這個部分在審核的時候務必要讓業者能夠了解接下來這是我們需要去努力的地方也希望朝這個方向等一下條文我也給部長還有署長看 |
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在紐西蘭台灣跟紐西蘭差不多一樣大部分地熱都是在原住民族的土地上所以這個紐西蘭一開始也是發生了很大的激烈抗爭 |
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紐西蘭政府因應這些地熱的開發所以它這個建立了一個夥伴關係信託模式股份的讓一所以紐西蘭地熱發電占比從7%攀升到20%所以它有這樣的一個怎麼樣讓一個地熱開發能夠有效然後不要影響到我們 |
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原住民族的部落那當然就是要諮商同意那相關的這些開發的這些利益怎麼樣回饋給部落所以這個部分這個是我們要努力的地方然後怎麼樣去因應去修法這個都是有它的必要性好也有可以是不是可以直接試用我接下來看 |
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过去我在中央人民会服务的时候去协调同样是经济部的单位的水利署当时来我来看温泉法第三条温泉最后一句话温泉的定义包括地热蒸汽地热然后现在就是这个第八款温泉使用事业指温泉起工事业温泉起工事业第七款 |
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二字指 |
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溫泉啟工事業是以啟得溫泉水錢或礦業錢提供自己或他人使用的事業溫泉使用事業指溫泉啟工事業獲得溫泉作為地熱利用啊作為地熱利用啊因為這個法不是農研署的法啊所以你們沒有接觸過啊所以我現在把這個這樣的一個啊法律讓這個署長那個了解讓部長那個了解啊 |
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好 接下來溫泉法第十一條當初我協調後來在立法院也三讀通過的條文啊這裡面就提到這個像溫泉企工失業收起的這個溫泉使用費啊由那個經濟部訂然後呢 第二項溫泉使用費 |
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除支付管理費用外因專攻溫泉資源保育所以要把這些溫泉啟用費要提撥到原住民族綜合發展基金作為原住民族發展經濟及文化產業之用所以這個部分怎麼樣在還沒有再生能源發展條例還沒有修之前 |
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是不是可以用這個條文因為現在正在開發現在開始了所以這個部分署長你跟這個跟那個水利署因為我公務員出身就是跟水利署是謝謝委員這個我想我們研究一下然後再請教這個委員你過去的經驗大家來努力朝這個方向來做好謝謝謝謝委員好 |