| IVOD_ID |
160846 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160846 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T09:08:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T09:16:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc08ab0000333bff3c44de01e9c6ce9529705daebae4db85f9121d513256421d2e45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:08:21 - 09:16:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們請部長還有能源署署長陳部長署長 |
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委員長部長好我想在4月18號其實我們辦公室就已經轉了我們的大地莊園麻豆大地莊園他們的陳情書給了我們能源署也就是說他們的立場很簡單誰都知道 |
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光電很重要但是要取之有道也就是說我們一直要求光電業者你必須要溝通協調我們將心比心如果說你住了20年的環境 |
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突然之間這個環境是過去台南縣政府蘇萬智縣長一直強調他要去做一個南台灣第一個綠建築的村莊園這邊住了非常多的人是一個集中型的住宅 |
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結果呢在20年後你跟他說突然之間他可能一覺醒來周邊全部都變成光電板雖然是屋頂型的光電板他還是光電板而且是必須他在室內養殖有一個實質的建物之後在上面蓋光電板 |
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所以等於他周邊全部都是水泥建物然後上面加光電板將心比心他們完全被蒙在鼓裡都不知道當他們看到一棟一棟的室內養殖 |
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如雨後春筍慢慢的出現的時候他們才發現知識體大原來他不是只有要做室內養殖他要做的是屋頂型的光電板難怪整個炸鍋整個炸鍋他們求助無門最後拿了這一個陳情書來給我他們陸續還在簽署 |
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我一直都跟我們經濟部還有能源署說我們為什麼不要開大門走大路也就是說今天我們一直強調你要跟地方溝通每一次我們的廠商都是先展後奏然後到了廠商已經看到拿到了相關的執照之後 |
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讓地方的民眾產生了反彈你要去溝通 請問你要怎麼溝通為什麼每一次在台南都發生這樣的事件然後每一次都是讓人民很多的失望部長這個部分其實他很單純但是單純到讓地方政府跟中央在踢皮球 為什麼 |
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因為地方政府他現在切開因為養殖 室內養殖是拿地方政府的農取然後呢當有農取之後可以蓋了 蓋了室內養殖之後他可以跟我們能源署來申請屋頂型光電板他是不用環評的 |
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所以他就是用這樣的以法玩法的方式然後把這樣的做法造成地方的反彈那現在問題到你們這裡了光電板 屋頂型光電板他一定要跟我們能源署來申請工作許可證好 那我們怎麼辦我們怎麼處理 |
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報告委員我想您的這個部分的槌尋我想我們可以了解一個關鍵也就是說我們在事前沒有跟這個地方的居民有做一個比較好的溝通所以在進行這件事情的時候當然造成居民的不解造成反對 |
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那這個部分我想這個案子來講我們中央的態度還是一樣就是說任何的公共的措施任何的辦法在推動的時候我們還是要尋求到當地居民的支持我想這個政府的政策如果沒有國人的支持政府施政大概意義就不大 |
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所以我想這一部分我們會再多多溝通等到那個居民同意那我們才會可能再來考慮放行這個是我們的做法 |
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那剛才您在說的這個法的部分我想這個也是這個各位大院裡面的這些委員大家來協助對我們這個比較這個方法上面發現有一些比較這個有疏漏的地方的話我想我們這個都可以討論來做修正原則上我們的這個所有的這個綠能政策我們都希望能夠獲得國人的支持 |
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那當地的居民如果他們有反對我們也不會強硬的來通過這樣的一個做法部長真的要拜託我們一定要跟所有的光電業者說我們如果可以開大門走大路事前讓所有的居民知道到底你要做什麼事前溝通絕對會比反彈之後的溝通 |
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更好來做處理可是你現在大家都反彈了已經對你廠商沒有信任感所以真的這個你們要把關注而且將心比心如果你周邊你住的環境全部都被光電板全部都圍起來了 |
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你的心你會安嗎是 我想我們大家的想法都會一致啦齁這個部分我們會來這個檢討來改善再拜託部長然後我認為其實有很多我們農業部有劃設出來 |
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離我們居民比較遠的地方像有些是根本餘溫養殖已經沒有辦法去做處理的還有就是貧瘠地沒辦法建造沒辦法允許沒辦法建造這個部分為什麼我們都不去做這些的一個規劃這些都離人民很遠反而他們都要往人民 |
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去擠 去壓 這不是很奇怪嗎是是 報告委員我們現在已經朝這個方向在努力了我們將來會公告哪一些地方是適合光電業者去開發的我們會先公告我們甚至鼓勵他也沒有問題啊 是是不是因為我知道在平擠地他可能距離會比較遠他要做的匱限或所有的設施會比較花重本 |
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所以我覺得我們不能說因為這樣子然後讓光電業者為了要獲利然後往我們民眾然後人民的一個居住範圍去壓這是不對的我們這個一定會以國人的福祉為第一優先不會以業者的福祉為第一優先 |
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所以部長拜託這個案子請你們要把關好請我們能源署一定要把關好你們的把關才會讓光電業者會有壓力啊這個部分再拜託在還沒有人民民眾同意之前你絕對不能核發工作許可證這個是很重要的拜託謝謝 |