| IVOD_ID |
160817 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160817 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-30T11:57:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-30T12:08:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b6da7da99b942369acd83dc8460bbc1d385a4fd0f0fffa4998ab4b80bc74e67d905b1f1929327f535ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:37 - 12:08:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部民用航空局局長何淑萍、交通部鐵道局局長楊正君、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司代理董事長伍勝園、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長鄭光遠、中華航空股份有限公司董事長高星潢及國家運輸安全調查委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「近期我國航空、鐵路運營安全事件之檢討與改善及臺鐵票價調整方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請交通部陳部長交通部陳部長鐵道局楊局長還有台鐵公司吳代理董事長 |
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部長 午安我剛剛其實今天要問的剛剛在臨時提案因為主席英明先處理這個臨時提案所以我的想法其實我剛剛已經先講了一個簡要版那我想細節的部分來就教部長跟鐵路跟鐵道局這個六月這個鐵道鐵路海線的鐵路是不是要改點 |
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對 6月改點6月20幾 23嘛 是嗎6月26那現在改點前這個西部就海線這個北上跟南下一天各有幾個班次海線 北上南下 麻煩提供一下平日89 假日91班對 如果經過我們台中的 |
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北上是不是十一班南下是不是九班你就知道我要問這個 沒關係 自己說好我剛剛在臨時提案我已經講 等一下我再問這個陳追憲是沒錯 就是從大甲到台中我的意思很簡單 你們對這個資訊我剛剛已經提我已經非常重視這個題目 |
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改班改班6月23日之後會不會減少不會不會減少時間有沒有不一樣 |
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目前在海線的部分也沒有調整 也沒有調整唯一調整的就是因為你志強號要修理所以改成900型的那個區間塊的方式換車型啦 班次時間都沒有調整我這樣理解對嗎 對 好部長我想喔過去你在海線當議員過去我們也一起努力讓海線的班次現在 |
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如果我的資訊沒有錯啦北上11班南下9班這個比起20年前它的確增加了我記得我剛當立委的時候應該好像只有3班5班左右而已啦 |
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所以我們過去這些年來努力爭取足批增加但我們都很清楚它的長線要解決海線班次過少因為你看譬如說我的資料上面海線一天11班三線有33班北上所以就三倍啦這個極為不合理啦極為不合理所以那我們有知道原因是因為海線的雙軌 |
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過去遲遲都沒有做沒有決定但現在經過我過去這些人的努力我們現在定案而且已經進入了這個時程裡面了所以就等待早日可以動工完工的那一天但我還是覺得 |
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海線的鐵路一定要去實場的要去動態的檢討就是能夠播出時段是因為它太多單軌所以我們要灰車要燒單車所以才會搬赤子只有那麼少那所以我希望鐵道局能夠認真的去檢討請台鐵公司認真一起檢討到底我們可不可以再擠出那個量出來 |
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想辦法再擠出這個量第二個在時間點的選擇上面我們也都知道或許他可能在特定的時間譬如說早上上下早上或者傍晚上下班可能對你們有這個大數據可以去做一些規劃跟了解把它優化這個就是我做這個臨時提案我要的這個強調因為這個客數其實每一年都存在我每一年都要解釋說 |
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海線要解決根本問題就是要雙軌這個也應該早就應該要做了所以部長我希望在這個任內我們分長線我們把雙軌可以讓它如期的完成短線我希望我們鐵路單位能夠不定期的動態的去檢討只要能夠加入班次或者整個行程表可以優化我們都努力來做這個這個就是那個報告的重點 可以嗎 |
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我所知道委員也不斷在推動這件事情那台鐵很像最近有開過兩次會議針對這件事情已經在做檢討我們就希望說讓他最優化因為我們目前鐵軌就是只有單軌第一要最優化符合民眾真正需求的時間點第二就是要最大化提供的量能要最大化這個部分目前已經開過兩次的會議那我們還在檢討 |
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那所以就是那個報告就是以最大化和最優化的角度回復給本席怎麼樣可以再把這兩個目標把它做好好不好第二個部分啊這個台鐵公司啊這個剛剛徐副委員問到喔這個每一年統計啊公司化之後看起來那個數字也沒有減少啦行車的事故啊等等那我看過站不停啊 |
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光前面這幾個月就有七次過站不停對不對包括我們清水站也一次過站不停這個我就不時間有限啦過站不停這個我上次在高鐵的時候我就已經念過一次了這個很離譜那你們高鐵台鐵過站不停有沒有賠償旅客 |
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為什麼可以過站不停沒有賠償旅客就在我們的旅客運輸的相關規定裡面是如果造成旅客延誤30分鐘以上我們會這個45分鐘會給旅客做一個賠償 |
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那所以過站不停是算多久 算延誤多久因為它不停所以不算延誤過站不停也有處理的時間啦 就看你是超過的是車廂數是多少因為我們要照SOP來做一個對對對 那我的意思是這樣啦 這個就是我要求齁那個高鐵公司過站不停 雖然那個補償我也不滿意啦 |
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但是至少人家還知道說要立刻票價怎麼算然後立刻再送上小禮物表達他們的誠意雖然我是覺得這個應該照理說過站不停應該退錢給人家才對那我意思是說台鐵如果你們有SOP你們應該要處理這個SOP就是你們要去檢討這個SOP過站不停你把它想像一個人要去上課要去上班 |
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火車不是很多喔 它不是像坐捷運說這一站不停不然我五分鐘或十分鐘後又來一班嘛過站不停可能我下一班要等一個小時啊要等三十分鐘以上啊啊你給我過站不停我就來不及了嘛我可能要改搭計程車我才敢上班嘛啊這個可以因為這樣就完全台鐵當成沒有當那一回事 |
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過去就過去啦報告委員您所提的這個我認為非常合理啦所以我要求台鐵現在立刻針對這個SOP馬上做檢討對應該要檢討啦如果過站不停對旅客的這個賠償或者是補償這個應該是要做的對他不是要你他重點不是賠償跟補償啦但是那個是對台鐵公司你們內部的要求啦你們如果事故再不下降我就要做臨時提案以後出現這種都賠十倍 |
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我就來做臨時提案要求台鐵要賠十倍就是你們要有機制來檢討就是那個SOP到底出了什麼問題你看高鐵只出現過一次高鐵已經上上下下雞飛狗跳了台鐵好像 |
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不搞個大概三五百次好像大家也覺得還好啦幾次而已所以這個同樣在交通部下面我們不應該對兩個我們當然知道不能完全等同啦但是不可以面對事情的態度是這個樣子那就大家會不施掌勁啦反正也不會有事 |
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啊就過就過啊 不是要怎麼樣啊就沒停就沒停啊 不是要怎麼樣這種態度我覺得很重要啊這個態度對了我們就可以開始內部的那個管理啊才會那個螺絲才會鬆的緊一點啊這樣好不好好那因為時間的關係最後我只講一個就是台中機場的那個混亂的問題是我早上已經講過了那那個董事長可不可以這個檢討可以什麼時候有一個有一個答案 |
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有關因為他分兩個部分如果是屬於機場的部分我們現在主任在開會我們會盡速來處理包含航班太密集的等等我們看看怎麼樣來在時間帶上面再做調整那可是涉及這個檢疫單位或者是關稅的部分我們可能需要一點時間因為畢竟他也是在執行國家的一個防疫的政策有幾個原則一定要把握第一個 |
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這個班次不能因為我們內部機場航廈整個運作跟管理的問題導致這個航班給我取消掉這個航班不能減少這第一個不能減少第二個你要設想未來我們還在增加 |
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對嘛 你知道嘛 我動不 只要這個民航局我只有一個問題嘛就是台中機場的事情所以未來還是會增加那還是會增加我們要事先去預防它分散的問題不要集中那這是民航局可以做的那航廈或者其他的空間的規劃動線的設施這個都民航局要去解決啦 |
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就是要增採X光設備能不能增買那個空間擺得下擺不下那長期要怎麼來做這個都要趕快現在未雨綢繆先來做那至於要涉及其他單位的部分我也要特別拜託部長趕快把各單位找來怎麼請各單位來協助大家一起把這個問題解決啦這樣好不好 就是說讓他會 |
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會擁擠這很正常 桃園也會擁擠嘛你到日本的機場那更可能要排隊有時候排更久但是那個動線清楚然後不要產生那種混亂到不可那種大家會覺得有抱怨的情形那我講過了台中就算 |
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現在有一點擁擠對中部人而言還是比去台北做來得更省時所以這個要麻煩部長盡量要把它做到比較規矩一點我們跨部會的溝通也同時會來提供 |